Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
On Dec 21, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Other than that, snip, I don't use Windows for anything. +1 Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:36:02 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:58:55 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: 99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process again. Sounds like you are running into this issue: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/ Yes, that sounds like the problem. From that article, I inferred that if I just left the Windows Update running, it would eventually complete the O(2^n) process. After my Garmin maps update completed, I restarted Windows Update and left it. This morning I returned to my laptop to find that Windows Update had indeed completed and said I had 41 updates. I told Windows Update to go ahead and it is now in the process of downloading and installing. With the new n being 41 greater than the old n, I can just imagine how long it will take next time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
I did most of what you're talking about on an old Dell laptop I had, and after the 41 ( or so ) updates, the machine booted once and crashed. That was the end of that. I went back in 'history' to a functional point and made that my starting point, ignoring the updates that it had just installed. It ran, and runs fine, to this day. I add this snipped of worthless data because if you set a new 'reference' point to return to before you install all that stuff ( after downloading it ) you can return to your present state of bliss after it crashes (c: .. On Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:15 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:36:02 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:58:55 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: 99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process again. Sounds like you are running into this issue: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/ Yes, that sounds like the problem. From that article, I inferred that if I just left the Windows Update running, it would eventually complete the O(2^n) process. After my Garmin maps update completed, I restarted Windows Update and left it. This morning I returned to my laptop to find that Windows Update had indeed completed and said I had 41 updates. I told Windows Update to go ahead and it is now in the process of downloading and installing. With the new n being 41 greater than the old n, I can just imagine how long it will take next time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:58:55 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like you are running into this issue: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/ In reading the comments to that article and then maybe another article and its comments, I ran into the comment http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1176387-xp-windows-automatic-updates-svchostexe-100-cpu-ms-did-something/page-12#entry596161741 which mentions https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=41404 which is Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for Windows XP (KB2898785) that's supposed to solve the problem directly. After waiting forever for Windows Update to determine what I needed and then installing the 41 updates, I note that I do have KB2898785 installed. Craig P.S. When is Update Tuesday? Is it every Tuesday or a particular Tuesday of every month. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:38:20 -0800 (PST) Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I add this snipped of worthless data because if you set a new 'reference' point to return to before you install all that stuff ( after downloading it ) you can return to your present state of bliss after it crashes (c: .. I had not thought of that, but, fortunately, my laptop reboots in Windows just fine. It also boots just fine into CentOS 5.10 Linux, too! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
Patch Tuesday is the second Tuesday of every month and is when Microsoft releases security updates. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: P.S. When is Update Tuesday? Is it every Tuesday or a particular Tuesday of every month. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:20:44 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Patch Tuesday is the second Tuesday of every month and is when Microsoft releases security updates. Thanks, Dan. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
After booting my laptop (a Dell Inspiron 600m) into Linux and updating the software there, I booted it into Windows and went to update the OS. It started IE8 and brought up the update page. I clicked on Custom and it displayed Checking for the latest updates for your computer... After a while with no results, I tried to close IE8, but that didn't work. I had to bring up the Task Manager to close it. I noticed the CPU usage was at 100%. I rebooted and saw that the CPU usage was less. I again tried Windows Update and again got CPU usage at 100%. I noticed that svchost.exe taking 99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process again. It was automatically restarted and kept to 10% CPU usage, most often 0%. iexplore.exe takes 10 - 15% of the CPU. I left the laptop with Windows Update showing Checking for the latest updates for your computer... and the green squares marching across the progress bar for over an hour. Nothing else happened. I do recall a few years ago Windows Update doing the same thing, but I don't recall why. Is it because MS's server is busy? Thanks, Craig P.S. I use Windows on my laptop to update the maps in our Garmin nüvi. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
