Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
The flat rate to adjust the valves on a 4.2 Jag engine was 8 hours - and it often took that long. I'd hate to see the book on the V12 --- the best part though was the test drive when you were though -- I do think the '66 and '67 were the best years - triple SU's. I loved to tune those. I'd like to try a early 6 cylinder - say a 66 or 67 - just to have a reference you know. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
Yeah, adjusting valves was a lengthy chore but thankfully once the were set they tended to stay set. They use shims instead of a screw adjuster - need a different valve clearance? Change the shim. I had a 59 Jag sedan with the 3.4 engine that was eventually used in the early E Types - what a beautiful piece of engineering- But you;re right - adjusting the valves was a *very* time consuming chore! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe The flat rate to adjust the valves on a 4.2 Jag engine was 8 hours - and it often took that long. I'd hate to see the book on the V12 --- the best part though was the test drive when you were though -- I do think the '66 and '67 were the best years - triple SU's. I loved to tune those. I'd like to try a early 6 cylinder - say a 66 or 67 - just to have a reference you know. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
Rich wrote:nothing sounds quite like a nice V12 Hi Rich, Another part of the story about the XKE V12 my friend owned - we used to drive to work together and he had rented a parking garage to protect it and prevent any problems finding parking on the street. Luckily for me, Jim (the owner) used to let me drive it quite a bit - he knew how much I loved sports cars and it allowed him to read the paper on the way to work. It was an all brick, but small single car garage. The XKE fit perfectly - but we had to be careful when we opened the doors to avoid damage. We always backed it in - it seemed like we could make a faster get-away and beat some of the traffic. The real magic was when we fired up that amazing V12 - those 4 exhausts pipes were always about 4 to 6 from the rear brick wall and that big 12 would turn over sounding all the world like a big turbine - until it fired and the exhaust sounds bounced off those brick walls! It was engine Heaven! I can still hear that magical sound! The thing I recall the most about driving it was how it revved - the tack needle would move slowly - it takes a while for 12 cylinders to make a complete turn - and even though I'd try to see how close to redline I could take it I'd always chicken out around 4000-5000. By then, in 2nd gear that car would be going 80 or so! Even though it wasn't close to redline it just seemed like I needed to shift - but o what a musical sound a V12 makes! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe Yeah that was it. Still, nothing sounds quite like a nice V12. --R LarryT wrote: Ya'll wrote:Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems You may be referring to a post of mine where I was talking about a XKE V12 a friend owned. The ignition amplifier was in the V and the heat would kill it. I imagine the newer V12 generates as much heat as the older engine but hopefully the electronic components are relocated to a safer area of are better insulated. Even though some years of development and refinement have improved things, rememeber the V12 is a high performance engine requiring an extra level of maintanence and compared to others, were produced in very limited numbers all thing Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe Rich Thomas wrote: Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems or something, parts that were tucked up between the heads and got really really hot? I believe he said a friend owned one and had to replace an electric part several times a year when the engine quit. It might explain why so many of them still have less than 100k miles on them, when a R107 of similar vintage with a 5 digit odo reading is quite rare. Believe it or not, that newspaper with about 80-100 car ads in it currently has two XJS. The other one is a 1987 Jagrolet: Jaguar XJS 1987 Converted to Chevy V8, about 8k miles on new engine. $6300 worth of improvements. Sharp! $3000. 989-277-8476 If $2-3k is the going rate for a 1980's XJS, I guess a somewhat cheaper Corvette would have been a better investment. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus
Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
