Co-pilots like to accumulate flight hours and landings. Andrea became curt
during the captain's briefing on the planned landing. 'Spose he wasn't
gonna get the planned landing and decided that he'd land it, anyway?
That'll show 'em.
Wilton
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Good point Wilton.. looks like he really stuck it on that landing..
Just a little short on the approach, however..
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 7:16 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Co-pilots like to accumulate flight hours and landings. Andrea became
curt during the captain's
Spiegel, a respected German weekly, reported that investigators had found
evidence that the co-pilot was mentally ill. They found several notes from
doctors, as recent as the day of the crash, stating (for the benefit of the
airline) that he was ill and would be taking a day off. He apparently
My initial hunch that he was sent over the edge because he had broken up
with his GF was confirmed in one of the reports.
Do US airlines require both pilots to stay in the cockpit at all times
during the flight? No bathroom breaks?
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On 27/03/2015 9:16 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Co-pilots like to accumulate flight hours and landings. Andrea became
curt during the captain's briefing on the planned landing. 'Spose he
wasn't gonna get the planned landing and decided that he'd land it,
anyway? That'll show 'em.
Wilton
If that is true, the doctors should be held accountable. If they knew
this fellow was an airline pilot and distraught enough to need time off,
then they should be required to report it to the airline or their
version of the FAA.
RB
On 27/03/2015 10:08 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
German law prohibits this; the employess is required to do so.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
If that is true, the doctors should be held accountable. If they knew this
fellow was an airline pilot and distraught enough to need time off, then
they
The following link says that the co-pilot had taken time off from training for
depression. Severe depression can lead to what the co-pilot did:
Lack of self-confidence, self-trust, and low self-esteem play a large role in
the cause of these symptoms (of severe depression), and they are commonly
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Nice try. I gather the door was manually deadbolt-locked from the inside.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM
, but sometimes.
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From a news report, but: Airlines in Europe are not required to have two
people in the cockpit at all times, unlike the standard U.S. operating
procedure after the 9/11 attacks changed to require a flight attendant to
take the spot of a briefly departing pilot.
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Nice try. I gather the door was manually deadbolt-locked from
That is a rather preposterous hypothesis, UNLESS they come up with
something weird in the PILOT's background.
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So.. it was then a murder suicide
This may be one of those incidents that never get resolved,
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That is a rather preposterous hypothesis, UNLESS they come up with something
weird in the PILOT's background.
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Probably electro-mechanically.
Wilton
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Nice
as to know when an action by the other member
is
not appropriate.
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A young, European pilot with no obvious issues decides to crash a plane
and take 130 lives along with him. Tragically, the pilot could have
overriden the lock on the entry door but apparently didn't have the code or
expected his co-pilot to come to his senses...
This mystery may never be
I guess if the crew (including a wandering captain or co-captain) were
given the emergency unlocking code terrorists could force it out of them,
so that's not an option.
The solution is to either 1) expand the cockpit to include a powder room,
or 2) add a second door to the front toilet to allow
So.. it was then a murder suicide
This may be one of those incidents that never get resolved, since the AC
impacted solid granite at something like 400 MPH.. very little remains to
look at.
Reports to date are that even the fuel hydraulic-ed away from the point of
impact before burning off so
On 25/03/2015 10:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
Fly on Boeing aircraft. At least they allow the pilot to override the
computer
I strongly agree with this sentiment but reconstruction of the 2009 Air
France Airbus crash does not inspire great confidence in the basic
airmanship of the
Has anyone considered the other side? The pilot incapacitated the co-pilot
before leaving the cockpit. Therefore, he could make a show of not getting
back in. He could also NOT enter the code which would have released the door
in 5 minutes possibly leaving the pilot with 3 minutes to correct
Nice try. I gather the door was manually deadbolt-locked from the inside.
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Has anyone considered the other side? The pilot incapacitated the
co-pilot before leaving the cockpit. Therefore, he could make
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No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
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Be very afraid.
(Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane
, March 25, 2015 10:54 PM
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No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
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Be very afraid.
