Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-19 Thread George Larribeau
The Idea of buying a rental car is hard to fathom. I guess mentally it is a 
bit like the idea of marrying an ex-prostitute (sorry about the sexism).

There was an article in the National Lampoon Magazine in the mid 1970's 
titled How to drive fast on drugs while getting your @#$%^%$# squeezed with 
out spilling your drink. It was a very typical product of the National 
Lampoon at the time. One of the references in it was a discussion on whether 
rear or front engine cars handled best. The answer was that rented cars 
handled best rental cars will go around corners faster that any other car. 
They also will go into reverse at higher rates of speed .oh yeah some thing 
about stellar off road capability. When ever I here of the idea of 
purchasing a used rental car I always remember that article.

These days when I rent a car I treat it well however, 20 +  years ago I was 
a field engineer in the computer industry. Traveled a lot and rented a lot 
of cars. All I can say about that is I would want to discuss the statue of 
limitation with a lawyer before divulging how they were driven.

George Larribeau
Dallas Texas


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I would never buy a rental, just based on how i've driven my rentals the
 past two months.  And I normally drive quite conservatively, but city
 driving just brings out the worst habits in me.

 On 10/16/07, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rental+car
 +abusesearch=Search

 Still they would be newer, they likely had regular approved service,
 how would you know the treatment
 was *any* different than a car from some used car lot which has no
 history...

 Is there some large difference in pricing driving this decsion?

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

  Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
  Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
  to rental cars.  Any opinions?
 
  Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-18 Thread Sunil Hari
I would never buy a rental, just based on how i've driven my rentals the
past two months.  And I normally drive quite conservatively, but city
driving just brings out the worst habits in me.

On 10/16/07, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rental+car
 +abusesearch=Search

 Still they would be newer, they likely had regular approved service,
 how would you know the treatment
 was *any* different than a car from some used car lot which has no
 history...

 Is there some large difference in pricing driving this decsion?

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

  Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
  Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
  to rental cars.  Any opinions?
 
  Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-17 Thread Gary Thompson
I used to go fishing up in the mountains of Colorado on roads that
were only passable by 4x4 trucks or rental cars. I would fly into
Denver, rent a car, and bounce it all over those roads for a week. If
it didn't have rattles in the dash before, it would after...

YMMV.

This was years ago. Course now all those roads are nicely paved, lined
with RVs, and the fishing has gone to crap :^(

Gary Thompson
1995 E320

On 10/16/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah I was thinking pretty much along those lines, myself.

 Minivan is the subject of my search.  Only thing that gives me pause
 is a story a co-worker told about how they rented a Grand Caravan and
 proceded to load it up with 7 adults and camping gear enough to have
 the springs nearly flat, then drove it around in the mountains about
 1,800 miles in a week.

 I'd guess *most* minivans would not get that treatment, however.  I do
 agree about the low end econo cars.

 Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-17 Thread Redghost
Not sure what enterprise does, but the cars my parents bought had  
under 23k on the clock.  Your trip would have gotten the car on the  
lot really fast.

clay

On 16 Oct 2007, at 22:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 In a message dated 10/16/2007 8:59:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Couple  of people I know have been happy with cars they bought  from
 Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things   
 people do
 to rental cars.  Any opinions?



 Allan,

 About 15 years ago, we rented a nice Mitsubishi Diamante from  
 Enterprise  for
 a 25 day vacation trip.  My Cherokee was in the shop after a major   
 crash and
 the insurance company paid for the rental.  We drove that car   
 12,000 miles,
 some at speeds over 100 miles/hr.  I DID change the oil, on  my own  
 nickel,
 about half way through the trip, as I didn't know how many miles   
 were on the
 oil before we got the car.  I often wondered how many miles  showed  
 on the
 odometer when it went on the used car lot, cause they sure   
 couldn't make much
 money at $20/day, unlimited mileage.

 New cars now have oil change programs built into the PCM and will  
 tell you
 when it is time to change the oil.  I suspect a used rental car may  
 be a  good
 buy, unless it has been wrecked or submerged.

 Good luck,

 Jim  Friesen
 Phoenix AZ
 79 300SD, 264 K miles
 98 ML 320, 152 K  miles



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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-17 Thread Curt Raymond

Today on my way back to the hotel my rented Malibu got in my opinion the snot 
kicked out of it. A really good 0-60 run and then 50mph into a section of where 
they'd ground the pavement off the street. 
I hit one bump where they'd ground around a manhole so hard I thought I'd 
broken the oilpan. Just kept driving, figured the idiot light would come on if 
there was a problem...