Another little known fact: the A/C compressor had to be removed to replace the number 1 cylinder spark plug. Heard there were a lot of 11 cylinder tuneups. On 8/8/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich wrote:nothing sounds quite like a nice V12 Hi Rich, Another part of the story about the XKE V12 my friend owned - we used to drive to work together and he had rented a parking garage to protect it and prevent any problems finding parking on the street. Luckily for me, Jim (the owner) used to let me drive it quite a bit - he knew how much I loved sports cars and it allowed him to read the paper on the way to work. It was an all brick, but small single car garage. The XKE fit perfectly - but we had to be careful when we opened the doors to avoid damage. We always backed it in - it seemed like we could make a faster get-away and beat some of the traffic. The real magic was when we fired up that amazing V12 - those 4 exhausts pipes were always about 4 to 6 from the rear brick wall and that big 12 would turn over sounding all the world like a big turbine - until it fired and the exhaust sounds bounced off those brick walls! It was engine Heaven! I can still hear that magical sound! The thing I recall the most about driving it was how it revved - the tack needle would move slowly - it takes a while for 12 cylinders to make a complete turn - and even though I'd try to see how close to redline I could take it I'd always chicken out around 4000-5000. By then, in 2nd gear that car would be going 80 or so! Even though it wasn't close to redline it just seemed like I needed to shift - but o what a musical sound a V12 makes! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe Yeah that was it. Still, nothing sounds quite like a nice V12. --R LarryT wrote: Ya'll wrote:Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems You may be referring to a post of mine where I was talking about a XKE V12 a friend owned. The ignition amplifier was in the V and the heat would kill it. I imagine the newer V12 generates as much heat as the older engine but hopefully the electronic components are relocated to a safer area of are better insulated. Even though some years of development and refinement have improved things, rememeber the V12 is a high performance engine requiring an extra level of maintanence and compared to others, were produced in very limited numbers all thing Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe Rich Thomas wrote: Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems or something, parts that were tucked up between the heads and got really really hot? I believe he said a friend owned one and had to replace an electric part several times a year when the engine quit. It might explain why so many of them still have less than 100k miles on them, when a R107 of similar vintage with a 5 digit odo reading is quite rare. Believe it or not, that newspaper with about 80-100 car ads in it currently has two XJS. The other one is a 1987 Jagrolet: Jaguar XJS 1987 Converted to Chevy V8, about 8k miles on new engine. $6300 worth of improvements. Sharp! $3000. 989-277-8476 If $2-3k is the going rate for a 1980's XJS, I guess a somewhat cheaper Corvette would have been a better investment. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http
Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
Desert Rat wrote:A/C compressor had to be removed to replace the number 1 cylinder spark plug. Heard there were a lot of 11 cylinder tuneups. Howdy - I can understand that! There was little to love - except the drop dead great looks and that Oh My God engine. It would truely take your breath away. The maintanence could really be a PITA X 2. I'd like to try a early 6 cylinder - say a 66 or 67 - just to have a reference you know. And of course, driving a V12 Ferrari just to hear that V12 wail would be a dream come true. Seems like there were some V8s in the 70s that had problems with all the plugs? Maybe a V8 Capri? Or Mustang? Don't know why the Capri rings a bell - but there was a hot rod Capri in the early/mid 70s that had the engine crammed in pretty tight - or am I thinking about the GT350? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe Another little known fact: the A/C compressor had to be removed to replace the number 1 cylinder spark plug. Heard there were a lot of 11 cylinder tuneups. On 8/8/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich wrote:nothing sounds quite like a nice V12 Hi Rich, Another part of the story about the XKE V12 my friend owned - we used to drive to work together and he had rented a parking garage to protect it and prevent any problems finding parking on the street. Luckily for me, Jim (the owner) used to let me drive it quite a bit - he knew how much I loved sports cars and it allowed him to read the paper on the way to work. It was an all brick, but small single car garage. The XKE fit perfectly - but we had to be careful when we opened the doors to avoid damage. We always backed it in - it seemed like we could make a faster get-away and beat some of the traffic. The real magic was when we fired up that amazing V12 - those 4 exhausts pipes were always about 4 to 6 from the rear brick wall and that big 12 would turn over sounding all the world like a big turbine - until it fired and the exhaust sounds bounced off those brick walls! It was engine Heaven! I can still hear that magical sound! The thing I recall the most about driving it was how it revved - the tack needle would move slowly - it takes a while for 12 cylinders to make a complete turn - and even though I'd try to see how close to redline I could take it I'd always chicken out around 4000-5000. By then, in 2nd gear that car would be going 80 or so! Even though it wasn't close to redline it just seemed like I needed to shift - but o what a musical sound a V12 makes! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe Yeah that was it. Still, nothing sounds quite like a nice V12. --R LarryT wrote: Ya'll wrote:Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems You may be referring to a post of mine where I was talking about a XKE V12 a friend owned. The ignition amplifier was in the V and the heat would kill it. I imagine the newer V12 generates as much heat as the older engine but hopefully the electronic components are relocated to a safer area of are better insulated. Even though some years of development and refinement have improved things, rememeber the V12 is a high performance engine requiring an extra level of maintanence and compared to others, were produced in very limited numbers all thing Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe Rich Thomas wrote: Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems or something, parts that were tucked up between the heads and got really really hot? I believe he said a friend owned one and had to replace an electric part several times a year when the engine quit. It might explain why so many of them still have less than 100k
Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
Yeah that was it. Still, nothing sounds quite like a nice V12. --R LarryT wrote: Ya'll wrote:Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems You may be referring to a post of mine where I was talking about a XKE V12 a friend owned. The ignition amplifier was in the V and the heat would kill it. I imagine the newer V12 generates as much heat as the older engine but hopefully the electronic components are relocated to a safer area of are better insulated. Even though some years of development and refinement have improved things, rememeber the V12 is a high performance engine requiring an extra level of maintanence and compared to others, were produced in very limited numbers all thing Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe Rich Thomas wrote: Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems or something, parts that were tucked up between the heads and got really really hot? I believe he said a friend owned one and had to replace an electric part several times a year when the engine quit. It might explain why so many of them still have less than 100k miles on them, when a R107 of similar vintage with a 5 digit odo reading is quite rare. Believe it or not, that newspaper with about 80-100 car ads in it currently has two XJS. The other one is a 1987 Jagrolet: Jaguar XJS 1987 Converted to Chevy V8, about 8k miles on new engine. $6300 worth of improvements. Sharp! $3000. 989-277-8476 If $2-3k is the going rate for a 1980's XJS, I guess a somewhat cheaper Corvette would have been a better investment. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
Rich Thomas wrote: Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems or something, parts that were tucked up between the heads and got really really hot? I believe he said a friend owned one and had to replace an electric part several times a year when the engine quit. It might explain why so many of them still have less than 100k miles on them, when a R107 of similar vintage with a 5 digit odo reading is quite rare. Believe it or not, that newspaper with about 80-100 car ads in it currently has two XJS. The other one is a 1987 Jagrolet: Jaguar XJS 1987 Converted to Chevy V8, about 8k miles on new engine. $6300 worth of improvements. Sharp! $3000. 989-277-8476 If $2-3k is the going rate for a 1980's XJS, I guess a somewhat cheaper Corvette would have been a better investment. Mitch.
[MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
As seen in the Lansing, MI State Journal this AM: 1988 XJS, V12, runs good, 69k, $2000 or best offer. 989-834-5313 I used to want one of these sooo bad, but can't stomach Lucas electrics and $0.30 per mile fuel costs, even in a toy car. Maybe if the V12 could be sold for $2k, it could make a nice place to drop in a 606 with twin sequential turbos. Anybody know how tall the engine bay is?
Re: [MBZ] OT: cheap V12 coupe
Ddin't I read someone here a few weeks ago say that the V12s cooked the ignition systems or something, parts that were tucked up between the heads and got really really hot? --R Mitch Haley wrote: As seen in the Lansing, MI State Journal this AM: 1988 XJS, V12, runs good, 69k, $2000 or best offer. 989-834-5313 I used to want one of these sooo bad, but can't stomach Lucas electrics and $0.30 per mile fuel costs, even in a toy car. Maybe if the V12 could be sold for $2k, it could make a nice place to drop in a 606 with twin sequential turbos. Anybody know how tall the engine bay is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
