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2013-05-28 Thread Max
Ah, went right by me. Thanks for the correction. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I think Clay's point may have been that engineer mistake = accident and everything else is negligence. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:58

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2013-05-28 Thread Max
Max's fantasy: put on the tool belt, and a concealed camera with microphone, and use the proceeds to force the change. Get local press involved, twist the union official's tails, whistle-blower protection, national labor board equivalent, whole deal. Probably never work again as a union

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2013-05-28 Thread Mountain Man
Max wrote: Max's fantasy: put on the tool belt, and a concealed camera with microphone, and use the proceeds to force the change. Get local press involved, twist the union official's tails, whistle-blower protection, national labor board equivalent, whole deal. Probably never work again as a

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2013-05-27 Thread Randy Bennell
I think we have a similar system here. Our government is socialist NDP. So, the major projects are all union jobs that cost a fortune, last for years and are generally not very well done. My son has a friend who is now a journeyman electrician earning $40 per hour in his first year as a

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2013-05-27 Thread Randy Bennell
On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. ___ Ah, but

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2013-05-27 Thread Michael Canfield
The supervisors are off milking the job hiding somewhere. Mike On May 27, 2013 11:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think we have a similar system here. Our government is socialist NDP. So, the major projects are all union jobs that cost a fortune, last for years and are

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2013-05-27 Thread Rich Thomas
Read up on Boston's Big Dig --R On 5/27/13 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors

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2013-05-27 Thread Michael Canfield
Is that when they made those huge tunnels? Been through them..kinda scary. Mike On May 27, 2013 1:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Read up on Boston's Big Dig --R On 5/27/13 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

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2013-05-27 Thread Brian Toscano
Then it should come out of the DoD budget. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Is that when they made those huge tunnels? Been through them..kinda scary. Mike On May 27, 2013 1:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

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2013-05-27 Thread Craig
On Mon, 27 May 2013 18:33:44 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Then it should come out of the DoD budget. Then WHAT should come out of the Department of Defense budget? Craig On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Is that when they

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2013-05-27 Thread Dieselhead
Apparently it is not only acceptable but required that they not have ready access to tools so he carries a screw driver and if he needs another tool, has to go back to some other location to get the other tool. Where are the supervisors on these jobs? Just stupid to train a young ambitious

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2013-05-27 Thread clay
We are having a new floating bridge built to replace the 50 year old one that is over burdened. To help pay for it, tolls have been instituted. Old bridge is still there. It used to be a clogged artery all day long. With the toll, you can zip across with minimal traffic. Sadly, the

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2013-05-26 Thread clay
In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy clay On May 24, 2013, at

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2013-05-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Repairing the people's infrastructure with your tax dollars is as socialistic a concept as they come. The right wing (conservative) approach would privatize the bridge and have the capitalist owner fund maintenance exenses through tolls collected from users of the bridge. On Sun, May 26, 2013

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2013-05-26 Thread clay
You would think, but the folks out here allow the Goobermint to put toll on its own roads that they have underfunded and mis-engineered. Then you get to pay thrice the initial cost. Or it gets bogged down in design and review committee for decades until there is not money left in the till to

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2013-05-26 Thread Brian Toscano
The Hood Canal Bridge is an unfortunate accident (as was Galloping Gertie). Would you have not built the bridge in the first place and let people take US 101 around? That seems like the best option to me. Hard to justify that kind of expense for the Olympic Peninsula which is low in population

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2013-05-26 Thread Dieselhead
The Hood Canal Bridge is an unfortunate accident (as was Galloping Gertie). Would you have not built the bridge in the first place and let people take US 101 around? That seems like the best option to me. Hard to justify that kind of expense for the Olympic Peninsula which is low in population

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2013-05-26 Thread Scott Ritchey
Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure. It is only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require excessive de

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2013-05-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and repair.) Or by cheating contractors building below spec. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

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2013-05-26 Thread Max
Or by simple lack of maintenance and postponed repairs. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical experience with materials, machining, service and

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2013-05-26 Thread Brian Toscano
I think Clay's point may have been that engineer mistake = accident and everything else is negligence. On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Or by simple lack of maintenance and postponed repairs. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa

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2013-05-26 Thread clay
All fo the bridge incidents here are unfortunate accidents. Build a massive new bridge and then forget to seal up the holes on the old on so that in a bit of blustery weather the pontoons fill and the floating bridge sinks to the bottom of the lake? There is a reason for the bridge on Hood

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2013-05-24 Thread Mountain Man
Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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2013-05-24 Thread Allan Streib
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at Skagit River. The bridge is already gone at google maps. Interesting... Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready jobs to fix our crumbling bridges? Who