Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Attaboy!!
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard, no news yet 

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> On Apr 20, 2020, at 4:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Success! At least partially.
> 
> I ran the offending zone this morning for a minute or two and the repair is 
> not leaking. However, I’ve got another (known) leak in the same circuit at a 
> line out by the street where it got nicked when some plants were being dug. 
> Easy access to that one and a fairly simple repair, so I’ll let the area dry 
> out and replace the section where it’ s nicked.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good point. However, if it leaks I’ll just shut that circuit off. I haven’t 
>> been using it up to now anyway.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:05 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
 Dan wrote:
>>> 
 Worst case, it continues to leak. Best case, it doesn’t. If I
 end up with just a few small leaks around the patch I’ll get
 more epoxy and slather it around wherever there are leaks.
>>> 
>>> Don't wait too long if it leaks.  The tree will send a lot of
>>> roots to the source of a leak.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 01:08:20 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Craig wrote:
> 
> Hah!   backhoe.65.jpg sure looks like a green tree growing from
> that root wad!

You are right! I never noticed that before.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Success! At least partially.

I ran the offending zone this morning for a minute or two and the repair is not 
leaking. However, I’ve got another (known) leak in the same circuit at a line 
out by the street where it got nicked when some plants were being dug. Easy 
access to that one and a fairly simple repair, so I’ll let the area dry out and 
replace the section where it’ s nicked.

-D


> On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Good point. However, if it leaks I’ll just shut that circuit off. I haven’t 
> been using it up to now anyway.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:05 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dan wrote:
>> 
>>> Worst case, it continues to leak. Best case, it doesn’t. If I
>>> end up with just a few small leaks around the patch I’ll get
>>> more epoxy and slather it around wherever there are leaks.
>> 
>> Don't wait too long if it leaks.  The tree will send a lot of
>> roots to the source of a leak.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good point. However, if it leaks I’ll just shut that circuit off. I haven’t 
been using it up to now anyway.

-D

> On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:05 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Dan wrote:
> 
>> Worst case, it continues to leak. Best case, it doesn’t. If I
>> end up with just a few small leaks around the patch I’ll get
>> more epoxy and slather it around wherever there are leaks.
> 
> Don't wait too long if it leaks.  The tree will send a lot of
> roots to the source of a leak.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> Worst case, it continues to leak. Best case, it doesn’t. If I
> end up with just a few small leaks around the patch I’ll get
> more epoxy and slather it around wherever there are leaks.

Don't wait too long if it leaks.  The tree will send a lot of
roots to the source of a leak.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

PVC is more rigid than polyethylene, it may make it easier to install
before you start pushing dirt over it.  I know that ours, black poly, needed
a lot of hand manipulation to get the heads properly aligned in the ground
as you buried it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Beats me. Here you’re typically putting the sprinklers in before the sod, and 
it doesn’t have to be more than a few inches deep since we don’t have to worry 
about freezing. Not sure if that’s why they use PVC or not. Never seen the 
black poly used here, although I am familiar with it.

-D

> On Apr 19, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, April 19, 2020 2:45 pm, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> Get some of that black plastic landscaping pipe, that stuff is really
>> flexible, and patch in a new section
> 
> Good point.
> The Saab indy I worked for in the 1980s was also an irrigation installer.
> Everything was black poly. And if tree roots ever broke it, I never heard
> about it. I don't know why anybody would pay more for rigid PVC with
> joints every 10', that does not sound at all like a professional
> installation.
> With the poly, you just put a pulling blade on the ditch witch, dragged
> the pipe underground, and dug it up a bit where you needed to install the
> sprinkler heads.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

On Sun, April 19, 2020 2:45 pm, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Get some of that black plastic landscaping pipe, that stuff is really
> flexible, and patch in a new section

Good point.
The Saab indy I worked for in the 1980s was also an irrigation installer.
Everything was black poly. And if tree roots ever broke it, I never heard
about it. I don't know why anybody would pay more for rigid PVC with
joints every 10', that does not sound at all like a professional
installation.
With the poly, you just put a pulling blade on the ditch witch, dragged
the pipe underground, and dug it up a bit where you needed to install the
sprinkler heads.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Went out and did some work on this today. Was able to clean some more of the 
growth away from the pipes so I could get all the way around the pipe and tee. 
The tee and pipe are clearly separated, and quite cleanly. It was easy to tell 
once I got the dirt away from both and hosed them down with some brake cleaner.

