Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Apple or OWC (Macsales.com) (but you have already been told this twice already.) What's a good brand and price for a MacBook Pro battery replacment? On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I learned my lesson on aftermarket batteries with my 17 Dell. After the original quit I got one on Amazon that was 1/3 of the price of the factory battery. That lasted 1/3 of 1 year. A new factory battery lasted another year until the video card ($650!) croaked. Fortunately its a work laptop so I just got a replacement. The M90 I had was about a $3000 laptop... -Curt Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:36:37 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Message-ID: CAC35L=v1ohmucht7cygaxnswznom90pj_k-kucbse-gr63t...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a near-perfect 2008 MacBook 15 on ebay from a very decent seller. Can't find a scratch on it. It's FAST and beautiful; the only negative is the battery only holds a 30 minute charge and needs replacing. Any recommendations on what sort of battery to purchase and how much to budget for it? Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
And both of these machines are still relevant and more than adequate for probably 80-90% of most user's needs. I see TiBooks for a few hundred dollars or less quite often. I have been tempted, but I really don't need another laptop. I just got a Newton from a Mac buddy who was going to toss it. Should be fun to play with MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: I bought a 12 PB for my niece for college -- she loves it. Easy to carry, light, and she still has young eyes and can see the screen well. Great for dragging around to classes, and easier to use for writing since the screen is longer rather than wider. I still drag around a TiBook (1 GHz), and other that being a bit slow by modern standards it works great for me. Getting a bit beaten up, but it works fine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
I just bought a near-perfect 2008 MacBook 15 on ebay from a very decent seller. Can't find a scratch on it. It's FAST and beautiful; the only negative is the battery only holds a 30 minute charge and needs replacing. Any recommendations on what sort of battery to purchase and how much to budget for it? Andrew On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: And both of these machines are still relevant and more than adequate for probably 80-90% of most user's needs. I see TiBooks for a few hundred dollars or less quite often. I have been tempted, but I really don't need another laptop. I just got a Newton from a Mac buddy who was going to toss it. Should be fun to play with MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: I bought a 12 PB for my niece for college -- she loves it. Easy to carry, light, and she still has young eyes and can see the screen well. Great for dragging around to classes, and easier to use for writing since the screen is longer rather than wider. I still drag around a TiBook (1 GHz), and other that being a bit slow by modern standards it works great for me. Getting a bit beaten up, but it works fine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Get a battery from OWC. They have a third party company that makes batteries for them. They are cheaper than Apple and usually have more capacity than the OEM battery. I have purchased several of them over the years and have been very satisfied. There was a service bulletin and a replacement campaign for MBP batteries a few years ago. Might want to check Apple's Support web site to see if yours is one that's affected. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a near-perfect 2008 MacBook 15 on ebay from a very decent seller. Can't find a scratch on it. It's FAST and beautiful; the only negative is the battery only holds a 30 minute charge and needs replacing. Any recommendations on what sort of battery to purchase and how much to budget for it? Andrew On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: And both of these machines are still relevant and more than adequate for probably 80-90% of most user's needs. I see TiBooks for a few hundred dollars or less quite often. I have been tempted, but I really don't need another laptop. I just got a Newton from a Mac buddy who was going to toss it. Should be fun to play with MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: I bought a 12 PB for my niece for college -- she loves it. Easy to carry, light, and she still has young eyes and can see the screen well. Great for dragging around to classes, and easier to use for writing since the screen is longer rather than wider. I still drag around a TiBook (1 GHz), and other that being a bit slow by modern standards it works great for me. Getting a bit beaten up, but it works fine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Looks like two choices for your MBP - a 58WH ($95) and a 60WH - ($114). This dependent on whether it's a unibody or non-unibody machine. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Get a battery from OWC. They have a third party company that makes batteries for them. They are cheaper than Apple and usually have more capacity than the OEM battery. I have purchased several of them over the years and have been very satisfied. There was a service bulletin and a replacement campaign for MBP batteries a few years ago. Might want to check Apple's Support web site to see if yours is one that's affected. