Our supplies are still restricted but we can at least get a mask that we
reuse. In the beginning even surgical masks were really scarce.
On Thu, May 21, 2020, 6:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> I read today that there are still shortages of PPE for health car
Full body PPE with duct tape sealing the tyvec boots and gloves.
clay
I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> On May 23, 2020, at 6:09 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Beekeeper hat?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 7:35 PM Clay via Me
I watched a movie a few months ago, where a group escaped from a Siberian
gulag and walked across China to India. At one point they were nearly
going mad from the mosquitoes, and while hiding from locals, they observed
that none of the locals were bothered at all. Finally one of the group
runs up
Rancid bear fat/grease. So the indigenous folk around Yellowknife claimed, or
something to that effect. I will say that commercial bug sprays appeared to do
little to discourage the beasts. Quite nasty.
-D
> On May 23, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Beekeeper hat?
Beekeeper hat?
-
Max
Charleston SC
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 7:35 PM Clay via Mercedes
wrote:
> I am told the early version are big and dumb, so simple to splatter. The
> later batches are educated, small and vicious. I will find out soon
> enough. Might need to set up a CO2 pump t
I am told the early version are big and dumb, so simple to splatter. The later
batches are educated, small and vicious. I will find out soon enough. Might
need to set up a CO2 pump to keep the bugs off me, or wear a backdoor screen
muumuu
clay
I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
Alaska state bird as I’ve been told. Thankfully, I was never there when they
were out. I tried to limit my visits to the fall or very early spring. I was in
Yellowknife, CN in June once, though. Dang things were so thick you couldn’t
breathe without a mask or bandanna.
-D
> On May 22, 2020, at
Personally I photosynthesize D vitamin in the buff. That tends to reduce
contact with others. Prominent protrusions are masked for my safety.
I did encounter a brand new level of hell. Mosquitoes all over, thick as
freshmen on a keg
clay
I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>
That is the whole basis of the current plague. Back down some very dark hole,
long ago, some bad man in china did a bad thing with a bad virus. Maybe he was
provided assistance by a doctor who works in allergy and infections in USA, or
a chinese researcher stole lab samples out of Canada, or a
>> They should have simply said "there are not >>enough masks and we need to
>> save them for >>healthcare workers, so for now we don't >>recommend the
>> public wear them. "
>Exactly. As I used to say when applying corporal >punishment to my son:
>"It's the _lying_ that got you the worst punis
I read today that there are still shortages of PPE for health care workers,
would you believe.
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 9:38 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > They should have simply said "there are not enough masks and
> > we need to save them for healthcare workers,
> They should have simply said "there are not enough masks and
> we need to save them for healthcare workers, so for now we don't recommend
> the public wear them. "
Exactly. As I used to say when applying corporal punishment to my son:
"It's the _lying_ that got you the worst punishment."
-- Ji
Well said, Karl. I wear a mask simply to improve my chances. I have no
illusion that it will be 100 percent effective if I enter a roomful of
infected patients on ventilators.
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 4:59 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Brosseau is very knowledg
Brosseau is very knowledgable in terms of the science behind masks. She is
much less of an expert in the science of how viruses are transmitted, and
she and many others have been caught with their pants down by covid 19. In
March, CIDRAP published this piece by her, which was essentially saying
tha
Well the study says that is not the case, the mask will not filter the smaller
particles. Worse, the mask may impart a false sense of security, so the
infected and victim remain too close for too long, and transmission / infection
happens.
If I were worried, I'd talk with my doctor about proph
It's the ones who are not showing symptoms yet but are spewing virii that
the mask will protect YOU from if THEY are wearing one.
That's how a mask helps to reduce the spread of the virus.
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:11 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> https://justthen
That's called cherry picking.
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:11 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
>
> Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both expert
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory protection
and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of Chicago (Brosseau
is retired). On Ap
I walked up the very tall Metro escalator at Bethesda wearing my N95 mask
and was slightly winded at the top, but not much more so than normally
(sans mask). Maybe 5 percent?
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:51 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Surgical masks and cloth m
Surgical masks and cloth masks are far less restrictive than n95s. Here is
an article on n95s in healthcare workers. If a nurse can do this for 12h
walking all over the place without any issues, the rest of us can tolerate
cloth masks for a trip to the grocery store.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.go
> They have a cloth face mask, and are holding it under the blow dryer. Why?