So here’s what I did:

Cut a very narrow (1/2” wide) piece of 1” PVC and cut it down to about 90 
degrees worth of pipe. I gooped up the joint with Don’s epoxy, which did a good 
job of filling the gap, and put this small piece on top of the gap between the 
pipe and tee. Then I gooped up all over the pipe and tee and took a piece of 1” 
PVC about 2” long that I split lengthwise. I gooped it up well inside, then 
spread it apart to go over both the side of the tee and the patch/pipe. I used 
the remaining epoxy to fill in gaps at both ends of the overlapping piece.

Now it sits. Nice warm day today, and where this is located might even get it 
some direct sunlight to speed things along. I’ll test it with line pressure in 
the morning after it has a good 12 hours to set up.

Worst case, it continues to leak. Best case, it doesn’t. If I end up with just 
a few small leaks around the patch I’ll get more epoxy and slather it around 
wherever there are leaks.

Grant, I like your approach with the cheap chain saw, and it’s certainly the 
best one I think. I suspect I’ll be doing this at some point in the future, but 
for now if I can get away with a kludge i prefer that approach. I’m only about 
4’-5’ away from this tree, so I suspect that even with a sharp chain saw it 
will be slow, slow going and potentially damage the tree. I would gladly forgo 
the sprinkler than risk the tree.

Thanks, everyone! I’ll report back in the morning.

-D

> On Apr 19, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get some of that black plastic landscaping pipe, that stuff is really 
> flexible, and patch in a new section
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 4/19/20 2:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Dan wrote:
>>> Both lines are  surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
>>> from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of
>>> the tree have distorted and stressed the lines,
>>> I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
>>> surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather
>>> fragile lines not to mention I would have to do some serious
>>> excavating to get enough space to get my chain saw at them.
>> Use an ax.  Replace that whole section with Sch 80 pipe.  Put the
>> pipes in sand, and add zig-zags to allow pipe stretch.  That
>> should gain you a few years.
>> 
>>> There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the tree, as
>>> there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t
>>> rootbound.
>> Close proximity to a tree is NOT what you want if long service is
>> a goal.
>> 
>>> Anyone else have an idea?
>> It appears to me that _anything_ you do there would be short term
>> - 5 year max - as the tree and roots will tear up anything you
>> do.  Repairing the leak that's there will probably only last until
>> it is stretched more.  Like this summer.
>> 
>> Get to that zone another way, or kill the tree and put in new
>> lines - or don't irrigate that zone.
>> 
>> I think the tree will win no matter what you do unless you get at
>> least 15 - 20 ft away.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Get some of that black plastic landscaping pipe, that stuff is really 
flexible, and patch in a new section


--FT

On 4/19/20 2:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Dan wrote:
Both lines are  surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of
the tree have distorted and stressed the lines,
I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather
fragile lines not to mention I would have to do some serious
excavating to get enough space to get my chain saw at them.

Use an ax.  Replace that whole section with Sch 80 pipe.  Put the
pipes in sand, and add zig-zags to allow pipe stretch.  That
should gain you a few years.


There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the tree, as
there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t
rootbound.

Close proximity to a tree is NOT what you want if long service is
a goal.


Anyone else have an idea?

It appears to me that _anything_ you do there would be short term
- 5 year max - as the tree and roots will tear up anything you
do.  Repairing the leak that's there will probably only last until
it is stretched more.  Like this summer.

Get to that zone another way, or kill the tree and put in new
lines - or don't irrigate that zone.