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a near-perfect 2008 MacBook 15 on ebay from a very decent seller. Can't find a scratch on it. It's FAST and beautiful; the only negative is the battery only holds a 30 minute charge and needs replacing. Any recommendations on what sort of battery to purchase and how much to budget for it? Andrew On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: And both of these machines are still relevant and more than adequate for probably 80-90% of most user's needs. I see TiBooks for a few hundred dollars or less quite often. I have been tempted, but I really don't need another laptop. I just got a Newton from a Mac buddy who was going to toss it. Should be fun to play with MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: I bought a 12 PB for my niece for college -- she loves it. Easy to carry, light, and she still has young eyes and can see the screen well. Great for dragging around to classes, and easier to use for writing since the screen is longer rather than wider. I still drag around a TiBook (1 GHz), and other that being a bit slow by modern standards it works great for me. Getting a bit beaten up, but it works fine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Andrew, Check out http://kahlon.com/ they have good prices on High Performance batteries to. Bought one three years ago for my Compaq Lappy still holding a full charge. Russ W. On 8/18/2011 10:37 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Looks like two choices for your MBP - a 58WH ($95) and a 60WH - ($114). This dependent on whether it's a unibody or non-unibody machine. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Get a battery from OWC. They have a third party company that makes batteries for them. They are cheaper than Apple and usually have more capacity than the OEM battery. I have purchased several of them over the years and have been very satisfied. There was a service bulletin and a replacement campaign for MBP batteries a few years ago. Might want to check Apple's Support web site to see if yours is one that's affected. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:36 AM, andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought a near-perfect 2008 MacBook 15 on ebay from a very decent seller. Can't find a scratch on it. It's FAST and beautiful; the only negative is the battery only holds a 30 minute charge and needs replacing. Any recommendations on what sort of battery to purchase and how much to budget for it? Andrew On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote: And both of these machines are still relevant and more than adequate for probably 80-90% of most user's needs. I see TiBooks for a few hundred dollars or less quite often. I have been tempted, but I really don't need another laptop. I just got a Newton from a Mac buddy who was going to toss it. Should be fun to play with MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Peter Frederickpsf...@earthlink.net wrote: I bought a 12 PB for my niece for college -- she loves it. Easy to carry, light, and she still has young eyes and can see the screen well. Great for dragging around to classes, and easier to use for writing since the screen is longer rather than wider. I still drag around a TiBook (1 GHz), and other that being a bit slow by modern standards it works great for me. Getting a bit beaten up, but it works fine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3842 - Release Date: 08/18/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
I learned my lesson on aftermarket batteries with my 17 Dell. After the original quit I got one on Amazon that was 1/3 of the price of the factory battery. That lasted 1/3 of 1 year. A new factory battery lasted another year until the video card ($650!) croaked. Fortunately its a work laptop so I just got a replacement. The M90 I had was about a $3000 laptop... -Curt Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:36:37 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Message-ID: CAC35L=v1ohmucht7cygaxnswznom90pj_k-kucbse-gr63t...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a near-perfect 2008 MacBook 15 on ebay from a very decent seller. Can't find a scratch on it. It's FAST and beautiful; the only negative is the battery only holds a 30 minute charge and needs replacing. Any recommendations on what sort of battery to purchase and how much to budget for it? Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
