Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Vintage Usenet thing, I’m showing my age. Amazingly true, however.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
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> Somehow I'd managed to never hear of it but it's a pretty good rule.
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law 
> 
> 
> Curt
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> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> End of thread - Godwin’s Law.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
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> > Barbaric is a better word. Are you comparing Gov. Baker to the Nazis?
> > 
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
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> >> On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
> >>> shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
> >> 
> >> Is it too political to point out that Annelies (Anne) Frank would not
> >> have lasted a week if 1940s Dutch behaved like 2020s Americans?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Somehow I'd managed to never hear of it but it's a pretty good rule.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Curt

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  On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   End of thread - Godwin’s Law.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Barbaric is a better word. Are you comparing Gov. Baker to the Nazis?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
>>> shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
>> 
>> Is it too political to point out that Annelies (Anne) Frank would not
>> have lasted a week if 1940s Dutch behaved like 2020s Americans?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

End of thread - Godwin’s Law.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Barbaric is a better word. Are you comparing Gov. Baker to the Nazis?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
>>> shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
>> 
>> Is it too political to point out that Annelies (Anne) Frank would not
>> have lasted a week if 1940s Dutch behaved like 2020s Americans?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Barbaric is a better word. Are you comparing Gov. Baker to the Nazis?

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
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> > He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
> > shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
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> have lasted a week if 1940s Dutch behaved like 2020s Americans?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

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On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.


Is it too political to point out that Annelies (Anne) Frank would not 
have lasted a week if 1940s Dutch behaved like 2020s Americans?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The governor is a "Republican", we all "MA Republican" anyway. He's said he 
can't legally force people to stay home and he can't force people not to gather 
in private homes, so he at least has some respect for the limits of law.
He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has shades of 
WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
-Curt

On Monday, December 21, 2020, 10:56:21 AM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 You live in MA, right?  Will never happen...

--FT

On 12/21/20 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> My governor wants to close gyms even though he admits that the bulk of new 
> COVID cases are from holiday parties at private homes. I wrote him an email 
> suggesting he fix his rectal/cranial inversion.
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You live in MA, right?  Will never happen...

--FT

On 12/21/20 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

My governor wants to close gyms even though he admits that the bulk of new 
COVID cases are from holiday parties at private homes. I wrote him an email 
suggesting he fix his rectal/cranial inversion.
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Those kind of vision experiences are why I've started dialing back my blood 
pressure medication. If I jumped out of bed to go to the bathroom I needed to 
know where the wall was so I could catch myself. Now only taking the pill 4 
days a week those symptoms have gone from 50% of the time to about 10%. If I 
sit up and pause for a second before I get up it never happens.My BP checking 
machine says I'm normal, as low as 117/78, never more than 121/82. These are 
the lowest readings I've ever had. 

My governor wants to close gyms even though he admits that the bulk of new 
COVID cases are from holiday parties at private homes. I wrote him an email 
suggesting he fix his rectal/cranial inversion.
-Curt

On Saturday, December 19, 2020, 4:18:19 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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 On 2020-12-19 15:57, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> Thanks for these numbers and explanation.  I got one of those finger 
> things
> back when COVID started. I notice about 95% resting (watching TV) but 
> 95-97%
> if more active.  Seemed counterintuitive but this explains it
> 

Yes, Karl, thanks for the explanation.
My resting sat is 95% also.

If I think about exhaling fully through my mouth, it shoots up to 
97-98%, but 99% just doesn't happen for me.

I wonder what it was like back when my resting pulse was down around 40?
Back then my vision would sometimes black out from simply standing up 
quickly after sitting in a Lazy-Boy for a while.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

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On 2020-12-19 15:57, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
Thanks for these numbers and explanation.  I got one of those finger 
things
back when COVID started. I notice about 95% resting (watching TV) but 
95-97%

if more active.  Seemed counterintuitive but this explains it



Yes, Karl, thanks for the explanation.
My resting sat is 95% also.

If I think about exhaling fully through my mouth, it shoots up to 
97-98%, but 99% just doesn't happen for me.


