Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt
Randy Bennell wrote: Any of you folks watch Ice Pilots of the North about Buffalo Airways out of Yellowknife? It is amazing that they are still using aircraft that are 70 years old for commercial purposes in such a difficult and hostile environment. Did they ever do a 2nd season? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt
Randy, Mitch. Ice Pilots NWT just started season 5. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt Randy Bennell wrote: Any of you folks watch Ice Pilots of the North about Buffalo Airways out of Yellowknife? It is amazing that they are still using aircraft that are 70 years old for commercial purposes in such a difficult and hostile environment. Did they ever do a 2nd season? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt
'Did enjoy watching 'em; 'haven't seen 'em for several months; 'don't remember what channel they were on, but cable co. may have dropped 'em or the channel. Wilt - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt Randy Bennell wrote: Any of you folks watch Ice Pilots of the North about Buffalo Airways out of Yellowknife? It is amazing that they are still using aircraft that are 70 years old for commercial purposes in such a difficult and hostile environment. Did they ever do a 2nd season? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt
With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on 50-year-old designs. I once read a speculation that if the Government was in charge of all polio research, we still would not have a vaccine but we would have the most elaborate and expensive iron lungs imaginable. The younger readers know how to Google it and we older readers still remember. -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley It is amazing that they are still using aircraft that are 70 years old for commercial purposes in such a difficult and hostile environment. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A new 172 Cessna will now cost you about $500,000 I'm told. 4 place garden variety, 130 mph airplane. Government regulations over past 20 years along with OSHA and EPA compliance has driven up the price while sales have evaporated... The old airplanes built 50 yrs ago are more rugged by far in the far north, plus, they can actually be fixed in the field and flow out.. survival depends on that.. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on 50-year-old designs. I once read a speculation that if the Government was in charge of all polio research, we still would not have a vaccine but we would have the most elaborate and expensive iron lungs imaginable. The younger readers know how to Google it and we older readers still remember. -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley It is amazing that they are still using aircraft that are 70 years old for commercial purposes in such a difficult and hostile environment. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on 50-year-old designs. So why didn't the new daylight-hours-only sport pilot license lead to vastly increased interest in general aviation, driving down the prices, as was speculated would happen a few years back? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not true, even Cessna has new designs now (well, they bought them but are building and selling them now). The TTx is a new, composit single engine aircraft. With superior safety and performance engineered into the design DNA of the aircraft, every inch of the TTx has been meticulously refined for an aerodynamic purity that contributes to its jet-like handling. Manufactured in all-composite materials, the TTx is a true high-performance aircraft. With built-in oxygen, 102-gallon fuel capacity, touch-screen glass avionics, and available satellite radios, the TTx is an exceptionally well-equipped flying machine. Its class-leading 235-knot maximum cruise speed sets it solidly above every other aircraft in its class. The Cirrus is a recent new aircraft. http://www.cirrusaircraft.com/ Yes, they look like the old ones - but are refined and MUCH more expensive. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on 50-year-old designs. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt
I fail to see the connection. The aircraft are prohibitively expensive because of government regulation and liability. How is the number of pilots factor in except (maybe) to increase demand which (all things being equal) also increases price. The longevity of these old birds increases the time window for liability. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on 50-year-old designs. So why didn't the new daylight-hours-only sport pilot license lead to vastly increased interest in general aviation, driving down the prices, as was speculated would happen a few years back? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The sport pilot license resulted in a new group of qualified aircraft that sell in the $100k to $200k range - less than half the cost of a new standard light aircraft. How that is supposed to help, I don't know. What it has done is keep old geasers flying who can't (or are afraid they can't) pass the medical exam. It has breathed new life (with higher selling prices) in the market for the old aircraft that qualify for light sport. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on 50-year-old designs. So why didn't the new daylight-hours-only sport pilot license lead to vastly increased interest in general aviation, driving down the prices, as was speculated would happen a few years back? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt
Ignoring the fact that the TTx is not really a new design, let us see how this plays out. Cessna only started making the TTx this year. I recall discussion here about another novel aircraft (I don't recall the model) that sold in small numbers until the builder bought back all surviving copies, again for liability reasons). It seems the innovation in light aircraft is in the experimental and kit aircraft. I recall one of the Rutan brothers (back in the 70s) telling us that they only sell plans (no aircraft) for liability reasons. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt Not true, even Cessna has new designs now (well, they bought them but are building and selling them now). The TTx is a new, composit single engine aircraft. With superior safety and performance engineered into the design DNA of the aircraft, every inch of the TTx has been meticulously refined for an aerodynamic purity that contributes to its jet-like handling. Manufactured in all-composite materials, the TTx is a true high-performance aircraft. With built-in oxygen, 102-gallon fuel capacity, touch-screen glass avionics, and available satellite radios, the TTx is an exceptionally well-equipped flying machine. Its class-leading 235-knot maximum cruise speed sets it solidly above every other aircraft in its class. The Cirrus is a recent new aircraft. http://www.cirrusaircraft.com/ Yes, they look like the old ones - but are refined and MUCH more expensive. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: With current liability laws and a lawsuit-happy society it is liability-prohibitive to develop and build a new general aviation aircraft design. Practically every general aviation commercial aircraft is based on 50-year-old designs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Nov 11, 2013 9:57 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: The aircraft are prohibitively expensive because of government regulation and liability. How is the number of pilots factor in except (maybe) to increase demand which (all things being equal) also increases price. No, it drives down price because of competition and economies of scale. The sport pilot license was supposed to usher in a new era of general aviation when ordinary guys with $100K burning a hole in their pocket would buy a small plane instead of a Corvette or Porsche. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Photobucket is kind of slow and frustrating but probably the best of the photosharing websites. I'd tried Imgur but could only put up 250 photos. I've probably got 4x that many on Photobucket. I'd also tried flikr but you could only load so many at a time, and getting links to them was a drag... -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:54:21 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt Message-ID: canzcij-7gyzed9atmmwfmlmkhejneihclhbojx08j4atbpp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Try inviting mercedes@okiebenz.com and see what happens? I agree with the SR-71 being the most sexy aircraft, and thing the F104 is the second (not to fly, jsut to look at). P51 would be third, and P38 fourth. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am trying to figure out how to make it available in a shared folder on Dropbox but it looks like I have to invite specific people --R -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is no public folder that I see. Looks like they are either private or have to be shared which entails inviting users. --R On 10/29/13 8:57 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: That won't work. Put the file in your DB public folder, then right click on the file and click Copy public link and give us the link. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 10/29/2013 7:54 PM, OK Don wrote: Try inviting mercedes@okiebenz.com and see what happens? I agree with the SR-71 being the most sexy aircraft, and thing the F104 is the second (not to fly, jsut to look at). P51 would be third, and P38 fourth. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am trying to figure out how to make it available in a shared folder on Dropbox but it looks like I have to invite specific people --R --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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C:\Users\userID\Dropbox\Public is not a valid location? That's odd. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75794764/How%20to%20use%20the%20Public%20folder.txt Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 10/30/2013 8:51 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: There is no public folder that I see. Looks like they are either private or have to be shared which entails inviting users. --R --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In later versions you have the ability to disable the Public folder. That may be why he doesn't see it. Just create a new folder, drop the files in it, and click the little link to copy the link into your paste buffer then paste it in the body of an email to the list. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 30, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: C:\Users\userID\Dropbox\Public is not a valid location? That's odd. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75794764/How%20to%20use%20the%20Public%20folder.txt Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 10/30/2013 8:51 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: There is no public folder that I see. Looks like they are either private or have to be shared which entails inviting users. --R --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt -triplicate post