(Reuters) - One
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No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
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On 25/03/2015 10:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Doesn't the door lock automatically?
What do you think?
After 9/11 they reinforced all the cockpit doors to keep the bad guys out.
Unfortunately it also kept the pilot out.
RB
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On 25/03/2015 10:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense that
they would.
Dan
I would doubt they would as the key could be taken away from them while
outside the cockpit.
RB
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The door code can be overridden by someone inside. This was a
deliberate act apparently for reasons not yet known, perhaps
unknowable. One wonders, the Malaysian airline plane gone missing, now
this. I think the one where the Egyptian pilot flew the plane into the
ocean featured some
Fly on Boeing aircraft. At least they allow the pilot to override
the computer
I'd rather have a skilled human in change, rather than HAL.
(The usual disclaimers I don't work for Boeing, as far as I know, I
don't own any stock in either company.)
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As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a
rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft.
The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted
by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive
control of the airframe.
As a pilot,
it was the HAL9000 acting up again.
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Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Fluging along at cruise, starts a steep descent and bores
I have never piloted a plane and am really ignorant about aviation, but
here goes anyway:
What puzzles me is that this all transpired just as they reached cruising
altitude. Coincidence??
I'd like to know what, if anything, do the pilots would do (manually) when
they reach cruising altidue. If
Dan who likes the term auger in best
I like it too, but I think it wouldn't apply here,
since the plane wasn't spiraling.
-- Jim
It applies to prop driven planes, especially single engine ones that
hit nose first.
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Dan who likes the term auger in best
I like it too, but I think it wouldn't apply here,
since the plane wasn't spiraling.
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Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the
aircraft they fly.
Dan who likes the term auger in best
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As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I
The whole flight profile is likely programmed into the autopilot and
engaged at some point after takeoff (though I think these planes can
take off and land themselves once told to do so by the pilots), so
when it reaches cruise altitude it then levels out, engines are trimmed,
whatever to
Report speculates windshield cracked, which would tend to ruin one's day
at 30k ft and 400some kts.
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On 3/25/15 10:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Probably by the carrier. Most are pretty equipment specific as far as the
aircraft they fly.
Dan who likes the term auger in best
Dude I already said hal9000. They were trying to open the pod bay doors.
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On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
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Dan wrote:
Dan who likes the term auger in best
The line I heard today indicated that auger in might be a
Kaleb wrote:
Dude I already said hal9000. They were trying to open the pod bay doors.
Yes, I failed to give proper reference to Kaleb - sorry.
mao
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So the work on the front landing gear pod bay door was faulty, HAL9000
thought the door was opening at altitude, took evasive action to repel
boarders and flew into the mountain? Or maybe HAL9000 thought the opening
of the pod bay door was for a landing, and so went into landing mode?
At altitudes over 10,000 feet, the air pressure is too low for your lungs
to absorb the oxygen out of it, so you can suffocate (three minutes or
less). If you have the presence of mind, you can grunt breath, which is
too use your diaphragm to try to force the air out of your lungs but hold
your
You can survive quite well over 10k ft, 20k is pushing it though some
have conquered Everest 28k ft with no supplemental oxygen. I have
trekked at 14k+ ft and spent a couple days at 12k+, it is a challenge
but if you are fairly fit you can do it OK, some better than others (the
Quechua
Andrew wrote:
I have never piloted a plane and am really ignorant about aviation, but
here goes anyway:
Another observation I found interesting in yesterday's early reports
is that the airplane had just finished its inspection the day prior.
Perhaps a screw was left without proper torque wrench
When looking at flights online to book it tells you what aircraft it is
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On Mar 25, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a
rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft.
Dan wrote:
Dan who likes the term auger in best
The line I heard today indicated that auger in might be a wrong term.
Use another word indicating shatter. The investigators are taking
3'X3' squares to recover pieces? Plastic jets - just wonderful, eh?
Controlled by HAL9000.
mao
I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been living in a fantasy world. WTF!?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
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WHAT? No cat poop jam?
So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free
pass on your airline? In
And for the record Ludwig is not part of my name...
