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2016-06-16 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curley wrote: > No, no you, your namesake, mao tse dung That commie is not my namesake. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2016-06-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
5 years or so if I've kept my nose clean the step up to CC is pretty much assured. -Curt From: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [

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2016-06-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curley wrote: > ...same way mao protected everyone... Not me. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2016-06-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
OK Don wrote: > Screw the permits, carry if you're scared, don't if you're not. +1 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2016-06-15 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Yes, there are still surviving copies of the laws imposing a fine for not carrying your weapon(s). On some PBS show the other night, men had the choice of a long gun or two pistols. Fine was six pence I think. I carried a pistol and ammo (two full magazines) for a year in a hot sandy place,

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2016-06-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On June 14, 2016 at 1:06 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:As a matter of fact, the NRA supported the current background check system, much to the dismay of many members.And now they're joining Trump in promoting 'no guns for people on secret government lists', or at

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2016-06-15 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Do you really think the colonists carried a gun with them all the time? Crazy. On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I will take the same route the colonists took. Carry it to church > OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and

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2016-06-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
All Libs believe the popos wil protect them. They will! Just like they protected all 300 in the Pulse. 100 down, 200 rounds in 4 hours. Saame way lenin protected everyone, same way stalin protected everyone, same way mao protected everyone, same way pol pot protected everyone, same way

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2016-06-15 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
The whole logic doesn't make sense to me - if it's concealed, then no one knows you have it, why get a permit to hide something? If you pull it out to use it, it's no longer concealed, it's out in the open. Does a concealed permit allow you to un-conceal it? Huh??? Screw the permits, carry if

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
... Like car insurance, you don't go looking for car insurance after something happens. -Curt       From: Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com>  To: 'Curt Raymond' <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com>  Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:44 PM  Subj

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2016-06-15 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Oh how the mighty have fallen. Not only that, but many (most?) of the old-line gun companies were in New England until recently. After the Newtown knee-jerk, many of these companies built new plants in more gun-friendly states and are incrementally moving their operations south and west.

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2016-06-15 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
ing for car insurance after something > happens. > -Curt > > From: Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com> > To: 'Curt Raymond' <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; 'Mercedes Discussion List' < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:44 PM > Subject:

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2016-06-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
d...@yahoo.com>; 'Mercedes Discussion List' < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:44 PM > Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: Next question > > Two points: > > It's generally illegal to use lethal force against someone until he/she is > actually in the process of

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
che...@nc.rr.com> To: 'Curt Raymond' <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: Next question Two points:  It's generally illegal to use lethal force against someone until h

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2016-06-15 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Two points: It's generally illegal to use lethal force against someone until he/she is actually in the process of trying to kill (or do grievous bodily harm to) you or someone you protect. Open vs concealed carry, in public, is an ongoing discussion; but open carry gives up the element of

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Next one probably will be too, even if its a woman... -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Mountain Man <maontin@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ]

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2016-06-15 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curley wrote: > It is safe to assume everything BO sez is a lie. The previous men in that position were also giant liars, don't forget. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
for dating his daughter or something. -Curt From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question It is interestin

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
15, 2016 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Hmm, reminds me of the lady killed by her estranged husband; she made repeated requests to local authorities for a CC permit, had a no-contact order approved by court but local police steadfastly refused to grant a CC permit.  One day she g

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2016-06-15 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
It is interesting and ironic that Massachusetts, where the shot heard 'round the world was fired by militia men, now has stringent Second Amendment restrictions, the Second Amendment being enacted exactly for the reason the Massachusetts militia men were able to eject his kingliness. What

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2016-06-15 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Hmm, reminds me of the lady killed by her estranged husband; she made repeated requests to local authorities for a CC permit, had a no-contact order approved by court but local police steadfastly refused to grant a CC permit. One day she gets out of her car after getting home and hubby (waiting

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Some of them were made by reminton under contract for the rookiesbefore 1910.  I'd expect those to be nice if

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
or so if I've kept my nose clean the step up to CC is pretty much assured. -Curt From: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:17 AM Subject:

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2016-06-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
cord if need be. -Curt From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'<mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Scott Ritchey<ritche...@nc.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Here's the problem. Sup

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2016-06-15 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
FID? - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If the wind blows right I can hear the local rod and gun club from my > house. > Which reminds me I need to get to work on my FID. I've never had guns in > MA,

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2016-06-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
ain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Good info. I have never actually seen the insides of an M1. After he kicked the bucket, I found out my very quiet neighbor was known far and wide for refinishing and repairing the M1 wood. O