I think the tree will win no matter what you do unless you get at
least 15 - 20 ft away.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Oak tress tend to die around here when the roots are disturbed, so keep
this in mind.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:24 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> As you say, at this point, you have nothing to lose, so try this.
> Search Craigs List local to you for an electric chain saw, used and cheap.
> Or, buy a new one at Harbor Freight, new but cheap. You are going to
> sacrifice the blade and chain, in the next step.
>
> Spray paint a rectangle box on the ground around the broken water lines and
> across the offending tree roots...  Use the chain saw to make plunge cuts
> into the dirt along the paint lines to cut the roots and the dirt, and the
> water lines out of the "broken zone.
>
> Pick axe or shovel or what ever tool works to remove the dirt, cut tree
> roots sections, and broken pipe to "open the box of repair".
>
> Dig back at the ends to expose undamaged pipes for a clean glue and repair
> joint.  Repair the pipes... fill the hole.. done... almost..
> Go to harbor freight and buy a new bar and chain for the cheap chain
> saw now you have a handy tool ... or sell it cheap on Craigs List.. or
> donate it... you decide..
>
> I have used the plunge cut on 3 trees todate soon will do it to remove
> a palm tree which has huge root structure that is impossible to dig out
> plunge cut a 4 side box and they pop out with a little effort. If you want,
> you can file the teeth on a "dirt saw" chain and dress them up enough to
> cut some more  Harbor Freight has electric chain saws on sale often...
> $38 or so.
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:04 PM fmiser via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > Dan wrote:
> >
> > > Both lines are  surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
> > > from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of
> > > the tree have distorted and stressed the lines,
> >
> > > I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
> > > surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather
> > > fragile lines not to mention I would have to do some serious
> > > excavating to get enough space to get my chain saw at them.
> >
> > Use an ax.  Replace that whole section with Sch 80 pipe.  Put the
> > pipes in sand, and add zig-zags to allow pipe stretch.  That
> > should gain you a few years.
> >
> > > There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the tree, as
> > > there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t
> > > rootbound.
> >
> > Close proximity to a tree is NOT what you want if long service is
> > a goal.
> >
> > > Anyone else have an idea?
> >
> > It appears to me that _anything_ you do there would be short term
> > - 5 year max - as the tree and roots will tear up anything you
> > do.  Repairing the leak that's there will probably only last until
> > it is stretched more.  Like this summer.
> >
> > Get to that zone another way, or kill the tree and put in new
> > lines - or don't irrigate that zone.
> >
> > I think the tree will win no matter what you do unless you get at
> > least 15 - 20 ft away.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[G Mann via Mercedes]

As you say, at this point, you have nothing to lose, so try this.
Search Craigs List local to you for an electric chain saw, used and cheap.
Or, buy a new one at Harbor Freight, new but cheap. You are going to
sacrifice the blade and chain, in the next step.

Spray paint a rectangle box on the ground around the broken water lines and
across the offending tree roots...  Use the chain saw to make plunge cuts
into the dirt along the paint lines to cut the roots and the dirt, and the
water lines out of the "broken zone.

Pick axe or shovel or what ever tool works to remove the dirt, cut tree
roots sections, and broken pipe to "open the box of repair".

Dig back at the ends to expose undamaged pipes for a clean glue and repair
joint.  Repair the pipes... fill the hole.. done... almost..
Go to harbor freight and buy a new bar and chain for the cheap chain
saw now you have a handy tool ... or sell it cheap on Craigs List.. or
donate it... you decide..

