Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
We never gave him the chance to exercise his sleaze gene. On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:47 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You should have pressed for the Trucoat > > --FT > > On 2/15/21 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > When we bought our first and

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-15 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
You should have pressed for the Trucoat --FT On 2/15/21 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: When we bought our first and only new car - a 1976 Chevette - the salesman quoted a full price of $3624. That seemed reasonable, so we said OK. The salesman was so stunned at our failure

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
When we bought our first and only new car - a 1976 Chevette - the salesman quoted a full price of $3624. That seemed reasonable, so we said OK. The salesman was so stunned at our failure to bargain that he threw in a complimentary undercoating worth $75. That car served us well without any

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-15 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Exactly. This is what I want to avoid. Sure, I know the Carvana and CarMax people are still getting their pound of flesh, I just don’t want to deal with the BS. If I go the used route, and I probably will, that aspect of the transaction is amplified because there’s typically less room for

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-15 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
When we bought the CPO 14ML350 we agreed on a price and had everything nailed down. I specifically said I was not paying any paperhandling fees, OK.  So after a little while the paperwork shows up, there's the doc fees listed on the total price calculation.  I pointed this out and the sales

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2021-02-14 14:10, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Probably gone by now, but if not it would be a good flip candidate. I doubt Dan wants anything from the rust belt. Tried contacting him, was reminded that he sold it when he bought a big white Silverado.

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Here dealers will say the doc fees are required by the state. That is a lie. They are not required to charge doc fees at all. The law says if they charge doc fees they have to charge it to everyone. If somebody throws a fit they can deduct the amount off the sale price but it will still have to

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
A guy I hunt with bought a 9mm last fall, can't get any ammo. We stopped at a gun shop a week ago, they had gotten a shipment of 9mm, it was all sold in like 20 minutes. They did have a box of .22 short I picked up for my dad. I also scored a box of .300 Savage "just because". When I got home

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
When we bought the RAM I nearly walked over the doc fees. 30 years ago when there was a secretary typing it out I didn't like it but understood. Today they enter the price and the computer spits out all the forms automatically. IIRC it was $300 and I told the salesman that if the doc fee

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
As another example of how car prices out of whack our 2003 Ranger 4wd 4.0l extended cab SLT with 25,000 miles, in 2008 cost just over $10k... The pre-newest-style Rangers didn't have the option of crew cab in the USA. Some (most?) of the extended cabs have suicide doors. One of the annoying

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Dan Penoff via Mercedes writes: > As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on > Carvana. One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add > ons” like a dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, > “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. Carvana and Carmax "no haggle"

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I would think that EVs would be hardest hit by microchip shortages, but I guess the reality is that EVs still account for a small minority of new car production, and also that all new cars are loaded with microprocessors and integrated circuits. Allan OK Don via Mercedes writes: > From the

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sure, why not? I’m always up for a road trip. -D > On Feb 14, 2021, at 2:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > My receptionist (68 year old geezer) sold his 1990ish S10 EL and bought a > somewhat loaded looking dark green 4x4 Ranger a couple of years ago. I don't > recall the

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Probably gone by now, but if not it would be a good flip candidate. I doubt Dan wants anything from the rust belt. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 14, 2021 1:17 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I will say MMR on most used vehicles these days is going above retail at auction. I have heard stories from customers, one in particular, had a later model Silverado sitting on the lot they could t sell at 26k for some reason. Took it to auction and it sold for 33k. I told him he should take

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
My receptionist (68 year old geezer) sold his 1990ish S10 EL and bought a somewhat loaded looking dark green 4x4 Ranger a couple of years ago. I don't recall the details, I just saw it parked in front of a house with a for sale sign on it, thought 'somebody should buy that, it looks great',

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
From the news today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/here-are-some-of-the-car-models-most-likely-to-be-in-shorter-supply-due-to-the-global-chip-shortage/ar-BB1dFRHk?li=BBnb7Kz On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 11:56 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I can wait, I’m

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Too bad all the rental companies were dumping cars last summer, they'd sell them easily today. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Ahh, yes, a nice 1911 is always a good choice. I haven’t looked at the firearms market of late, but I’ve heard it’s a crazy place, no doubt much like the car market. ML500 went to Haiti. Long story. Suffice to say I made money on the deal. I can wait, I’m not under any pressure. I was just

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others I understand about the government payments and car buying, but I wasn’t aware of shortages. Sounds like I need to wait, which is just fine with me. I really need to get this E420 W124 out of the garage and on to another home right now. Once that’s

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I understand about the government payments and car buying, but I wasn’t aware of shortages. Sounds like I need to wait, which is just fine with me. I really need to get this E420 W124 out of the garage and on to another home right now. Once that’s done I’ll be more motivated to do something

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>These things don’t seem to last long. I’m truly >amazed that if things are so >bad for so many >people why there is such a big market for used >trucks Sounds like "car fever". I get it. I have "Kimber fever" right now. After a year of being told "no", the consumer market is bursting with

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
The reason the prices are so high on used is because there is very little new inventory available. I have stores that usually have a hundred trucks in stock that have none at all, or maybe 5-6 if they are lucky. I don’t think FCA is so bad but Ford and GM are. With GM they were shut down due to

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and upfront pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as well. I

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It appears that the delivery thing is extra, although there’s no charge for it. There is one of their places close to me, so I guess I could go look at something if they had it. I’ve been looking at Ford Rangers and everything they’ve had is “pending”. Seems like the local dealers don’t have

Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
This girl I know looked at a coupla cars, they brought them to her place on a flatbed and could do the deal right there, give a trade-in credit (essentially buy your old car for a specified price) and haul off the old car.  Sort of a mobile Carmax. She ended up not buying either one, whoever

[MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others

2021-02-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about