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
September to the new year. -Curt From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question My neighbors have a second amendmentfest

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2016-06-15 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
My neighbors have a second amendmentfest about every Sunday afternoon, sometimes with full autos and a cannon. --JC On 6/15/16 10:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Depends on where you live. I can go out back and pound some pellets into my old toolbox backstop (thwack, thwack) for an

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2016-06-15 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
This guy was a disciple of a known bad guy who was a body guard for the "Blind Sheik" who organized the first Trade Center bombing, and who now has a "mosque" in Whorlando where he preaches a unique brand of peace and tolerance, sorta consistent with what the shooter's daddy was into, i.e.,

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question All good and salient points!  Right now, if we don't take care of the do

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
c.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Here's the problem.  Suppose you "fail" the background check.  It's like the no-fly list.  Like all such government databases, it's full of errors (both ways) and the appeal process is nea

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
ie...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Good info.  I have never actually seen the insides of an M1.  After he kicked the bucket, I found out my very quiet neighbor was known far and wide for refinishing and repairing the M1 wood.  Onl

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2016-06-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
until ejected. -Curt From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Not to argue

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2016-06-14 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Good point.. that is called "Al Taqqyia" [tak` ie a] which means.. the lie blessed by allah.. which is any lie you need to tell to further the cause of islam.. So.. perhaps.. Certainly he did not act alone.. behind the shooter was an entire support network that convinced him to "die for islam" ,

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2016-06-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
military does use that nomenclature. Out here in the sticks, I always heard the M1 type as a "stripper clip" while the replaceable magazine was called a clip. It's not. The M1 Garand uses a clip to hold the 8 rounds together which are inserted into the empty magazine en masse. (You can also

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2016-06-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
urt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Well Curt, perhaps the NRA is trying to follow that part of the second amendment that says "shall not be infringed&

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2016-06-14 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Here's the problem. Suppose you "fail" the background check. It's like the no-fly list. Like all such government databases, it's full of errors (both ways) and the appeal process is nearly prohibitive. If the IRS discriminated against organizations they don't like, don't you think the ATF (you

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2016-06-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
What about if that is what he was ordered to do in order to execute his mission?There is some deal that lying to an infidel is not a lie. So maybe going to a bar and acting like a queer is ok if it part of the plan? All I know is that you can't trust anything they say. It is safe to

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2016-06-14 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
; > >> Perhaps the NRA could negotiate for a license reciprocity system across >> the >> US. Just as security clearances are only checked once every 5 years, a >> person would go through a background check (for free, of course, since we >> shouldn't have to pay to ex

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2016-06-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Good info. I have never actually seen the insides of an M1. After he kicked the bucket, I found out my very quiet neighbor was known far and wide for refinishing and repairing the M1 wood. Only once did he ever talk much, and that was not long before he kicked off. He was only in his 50s.

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2016-06-14 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
The M-1 rifle had an unusual arrangement. The en-bloc clip (which held 8 cartridges) was actually inserted into the top of the rifle. An internal magazine fed cartridges into the chamber while the clip remained in the rifle. The clip ejected from the bottom of the rifle after the last round

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2016-06-14 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
y, June 14, 2016 12:43 PM > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question > > When HollyWierd did that Clancy novel, didn't they morph the evil mooslims > into NeoNaz

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2016-06-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
en banned for years. Did you perhaps mean "Scary black guns" instead? -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>; Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gm

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2016-06-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
lf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question This has confused and befuddled me for some time. For the life of me I don't understand why the NRA doesn't come to the table. They might get s

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2016-06-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
"Do not attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by stupidity". Hanlon's razor. I wish people in general, and new people is specific, would not talk about things they have no knowledge of (written by someone who just confused clips with magazines). I had to cringe several times

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2016-06-14 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
How many ex-wives are there? Just heard on Flush that one of the ex-wives was with him when he purchased the ammo for the attack. Seems rather foolish to me to alert media about a pending arrest, name the suspect, and give them some time to either (a) leave or (b) conduct their own attack or (c)

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2016-06-14 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question I heard on the news this morning (not NPR) that authorities were looking to arrest a second individual. Anyone know about this? O

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2016-06-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
You are correct - On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The correct term is magazine. A clip only holds cartridges, normally > outside the gun, until they are loaded in a magazine. A magazine may be > integral to a gun (like the M-1) or

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2016-06-14 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
med. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question I heard on the news this mornin

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2016-06-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
es@okiebenz.com> Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question The state of WA has implemented a universal check law. If I want to sell or gift to a hunting buddy I've known for 50 years I need to go to

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2016-06-14 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley via Mercedes Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 6:19 PM To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Mitch Haley Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question On June 13, 2016 at 1:55 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.