Windows XP support ends 4/8/2014. [1]http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx I believe organizations for whom XP is mission critical can buy extended support but it'll be expensive. I think they still support Windows NT for the DoD for example. I'd advise switching to Chrome or Firefox as a browser. IE8 is pretty bad by modern standards, and that's the latest IE available for XP. Allan On Sat, Dec 21, 2013, at 03:28 PM, Craig wrote: After booting my laptop (a Dell Inspiron 600m) into Linux and updating the software there, I booted it into Windows and went to update the OS. It started IE8 and brought up the update page. I clicked on Custom and it displayed Checking for the latest updates for your computer... After a while with no results, I tried to close IE8, but that didn't work. I had to bring up the Task Manager to close it. I noticed the CPU usage was at 100%. I rebooted and saw that the CPU usage was less. I again tried Windows Update and again got CPU usage at 100%. I noticed that svchost.exe taking 99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process again. It was automatically restarted and kept to 10% CPU usage, most often 0%. iexplore.exe takes 10 - 15% of the CPU. I left the laptop with Windows Update showing Checking for the latest updates for your computer... and the green squares marching across the progress bar for over an hour. Nothing else happened. I do recall a few years ago Windows Update doing the same thing, but I don't recall why. Is it because MS's server is busy? Thanks, Craig P.S. I use Windows on my laptop to update the maps in our Garmin nüvi. ___ [2]http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives [3]http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: [4]http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com References 1. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx 2. http://www.okiebenz.com/ 3. http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ 4. http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP? qa9uqavy
Craig wrote: After booting my laptop (a Dell Inspiron 600m) into Linux and updating the software there, I booted it into Windows and went to update the OS. It started IE8 and brought up the update page. I clicked on P.S. I use Windows on my laptop to update the maps in our Garmin nüvi. If that's all, I'd suggest a virual machine. I use VirtualBox because it's easier to maintain in Debian than VMWare and I had trouble with .net in qemu. I haven't tried any of the other virtualizers. I find I _much_ prefer a guest OS over dual-boot. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:52:16 -0500 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Windows XP support ends 4/8/2014. [1]http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx I'd advise switching to Chrome or Firefox as a browser. IE8 is pretty bad by modern standards, and that's the latest IE available for XP. I only use IE8 for Windows Update. I use Firefox for connecting to hotel/whatever wireless access points if that's all they will work with. Other than that, and updating the maps on our Garmin nüvi, I don't use Windows for anything. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP? qa9uqavy
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:56:56 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: P.S. I use Windows on my laptop to update the maps in our Garmin nüvi. If that's all, I'd suggest a virual machine. I use VirtualBox because it's easier to maintain in Debian than VMWare and I had trouble with .net in qemu. I haven't tried any of the other virtualizers. I find I _much_ prefer a guest OS over dual-boot. I update our Garmin when I'm at home and have direct access to our home Linux-based desktop, so it's not much hassle to reboot into Windows. That said, I did update our Garmin when I was in the hotel in Phoenix after my neck surgery. I started the process when we went to bed and let it run overnight. That was after going shopping at a Radio Shack store in a mall to get a 4 GB SD memory card to plug into our nüvi because Garmin had increased the size of the OS and maps to where it would not fit in the nüvi's internal memory. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: After booting my laptop (a Dell Inspiron 600m) into Linux and updating the software there, I booted it into Windows and went to update the OS. ... I noticed that svchost.exe taking 99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process again. Sounds like you are running into this issue: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/ Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Microsoft still updating Windows XP?
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:58:55 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: 99% of the CPU. I then used Task Manager to end the svchost.exe process and saw the CPU usage drop, eventhough svchost.exe was automatically restarted. I restarted Windows Update, which started IE. I saw svchost.exe again taking 99% of CPU and ended its process again. Sounds like you are running into this issue: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/exponential-algorithm-making-windows-xp-miserable-could-be-fixed/ Yes, that sounds like the problem. I looked up svchost.exe on the web and found a few articles that addressed the problem. One provided a fix consisting of downloading three files and installing them. Some of the comments after that article said the fix caused more problems, some serious. So, I didn't implement that fix. Another suggested downloading a Process Explorer, which I did, but which didn't help too much. Since the whole point of booting into Windows today was to update my Garmin's maps, I just used the Task Manager to kill the offending svchost.exe process and then did NOT try Windows Update (which automatically starts the one, apparently with a memory leak, which causes all the problems). Once that was accomplished, I started the Garmin Express application and proceeded to update my nüvi. With our DSL connection that tops out at 1.4 megabits/s, the download will take three hours (it says it has two hours to go). I can't imagine trying to do it over a 56 kbps dial-up connection. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