BTW overall I like the Malibu, its comfortable and really quick. My biggest 
complaint is the remote locking fob is busted and you can't use the interior 4 
door locks when the door is open...
Oh and interestingly if you put the key in and immediately start the car theres 
a delay before the starter kicks in. That doesn't happen if you turn the key to 
the run position and pause before you go to start.
I theorize that its waiting for the fuel pump to come up to pressure before 
it'll crank.

-Curt

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I used to go fishing up in the mountains of Colorado on roads that
were only passable by 4x4 trucks or rental cars. I would fly into
Denver, rent a car, and bounce it all over those roads for a week. If
it didn't have rattles in the dash before, it would after...

YMMV.

This was years ago. Course now all those roads are nicely paved, lined
with RVs, and the fishing has gone to crap :^(

Gary Thompson
1995 E320

On 10/16/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah I was thinking pretty much along those lines, myself.

 Minivan is the subject of my search.  Only thing that gives me pause
 is a story a co-worker told about how they rented a Grand Caravan and
 proceded to load it up with 7 adults and camping gear enough to have
 the springs nearly flat, then drove it around in the mountains about
 1,800 miles in a week.

 I'd guess *most* minivans would not get that treatment, however.  I
 do
 agree about the low end econo cars.

 Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-17 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
not hard at all if you have the right equipment. I saw a report on 
German TV a couple of years ago where there was a thriving market for 
folks who would come to your house etc and reset the odometer to any 
reading you want ( and at the time is was not really illegal, one of 
those loopholes that was still on the books, I don't know if they've 
changed that yet ). they just come with a laptop, plug in and in a few 
minutes, the odometer reading  is whatever you want it to be. They were 
showing how most of the low mileage used cars being sold overseas out 
of Germany had been reset.
Enough to make you think twice about a late model used car out of 
Germany for sure.

As easy as it was, I have no doubt the american used car crowd caught 
onto it a long time ago.

-Robert

Allan Streib wrote:
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 I often wondered how many miles showed on the odometer when it went
 on the used car lot, cause they sure couldn't make much money at
 $20/day, unlimited mileage.
 

 I assume that today's digital odometers are harder to tamper with than
 the old mechanical ones?  Or can somebody with a factory computer
 program reset the numbers?

 Allan
   


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[MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Allan Streib
Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
to rental cars.  Any opinions?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread John M McIntosh
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rental+car 
+abusesearch=Search

Still they would be newer, they likely had regular approved service,  
how would you know the treatment
was *any* different than a car from some used car lot which has no  
history...

Is there some large difference in pricing driving this decsion?

On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

 Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
 Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
 to rental cars.  Any opinions?

 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Allan Streib
Don't know about the pricing.  Seems reasonable, but not really great
at first glance.  Especially considering they probably bought them at
a serious discount from the manufacturer.  One draw is that there is a
large selection in one place.  They *say* that they only keep their
best cars for sale, and send any sub-prime cars to auction.

I guess they do maintain them, but since they only keep them a year or
so that amounts to a few oil and filter changes and maybe a set of
brake pads.

You are right, you really don't know the history.  That is not any
different than most other used cars so I don't see that as a big
factor either way.

Allan

John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rental+car+abusesearch=Search

 Still they would be newer, they likely had regular approved service,
 how would you know the treatment was *any* different than a car from
 some used car lot which has no history...

 Is there some large difference in pricing driving this decsion?

 On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

 Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
 Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
 to rental cars.  Any opinions?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread EDWARD DENNIS
Hi,
  I bought a 2001 Cherokee Classic in December 2001 23k miles.
  I had them install a western plow and drove it to 93k and love it.
  $19,800 and 8% $492 for 5 years. Still my newest of the fleet.
  Ed in Chicago
   
  '82 300sd 120k; '85 190d 90k; '90 sub 6.2 na 252k; '90 F250 7.4 4x4 95k;67 
F250 59k; '81cj7 65k; '76 LTD wag 145k; '85 Linc TC 145k; 2001 Altima 70k; '86 
Accord 51k; '90 BMW K100 45k; '82 KZ 250 3k. the fleet! one wife 2 daughters. 
'67 33' CC Cavalier; '85 Wellcraft 19' and a 1948 CC deluxe KBL 131hp.

