Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
I have used new motor oil when I have run out of bar oil but would never use sump oil, as the amount of oil a bar uses during a few cuts is not worth the black mess and potential for damage. Hendrik with a puny little electric chain saw Mitch Haley wrote: 1. Using used motor oil for chain oil is the environmental equivalent of pouring it on the ground. 2. It makes cleaning and maintaining the chain saw a messy pain in the arse. 3. Bar oil has a tacky additive in it to make it cling to the chain, motor oil does not. http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?p=1921188#post1921188 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
Soot = Carbon = Lubricant My $.02 I used waste oil for many years on my 7 cord/year chain saw, ran fine. Caused no super fun site in my yard. Money saved when properly invested has allowed me to move up to oil heat in my dotage. -- Pete Arnold 32° There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway On 3/6/2010 9:41 PM, OK Don wrote: Umm - that soot made it through the oil filter many times -- I doubt that will be an issue. Sticky is another matter though. On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: S'not sticky like BC oil is though... I'd also be concerned if it were diesel oil about it clogging the injector or whatever it is that meters the oil out. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
I don't know enough about how the oil gets from the reservoir to the chain. My Husky only uses half a tank of chain oil to each tank of gas so I presume it injects a relatively small amount when it oils... -Curt Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 20:41:50 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar Message-ID: 437bc981003061841g2e1a6e7cjceb264c40a871...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Umm - that soot made it through the oil filter many times -- I doubt that will be an issue. Sticky is another matter though. On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: S'not sticky like BC oil is though... I'd also be concerned if it were diesel oil about it clogging the injector or whatever it is that meters the oil out. -Curt -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
Soot = Carbon = Lubricant Diamond dust = Carbon = Lubricant? Soot is abrasive. (Graphite is not.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using drain oil in my chainsaw for years. I also really don't buy the argument that is really much worse for the enviroment then the regular bar oil you would be dripping everywhere. Sorry, I'm with Mitch here. It's bad enough to get _clean_ motor oil into the water table, considering all the poisonous additives in it. Dirty motor oil is orders of magnitude worse. Bar oil, I'd wager, has fewer additives and is therefore a lot cleaner. You still shouldn't be pouring it down the storm drain, but you have to put _something_ in your chain saw. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
Where do the heavy metals that were suspended in the oil go? Opps, nobody likes that question. Pete On 3/7/2010 3:01 PM, LWB250 wrote: Do what we do at the shop - burn it for heat. We collect enough waste oil over the year to fill a couple of 300 gallon tanks. It gets pumped into our waste oil furnace, and usually does the job of heating our large shop for most of the winter. Add to that the lack of dealing with the EPA/environmental issues and it's been money well spent. Dan --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 2:41 PM On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Peter Hertzingphertz...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using drain oil in my chainsaw for years. I also really don't buy the argument that is really much worse for the enviroment then the regular bar oil you would be dripping everywhere. Sorry, I'm with Mitch here. It's bad enough to get _clean_ motor oil into the water table, considering all the poisonous additives in it. Dirty motor oil is orders of magnitude worse. Bar oil, I'd wager, has fewer additives and is therefore a lot cleaner. You still shouldn't be pouring it down the storm drain, but you have to put _something_ in your chain saw. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
Back to the environment they were taken from? Usualy it's iron, aluminum, chromium, copper in most engines. On Mar 7, 2010 4:21 PM, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Where do the heavy metals that were suspended in the oil go? Opps, nobody likes that question. Pete On 3/7/2010 3:01 PM, LWB250 wrote: Do what we do at the shop - burn it for heat. We colle... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