I wonder what it was like back when my resting pulse was down around 40?
Back then my vision would sometimes black out from simply standing up 
quickly after sitting in a Lazy-Boy for a while.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Thanks for these numbers and explanation.  I got one of those finger things
back when COVID started. I notice about 95% resting (watching TV) but 95-97%
if more active.  Seemed counterintuitive but this explains it

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The better sensors have a little waveform graph. It has to have a smooth
sinusoidal pattern to get a good reading.

In hospital, we say everything over 92% is fine. Around 90% and lower, there
is a sigmoidal relationship between the hemoglobin saturation and the
partial pressure of oxygen. This helps the blood cells/hemoglobin rapidly
give up its oxygen when the blood gets to the peripheral capillaries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen%E2%80%93hemoglobin_dissociation_curve

What it means in practice is that you don't want to be 90 or lower. That
would be abnormal for sure. 95-97 not a big deal. Parts of the lung actually
collapse when we are sedentary for example, leading to lower
(95-97) readings, and when we exert ourselves and breathe deeper/harder we
recruit those areas of the lung again. So you could be 97 then climb a
flight of stairs and be 99.



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> On 2020-12-19 12:01, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yes normally humans with healthy lungs walk around at 97% or better.
> > Anything under 92% is dodgy.
>
> Mine is usually 94-97, often reading 95.
> My dad (COPD) was usually 97-99. (same numbers whether using his 
> fingertip gizmo or mine) Anything I should be worried about?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The better sensors have a little waveform graph. It has to have a smooth
sinusoidal pattern to get a good reading.

In hospital, we say everything over 92% is fine. Around 90% and lower,
there is a sigmoidal relationship between the hemoglobin saturation and the
partial pressure of oxygen. This helps the blood cells/hemoglobin rapidly
give up its oxygen when the blood gets to the peripheral capillaries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen%E2%80%93hemoglobin_dissociation_curve

What it means in practice is that you don't want to be 90 or lower. That
would be abnormal for sure. 95-97 not a big deal. Parts of the lung
actually collapse when we are sedentary for example, leading to lower
(95-97) readings, and when we exert ourselves and breathe deeper/harder we
recruit those areas of the lung again. So you could be 97 then climb a
flight of stairs and be 99.



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> On 2020-12-19 12:01, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yes normally humans with healthy lungs walk around at 97% or better.
> > Anything under 92% is dodgy.
>
> Mine is usually 94-97, often reading 95.
> My dad (COPD) was usually 97-99. (same numbers whether using his
> fingertip gizmo or mine)
> Anything I should be worried about?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

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On 2020-12-19 12:01, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Yes normally humans with healthy lungs walk around at 97% or better.
Anything under 92% is dodgy.


Mine is usually 94-97, often reading 95.
My dad (COPD) was usually 97-99. (same numbers whether using his 
fingertip gizmo or mine)

Anything I should be worried about?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Karl, with blood type A negative how much more likely am I to: 1) contract
COV 19, and 2) if so, become seriously ill?  The medical literature is a
little choppy on this subject.



On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 12:02 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes normally humans with healthy lungs walk around at 97% or better.
> Anything under 92% is dodgy. It is usually measured with little red light
> things you put on your finger or ear lobe; you can buy little battery
> powered versions on Amazon for ~$20.
>
> When otherwise healthy people get hypoxic like that, it is an indication
> that something is seriously wrong in the lung parenchyma. With COVID, it
> sets up inflammation that thickens the barrier across which oxygen has to
> diffuse to get to your red blood cells.
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 6:22 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  * desaturating 1. *The act, or the result of the act, of making
> something
> > less completely saturated; more specifically, the percentage of total
> > binding sites remaining unfilled; for example, when hemoglobin is 70%
> > saturated with oxygen and nothing else, its desaturation is 30%.
> >
> > Thanks chicoms!
> >
> > Any consensus on the origin: man-made or natural?
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 7:03 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, there is always the covid option. My sister was desaturating
> while
> > > trying to walk her dog on level ground. She is a distance swimmer
> > normally.
> > > Other people I know who have had it were avid runners before, and still
> > > cannot run two months later. People in their 40s and 50s. But yeah, the
> > > vaccine hurts your arm a little bit for a day or so.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 3:10 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > AK has had 1 in 250 severe reactions to this inoculation.  Not the
> > > > astronomically comic 1 in a million the legacy media and Kool-Aid
> Corps
> > > > tout.  And this was in young and healthy population of medical
> workers.
> > > > Not a million mile Benz, more akin to a soap box racer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Clay
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Nurse Collapses on Live Television shortly after receiving COVID-19
> > > > VACCINE
> > > > > https://youtu.be/Wrp4w0OQmAQ
> > > > >
> > > > > How long until the tech overlords ban this one?
> > > > > -
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

