Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-23 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote: > This must qualify (and win > first prize) as the largest bilking of customers in recorded time... Not really. Eisenhower warned of Military Industrial Complex, and then today's Pharma Industrial Complex and today's Medical Industrial Complex (poor okiebenz server owner Kleb) and

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
But the tunnels have always dropped panels and flooded, I seem to recall. I always loved the Sumner Tunnel, especially screaming down the tunnel out of Logan late at night in a rental car. Don’t cross those white lines! -D > On Aug 23, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
(Smell) "Big Dig" Fred Moir. Lynn MA. Diesel preferred. From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: 23 August 2017 15:46 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas Subject:

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-23 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
ich Thomas Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy And the incompetence. This is unbelievable, now we're into it for $9bil and they're talking another $2bil to unwind it. This must qualify (and win first prize) as the largest bilking of customers in recorded time,

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-23 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
oops http://www.postandcourier.com/business/scana-corp-applied-to-build-the-now-failed-nuclear-reactors/article_e59b6d6e-8809-11e7-8047-a7aaabd8ffef.html On 8/23/17 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: And the incompetence. This is unbelievable, now we're into it for $9bil and they're talking another

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-23 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
And the incompetence. This is unbelievable, now we're into it for $9bil and they're talking another $2bil to unwind it. This must qualify (and win first prize) as the largest bilking of customers in recorded time, all enabled by elected "representatives." Even larger than the collapse of

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
-D wrote: > I think if a utility is publicly owned, it should have to suffer... Are there of this arrangement? Is this system of public ownership and regulatory oversight failing? Are we United? or States? or Republic? or Democracy? Questions. tin.man ___

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote: > A perfect storm of incompetence and money and corruption. What's not to > like? Well, a new word is liked. Shall you guess which word? tin.man ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Except when you have a Public Service Commission that is also wrapped up in the politicians, and the other oversight organs that are controlled by the politicians. That is what happened here, the corruptocrats passed a law called the Base Load Review Act that basically put all risk on the

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I think if a utility is publicly owned, it should have to suffer the same fate that any publicly held company does when they make bad choices. Some might argue that this would put the public at risk, as we can’t have utility companies failing. My response to that is that if they were

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
-D wrote: > That’s my problem with publicly owned utilities that the states regulate. That doesn't sound political. Tell us more about your "problem" and what is a better system. Your solution is not likely to happen, but... neither is a lot of things DIY accomplishes. tin.man

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote: > The corruption in this state is incredible. Eh? You don't live in IL. tin.man ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Happened to me in Indiana years ago (Marble Hill) and hit us here in FL recently with Duke buying a broken plant (Crystal River) that had duct tape and baling wire repairs that they bought for pennies on the dollar that they were going to “fix up”. After determining that the bodged up repairs

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
"The corruption in every state is incredible." There.  I fixed it for you. Rick Who works in Crook County Illinois.  ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The nukes in MD have already been written off and no new ones are being built. Our local utility is also very solar friendly and pays me market rates for my PV generated roof top power. I can never understand why the southern tier of states - including AZ and NV -as well as FL and its neighbors

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
You missed the part that it has already been put on the backs of the ratepayers. We have paid for the it with bills 30-35% higher that they would have been otherwise, for years and years. The politicians are exactly to blame. The corruption in this state is incredible. Turns out the AG is

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I'm betting the path of least resistance will allow the utility write off the losses as a tax credit we will all subsidize. On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > A week or two ago the local power utility SCANA in partnership with the >

Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Need to fire and replace most if not all of the top management of the utility, and figure out a better solution than abandoning the project. - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > A week or two ago the local

[MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

2017-08-22 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
A week or two ago the local power utility SCANA in partnership with the state-owned utility Santee-Cooper decided to abandon a nuke power plant project that they have sunk like $8bil into. Rampant mismanagement, the contractors have gone bankrupt, would take another $8-10bil to finish. This