Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-13 Thread MG via Mercedes
The rods I was talking about are specifically for aluminum. I think with cast iron you might be better off with brazing with brass rods. Usually pretty strong in cast iron. Lots of old engine blocks were fixed with that. I'm talking like 30's and 40's stuff. Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Brass works well, but I don't think you're going to get there without acetylene. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/lis

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-13 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: G Mann Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question Suggestion: Since you have the broken piece, which likely broke due to casting porosity, clean the engine case really well, and the broken off piece, then send Mr. JB Weld to work. I would use a grinding

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Suggestion: Since you have the broken piece, which likely broke due to casting porosity, clean the engine case really well, and the broken off piece, then send Mr. JB Weld to work. I would use a grinding burr to rough up the surface to be "glued on" so you get past the casting porosity area, and m

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Think that'll stick to cast iron? Pretty sure that's what the case is made > of but I have the specs around here I can check. I doubt you could get the block hot enough for it to stick using a propane torch. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've had poor luck with the regular red Sta-bil, at one point I had a bottle that clotted, there were little red blobs floating around. What do you do when your stabilizer needs stabilizer?That said I've got a bottle of blue marine Sta-bil at camp thats probably 5 years old and seems fine.I mos

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
List > Cc: MG > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question > > How about using some of that aluminum solder rod that the AC people use to > solder the aluminum lines in AC units. You could solder the perch right back > onto the case. You may even be able to

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Hi Jim,     Wow!  You have managed to perfectly describe my social scene, my financial status and how I manage my time (and some other stuff I suspect).   Yikes, it's spooky! You're quite the Savant! ;-) Larry On 02/12/2019 5:17 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: When talking to your friends

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Cool!  That's actually the exact size/configuration I need!  I'll watch HF for their sales.  Thanks for the heads up! Larry On 02/12/2019 4:56 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: If you are looking for a new engine you might want to look at Harbor freight. If you buy at the right time you could get 25%

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
If one was loose it came that way from the factory.   I guess their QC program might be lacking...  One of the things that impressed me when I started taking things apart was how snug (tight actually) the fasteners were.  I'm sure there must be some torque wrench settings that aren't set proper

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Yeah, push button is nice.  but the battery wasn't charging properly on 1 jan (the date it died) and we started it with the pull rope - started instantly which surprised me.  Also, I may have a compression release because it pulled so easy. Yeah, waiting til Spring would be ideal, but here in

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
You know, now that you mention it, I may have some of those alum rods to "braze" with - I think I have some that will melt using propane but I hopefully left the instructions with the rods.   I'll look tomorrow. Think that'll stick to cast iron?  Pretty sure that's what the case is made of but

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Really, at this point #4 would be a no-brainer, as the investment in materials and time is minimal with a chance of a very positive result. I would try it. WTH, why not? -D > On Feb 12, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > When talking to your friends and neighbors, which

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
When talking to your friends and neighbors, which is more satisfying? 1) I bought another generator 2) I bought a parts generator and made one out of two 3) I bought a new harbor freight engine for my generator 4) I fixed the broken block on my generator with JB-Weld #4 also doesn't really cost a

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread MG via Mercedes
If you are looking for a new engine you might want to look at Harbor freight. If you buy at the right time you could get 25% off or more. Right now their 420cc horizontal shaft engine is $360. Wait for a sale and it will go down. I bought a 6 hp engine to replace the 30 year old B&S cast iro

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread MG via Mercedes
The last time I did one of those air gap was .010 in. Should still be the same. Used to be a feeler gauge set always had a brass .010 blade on it for just that use. It probably doesn't matter too much other then a larger gap would make a weaker spark and too small a gap could cause the flywhe

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Thats a pretty big one. Electric start is pretty nice. If you don't need it right away the best time to look is in spring. Somebody buys a generator during an outage and in the spring gets rid of it because they "Won't need that again." or they bought one 2 years ago, the gas got some water in