I have used the plunge cut on 3 trees todate soon will do it to remove
a palm tree which has huge root structure that is impossible to dig out
plunge cut a 4 side box and they pop out with a little effort. If you want,
you can file the teeth on a "dirt saw" chain and dress them up enough to
cut some more  Harbor Freight has electric chain saws on sale often...
$38 or so.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:04 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Dan wrote:
>
> > Both lines are  surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
> > from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of
> > the tree have distorted and stressed the lines,
>
> > I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
> > surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather
> > fragile lines not to mention I would have to do some serious
> > excavating to get enough space to get my chain saw at them.
>
> Use an ax.  Replace that whole section with Sch 80 pipe.  Put the
> pipes in sand, and add zig-zags to allow pipe stretch.  That
> should gain you a few years.
>
> > There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the tree, as
> > there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t
> > rootbound.
>
> Close proximity to a tree is NOT what you want if long service is
> a goal.
>
> > Anyone else have an idea?
>
> It appears to me that _anything_ you do there would be short term
> - 5 year max - as the tree and roots will tear up anything you
> do.  Repairing the leak that's there will probably only last until
> it is stretched more.  Like this summer.
>
> Get to that zone another way, or kill the tree and put in new
> lines - or don't irrigate that zone.
>
> I think the tree will win no matter what you do unless you get at
> least 15 - 20 ft away.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Craig wrote:

Hah!   backhoe.65.jpg sure looks like a green tree growing from
that root wad!

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> Both lines are  surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
> from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of
> the tree have distorted and stressed the lines, 

> I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
> surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather
> fragile lines not to mention I would have to do some serious
> excavating to get enough space to get my chain saw at them.

Use an ax.  Replace that whole section with Sch 80 pipe.  Put the
pipes in sand, and add zig-zags to allow pipe stretch.  That
should gain you a few years.

> There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the tree, as
> there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t
> rootbound.

Close proximity to a tree is NOT what you want if long service is
a goal.

> Anyone else have an idea? 

It appears to me that _anything_ you do there would be short term
- 5 year max - as the tree and roots will tear up anything you
do.  Repairing the leak that's there will probably only last until
it is stretched more.  Like this summer.

Get to that zone another way, or kill the tree and put in new
lines - or don't irrigate that zone.

I think the tree will win no matter what you do unless you get at
least 15 - 20 ft away.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What Michael said - I vote for the sawsall, followed by wrapping the break
with heavy cloth saturated with the plastic epoxy, like jeans?

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 7:55 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Use and old chain/chain saw or a cheap sawsall  all and cut the roots.
>  It’s a bit of work but then it’s done.
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Use and old chain/chain saw or a cheap sawsall  all and cut the roots.   It’s a 
bit of work but then it’s done. 



> On Apr 18, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m asking because I literally have nothing to lose at this point…
> 
> I have a 1” schedule 20 PVC sprinkler line that is broken open at a joint at 
> a “T” fitting. Normally I would dig up a portion of the line, cut the 
> offending portion out and replace it with new pieces. But…
> 
> There are two 1” lines traveling together, one on top of the other. The 
> bottom line has the tee that is broken at the joint on one side, the portion 
> of the tee that is parallel to the other line if that makes sense. Both lines 
> are literally surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’ from an oak 
> tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of the tree have distorted 
> and stressed the lines, causing the top line, which is the supply line from 
> my water meter to the sprinkler valves, to flatten out some. The bottom line 
> is under the same stress from the surrounding roots, but because the tee was 
> present the joint on one side of the tee failed.
> 
> See it here just after we had a good hard rain:  
> http://penoff.com/Photo_Dump.html#1 
> 
> I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4” surrounding 
> these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather fragile lines not to 
> mention I would have to do some serious excavating to get enough space to get 
> my chain saw at them. There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the 
> tree, as there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t rootbound.
> 
> So here’s my Hail Mary:
> 
> Get some of the Flexseal Flex Tape and try to wrap the affected area on the 
> break at the tee. Because the roots have actually grown between the lines 
> slightly, there’s probably enough of a gap that I can slip the tape through 
> to get all the way around the fitting and still partially attached pipe. The 
> gap or break in the pipe is probably 1/4” at it’s greatest width, if that.
> 
> Anyone else have an idea? At this point I really have nothing to lose as the 
> sprinkler zone that’s affected hasn’t worked for years from what I can tell.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:53:00 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I’m asking because I literally have nothing to lose at this point…

> See it here just after we had a good hard rain:
> http://penoff.com/Photo_Dump.html#1
> 

> Anyone else have an idea? At this point I really have nothing to lose
> as the sprinkler zone that’s affected hasn’t worked for years from what
> I can tell.