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2016-06-14 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
: [MBZ] OT: Next question I am wondering just how long it will take Howllywood to come out with a Movie of the Week based on this event. Are the dead Gay folk the heroes, or does that fall on the cops? Will the bad guy have horns and be full Mslim, or do they go with slightly creepy nerd

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2016-06-14 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question And your point is... ?? On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When seconds count, the police are only min

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2016-06-14 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--Jim wrote: > When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. > (In this case, apparently about 240 of them.) Minutes? The account I heard is they were there from 2am to 5am before they came in hot. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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2016-06-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
And your point is... ?? On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. > (In this case, apparently about 240 of them.) > > -- Jim > > > > ___ >

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2016-06-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. (In this case, apparently about 240 of them.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2016-06-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I heard on the news this morning (not NPR) that authorities were looking to arrest a second individual. Anyone know about this? On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > --RR wrote: > > Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had

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2016-06-14 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--RR wrote: > Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at the > bar several times over the last 3 years. I had wondered this when I heard > it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this way. Father > (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife,

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2016-06-14 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at the bar several times over the last 3 years. I had wondered this when I heard it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this way. Father (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom he beat,

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2016-06-14 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
> On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > That is the real issue - are you willing to > > risk your self and your family to keep your rights? > And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida. > If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you >

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2016-06-14 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Clips are what little girls and women use to hold their hair out of their eyes so they can see to shoot.. Magazines are what guns use to hold bullets.. ;))) The Navy invented sex... the Marines introduced it to women... Uh Rahhh

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2016-06-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
The correct term is magazine. A clip only holds cartridges, normally outside the gun, until they are loaded in a magazine. A magazine may be integral to a gun (like the M-1) or removable (like the M-14 or M-16) and preloaded before being inserted into the gun. > -Original Message- >

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2016-06-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
For those that don't know, the media invented the term assault weapon; that term has no actual meaning. On the other hand, an assault rifle is an automatic rifle (machine gun) that fires a reduced power cartridge. For all practical purposes, machine guns are illegal in the US and have been for a

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2016-06-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>From what I can see, there are very few Americans, currently, who feel a duty >to defend their country. There are, however, certain people that run toward >the sound of gunfire; they are called Marines. > -Original Message- > From: Of G Mann via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016

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2016-06-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
t; To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question > > Like George Carlin I do this thing called "Thinking for myself" which is a > radical idea for most of the world. > This

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2016-06-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Disarming the victims is not the answer. Anyone who believes laws can disarm the criminals and terrorists (especially laws that are not enforced) must be a product of our alleged education system. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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2016-06-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
13, 2016 6:49 PM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question > > > > I'm trained and current.. aren't you? > > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-

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2016-06-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 6:49 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question > > I'm trained and current.. aren't you? > > > <https://www.ava

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2016-06-13 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
I just had a couple of Citra Ass Down beers this evening. They were very good. To answer the question, it is the postal service, so anything useful is illegal in theory, but in practice who will know. --JC On 6/13/16 9:23 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On June 13, 2016 at 2:26 PM

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2016-06-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On June 13, 2016 at 6:54 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:But, if you were one of the first officers on the scene, would you have been willing to charge inside to see what was happening?Sounds suicidal.But...but...THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR US EVERY DAY!(or so

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2016-06-13 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
I like the comment that NRA is killing itself. GOP is killing itself, likewise. So is right-to-life. The arguments made for years have are not effective. Situation remains the same. Try a different argument? Nothing really happens. We are what we are until the day that we die. mao

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2016-06-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On June 13, 2016 at 3:50 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:I normally try to keep out of these threads as I am not in the USA and it does not apply to me but . . .Now that is a frightening scenario.If that were applied, then everyone would be entitled to firearms, no

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2016-06-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On June 13, 2016 at 2:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:Without me, what would you all talk about? Someone owes me a b**r.Is it legal (and physically feasible) to mail a bottle?Liberty Brewing's American IPA perhaps?Or maybe some Steamy Windows?Mitch.