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Yes normally humans with healthy lungs walk around at 97% or better.
Anything under 92% is dodgy. It is usually measured with little red light
things you put on your finger or ear lobe; you can buy little battery
powered versions on Amazon for ~$20.

When otherwise healthy people get hypoxic like that, it is an indication
that something is seriously wrong in the lung parenchyma. With COVID, it
sets up inflammation that thickens the barrier across which oxygen has to
diffuse to get to your red blood cells.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 6:22 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  * desaturating 1. *The act, or the result of the act, of making something
> less completely saturated; more specifically, the percentage of total
> binding sites remaining unfilled; for example, when hemoglobin is 70%
> saturated with oxygen and nothing else, its desaturation is 30%.
>
> Thanks chicoms!
>
> Any consensus on the origin: man-made or natural?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 7:03 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, there is always the covid option. My sister was desaturating while
> > trying to walk her dog on level ground. She is a distance swimmer
> normally.
> > Other people I know who have had it were avid runners before, and still
> > cannot run two months later. People in their 40s and 50s. But yeah, the
> > vaccine hurts your arm a little bit for a day or so.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 3:10 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > AK has had 1 in 250 severe reactions to this inoculation.  Not the
> > > astronomically comic 1 in a million the legacy media and Kool-Aid Corps
> > > tout.  And this was in young and healthy population of medical workers.
> > > Not a million mile Benz, more akin to a soap box racer
> > >
> > >
> > > Clay
> > >
> > >
> > > inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> > >
> > > > On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nurse Collapses on Live Television shortly after receiving COVID-19
> > > VACCINE
> > > > https://youtu.be/Wrp4w0OQmAQ
> > > >
> > > > How long until the tech overlords ban this one?
> > > > -
> > > > Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The scary part is that some of you could have been superspreaders and not
known it, leading to unknown numbers of fatalities.

Theoretically of course.  Only contact tracing could have determined this
with any certainty.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 9:31 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I suspect I could have had it in February.  I was actually out in
> California at the time and most of that week I felt like crap.  I never
> had a cough but felt like I had a fever and was somewhat strange and out
> of the blue.
>
> On 12/18/2020 10:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> This was back in May, when standard treatment was 'go ahead and feel
> >> like crap until it runs its course, and call an ambulance if you're
> >> dying'
> > I think that's still the treatment. Two of my boys had it, one brought
> > it home from school at Thanksgiving break, the other presumably got it
> > from him. They tested positive for COVID but had mild cases, worst of it
> > was a sore throat that felt like strep for a couple of days.
> >
> > I have been supplementing Vitamin D, C, and Zinc since March, for
> > whatever that has been worth, I never developed any symptoms. We didn't
> > take any particular precautions in the house, though the sick ones spent
> > most of their time in their rooms.
> >
> > I still suspect I may have had it back in late January. I came down with
> > a weird cough that lasted about a week. A fair number of international
> > students including Chinese work in my office, and no doubt some had been
> > home during the Christmas break.
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I suspect I could have had it in February.  I was actually out in 
California at the time and most of that week I felt like crap.  I never 
had a cough but felt like I had a fever and was somewhat strange and out 
of the blue.