If it hasn't worked for years, do you really need it to work?

Unless you are going to take the tree out, you will always have problems
with those lines, since the roots will continue to grow and will continue
to distort the pipes and make new breaks.

If you really want it to work, can you rent a trenching machine (as I
have done in the past) and run new lines 15 or 20 feet from the tree to
the area of the affected zone? You would, of course cut and cap the line
from the tree to the affected zone.

Note: 15 or 20 feet from the tree the roots could be 4" in diameter. That
  was the case for our house in Los Alamos where a tree on the south
  side of the driveway had been cut down because its roots had heaved
  the driveway. I rented a backhoe to take out the broken-up driveway
  and dug up the stump and its roots on the north side of the driveway
  at the same time -- see attached pictures.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Don,

My local FLAPS has the stuff on the shelf, so I ordered some for pickup 
tomorrow morning. I’m thinking I can cut some small scraps of 1” tubing to 
place over the crack to close the hole up a bit before I apply the stuff.

This is far simpler than trying to wrap something around it. And if it doesn’t 
work, on to the next suggestion!

More as I know it. Thanks!

-D


> On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm really impressed with this stuff.
> Permatex 84115 5-minute Plastic Weld Adhesive, 0.84 oz.
> They say it doesn't work with polyethylene, but it did great for me.  It's
> not so runny that it will drip away from where you are trying to join
> pipes, unlike JB Weld Plastic Weld, which it runny. Great if you need it to
> run inot a joint, not good otherwise. YMMV
> 
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 6:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Can you cut a tee in half and epoxy or solvent weld the pieces to the
>> broken piece?
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m asking because I literally have nothing to lose at this point…
>>> 
>>> I have a 1” schedule 20 PVC sprinkler line that is broken open at a
>> joint at a “T” fitting. Normally I would dig up a portion of the line, cut
>> the offending portion out and replace it with new pieces. But…
>>> 
>>> There are two 1” lines traveling together, one on top of the other. The
>> bottom line has the tee that is broken at the joint on one side, the
>> portion of the tee that is parallel to the other line if that makes sense.
>> Both lines are literally surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
>> from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of the tree
>> have distorted and stressed the lines, causing the top line, which is the
>> supply line from my water meter to the sprinkler valves, to flatten out
>> some. The bottom line is under the same stress from the surrounding roots,
>> but because the tee was present the joint on one side of the tee failed.
>>> 
>>> See it here just after we had a good hard rain:
>> http://penoff.com/Photo_Dump.html#1 
>>> 
>>> I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
>> surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather fragile
>> lines not to mention I would have to do some serious excavating to get
>> enough space to get my chain saw at them. There’s no way I could dig them
>> up and “bypass” the tree, as there’s really nowhere to go in close
>> proximity that isn’t rootbound.
>>> 
>>> So here’s my Hail Mary:
>>> 
>>> Get some of the Flexseal Flex Tape and try to wrap the affected area on
>> the break at the tee. Because the roots have actually grown between the
>> lines slightly, there’s probably enough of a gap that I can slip the tape
>> through to get all the way around the fitting and still partially attached
>> pipe. The gap or break in the pipe is probably 1/4” at it’s greatest width,
>> if that.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else have an idea? At this point I really have nothing to lose as
>> the sprinkler zone that’s affected hasn’t worked for years from what I can
>> tell.
>>> 
>>> -D
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Don, I may check that out.

What makes this repair especially challenging, other than the roots and such, 
is that the pipe has either cracked or pulled out of the tee, so the crack or 
opening is right at where the transition from the pipe goes into the fitting - 
so I’ve got different diameters to deal with on each end. The tee is intact, so 
splitting one and gluing it on top wouldn’t help, unfortunately.

I was thinking about splitting a piece of 1’ PVC to make a sleeve to cover the 
crack as much as possible, then maybe find something to go over the whole 
repair from the tee to the pipe.

Hmm. Thanks guys! Keep those suggestions coming!