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Hi Curt, It's a 7000w with 10.5Kw peak.   The engine is 420cc and while I have been unable to locate the HP it is supposed to be 14-ish.  It's called a B&S Type 2100 w/elec. start, if interested. Thanks for the suggestion to look at CL, I will hopefully find a repl engine or suitable Generato

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread MG via Mercedes
How about using some of that aluminum solder rod that the AC people use to solder the aluminum lines in AC units. You could solder the perch right back onto the case. You may even be able to build it up a bit to make it hold better. Should be stronger then JB weld. I used some to fix a hole i

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
With all glues I like to use stronger filler and only gap-fill with glue. So, find a nut or bolt that fits into your hole and glue that into place, etc. I have no idea about the tolerances of the air gap, but I'm guessing it's a lot less fussy than points. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
I thought that kind of stuff only happened to me!  Condolences. Thanks for the suggestion!  I suppose I could fill the hole with JB and shape it so I'd have room to drill and tap it.  Then it would just be a matter of finding the right spacers and washers (which I've been "collecting" for 50 y

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
What size is the generator?If it were me I'd either 1. troll Craigslist for a replacement similar to what you have for a fraction of the new price 2. Buy a "Champion" brand from FLAPS or Tractor Supply or whatever. We have one at camp, we've had it, I forget, 6 or 7 years and its been great. C

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I think if you were so inclined you could absolutely fabricate some kind of JB-Weld attached perch for your coil. Might take a bit of doing, but could it be all that worse than my welding the crankcase back together on my tiller when it threw a rod through the side? -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-02-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Hi Guys, Finally had the weather and inclination to work on the generator. following your suggestion to check the fuel, I removed all fuel from the tank and let it air out, then hooked my battery charger to the battery and then cranked and check for spark.  I got zero spark while cranking and

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-14 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
This is the main reason I went to LP for my standby generator: storage. Natural gas would be OK too if available (not here) and dependable during an emergency. LP also powers my kitchen stove and two fireplaces, a bonus. I can keep the place habitable in winter with one direct-vent fireplace

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think I've been misunderstood, he dumps it back into the big can. That way if the saw accidentally gets left for a long time its had the good gas in it. He goes through a quart of canned gas in like 2 years... -Curt On Monday, January 14, 2019, 8:44:08 AM EST, Mitch Haley wrote: >

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2019-01-14 Thread MG via Mercedes
That kind of stuff is what made me buy a battery chainsaw. At 40 volts with two 4 amp and two 2 amp batteries I can cut wood for 30 min straight. That uses up one tank of oil for the chain and at my age is all I want to do. Any more then that and I end up hurting so this way not only do I not

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 14, 2019 at 7:01 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Buddy Been cuts trees into firewood as a side gig. He cuts on pump gas, at > the end of each day he dumps the pump gas and runs a little canned gas in. > His "cheap" saw cost more than twice as much as my good saw...

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think it's the steady diet. I don't have any issues in anything that gets run regularly, it's when they sit for an extended period that problems appear.The snowmobiles are the worst, run hard, get wet, sit all summer under a tarp...Seafoam gas additive helps a lot. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail o

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Buddy Been cuts trees into firewood as a side gig. He cuts on pump gas, at the end of each day he dumps the pump gas and runs a little canned gas in. His "cheap" saw cost more than twice as much as my good saw... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 4:36 PM, Curley

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curley wrote: > I have not taken my stihl in because it needed a rebuild in ~40 > years. I mix a gallon a year, and use it to light bonfires etc, > and yes, it has ethanol in it.   I don't know what you folk do different - or what it is that I do different. But my experience is _zero_ fuel tro

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2019-01-13 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Oil consumption is measured in hours per quart, with different engines, cylinders, and ring configurations giving different results. Ours gets about 5 hours per quart of Phillips 20W-50. We have chromed cylinders and iron rings - which burn more oil than stell cylinders and chrome rings. However, t

