[MBZ] OT Cartridge starters
About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with cartridge starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full of solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be started at same time in a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of smoke. Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. air is used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. Wilton
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Are you sure that those aren't booster rockets you are talking about? A gallon size tin of rocket propellant is alot! On 11/8/05, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with cartridge starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full of solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be started at same time in a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of smoke. Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. air is used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. Wilton ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
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Wilton, Do you know about the 40s vintage cartridge starters? The cartridges in the book Flight of the Phoenix were described as a blank shotgun shell. I am guessing that for a 40's vintage radial engine the requirements were less than the requirement for starting 8 jet engines. Regarding the B-52, after your post, I found this: During the same period, a long-standing SAC requirement, only endorsed for the B-52Hs, was finally extended to all B-52s. Started in January 1963 and completed in March of the following year, this retrofit project put 2 cartridge starters in every B-52. The installation of cartridge starters was not simple. The aircraft's electrical system had to be modified to accommodate the new starters and new valves. In addition, duct covers had to be redesigned and nickel cadmium batteries had to be added. The modification was expensive, which accounted for SAC's difficulties in getting it approved for the entire B-52 force, but it was important. Besides giving crews the means to start their engines faster, it would allow dispersed or post-strike B-52s to take off from airfields lacking certain ground support equipment, electrical power carts in particular. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-52h.htm At 10:19 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with cartridge starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full of solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be started at same time in a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of smoke. Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. air is used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. Wilton ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Gabe, Wilton knows what he is talking about. Don't question his knowledge. Starting 8 turbojets takes A LOT. If you read my previous post, I quoted a source that verifies what Wilton said, and elaborates on it. In fact, each aircraft was fitted with 2 cartridge starters. Loren At 11:11 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: Are you sure that those aren't booster rockets you are talking about? A gallon size tin of rocket propellant is alot! On 11/8/05, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with cartridge starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full of solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be started at same time in a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of smoke. Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. air is used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. Wilton ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Wilton knows what he is talking about. Don't question his knowledge. Oh well excuse me for asking! On 11/8/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabe, Wilton knows what he is talking about. Don't question his knowledge. Starting 8 turbojets takes A LOT. If you read my previous post, I quoted a source that verifies what Wilton said, and elaborates on it. In fact, each aircraft was fitted with 2 cartridge starters. Loren At 11:11 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: Are you sure that those aren't booster rockets you are talking about? A gallon size tin of rocket propellant is alot! On 11/8/05, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with cartridge starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full of solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be started at same time in a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of smoke. Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. air is used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. Wilton ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=-
[MBZ] OT cartridge starters
Yes, from early sixties B-52's had just 2 eng with cartridge start, but in late 70's all eng got cartridges. Didn't mean to imply that these are same as little ones used on recip eng, merely describing what B-52 uses now. Wilton
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Wilton, LtCol, USAF, Ret. 5000 hrs in B-52D, E, F, G, H That, Sir, is why I told you that Wilton knows what he is talking about! At 11:37 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: Wilton knows what he is talking about. Don't question his knowledge. Oh well excuse me for asking! On 11/8/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabe, Wilton knows what he is talking about. Don't question his knowledge. Starting 8 turbojets takes A LOT. If you read my previous post, I quoted a source that verifies what Wilton said, and elaborates on it. In fact, each aircraft was fitted with 2 cartridge starters. Loren At 11:11 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: Are you sure that those aren't booster rockets you are talking about? A gallon size tin of rocket propellant is alot! On 11/8/05, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with cartridge starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full of solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be started at same time in a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of smoke. Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. air is used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. Wilton ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Thank you, Sir. Obviously the info I found was outdated then. I was actually looking for info on the cartridge starter for recip engines when i came across the info about B-52s. I did not take your reference to the B-52s to imply the B-52 cartridges were the same as the shotgun type used on recip engines. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us youngsters. Loren At 10:08 AM 11/9/2005, you wrote: Yes, from early sixties B-52's had just 2 eng with cartridge start, but in late 70's all eng got cartridges. Didn't mean to imply that these are same as little ones used on recip eng, merely describing what B-52 uses now. Wilton
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