Likely they washed it at the sink.
-- Jim
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From a woman who operates a hair salon. Reopened for 3 days: " I’m
trying to be so good with this face mask thing to protect my clients. I
am pretty sure it effects my hearing, clogs my brain and makes me
exhausted. By Saturday it will make me drink!"
I have no doubt that people in the medica
Yesterday’s local paper has a VERY long article about the impact of re-opening
the economy and the impact of bathrooms. The inability to access, keep clean
enough, provide enhanced sanitation and products, sealing off of urinals,
removal of door to the pot, swapping out basins, drying apparatus
>They have a cloth face mask, and are holding it under the blow dryer.
Yep. Blowing viruses all over the place. I'd probably bitch to do away with the
hand dryers.
The same goes for the industrial grade shitters in the jails, hospitals and
nursing homes. Take a virus that is shed in feces, and
I was at our emergency operations center the other day. Went to the restroom.
After using the urinal, I was waiting for the person ahead of me to finish at
the sink. We have hand dryers, the high speed heated blower things. I’m trying
to be patient while I stand to one side and wait for this per
My understanding it that all the masking is DISPOSABLE, like supposed to be
single use, not constant use. Unless somebody has a massive stockpile of mask
in a box, they are re-using a polluted scrap of cloth, multiple times a day,
that has gathered the toxic waste products of the distanced peop
The wearing of masks is showing a marked increase in property crimes with
expected rise in lead poisonings as more civilians and enforcement officials
are confronted with ambiguous situations where cutlery and unconventional
behaviour is exhibited.
At least that is the reporting from several me
The homemade masks have been studied pretty well. It is true the spun
polypropylene is pretty breathable, but in general the problem with most
homemade masks is that they dont filter small particles nearly as well as
the surgical masks. The more layers of different fabrics they have, the
better the
Very few people outside hospitals wear or have access to surgical
masks. Most people are wearing home made is lam coverings. THe
oxygen deprivation and/or CO2 accumulation is unknown for these, and is
probably in line with the results of the study you want to trash outright.
Karl Wittnebe
Masks could be helpful. The evidence is not great as Max alludes, but they
definitely do not increase transmission and look increasingly like they
provide benefit in preventing transmission. There are no harmful effects;
whoever wrote the O2 thing is full of BS.
This was a recent summary, with ref
Peter, here's a study that should bring you great comfort.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092485792030145X?via%3Dihub
There is a very effective drug therapy that appears to be 100% effective at
preventing Wuhan Red Death from causing COVID-19. Rather than lock-down
and enforc
Peter, read the article, the mask lowers the blood oxygen level. Or don't, and
just accept that masks are not the answer.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 19, 2020 10:34:50 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes :
> There is no "re-infection" due to a mask. The virus is all over the
> body, but on
There is no "re-infection" due to a mask. The virus is all over the body, but
only infects cells with the correct receptor protein. It is already in your
nose and throat, that's where the droplets are produced that permit
transmission of the virus.
The mask will slightly raise CO2 blood level
If you are spewing virii, I doubt that re-breathing thru the mask will be a
significant factor. What is significant is that you didn't spew those virii
at me.
There is a therapy (I forget the name) that restricts airflow to force you
to breath harder to get enough O2, thus strengthening your muscle
On Tue, 19 May 2020 08:46:07 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
wrote:
> "No, they wear masks during surgery to contain any sort of virus or
> bacteria they may have from infecting the patient while they are opened
> up for surgery. "
>
> Bingo -- and masks are highly effective at that, which in
"No, they wear masks during surgery to contain any sort of virus or bacteria
they may have from infecting the patient while they are opened up for surgery. "
Bingo -- and masks are highly effective at that, which invalidates the opinion
piece completely.
The point of the mask is much more to pr
No, they wear masks during surgery to contain any sort of virus or bacteria
they may have from infecting the patient while they are opened up for surgery.
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> On May 19, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> There is no science in that "study" -- it's
There is no science in that "study" -- it's an opinion piece.
There is absolutely NO evidence that wearing a face mask "concentrates" the
virus and causes infection of the brain, the virus is already circulating in
the bloodstream.
If any of this was true surgeons would not wear masks in surg
Ok all you "believe the science" people, here's some science about wearing
masks.
https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/
Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy
As for the scientific support for the use of face mask, a recent careful
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