-Curt
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I thought G Mann = Greg Mann. I have been
WHAT? No cat poop jam?
So are you really a commercial pilot, Greg? If so please get me a free
pass on your airline? In return, I will barter for some of my CHOICE and
AWESOME used Mercedes 123 and 111 parts. Win-win!
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Hahahaha.. at last.. we agree on something !
Just to clear the air [so to speak] I've been a pilot for 55 yrs, or 20,075
days, and I've averaged one flight hr. per day for that period, [cumulative
hrs flown divided by days as a rated pilot] which accounts for quite a bit
of time without having my
Technically, being retired, I have my feet up, relaxing.. so I still don't
have feet on ground ;))
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Impressive. You now have your feet on the ground?
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Now it appears one pilot was locked out of the flight deck. Sounds suspicious
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ISIS
No other good explanation.
clay
On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a
rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft.
The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted
by
Max Dillon wrote:
Open the cockpit door Hal!
Maybe the pilot inside had a stroke, heart attack, black out from undiagnosed
diabetic condition, poisoned by the pilot who left in order to draw suspicion
away...
There were 2 Iranians, 1 Moroccan, and several Turks in board, so Islam was
well
ISIS No other good explanation.
The raghead terrorists? Or do you posit Archer Co.
were in charge of security? Either could do it! :-)
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Open the cockpit door Hal!
Maybe the pilot inside had a stroke, heart attack, black out from undiagnosed
diabetic condition, poisoned by the pilot who left in order to draw suspicion
away...
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No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
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Be very afraid.
(Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in
the French Alps, killing
I'm sure if there were islamics on board, they were all on their way to a
Boy Scout knot tying contest for qualification of their Eagle Scout badge.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
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No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
Doesn't the door lock automatically?
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No names of the crew released. Could be a clue there.
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Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense that
they would.
Dan
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For security reasons maybe they don't!
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Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense
that they would.
Dan
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On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:03 PM, G Mann via
Be very afraid.
(Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in
the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable
to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on
Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder.
“The
Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make
sense that they would.
Dan
I vote that pilots should be able to carry a 1911. The other guy
could have opened the door with a 1911 crowbar
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Fly on Boeing aircraft. At least they allow the pilot to override the
computer
I strongly agree with this sentiment but reconstruction of the 2009 Air
France Airbus crash does not inspire great confidence in the basic
airmanship of the pilots. Maybe when aircraft are designed to minimize
the
Here is a Germanwings website about pilot qualifications, hiring, etc.
One thing I noticed was that a non-German could get a pilot job with the
airline if he had an unlimited work permit.
Someone on another list wondered if Germanwings had hired a number of
middle-eastern pilots as first
Which way do the doors open to the cockpit? If towards the cabin, and
pressure was lost in the cockpit, but not in the cabin, it would be next to
impossible to open that door
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“You can hear he is
It depends on the level of the repair, but a test flight after maintenance
work is most always a good idea. I do them . . .
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Would any pilot on this list refuse to fly for that reason?
I'll be waiting for the Black box and cockpit voice recorder data...
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Fluging along at cruise, starts a steep descent and bores in, no
mayday. Most curious, as were other Airbus crashes.
Pilots comment?
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14,000 foot rapid descent sounds like they may have depressurized at altitude.
I wonder what the height of the Alps is in that area...
Dan
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I'll be waiting for the Black box and cockpit voice recorder
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Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Fluging along at cruise, starts a steep descent and bores in, no
mayday. Most curious, as were other Airbus crashes.
Pilots comment?
--R
Aviation experts are focusing on
As a pilot, and for many years flying for business, I personally have a
rule that I will not fly on Airbus aircraft.
The design is fly by wire and the response from pilot input is convoluted
by the pilot [s] having to fly the computer first to have positive
control of the airframe.
As a pilot, I
Terrain is about 9000 ft or so in that area, with higher ridges.
The rate of decent recorded by radar is just about the maximum descent
rate for that type of airframe. A Boeing 727 will drop much faster
under full control, but halting the descent becomes very tricky.
I don't like to
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