What's a good brand and price for a MacBook Pro battery replacment? On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I learned my lesson on aftermarket batteries with my 17 Dell. After the original quit I got one on Amazon that was 1/3 of the price of the factory battery. That lasted 1/3 of 1 year. A new factory battery lasted another year until the video card ($650!) croaked. Fortunately its a work laptop so I just got a replacement. The M90 I had was about a $3000 laptop... -Curt Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:36:37 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Message-ID: CAC35L=v1ohmucht7cygaxnswznom90pj_k-kucbse-gr63t...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a near-perfect 2008 MacBook 15 on ebay from a very decent seller. Can't find a scratch on it. It's FAST and beautiful; the only negative is the battery only holds a 30 minute charge and needs replacing. Any recommendations on what sort of battery to purchase and how much to budget for it? Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Either OEM ($) or NuTech from OWC. I have used both and had excellent results. MacDan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2011, at 12:51 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What's a good brand and price for a MacBook Pro battery replacment? On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I learned my lesson on aftermarket batteries with my 17 Dell. After the original quit I got one on Amazon that was 1/3 of the price of the factory battery. That lasted 1/3 of 1 year. A new factory battery lasted another year until the video card ($650!) croaked. Fortunately its a work laptop so I just got a replacement. The M90 I had was about a $3000 laptop... -Curt Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:36:37 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Message-ID: CAC35L=v1ohmucht7cygaxnswznom90pj_k-kucbse-gr63t...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just bought a near-perfect 2008 MacBook 15 on ebay from a very decent seller. Can't find a scratch on it. It's FAST and beautiful; the only negative is the battery only holds a 30 minute charge and needs replacing. Any recommendations on what sort of battery to purchase and how much to budget for it? Andrew ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
I have bought OWC batteries for my 12 PB. Once when I first got it (used, and the original battery would not charge) and I have replaced that once. I've owned that PB for about 4 years I think, so to be on its second battery in that time is not bad. There are definitely junk batteries out there, but at least based on my experience, OWC sells good stuff. Allan On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:47 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I learned my lesson on aftermarket batteries with my 17 Dell. After the original quit I got one on Amazon that was 1/3 of the price of the factory battery. That lasted 1/3 of 1 year. A new factory battery lasted another year until the video card ($650!) croaked. Fortunately its a work laptop so I just got a replacement. The M90 I had was about a $3000 laptop... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Dan is right with whatever OWC recommends: http://www.macsales.com/ -Curt Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:51:18 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Message-ID: CAC35L=uhvRi0wKWv7pTc4Z3d4CcqKzDb5j=pgfhx84dwfmg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What's a good brand and price for a MacBook Pro battery replacment? On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I learned my lesson on aftermarket batteries with my 17 Dell. After the original quit I got one on Amazon that was 1/3 of the price of the factory battery. That lasted 1/3 of 1 year. A new factory battery lasted another year until the video card ($650!) croaked. Fortunately its a work laptop so I just got a replacement. The M90 I had was about a $3000 laptop... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down - 12 PowerBook
Just saw a 12 PowerBook for sale on my Mac list. Original owner, near perfect condition, new battery, RAM and HD updated, near perfect shape with loads of accessories. He's asking $250. MacDan From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down I love apple OS (minus the do it Steve's way stuff), and their hardware is top rate, if sometimes odd. I found that I can't use a 17 laptop -- to big, too heavy, and I cannot see the screen on the 13 ones, so I'm stuck with 15, sorta half way to what I want. You can always attach a larger monitor, it's easy on a Mac. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Remove the fan and heatsink from the processor. Scrape underside of heatsink and clean as much gunk off processor as possible without damaging. Put on new heat grease, reinstall heatsink. Fire it up and watch problems melt away no wait, that's just the grease. EdB On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Whenever asked, I always try to steer people away from the massive laptops, be they Apple or PC. The initial thought is, Wow, how great would that be, to have a 17 screen! After they lug one of those beasts around for a couple of days the luster wears off. They're heavy and they don't fit in anything easily. Seems like a 14 - 15 is just about right, at least so I've found. The 12 PowerBook was very popular in it's day, so much so that the resale on that one model is still significantly higher than it's fellow machines of the same vintage. The size vs. power ratio was very good for that machine in it's day, surprising that Apple retired it before the other models in the line. Dan From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down I love apple OS (minus the do it Steve's way stuff), and their hardware is top rate, if sometimes odd. I found that I can't use a 17 laptop -- to big, too heavy, and I cannot see the screen on the 13 ones, so I'm stuck with 15, sorta half way to what I want. You can always attach a larger monitor, it's easy on a Mac. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