John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rental+car 
+abusesearch=Search

Still they would be newer, they likely had regular approved service, 
how would you know the treatment
was *any* different than a car from some used car lot which has no 
history...

Is there some large difference in pricing driving this decsion?

On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

 Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
 Enterprise. I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
 to rental cars. Any opinions?

 Allan
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 1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Enterprise is *supposed* to be real good at maintaining their vehicles, 
but I had to rent one of their compacts a couple of years ago in New 
Hampshire that only had about 10k miles on it and the thing was beat.
 At least most of the car places are better on keeping the scheduled 
maintnence up, even if they ignore some major repairs. I wouldn't buy 
anything from uhaul.Most of the independent agents don't want to have to 
fool with getting the reimbursement for oil etc and they send them out 
the door low on everything  ( and if the engine seizes up, it's the 
customers fault for not keeping the fluids up...go figure  ) I had to 
rent a truck with a v10 ford a while back that only had about 50k on it. 
the thing was over 3 qts low on oil leaving the agents yard when I 
stopped at a gas station down the street ( for some reason, they had me 
wait for 4 hours while they got the truck ready for a long trip and when 
I got there , all the fluids were low, the cab was dirty and they hadn't 
even bothered to empty the ash tray.which I can be fairly certain 
that they charged the last person for , for returning the vehicle dirty. 
I have no idea what the heck they did during that 4 hours.)

About the only thing going for a used rental car is some come with 
warranties.

-Robert

Allan Streib wrote:
 Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
 Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
 to rental cars.  Any opinions?

 Allan
   


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[MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Glenn Brown
Allan,
For what this is worth, when I was working a friend at work had bought
program cars for years as she would put quite a lot of miles on a car each
year as she lived a considerable distance from work.  We were office mates
eons ago and, even though we were in different areas of the company in later
years, we would occasionally have lunch to keep in touch and she never
seemed to complain about any of the cars she had.  As I remember, they were
all GM models.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Rich Thomas
You should buy a brown one.  Then no one would be upset if you gave it a 
name.

--R

Glenn Brown wrote:
 Allan,
 For what this is worth, when I was working a friend at work had bought
 program cars for years as she would put quite a lot of miles on a car each
 year as she lived a considerable distance from work.  We were office mates
 eons ago and, even though we were in different areas of the company in later
 years, we would occasionally have lunch to keep in touch and she never
 seemed to complain about any of the cars she had.  As I remember, they were
 all GM models.

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 Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Curt Raymond

Funny as I was driving my rental car into Burbank today I was thinking about 
this.

My theory of the moment is that if you were buying a nicer car it would be 
fine. Econobox, forget it.
Econoboxes get rented, mostly I suspect, by younger people that kick the crap 
out of them. A nicer car that would more likely only be rented by more 
responsible adults would probably be okay.
Witness the Civic I had some 3 years ago that I picked out because the paint 
was trashed. I proceeded to royally thrash it for a week. Great car, I really 
liked it.
Today I have a Malibu that seems to be a decent car but I have no desire to go 
out and really flog it.

My Aunt has a Volvo she bought from a rental agency, she's had terrific luck 
with it.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:58:45 -0400
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Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
to rental cars.  Any opinions?

Allan
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1966 230

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Allan Streib
Yeah I was thinking pretty much along those lines, myself.

Minivan is the subject of my search.  Only thing that gives me pause
is a story a co-worker told about how they rented a Grand Caravan and
proceded to load it up with 7 adults and camping gear enough to have
the springs nearly flat, then drove it around in the mountains about
1,800 miles in a week.

I'd guess *most* minivans would not get that treatment, however.  I do
agree about the low end econo cars.

Allan


Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Funny as I was driving my rental car into Burbank today I was thinking
 about this.

 My theory of the moment is that if you were buying a nicer car it
 would be fine. Econobox, forget it.  Econoboxes get rented, mostly I
 suspect, by younger people that kick the crap out of them. A nicer car
 that would more likely only be rented by more responsible adults would
 probably be okay.  Witness the Civic I had some 3 years ago that I
 picked out because the paint was trashed. I proceeded to royally
 thrash it for a week. Great car, I really liked it.  Today I have a
 Malibu that seems to be a decent car but I have no desire to go out
 and really flog it.