Good question. There are a couple of filters ahead of the burner, and anything that has any weight to it at all would probably come out of suspension and collect on the bottoms of our tanks. This is the furnace we have: http://www.cleanburn.com/products/cb2500.htm Interestingly, they don't say anything about the stuff in the used oil. Could be that combustion temperatures are high enough it burns it in the process. Dan --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: From: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 4:21 PM Where do the heavy metals that were suspended in the oil go? Opps, nobody likes that question. Pete On 3/7/2010 3:01 PM, LWB250 wrote: Do what we do at the shop - burn it for heat. We collect enough waste oil over the year to fill a couple of 300 gallon tanks. It gets pumped into our waste oil furnace, and usually does the job of heating our large shop for most of the winter. Add to that the lack of dealing with the EPA/environmental issues and it's been money well spent. Dan --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 2:41 PM On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Peter Hertzingphertz...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using drain oil in my chainsaw for years. I also really don't buy the argument that is really much worse for the enviroment then the regular bar oil you would be dripping everywhere. Sorry, I'm with Mitch here. It's bad enough to get _clean_ motor oil into the water table, considering all the poisonous additives in it. Dirty motor oil is orders of magnitude worse. Bar oil, I'd wager, has fewer additives and is therefore a lot cleaner. You still shouldn't be pouring it down the storm drain, but you have to put _something_ in your chain saw. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
I was cutting some firewood today and ran out of oil I use for the bar/chain, which is generally whatever old random cans of motor oil I have found here and there. I am about out of old random cans of motor oil -- found one more back in the garage of some ancient straight 40W, and tripped over about 6 jugs of used oil I have sitting in the garage, and got to thinking that stuff might be fine for lubing the chain while cutting. Aside from the potential to get some nasty black oil here and there, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work. And it will keep me in bar/chain oil until I die or Armageddon occurs. Thoughts? Would this be the best oil to use (most of it is synthetic Mobil1)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
It's probably better quality stuff than the bar oil that you buy... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 6, 2010, at 17:17, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I was cutting some firewood today and ran out of oil I use for the bar/chain, which is generally whatever old random cans of motor oil I have found here and there. I am about out of old random cans of motor oil -- found one more back in the garage of some ancient straight 40W, and tripped over about 6 jugs of used oil I have sitting in the garage, and got to thinking that stuff might be fine for lubing the chain while cutting. Aside from the potential to get some nasty black oil here and there, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work. And it will keep me in bar/chain oil until I die or Armageddon occurs. Thoughts? Would this be the best oil to use (most of it is synthetic Mobil1)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
The bar and chain will like it fine; you and SWMBO may not like where it drips or spatters off the chain. Try it, and see how it goes. If some gets on the wood, is it gonna smear on somebody's hand, clothing, etc., when feeding a stove/heater? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar I was cutting some firewood today and ran out of oil I use for the bar/chain, which is generally whatever old random cans of motor oil I have found here and there. I am about out of old random cans of motor oil -- found one more back in the garage of some ancient straight 40W, and tripped over about 6 jugs of used oil I have sitting in the garage, and got to thinking that stuff might be fine for lubing the chain while cutting. Aside from the potential to get some nasty black oil here and there, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work. And it will keep me in bar/chain oil until I die or Armageddon occurs. Thoughts? Would this be the best oil to use (most of it is synthetic Mobil1)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
If some gets on the wood, is it gonna smear on somebody's hand, clothing, etc., when feeding a stove/heater? You mean, like pitch does? Oil'll probably soak into the wood and disappear, unlike the pitch! I should use that. I've got some 40 gallons in the garage, and I'm almost out of bar oil again... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
1. Using used motor oil for chain oil is the environmental equivalent of pouring it on the ground. 2. It makes cleaning and maintaining the chain saw a messy pain in the arse. 3. Bar oil has a tacky additive in it to make it cling to the chain, motor oil does not. http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?p=1921188#post1921188 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
It is a little thinner and dirtier than the bar oil. However, I have used it for some time with my chain saws and I can not tell any difference in the wear of the chain/bar. -Original Message- From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, Mar 6, 2010 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar The bar and chain will like it fine; you and SWMBO may not like where it drips or spatters off the chain. Try it, and see how it goes. If some gets on the wood, is it gonna smear on somebody's hand, clothing, etc., when feeding a stove/heater? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar I was cutting some firewood today and ran out of oil I use for the bar/chain, which is generally whatever old random cans of motor oil I have found here and there. I am about out of old random cans of motor oil -- found one more back in the garage of some ancient straight 40W, and tripped over about 6 jugs of used oil I have sitting in the garage, and got to thinking that stuff might be fine for lubing the chain while cutting. Aside from the potential to get some nasty black oil here and there, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work. And it will keep me in bar/chain oil until I die or Armageddon occurs. Thoughts? Would this be the best oil to use (most of it is synthetic Mobil1)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