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 13, 2019 at 4:17 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Bear in mind that large air cooled aircraft engines > have much looser tolerances due to the wide temp swings in operation, thus > more fuel can get into the crankcase. My 1977 Saab would go 10,000 miles without appreciable oil

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I have not taken my stihl in because it needed a rebuild in ~40 years.  I mix a gallon a year, and use it to light bonfires etc,  and yes, it has ethanol in it.   But I do dump the tank and run the saw dry each time it is stored for any length of time. True, if I only used the canned mixed gas

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
The last time it was tried was in the '70's when Mobil came out with a semi synthetic AV oil. The lead in the oil formed a sludge that blocked oil passages in the engines. IIRC, there were law suits and Mobil pulled the oil from the market. Bear in mind that large air cooled aircraft engines have m

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
You can't use synthetic oil with low lead gas in a piston engine airplane? I always used to use 89 octane leaded gas in my Saab with 5W30 Mobil One. The 'pump gas plus $2' for 100LL holds true here, but they put the E0 pump gas in the middle instead of closer to the price of E10. Mitch. > On

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2019-01-13 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Here in OK, E0 is 20 - 30 cents more per gallon than E1o, and 100LL is $2.00 more per gallon. I run E0 in the Cessna as much as possible. Lead fouling of plugs and rings is still a problem for aircraft engines, and eliminated synthetic oil as an option. On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:35 AM Mitch Haley

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2019-01-13 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
https://www.menards.com/main/tools-hardware/automotive/automotive-maintenance/motor-oil-filters/trufuel-reg-50-1-mix-engineered-fuel-oil/6525638/p-1485847166612-c-9112.htm?tid=5454550268061549339&ipos=6 15% off this week with the sale bag. Rick ___ http://www.

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 13, 2019 at 3:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > White gas doesn't have any octane, so no. The hardware store has cans of E0 > in various 2 stroke mixes, something like $15/gal but the saw and weed eater > like it. My buddy in the Stihl story has been running that s

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
They rented you a $1000 tool with the agreement you'd only use the special fuel in it, you used other stuff anyway, and demanded they refund your money? Here's a true story that made me somewhat mad just hearing about it. A friend of mine loaned his Stihl saw to his boss at the university, along

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
White gas doesn't have any octane, so no. The hardware store has cans of E0 in various 2 stroke mixes, something like $15/gal but the saw and weed eater like it. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:38 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Canned gas?  Same as white gas, for Co

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2019-01-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Last couple of times I rented a concrete saw, they made me buy the stuff.  The first time I returned it, unopened with no complaint.   The last time, it was a different kid, and he whined and didn't wanna give me a refund on it, Had ta use it Blah, blah...   I stayed there until they took it ba

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
no, the deal now is the chainsaw companies want to sell you a liter of benzin/oil for $8.   I think husquarna started it, but Stihl has it now.   the under 50 crowd is too inept to mix gas and oil. Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 1/13/19 1:38 PM: Canned gas? Same as white gas, for Coleman st

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2019-01-13 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Canned gas? Same as white gas, for Coleman stove? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On January 13, 2019 1:30:44 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >I've been buying the canned stuff for the saw. It's expensive but I >only use maybe a half gallon a year and as it doesn't go bad it's worth >it.

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've been buying the canned stuff for the saw. It's expensive but I only use maybe a half gallon a year and as it doesn't go bad it's worth it. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > On January 13, 2019 at 6:56 AM Larry T

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 13, 2019 at 11:46 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > I suspect the gas in my Gen is > much older than the fuel in the gas cans - maybe going back to 2012.  Ouch. Now I'm leaning strongly towards a fuel inlet screen in the carb being clogged. How long did the generator

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thanks Max,     Sounds like a plan.  Once I drain the bowl I'll know better how much water I may have in my gas cans.  I suspect the gas in my Gen is much older than the fuel in the gas cans - maybe going back to 2012.  The gas cans are used for the lawn mowers and usually end up empty at some