On 12/18/2020 10:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:


This was back in May, when standard treatment was 'go ahead and feel
like crap until it runs its course, and call an ambulance if you're
dying'

I think that's still the treatment. Two of my boys had it, one brought
it home from school at Thanksgiving break, the other presumably got it
from him. They tested positive for COVID but had mild cases, worst of it
was a sore throat that felt like strep for a couple of days.

I have been supplementing Vitamin D, C, and Zinc since March, for
whatever that has been worth, I never developed any symptoms. We didn't
take any particular precautions in the house, though the sick ones spent
most of their time in their rooms.

I still suspect I may have had it back in late January. I came down with
a weird cough that lasted about a week. A fair number of international
students including Chinese work in my office, and no doubt some had been
home during the Christmas break.

Allan

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-19 07:25, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

We were both convinced we had it in February, as we had sore throats,
flu-like symptoms, etc. I did an antibody test in August or September
and it was negative, so I’m guessing that means I didn’t have it.


Or your body managed it with T-Cells instead of antibodies.
My sister, when finally well enough to be released from the County 
Health Department's quarantine, went in for testing and was positive on 
antibodies and negative on virus, according to the tests. (which is what 
you'd normally expect from somebody whose immune system just killed a 
virus)


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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

 * desaturating 1. *The act, or the result of the act, of making something
less completely saturated; more specifically, the percentage of total
binding sites remaining unfilled; for example, when hemoglobin is 70%
saturated with oxygen and nothing else, its desaturation is 30%.

Thanks chicoms!

Any consensus on the origin: man-made or natural?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 7:03 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> Well, there is always the covid option. My sister was desaturating while
> trying to walk her dog on level ground. She is a distance swimmer normally.
> Other people I know who have had it were avid runners before, and still
> cannot run two months later. People in their 40s and 50s. But yeah, the
> vaccine hurts your arm a little bit for a day or so.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 3:10 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > AK has had 1 in 250 severe reactions to this inoculation.  Not the
> > astronomically comic 1 in a million the legacy media and Kool-Aid Corps
> > tout.  And this was in young and healthy population of medical workers.
> > Not a million mile Benz, more akin to a soap box racer
> >
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> > inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> >
> > > On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nurse Collapses on Live Television shortly after receiving COVID-19
> > VACCINE
> > > https://youtu.be/Wrp4w0OQmAQ
> > >
> > > How long until the tech overlords ban this one?
> > > -
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We were both convinced we had it in February, as we had sore throats, flu-like 
symptoms, etc. I did an antibody test in August or September and it was 
negative, so I’m guessing that means I didn’t have it.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> This was back in May, when standard treatment was 'go ahead and feel 
>> like crap until it runs its course, and call an ambulance if you're 
>> dying'
> 
> I think that's still the treatment. Two of my boys had it, one brought
> it home from school at Thanksgiving break, the other presumably got it
> from him. They tested positive for COVID but had mild cases, worst of it
> was a sore throat that felt like strep for a couple of days.
> 
> I have been supplementing Vitamin D, C, and Zinc since March, for
> whatever that has been worth, I never developed any symptoms. We didn't
> take any particular precautions in the house, though the sick ones spent
> most of their time in their rooms.
> 
> I still suspect I may have had it back in late January. I came down with
> a weird cough that lasted about a week. A fair number of international
> students including Chinese work in my office, and no doubt some had been
> home during the Christmas break.
> 
> Allan
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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> This was back in May, when standard treatment was 'go ahead and feel 
> like crap until it runs its course, and call an ambulance if you're 
> dying'

I think that's still the treatment. Two of my boys had it, one brought
it home from school at Thanksgiving break, the other presumably got it
from him. They tested positive for COVID but had mild cases, worst of it
was a sore throat that felt like strep for a couple of days.

I have been supplementing Vitamin D, C, and Zinc since March, for
whatever that has been worth, I never developed any symptoms. We didn't
take any particular precautions in the house, though the sick ones spent
most of their time in their rooms.

I still suspect I may have had it back in late January. I came down with
a weird cough that lasted about a week. A fair number of international
students including Chinese work in my office, and no doubt some had been
home during the Christmas break.