I can try just about anything since this is outside and on a non-potable system.

-D


> On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm really impressed with this stuff.
> Permatex 84115 5-minute Plastic Weld Adhesive, 0.84 oz.
> They say it doesn't work with polyethylene, but it did great for me.  It's
> not so runny that it will drip away from where you are trying to join
> pipes, unlike JB Weld Plastic Weld, which it runny. Great if you need it to
> run inot a joint, not good otherwise. YMMV
> 
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 6:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Can you cut a tee in half and epoxy or solvent weld the pieces to the
>> broken piece?
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m asking because I literally have nothing to lose at this point…
>>> 
>>> I have a 1” schedule 20 PVC sprinkler line that is broken open at a
>> joint at a “T” fitting. Normally I would dig up a portion of the line, cut
>> the offending portion out and replace it with new pieces. But…
>>> 
>>> There are two 1” lines traveling together, one on top of the other. The
>> bottom line has the tee that is broken at the joint on one side, the
>> portion of the tee that is parallel to the other line if that makes sense.
>> Both lines are literally surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
>> from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of the tree
>> have distorted and stressed the lines, causing the top line, which is the
>> supply line from my water meter to the sprinkler valves, to flatten out
>> some. The bottom line is under the same stress from the surrounding roots,
>> but because the tee was present the joint on one side of the tee failed.
>>> 
>>> See it here just after we had a good hard rain:
>> http://penoff.com/Photo_Dump.html#1 
>>> 
>>> I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
>> surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather fragile
>> lines not to mention I would have to do some serious excavating to get
>> enough space to get my chain saw at them. There’s no way I could dig them
>> up and “bypass” the tree, as there’s really nowhere to go in close
>> proximity that isn’t rootbound.
>>> 
>>> So here’s my Hail Mary:
>>> 
>>> Get some of the Flexseal Flex Tape and try to wrap the affected area on
>> the break at the tee. Because the roots have actually grown between the
>> lines slightly, there’s probably enough of a gap that I can slip the tape
>> through to get all the way around the fitting and still partially attached
>> pipe. The gap or break in the pipe is probably 1/4” at it’s greatest width,
>> if that.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else have an idea? At this point I really have nothing to lose as
>> the sprinkler zone that’s affected hasn’t worked for years from what I can
>> tell.
>>> 
>>> -D
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> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I'm really impressed with this stuff.
Permatex 84115 5-minute Plastic Weld Adhesive, 0.84 oz.
They say it doesn't work with polyethylene, but it did great for me.  It's
not so runny that it will drip away from where you are trying to join
pipes, unlike JB Weld Plastic Weld, which it runny. Great if you need it to
run inot a joint, not good otherwise. YMMV

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 6:00 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Can you cut a tee in half and epoxy or solvent weld the pieces to the
> broken piece?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Apr 18, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’m asking because I literally have nothing to lose at this point…
> >
> > I have a 1” schedule 20 PVC sprinkler line that is broken open at a
> joint at a “T” fitting. Normally I would dig up a portion of the line, cut
> the offending portion out and replace it with new pieces. But…
> >
> > There are two 1” lines traveling together, one on top of the other. The
> bottom line has the tee that is broken at the joint on one side, the
> portion of the tee that is parallel to the other line if that makes sense.
> Both lines are literally surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’
> from an oak tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of the tree
> have distorted and stressed the lines, causing the top line, which is the
> supply line from my water meter to the sprinkler valves, to flatten out
> some. The bottom line is under the same stress from the surrounding roots,
> but because the tee was present the joint on one side of the tee failed.
> >
> > See it here just after we had a good hard rain:
> http://penoff.com/Photo_Dump.html#1 
> >
> > I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4”
> surrounding these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather fragile
> lines not to mention I would have to do some serious excavating to get
> enough space to get my chain saw at them. There’s no way I could dig them
> up and “bypass” the tree, as there’s really nowhere to go in close
> proximity that isn’t rootbound.
> >
> > So here’s my Hail Mary:
> >
> > Get some of the Flexseal Flex Tape and try to wrap the affected area on
> the break at the tee. Because the roots have actually grown between the
> lines slightly, there’s probably enough of a gap that I can slip the tape
> through to get all the way around the fitting and still partially attached
> pipe. The gap or break in the pipe is probably 1/4” at it’s greatest width,
> if that.
> >
> > Anyone else have an idea? At this point I really have nothing to lose as
> the sprinkler zone that’s affected hasn’t worked for years from what I can
> tell.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Can you cut a tee in half and epoxy or solvent weld the pieces to the broken 
piece?