Sorry for the 3 posts, Gmail and Thunderbird freaked out together Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 10/30/2013 11:48 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: In later versions you have the ability to disable the Public folder. That may be why he doesn't see it. Just create a new folder, drop the files in it, and click the little link to copy the link into your paste buffer then paste it in the body of an email to the list. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 30, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: C:\Users\userID\Dropbox\Public is not a valid location? That's odd. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75794764/How%20to%20use%20the%20Public%20folder.txt Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/je2iy2pwywph0wm/DSC_0463.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/9shzrtlrgix4fu6/DSC_0463.jpg I don't have those choices on my mac but this seems to be about the closest thing. See if you can see it (one or the other) then I can add some more. --R On 10/30/13 12:44 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: C:\Users\userID\Dropbox\Public is not a valid location? That's odd. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75794764/How%20to%20use%20the%20Public%20folder.txt Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 10/30/2013 8:51 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: There is no public folder that I see. Looks like they are either private or have to be shared which entails inviting users. --R --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That worked. You can also share a folder like: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ffvo40wwkcjfdos/TWAxtMkp_s Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 10/30/2013 12:06 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I don't have those choices on my mac but this seems to be about the closest thing. See if you can see it (one or the other) then I can add some more. --R --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:06:45 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/je2iy2pwywph0wm/DSC_0463.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/9shzrtlrgix4fu6/DSC_0463.jpg I don't have those choices on my mac but this seems to be about the closest thing. See if you can see it (one or the other) then I can add some more. It works just fine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't know how I forgot it, but number two should be the Staggerwing Beech, D17. A26 might replace the P38 - still undecided. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Try inviting mercedes@okiebenz.com and see what happens? I agree with the SR-71 being the most sexy aircraft, and thing the F104 is the second (not to fly, jsut to look at). P51 would be third, and P38 fourth. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Tungsten is what you use -- takes the re-entry heat better. The Rod from God! Read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress to get a flavor how big dumb lumps can wreak havoc. If you own the high ground it is pretty easy. --R On 10/28/13 9:31 PM, G Mann wrote: Then came space with the capacity to put a nuke in orbit and leave it there, ready to drop on a moments notice for delivery anywhere on the earth in less time than it takes to run through the pre-flight checklist on the B-58... Then there is kinetic Energy Weapons system... it doesn't even use nuke... it's just a titanium pole [pick your size and diameter] dropped from space and guided by GPS or other secret guidance systems, so there is no launch signature. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe, I was a bit young then to recall. --R On 10/28/13 7:27 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Thought Convair F-102 was first to use area rule (coke bottle design) in early 50's; enabled it to go supersonic. Convair B-58 soon thereafter. Fuel and nuke weapons in B-58 pod. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT One for Milt When I was a kid I remember going to Grissom AFB in Indiana (it was called something else then, Bunker Hill I think) to an open house day, and getting to sit in the cockpit of one of these. I had built a plastic model of it, and thought it was soo cool. These things were so over the top. I understand that all the avionics generated so much heat (vacuum tubes), and took up so much space, that it was necessary to put all of it in an external pod that hung below the plane, and sorta negated a lot of the performance attributes it was designed for. I think it was the first Coke-bottle design for supersonic flight but the pod kinda killed that. Not sure where The Bomb was kept or how it could be dropped. It scared the rooshans though and kept Merka great and out of the hands of the filthy reds! Conelrad alert! Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPgur_cUmA#t=252 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I stand corrected... Tungsten , not Titanium is the material of choice.. Apparently my updated Typo 18.3 did not engage the Old fart forgets to check, 8.4 feature. Now, where did I put the app for that... it's laying around here somewhere.. ;)) In any case, the lawn dart weapon from hell could / can apparently deliver incredible amounts of energy to a very localized impact zone without leaving nuke nasty. Seems it would be the weapon of choice for total fear and intimidation. Unfortunately, it is no where as sexy as the B-58. There is a prime example of one setting at Pima Air Museum in Tucson, which is just across from Davis Mothan where airplanes go to die. If you have or can make the opportunity to go to that museum you should plan for at least two days and comfortable shoes for an aviation orgy. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Tungsten is what you use -- takes the re-entry heat better. The Rod from God! Read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress to get a flavor how big dumb lumps can wreak havoc. If you own the high ground it is pretty easy. --R On 10/28/13 9:31 PM, G Mann wrote: Then came space with the capacity to put a nuke in orbit and leave it there, ready to drop on a moments notice for delivery anywhere on the earth in less time than it takes to run through the pre-flight checklist on the B-58... Then there is kinetic Energy Weapons system... it doesn't even use nuke... it's just a titanium pole [pick your size and diameter] dropped from space and guided by GPS or other secret guidance systems, so there is no launch signature. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My vintage jet favorite is the Valkyrie. I remember when these were in testing in the 60s. Had the Revelle model. That was a sexy aircraft. It just looked intimidating. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:31 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: B-58 Hustler was built in the time frame when Jet A was cheap and nukes had to be hand delivered. That era passed pretty quickly with the cold war and the missile silos built all over the place. Then came space with the capacity to put a nuke in orbit and leave it there, ready to drop on a moments notice for delivery anywhere on the earth in less time than it takes to run through the pre-flight checklist on the B-58... Then there is kinetic Energy Weapons system... it doesn't even use nuke... it's just a titanium pole [pick your size and diameter] dropped from space and guided by GPS or other secret guidance systems, so there is no launch signature. It's reported that delivery time from geosynchronous orbit is something on the order of 6 minutes from release to impact. For a weapon 10 ft long 10 inches diameter, it's reported that Impact at 64,000 MPH delivers energy on the same scale of a 5 to 8 megaton nuke, with zero fallout or residual.. It is unconfirmed, of course, that we may or may not have such a weapon in inventory, however, it is confirmed that Russia developed such a device. Presumption is, USA has equal or better... The leaked Russian code name for their weapon was Stalins Hammer... Why rush conventional weapons can come at any time of the night with the present stealth planes. You can't see them so they don't have to out run surface to air missiles. That way, politicians have time to make excuses. Isn't technology great? On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: --R wrote: Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities Not many delta wing aircraft used these days? Is delta wing used only for supersonic? Was blackbird delta wing? Interesting video - thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:44:52 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: My vintage jet favorite is the Valkyrie. I remember when these were in testing in the 60s. Had the Revelle model. That was a sexy aircraft. It just looked intimidating. And just think, all of these were designed with a slide rule and paper. No finite element mechanical stress and strength modeling, no computational fluid dynamics modeling, just imagination and hand tools. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hands down sexiest jet airplane ever built was the SR71, in my book. Only 36 ever built. Designed and produced in record time without computers or any of the fancy stuff we have today.. Nothing to date matches it for speed [and that is still classified ] or altitude [also still classified]. Until the era of successful space high resolution information gathering.. it ruled. It was the ultimate game changer during the cold war.. At $1,000,000 per flight hour [reported, not confirmed] it was however a tad expensive to operate.. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:44:52 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: My vintage jet favorite is the Valkyrie. I remember when these were in testing in the 60s. Had the Revelle model. That was a sexy aircraft. It just looked intimidating. And just think, all of these were designed with a slide rule and paper. No finite element mechanical stress and strength modeling, no computational fluid dynamics modeling, just imagination and hand tools. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I took a bunch of great pics of the one at the Air Space Museum at Dulles. Got one as my wallpaper I'm thinking I should send the pic to Costco to get printed ($18 for a 20x30). --R On 10/29/13 2:56 PM, G Mann wrote: Hands down sexiest jet airplane ever built was the SR71, in my book. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:08:05 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I took a bunch of great pics of the one at the Air Space Museum at Dulles. Got one as my wallpaper I'm thinking I should send the pic to Costco to get printed ($18 for a 20x30). How about sending it to us so we can admire it, too? (I have only been waiting since Saturday night for Kaleb to approve an email with pictures) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 29/10/2013 1:40 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:44:52 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: My vintage jet favorite is the Valkyrie. I remember when these were in testing in the 60s. Had the Revelle model. That was a sexy aircraft. It just looked intimidating. And just think, all of these were designed with a slide rule and paper. No finite element mechanical stress and strength modeling, no computational fluid dynamics modeling, just imagination and hand tools. Craig ___ Any of you folks watch Ice Pilots of the North about Buffalo Airways out of Yellowknife? It is amazing that they are still using aircraft that are 70 years old for commercial purposes in such a difficult and hostile environment. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am trying to figure out how to make it available in a shared folder on Dropbox but it looks like I have to invite specific people --R On 10/29/13 4:48 PM, Craig wrote: How about sending it to us so we can admire it, too? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Try inviting mercedes@okiebenz.com and see what happens? I agree with the SR-71 being the most sexy aircraft, and thing the F104 is the second (not to fly, jsut to look at). P51 would be third, and P38 fourth. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am trying to figure out how to make it available in a shared folder on Dropbox but it looks like I have to invite specific people --R -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That won't work. Put the file in your DB public folder, then right click on the file and click Copy public link and give us the link. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (171,xxx mi) On 10/29/2013 7:54 PM, OK Don wrote: Try inviting mercedes@okiebenz.com and see what happens? I agree with the SR-71 being the most sexy aircraft, and thing the F104 is the second (not to fly, jsut to look at). P51 would be third, and P38 fourth. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am trying to figure out how to make it available in a shared folder on Dropbox but it looks like I have to invite specific people --R --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I was a kid I remember going to Grissom AFB in Indiana (it was called something else then, Bunker Hill I think) to an open house day, and getting to sit in the cockpit of one of these. I had built a plastic model of it, and thought it was soo cool. These things were so over the top. I understand that all the avionics generated so much heat (vacuum tubes), and took up so much space, that it was necessary to put all of it in an external pod that hung below the plane, and sorta negated a lot of the performance attributes it was designed for. I think it was the first Coke-bottle design for supersonic flight but the pod kinda killed that. Not sure where The Bomb was kept or how it could be dropped. It scared the rooshans though and kept Merka great and out of the hands of the filthy reds! Conelrad alert! Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPgur_cUmA#t=252 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used to do work on the flight line and NAV power systems there in the 80s. There was a refueling squadron based there as well as an A-10 wing that belonged to the Indiana National Guard. The A-10 is one ass-kicking aircraft. Got to sit in a cockpit of one once. Something about that 20mm cannon sticking out the front that made you feel very powerful. The ready room for the on duty flight crews of the refueling wing had a Missile Command video game. Always got a kick out of that.., Dan On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: When I was a kid I remember going to Grissom AFB in Indiana (it was called something else then, Bunker Hill I think) to an open house day, and getting to sit in the cockpit of one of these. I had built a plastic model of it, and thought it was soo cool. These things were so over the top. I understand that all the avionics generated so much heat (vacuum tubes), and took up so much space, that it was necessary to put all of it in an external pod that hung below the plane, and sorta negated a lot of the performance attributes it was designed for. I think it was the first Coke-bottle design for supersonic flight but the pod kinda killed that. Not sure where The Bomb was kept or how it could be dropped. It scared the rooshans though and kept Merka great and out of the hands of the filthy reds! Conelrad alert! Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPgur_cUmA#t=252 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Make that 30mm (GAU-8). -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt I used to do work on the flight line and NAV power systems there in the 80s. There was a refueling squadron based there as well as an A-10 wing that belonged to the Indiana National Guard. The A-10 is one ass-kicking aircraft. Got to sit in a cockpit of one once. Something about that 20mm cannon sticking out the front that made you feel very powerful. The ready room for the on duty flight crews of the refueling wing had a Missile Command video game. Always got a kick out of that.., Dan On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: When I was a kid I remember going to Grissom AFB in Indiana (it was called something else then, Bunker Hill I think) to an open house day, and getting to sit in the cockpit of one of these. I had built a plastic model of it, and thought it was soo cool. These things were so over the top. I understand that all the avionics generated so much heat (vacuum tubes), and took up so much space, that it was necessary to put all of it in an external pod that hung below the plane, and sorta negated a lot of the performance attributes it was designed for. I think it was the first Coke-bottle design for supersonic flight but the pod kinda killed that. Not sure where The Bomb was kept or how it could be dropped. It scared the rooshans though and kept Merka great and out of the hands of the filthy reds! Conelrad alert! Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPgur_cUmA#t=252 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I heard the other day where the term the whole nine yards came from. It refers to the length of an ammo belt on some fighter (was it a Spitfire?) -- when the pilot unloaded the whole thing that was the whole nine yards. --R On 10/28/13 5:36 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Make that 30mm (GAU-8). -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt I used to do work on the flight line and NAV power systems there in the 80s. There was a refueling squadron based there as well as an A-10 wing that belonged to the Indiana National Guard. The A-10 is one ass-kicking aircraft. Got to sit in a cockpit of one once. Something about that 20mm cannon sticking out the front that made you feel very powerful. The ready room for the on duty flight crews of the refueling wing had a Missile Command video game. Always got a kick out of that.., Dan On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: When I was a kid I remember going to Grissom AFB in Indiana (it was called something else then, Bunker Hill I think) to an open house day, and getting to sit in the cockpit of one of these. I had built a plastic model of it, and thought it was soo cool. These things were so over the top. I understand that all the avionics generated so much heat (vacuum tubes), and took up so much space, that it was necessary to put all of it in an external pod that hung below the plane, and sorta negated a lot of the performance attributes it was designed for. I think it was the first Coke-bottle design for supersonic flight but the pod kinda killed that. Not sure where The Bomb was kept or how it could be dropped. It scared the rooshans though and kept Merka great and out of the hands of the filthy reds! Conelrad alert! Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPgur_cUmA#t=252 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:40:37 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I heard the other day where the term the whole nine yards came from. It refers to the length of an ammo belt on some fighter (was it a Spitfire?) -- when the pilot unloaded the whole thing that was the whole nine yards. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_whole_nine_yards: The whole nine yards or full nine yards is a colloquial American phrase meaning everything, the whole lot Of course, in der Vaterland, it would be the whole 8.23 meters Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Thought Convair F-102 was first to use area rule (coke bottle design) in early 50's; enabled it to go supersonic. Convair B-58 soon thereafter. Fuel and nuke weapons in B-58 pod. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT One for Milt When I was a kid I remember going to Grissom AFB in Indiana (it was called something else then, Bunker Hill I think) to an open house day, and getting to sit in the cockpit of one of these. I had built a plastic model of it, and thought it was soo cool. These things were so over the top. I understand that all the avionics generated so much heat (vacuum tubes), and took up so much space, that it was necessary to put all of it in an external pod that hung below the plane, and sorta negated a lot of the performance attributes it was designed for. I think it was the first Coke-bottle design for supersonic flight but the pod kinda killed that. Not sure where The Bomb was kept or how it could be dropped. It scared the rooshans though and kept Merka great and out of the hands of the filthy reds! Conelrad alert! Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPgur_cUmA#t=252 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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--R wrote: Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities Not many delta wing aircraft used these days? Is delta wing used only for supersonic? Was blackbird delta wing? Interesting video - thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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B-58 Hustler was built in the time frame when Jet A was cheap and nukes had to be hand delivered. That era passed pretty quickly with the cold war and the missile silos built all over the place. Then came space with the capacity to put a nuke in orbit and leave it there, ready to drop on a moments notice for delivery anywhere on the earth in less time than it takes to run through the pre-flight checklist on the B-58... Then there is kinetic Energy Weapons system... it doesn't even use nuke... it's just a titanium pole [pick your size and diameter] dropped from space and guided by GPS or other secret guidance systems, so there is no launch signature. It's reported that delivery time from geosynchronous orbit is something on the order of 6 minutes from release to impact. For a weapon 10 ft long 10 inches diameter, it's reported that Impact at 64,000 MPH delivers energy on the same scale of a 5 to 8 megaton nuke, with zero fallout or residual.. It is unconfirmed, of course, that we may or may not have such a weapon in inventory, however, it is confirmed that Russia developed such a device. Presumption is, USA has equal or better... The leaked Russian code name for their weapon was Stalins Hammer... Why rush conventional weapons can come at any time of the night with the present stealth planes. You can't see them so they don't have to out run surface to air missiles. That way, politicians have time to make excuses. Isn't technology great? On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: --R wrote: Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities Not many delta wing aircraft used these days? Is delta wing used only for supersonic? Was blackbird delta wing? Interesting video - thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant wrote: Then came space with the capacity to put a nuke in orbit and leave it there, ready to drop on a moments notice for delivery anywhere on the earth in less time than it takes to run through the pre-flight checklist on the B-58... Say it ain't so. Really - nukes in orbit? What happens when they need to be changed? How do you revamp the weaponry? I gotta look up the kinetic energy weapons - sounds awesome terrible. We call this humanity? --Crash this train.-- We're still waitin for you to bring our troops home, clean up that mess you made. Cuz it smells of blood and money and oil across the Iraqi land. But its so easy here to blind us with your United We Stand mao - I think we are firetrukced!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not REALLY in orbit - merely the capacity/ability to PUT nukes in orbit. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt Grant wrote: Then came space with the capacity to put a nuke in orbit and leave it there, ready to drop on a moments notice for delivery anywhere on the earth in less time than it takes to run through the pre-flight checklist on the B-58... Say it ain't so. Really - nukes in orbit? What happens when they need to be changed? How do you revamp the weaponry? I gotta look up the kinetic energy weapons - sounds awesome terrible. We call this humanity? --Crash this train.-- We're still waitin for you to bring our troops home, clean up that mess you made. Cuz it smells of blood and money and oil across the Iraqi land. But its so easy here to blind us with your United We Stand mao - I think we are firetrukced!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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SR-71 blackbird has delta mid-to-aft plus chines up front. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT One for Milt --R wrote: Convair B-58 Hustler Low Level Bombing Capabilities Not many delta wing aircraft used these days? Is delta wing used only for supersonic? Was blackbird delta wing? Interesting video - thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