Allan

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What treatment did they have, especially early on?
My sister had zero treatment. For at least three weeks she was so sick 
that it was a major task just to go to the front door for a bag of 
groceries and drag it to the refrigerator 20' away. (bedroom to front 
door is more than 20')
This was back in May, when standard treatment was 'go ahead and feel 
like crap until it runs its course, and call an ambulance if you're 
dying'


On 2020-12-18 19:02, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
Well, there is always the covid option. My sister was desaturating 
while
trying to walk her dog on level ground. She is a distance swimmer 
normally.

Other people I know who have had it were avid runners before, and still
cannot run two months later. People in their 40s and 50s. But yeah, the
vaccine hurts your arm a little bit for a day or so.



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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

I am not paying that close of attention to the circus.  White folks so far, as 
the natives are not online for shots yet.  The ANC retirement home will be 
getting injected this day.  No report on how it impacts a gerontologic group.

Clay


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> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay Monroe via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> AK has had 1 in 250 severe reactions to this inoculation.
> 
> Is that among indigineous people or non-natives?
> 
> Allan

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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Clay Monroe via Mercedes  writes:

> AK has had 1 in 250 severe reactions to this inoculation.

Is that among indigineous people or non-natives?

Allan

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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Well, there is always the covid option. My sister was desaturating while
trying to walk her dog on level ground. She is a distance swimmer normally.
Other people I know who have had it were avid runners before, and still
cannot run two months later. People in their 40s and 50s. But yeah, the
vaccine hurts your arm a little bit for a day or so.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 3:10 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> AK has had 1 in 250 severe reactions to this inoculation.  Not the
> astronomically comic 1 in a million the legacy media and Kool-Aid Corps
> tout.  And this was in young and healthy population of medical workers.
> Not a million mile Benz, more akin to a soap box racer
>
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
> > On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nurse Collapses on Live Television shortly after receiving COVID-19
> VACCINE
> > https://youtu.be/Wrp4w0OQmAQ
> >
> > How long until the tech overlords ban this one?
> > -
> > Max
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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

AK has had 1 in 250 severe reactions to this inoculation.  Not the 
astronomically comic 1 in a million the legacy media and Kool-Aid Corps tout.  
And this was in young and healthy population of medical workers.  Not a million 
mile Benz, more akin to a soap box racer


Clay


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> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nurse Collapses on Live Television shortly after receiving COVID-19 VACCINE
> https://youtu.be/Wrp4w0OQmAQ
> 
> How long until the tech overlords ban this one?
> -
> Max

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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's pretty funny Andrew, good one!
-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> For every nurse that collapses there are at least 5 who don't.
>
>
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

For every nurse that collapses there are at least 5 who don't.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 11:38 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> On 2020-12-18 11:35, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > I had to sit for 15min after each injection before they would let me
> > leave.  there is some small chance of anaphylaxis or other rxn with it
> > among some people so they watch the injectee after. i think this goes
> > with any vaccine.
>
> Same with my allergy shots, back when I was taking them.
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On 2020-12-18 11:35, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

I had to sit for 15min after each injection before they would let me
leave.  there is some small chance of anaphylaxis or other rxn with it
among some people so they watch the injectee after. i think this goes
with any vaccine.


Same with my allergy shots, back when I was taking them.

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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I had to sit for 15min after each injection before they would let me 
leave.  there is some small chance of anaphylaxis or other rxn with it 
among some people so they watch the injectee after. i think this goes 
with any vaccine.


All I know is I want to get it ASAP (if I have not already had it in the 
trial) and get on with life.


--FT

On 12/18/20 11:23 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

  Nurse Collapses on Live Television shortly after receiving COVID-19 VACCINE
https://youtu.be/Wrp4w0OQmAQ

How long until the tech overlords ban this one?
-
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Charleston SC
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

 Nurse Collapses on Live Television shortly after receiving COVID-19 VACCINE
https://youtu.be/Wrp4w0OQmAQ

How long until the tech overlords ban this one?
-
Max
Charleston SC
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