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m asking because I literally have nothing to lose at this point…
> 
> I have a 1” schedule 20 PVC sprinkler line that is broken open at a joint at 
> a “T” fitting. Normally I would dig up a portion of the line, cut the 
> offending portion out and replace it with new pieces. But…
> 
> There are two 1” lines traveling together, one on top of the other. The 
> bottom line has the tee that is broken at the joint on one side, the portion 
> of the tee that is parallel to the other line if that makes sense. Both lines 
> are literally surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’ from an oak 
> tree that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of the tree have distorted 
> and stressed the lines, causing the top line, which is the supply line from 
> my water meter to the sprinkler valves, to flatten out some. The bottom line 
> is under the same stress from the surrounding roots, but because the tee was 
> present the joint on one side of the tee failed.
> 
> See it here just after we had a good hard rain:  
> http://penoff.com/Photo_Dump.html#1 
> 
> I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4” surrounding 
> these lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather fragile lines not to 
> mention I would have to do some serious excavating to get enough space to get 
> my chain saw at them. There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the 
> tree, as there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t rootbound.
> 
> So here’s my Hail Mary:
> 
> Get some of the Flexseal Flex Tape and try to wrap the affected area on the 
> break at the tee. Because the roots have actually grown between the lines 
> slightly, there’s probably enough of a gap that I can slip the tape through 
> to get all the way around the fitting and still partially attached pipe. The 
> gap or break in the pipe is probably 1/4” at it’s greatest width, if that.
> 
> Anyone else have an idea? At this point I really have nothing to lose as the 
> sprinkler zone that’s affected hasn’t worked for years from what I can tell.
> 
> -D
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[MBZ] OT - Patching PVC Sprinkler Line Hack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m asking because I literally have nothing to lose at this point…

I have a 1” schedule 20 PVC sprinkler line that is broken open at a joint at a 
“T” fitting. Normally I would dig up a portion of the line, cut the offending 
portion out and replace it with new pieces. But…

There are two 1” lines traveling together, one on top of the other. The bottom 
line has the tee that is broken at the joint on one side, the portion of the 
tee that is parallel to the other line if that makes sense. Both lines are 
literally surrounded with tree roots, as they’re barely 6’ from an oak tree 
that is probably 24” in diameter. The roots of the tree have distorted and 
stressed the lines, causing the top line, which is the supply line from my 
water meter to the sprinkler valves, to flatten out some. The bottom line is 
under the same stress from the surrounding roots, but because the tee was 
present the joint on one side of the tee failed.

See it here just after we had a good hard rain:  
http://penoff.com/Photo_Dump.html#1 

I can’t possibly cut the roots, as some are as large as 3”-4” surrounding these 
lines. To do so would risk damaging the rather fragile lines not to mention I 
would have to do some serious excavating to get enough space to get my chain 
saw at them. There’s no way I could dig them up and “bypass” the tree, as 
there’s really nowhere to go in close proximity that isn’t rootbound.

So here’s my Hail Mary:

Get some of the Flexseal Flex Tape and try to wrap the affected area on the 
break at the tee. Because the roots have actually grown between the lines 
slightly, there’s probably enough of a gap that I can slip the tape through to 
get all the way around the fitting and still partially attached pipe. The gap 
or break in the pipe is probably 1/4” at it’s greatest width, if that.

Anyone else have an idea? At this point I really have nothing to lose as the 
sprinkler zone that’s affected hasn’t worked for years from what I can tell.

-D
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