 My Aunt has a Volvo she bought from a rental agency, she's had
 terrific luck with it.

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:58:45 -0400 From: Allan Streib
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 Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
 Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
 to rental cars.  Any opinions?

 Allan
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 1983 300D
 1966 230


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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Fred Johnson
My family bought a 78 Mercury Zephyr from Hertz many
years ago.  Lasted 10 years 100k miles w/no problems.
 Got me through college.

Would do it again through a rental car company or
through CarMax or the like as cars come off lease.

Fred Johnson
1977 240D
1983 300SD
1991 A/R 164
1996 Civic


--- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Couple of people I know have been happy with cars
 they bought from
 Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about
 the things people do
 to rental cars.  Any opinions?
 
 Allan
 -- 
 1983 300D
 1966 230
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread OK Don
Friend of our family ran a Hertz agency back in the '70s, they did
absolutely NO maintenance - at least at that time.


 Still they would be newer, they likely had regular approved service,
 how would you know the treatment
 was *any* different than a car from some used car lot which has no
 history...


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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Redghost
My folks did the purchase a rental.  Liked the three cars they had.   
No issues and they drove them across the country a number of times.   
Biggest issue was to get dad to install new tires when needed.  All  
were toyota, so no data about american cars if you are looking at them.

clay

On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:58, Allan Streib wrote:

 Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
 Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
 to rental cars.  Any opinions?

 Allan
 -- 
 1983 300D
 1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Steve MacSween
on 10/16/07 20:30, OK Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Friend of our family ran a Hertz agency back in the '70s, they did
 absolutely NO maintenance - at least at that time.

Yeah I worked for Budget around that time and many of their outlets did the
same thing. Was well known in the industry on a nudge wink basis.

This practice was especially widespread for the cars taken on 'buy-back'
schemes. The rental company could sell them off OR choose to simply return
them to the manufacturer on or before a certain date.

Hertz in the U.S. got caught on that and paid a whopper fine to FTC or
somesuch, also got nailed in a separate case for misleading claims on their
used cars.

I doubt that practice still exists anywhere, for several reasons:

1. Newer engines won't take it like the old detroit iron
2. Car companies caught on
3. Climate of increased liability (you can do an awful lot of oil changes
for the price of one wrongful death suit where lawyers point to lack of
maintenance).

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread Steve MacSween
on 10/16/07 11:58, Allan Streib at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Couple of people I know have been happy with cars they bought from
 Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things people do
 to rental cars.  Any opinions?

Any car can be subject to abuse, just ask a dealer service manager about
refused warranty claims for people with teenage kids who do serious harm to
daddy's car on a Saturday nite.

IF you are able to focus on a rental outlet that mainly serves either the
airport or hotel/uptown/corporate market, you probably have a slightly
better chance  of avoiding an abused car. But in most cities rental fleets
are fluid and the cars move around to different offices -- one exception
being that in some larger markets, upmarket autos may be reserved for
high-end clients at the airport.

However, I would suggest that really your chances are about the same with an
ex-rental as with anything else on a lot. Have the vehicle checked out
independently by someone you trust, and try to look beyond a complete detail
job for evidence of collision repair or  abuse to the interior.

When I worked for Budget we sold a lot of cars out to taxi drivers. Urban
legend had it that they found them more reliable and longer-lived than cars
purchased off private sales.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OT: would you buy a rental car?

2007-10-16 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 10/16/2007 8:59:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Couple  of people I know have been happy with cars they bought  from
Enterprise.  I've also heard horror stories about the things  people do
to rental cars.  Any opinions?



Allan,
 
About 15 years ago, we rented a nice Mitsubishi Diamante from Enterprise  for 
a 25 day vacation trip.  My Cherokee was in the shop after a major  crash and 
the insurance company paid for the rental.  We drove that car  12,000 miles, 
some at speeds over 100 miles/hr.  I DID change the oil, on  my own nickel, 
about half way through the trip, as I didn't know how many miles  were on the 
oil before we got the car.  I often wondered how many miles  showed on the 
odometer when it went on the used car lot, cause they sure  couldn't make much 
money at $20/day, unlimited mileage.
 
New cars now have oil change programs built into the PCM and will tell you  
when it is time to change the oil.  I suspect a used rental car may be a  good 
buy, unless it has been wrecked or submerged.
 
Good luck,
 
Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 152 K  miles



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