Yeah, I know the oil'll soak/seep, what about residual carbon (black from Diesel engine oil)? That was the point of my concern. Will all of that carbon soak in and be nonsmearable? Just trying to caution him not to get black Diesel engine oil on his $50k antique oriental carpet. Like I said, try it. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar If some gets on the wood, is it gonna smear on somebody's hand, clothing, etc., when feeding a stove/heater? You mean, like pitch does? Oil'll probably soak into the wood and disappear, unlike the pitch! I should use that. I've got some 40 gallons in the garage, and I'm almost out of bar oil again... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
'Bout 22 years ago, while preparing the house/lot where we live now, I was using a chain saw on a Saturday afternoon to clear dead trees, etc. 'Needed chain oil; told SWMBO to go to service station 2 blocks away and get a quart of the cheapest motor oil they had. She came back a few minutes later and said they didn't have any. I jumped in the van and rushed to the station; walked in and asked, Do you guys really not have any motor oil? Guy responded, Yes, but she said you are gonna use it in a chain saw. We don't have chain saw oil. My response, I just wanta buy a quart of your cheapest motor oil. It's irrelevant what I'll use it for. They had asked her what she wanted it for, so she told 'em I was gonna use it in the chain saw, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar 1. Using used motor oil for chain oil is the environmental equivalent of pouring it on the ground. 2. It makes cleaning and maintaining the chain saw a messy pain in the arse. 3. Bar oil has a tacky additive in it to make it cling to the chain, motor oil does not. http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?p=1921188#post1921188 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
I've been using drain oil in my chainsaw for years. I also really don't buy the argument that is really much worse for the enviroment then the regular bar oil you would be dripping everywhere. I'm sure in an industrail setting, cutting thousands of trees in a saw mill it would make a difference. Peter On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Bout 22 years ago, while preparing the house/lot where we live now, I was using a chain saw on a Saturday afternoon to clear dead trees, etc. 'Needed chain oil; told SWMBO to go to service station 2 blocks away and get a quart of the cheapest motor oil they had. She came back a few minutes later and said they didn't have any. I jumped in the van and rushed to the station; walked in and asked, Do you guys really not have any motor oil? Guy responded, Yes, but she said you are gonna use it in a chain saw. We don't have chain saw oil. My response, I just wanta buy a quart of your cheapest motor oil. It's irrelevant what I'll use it for. They had asked her what she wanted it for, so she told 'em I was gonna use it in the chain saw, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar 1. Using used motor oil for chain oil is the environmental equivalent of pouring it on the ground. 2. It makes cleaning and maintaining the chain saw a messy pain in the arse. 3. Bar oil has a tacky additive in it to make it cling to the chain, motor oil does not. http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?p=1921188#post1921188 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
S'not sticky like BC oil is though... I'd also be concerned if it were diesel oil about it clogging the injector or whatever it is that meters the oil out. -Curt Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 17:34:12 -0500 From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar Message-ID: 54c35330-52e9-4063-8c77-2b7a29d7e...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes It's probably better quality stuff than the bar oil that you buy... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 6, 2010, at 17:17, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I was cutting some firewood today and ran out of oil I use for the bar/chain, which is generally whatever old random cans of motor oil I have found here and there. I am about out of old random cans of motor oil -- found one more back in the garage of some ancient straight 40W, and tripped over about 6 jugs of used oil I have sitting in the garage, and got to thinking that stuff might be fine for lubing the chain while cutting. Aside from the potential to get some nasty black oil here and there, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work. And it will keep me in bar/chain oil until I die or Armageddon occurs. Thoughts? Would this be the best oil to use (most of it is synthetic Mobil1)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Used oil for chain saw bar
Umm - that soot made it through the oil filter many times -- I doubt that will be an issue. Sticky is another matter though. On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: S'not sticky like BC oil is though... I'd also be concerned if it were diesel oil about it clogging the injector or whatever it is that meters the oil out. -Curt -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com