Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-04-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
yup  looks like a block heater. Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote on 4/2/19 2:57 PM: tin wrote: did image make it thru the rigorous OkieBenz review? tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-04-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Compare it to a MB block heater.  Is it between 450W and 750 Watt? Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote on 4/2/19 10:39 AM: tin wrote: Attached is picture of Heater Element... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archiv

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-04-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Yes - very gratifying. On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:58 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > tin wrote: > > tin wrote: > > > Try again... > > did image make it thru the rigorous OkieBenz review? > tin > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > T

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-04-02 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
tin wrote: > tin wrote: > Try again... did image make it thru the rigorous OkieBenz review? tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mai

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-04-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Cut the old one open and tell us what you find --- On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 11:35 AM Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Another question? > What do these heater elements look like inside? Is it a single > straight conductor clay-packed inside tube? Is it a spiral shape >

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-04-01 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Another question? What do these heater elements look like inside? Is it a single straight conductor clay-packed inside tube? Is it a spiral shape conductor clay-packed inside tube? What is the difference in size of the conductor between 230v and 110v? Thanks tin

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:35:44 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: > Craig wrote: > > So a heater rated at 4 times the desired power on 230 V will give you > > the desired power on 110 V. But it probably won't fit physically. > > Doesn't the size of the electric wire inside the tube change? i.e

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
There is a maximum heat flux that you can pump into water per unit area, before surface steam would be generated which would dramatically cut down the heat flux and result in overheating and melting of the element. So, he's talking about putting in a 4kW element in order to get 1kW out of it on

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-25 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Craig wrote: > So a heater rated at 4 times the desired power on 230 V will give you the > desired power on 110 V. But it probably won't fit physically. Doesn't the size of the electric wire inside the tube change? i.e. change the wire to larger diameter and the heater can remain small? tin _

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:41:31 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: > Curley wrote: > > The guy I used to work for would know all that. > > And he knew a lot more, no doubt. The type of guy we need a million > more today. Will 230v replacement work in 110v? > That is question for Craig, and Wat

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Will 230v work for 110v? In short, no. You don't specify which way, but for a resistance heater you'll either get 1/4 the power and tepid water, or else 4x the power (briefly) and wet slag. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http:/

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Cut the volts in half and you cut the watts to a quarter. Mitch > On March 24, 2019 at 10:39 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes > wrote: > Will 230v work for 110v? > Where's Craig? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-24 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curley wrote: > The guy I used to work for would know all that. And he knew a lot more, no doubt. The type of guy we need a million more today. Will 230v replacement work in 110v? That is question for Craig, and Watlow / Calrod. tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-24 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
-- Jim wrote: > My guess is all you really need is the overall physical dimensions of the > installation (coil shape/size), voltage/wattage, and that it's for a coffee > maker? > > This is a low-tech installation, in all likelihood. Will 230v work for 110v? Where's Craig? tin ___

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Diameter of electrical carrier inside the metal tube is probably > important? Diameter of metal tube is probably important? Length of > metal tube is probably important? What else will Watlow / Calrod need > to know? My guess is all you really need is the overall physical dimensions of the in

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-23 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
The guy I used to work for would know all that.  He seemed to be on a first name basis with the engineers at both companies.  He was 80 at the time, and ran like he was 20 or 25, kinda like Dax on startrek.  He'd get a call at 3 am from a ship on the other side of the world having trouble light

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curley wrote: > WATLOW HAS A HUGE FACILITY IN HANNIBAL, Mo. Thanks for that. Does anyone know system load calculations for calrod heat element? There is an engineer reading OkieBenz... correct? Diameter of electrical carrier inside the metal tube is probably important? Diameter of metal tube is p

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-23 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
WATLOW HAS A HUGE FACILITY IN HANNIBAL, Mo.  Think Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn, Samuel Clemons, Mark Twain.   It is right on US 61. Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote on 3/23/19 12:39 PM: Device nameplate: 120v, 1000w Thanks for info about Watlow and Calrod. One manufacturer or fabricator is located ne

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Device nameplate: 120v, 1000w Thanks for info about Watlow and Calrod. One manufacturer or fabricator is located nextdoor to --FT and Max, i.e. SC tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-23 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
yea, but I assumed mao knew that.  it is rated 220, but I'd look for one 240v rated. Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 3/23/19 6:22 AM: Even more important than the watt rating is the volt rating. Mitch. On March 22, 2019 at 9:45 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: My advice:  Look on

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-23 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Even more important than the watt rating is the volt rating. Mitch. > On March 22, 2019 at 9:45 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > My advice:  Look on the websites for both, armed with the thread dia and > pitch.  (after you decide if it is metric or US)  Also get the watt > ra

Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I think there are only 2 companies who make 90% or more of all heating elements.  Calrod and Watlow. My advice:  Look on the websites for both, armed with the thread dia and pitch.  (after you decide if it is metric or US)  Also get the watt rating off the element or from the machine nameplate

[MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

2019-03-22 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
No... not CalRod, i.e. california hot rod... Is calrod the copper tube with wire and clay inside used for heating water? There should be independent repair places that can replace a busted element? The busted tube here is espresso machine boiler and element has hole in tube and clay insides are fal