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2016-06-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On June 13, 2016 at 1:55 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:So are you complete de-regulation?I'm not a big fan of regulation but I think there are some people who clearly shouldn't have guns. The shooter in Orlando for instance. If the laws currently on the books for

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2016-06-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Yes, we were not there. The police will only tell us so much and the press is unreliable so we will never truly know how it all occurred. RB On 13/06/2016 6:01 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Only in the movies does the "hero" charge in alone.. Good cop procedure is squad procedure, where

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2016-06-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Only in the movies does the "hero" charge in alone.. Good cop procedure is squad procedure, where overwhelming force is applied to control the situation.. If you were to observe SWAT training, you would see this repeated at each session.. There were cell phone calls made by people inside.. thus,

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2016-06-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
But, if you were one of the first officers on the scene, would you have been willing to charge inside to see what was happening? Sounds suicidal. RB On 13/06/2016 5:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Rule in the military.. Once the first shot is fired, all battle plans go to hell Police

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2016-06-13 Thread clay via Mercedes
I am wondering just how long it will take Howllywood to come out with a Movie of the Week based on this event. Are the dead Gay folk the heroes, or does that fall on the cops? Will the bad guy have horns and be full Mslim, or do they go with slightly creepy nerd? clay 2002 s430 -

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2016-06-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I'm trained and current.. aren't you? Virus-free

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2016-06-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Rule in the military.. Once the first shot is fired, all battle plans go to hell Police train routinely to take down known shooter situations. Government funds, both state and federal are allocated to that training, since 911, and Homeland Security.. 4 hours to bleed to death is a very long

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2016-06-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 13/06/2016 4:32 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Interesting thing about the Swiss and firearms.. There is a weapon in each household of military grade capable of full automatic fire, and it is also equipped with a proscribed issue of ammunition. What is not brought out however, is that every

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2016-06-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: That is the real issue - are you willing to risk your self and your family to keep your rights? And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida. If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you have wanted to

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2016-06-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
street, simply chipping away rights without any benefit to the firearms owners. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re

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2016-06-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
ynn MA. Diesel preferred. From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 13 June 2016 20:09 To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel; Fred Moir Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Fred - I though

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2016-06-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Rights are to be removed from the felons who are not removed from the population. True crazies were committed, and thus had (in theory) no access to wea pons. The remainder are to be responsible for their actions. The -ists want everyone to be dependent sheeple so they can be controlled.

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2016-06-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
comes off. Remember I'd tend to agree with him and I think that... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next q

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2016-06-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Interesting thing about the Swiss and firearms.. There is a weapon in each household of military grade capable of full automatic fire, and it is also equipped with a proscribed issue of ammunition. What is not brought out however, is that every Citizen has to re-qualify, at a government run range,

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2016-06-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I like the Swiss. They have government issued firearms in every household, but a very low rate of firearm related deaths. Interesting. And yes, Greg, I think you’ve got some good ideas. I am all for 2nd Amendment rights, but the system is flawed in so many ways. I certainly understand the

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2016-06-13 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Don't make the mistake of equating conservative with anti gun laws. I know very conservative right wing nuts who are scared of their shadows and want all guns banned (too afraid to hold one), and very liberal left wing nuts who will fight to the death to keep their guns. I also know a few (very

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2016-06-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 13/06/2016 3:18 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Andrew. I keep forgetting that americans don't do irony, sorry. I'm in favor of responsible gun ownership. (Who decides?). I'm in favor of keeping all rights free of (stupid) regulations. (Again, who decides?). No one should be denied any of

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2016-06-13 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question This has confused and befuddled me for some time. For the life of me I don't understand why the NRA doesn't come to the table. They might get something

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2016-06-13 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
s Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel; Fred Moir Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Fred - I thought you were One of Us - what happened? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change deliver

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2016-06-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> > From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Andrew > > Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Sent: 13 June 2016 18:26 > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: Andrew Strasf

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2016-06-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Andrew > Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: 13 June 2016 18:26 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question > > Without me, what wou

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2016-06-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Andrew > Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: 13 June 2016 18:26 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question > &g

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2016-06-13 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
sion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question Without me, what would you all talk about? Someone owes me a b**r. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

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2016-06-13 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
e about him giving his driving privilege too for that matter... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [M

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2016-06-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
ennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question On 13/06/2016 2:42 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote: > Driving is

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2016-06-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Well said. On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 13/06/2016 2:42 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote: > >> Driving is a privilege, it is not a right as enumerated in the >> Constitution. So, driving can be subject to various regulations;

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2016-06-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 13/06/2016 2:42 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote: Driving is a privilege, it is not a right as enumerated in the Constitution. So, driving can be subject to various regulations; whereas, a Constitutional right should not be subject to regulation. --R I normally try to keep out of

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