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 13, 2019 at 9:41 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > I wonder how gasoline would store in (sealed) propane tanks? No atmospheric > exchange at all, so no change in volatile fractions or water; no continuing > supply > of free oxygen for oxidation of volatiles. Just the oxyg

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 13, 2019 at 6:56 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: >   I wish the corn > farmers would let that go!  Five years ago, if I wanted petroleum based gasoline, I could go to the airplane pumps (at airstrips that aren't staffed 24/7) and get a jug of 100LL, or I could drive 90 mil

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Now it seems like even that [fuel storage] is a bad idea. Storing _gasoline_ is the bad idea. Diesel, and especially propane, store well. You can stock up on gasoline for an anticipated emergency. But after the threat has passed you must use it up somehow, because it _won't_ keep. I wonder h

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Blue pumps here. Costs about the same as premium unleaded. Only stuff I use in any gasoline powered off road equipment. Well worth the additional cost. -D > On Jan 13, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Larry, > > Sounds like you simply need to drain / clean the carb, d

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Larry, Sounds like you simply need to drain / clean the carb, drain and refill the tank. Take old stale gas to a recycling place. I only store fuel that is ethanol free. In my area, many gas stations have a dedicated pump just for ethanol free. Fill my storage as necessary, add a stabilizer,

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 09:10:56 -0500 Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: >       One thing I noticed about Mr Funnel was the FAQ saying "Do not > fill from a gas pump into portable fuel containers using Mr. Funnel" > which would seem to make it much more difficult to use.  Am I supposed > to take

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
      One thing I noticed about Mr Funnel was the FAQ saying "Do not fill from a gas pump into portable fuel containers using Mr. Funnel" which would seem to make it much more difficult to use.  Am I supposed to take my Gen to the gas station whenever it needs fuel?   That would negate a lot of

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
I watched the video and all the pages on their site but never saw any price.  Any idea? Larry On 01/12/2019 11:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 21:10:19 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Put a can under the carb bowl, remove the bolt at center of float bowl, drop bowl, wit

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thank you Sir!  I will check that 1st and let ya'll know.  Sounds like a definite likelihood.  Hope that's it, then I won't have to worry about testing the black boxes.  Ethanol in the fuel has caused problem for me in small engines before, usually the needle and seat.  I wish the corn farmers

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-13 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thanks Mitch, That was how I proceeded so far.  Asked my wife to hold the spark plug wire while I pulled the started but she declined.  Probably good as if I had done that she's still be making my life miserable. ;-) When the Gen stopped (in the dark and cold naturally) I topped it off but no g

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-12 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I have two sizes of that funnel great idea... doesn't work that well. The fuel in the generator tank will absorb water if it's ethanol "enhanced fuel" which it all is today, unless you search for untreated fuel and pay a premium for it Think, "Scotch and water"... does the scotch float

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 21:10:19 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Put a can under the carb bowl, remove the bolt at center of float bowl, > drop bowl, with contents into can.. Inspect for water Bet that is > your problem.. > > Ethanol gas is hydroscopic.. it draws moisture and absorbs it .. sa

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-12 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Check the carb float bowl for water. Your post says engine speed increased or sound changed before shutdown... Water in fuel migrates into the float bowl... and accumulates in the bottom, as water level increases, less and less fuel can pass through the main jet in the center of the carb just abo

Re: [MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
The old way to manage the 'oil alert' shutoff was to short out the ignition like an ignition switch does. Some generators have a solenoid on the carb operated by the oil level switch, usually through a control box. If the engine note changed before shutdown, the shutdown wasn't purely electri

[MBZ] OT Troybilt Portable Generator Question

2019-01-12 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Hi Gang,     Had a power outage recently (Jan 1) and used our Troybilt Portable Generator (with a Briggs & Stratton engine) so we didn't lose the stuff in out freezer.  So a few hours into the outage, we were going to bed and could hear the generator cranking away.   An hour or 2 later, I hear