I bought a 12 PB for my niece for college -- she loves it. Easy to carry, light, and she still has young eyes and can see the screen well. Great for dragging around to classes, and easier to use for writing since the screen is longer rather than wider. I still drag around a TiBook (1 GHz), and other that being a bit slow by modern standards it works great for me. Getting a bit beaten up, but it works fine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Here's NewEgg's combo of the day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.719896 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: Here's NewEgg's combo of the day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.719896 Oops, took a good look at that combo and I don't think I'd go for it, but it's better than buying a $329 eMachine. 1. Should have a better power supply with active regulation. I'd rather have a $40 PS in a eMachine case than a $40 case/PS combo. 2. $50 Motherboard, no mention of solid caps. All I see in the pics are electrolytics. Buy it if you don't mind upgrading it in 3-5 years when the caps start failing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Todays electrolytics aren't as bad as yester-years. Tantalum caps are good, but not the end-all either. They're more exppensive to put on the board, so they drive cost up. If it's worth the extra? I'm not sure to be honest. The lower ESR is always good, as well as the thermal stability, so for high performance setups with limited airflow it could be an advantage. Their failure mode is quite interesting as well, they either slowly decrease in value, or explode. They're used to detonate some explosives believe it or not. Walt On Aug 16, 2011 5:07 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: Here's NewEgg's combo of the day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.719896 Oops, took a good look at that combo and I don't think I'd go for it, but it's better than buying a $329 eMachine. 1. Should have a better power supply with active regulation. I'd rather have a $40 PS in a eMachine case than a $40 case/PS combo. 2. $50 Motherboard, no mention of solid caps. All I see in the pics are electrolytics. Buy it if you don't mind upgrading it in 3-5 years when the caps start failing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or you can have bootleg 'lytics made with the wrong ingredients that fail within a matter of weeks of being made. This happened to Apple and a number of other computer manufacturers back in 2005-6. IMacs had bad MBs and power supplies as a result. I have picked up several of these machines, and after replacing the failed (swollen) caps with new, all is well. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 5:55 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Todays electrolytics aren't as bad as yester-years. Tantalum caps are good, but not the end-all either. They're more exppensive to put on the board, so they drive cost up. If it's worth the extra? I'm not sure to be honest. The lower ESR is always good, as well as the thermal stability, so for high performance setups with limited airflow it could be an advantage. Their failure mode is quite interesting as well, they either slowly decrease in value, or explode. They're used to detonate some explosives believe it or not. Walt On Aug 16, 2011 5:07 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: Here's NewEgg's combo of the day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.719896 Oops, took a good look at that combo and I don't think I'd go for it, but it's better than buying a $329 eMachine. 1. Should have a better power supply with active regulation. I'd rather have a $40 PS in a eMachine case than a $40 case/PS combo. 2. $50 Motherboard, no mention of solid caps. All I see in the pics are electrolytics. Buy it if you don't mind upgrading it in 3-5 years when the caps start failing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Recently, my 3-4 yr old emachine motherboard went bad. Symptom was apparent spontaneous sleep mode that required unplug before it would restart. When I took off the case side and put a big fan blowing in room air, the machine would run OK for many hours: thermal problem confirmed. I found a used motherboard on the net ($80 delivered) and that was the fix. But I got impatient during troubleshooting and bought a new cheap Dell dual core for $350 which is VERY much faster. So the repaired emachine is now my spare. The main downside was transitioning from the windows 2000 interface to the Windows 7 interface (classic view helped). Also some old 16 bit software won't run on the 64 bit W7. Otherwise, W7 looks like an improvement even if this old dog had to learn some new tricks. So, IMO you probably have a bad motherboard, fixable for about $100. On the other hand, a new machine may be a better plan, particularly if it's your main workstation. But first be sure your software will run on the new OS. Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down I hate to stick a new board in it and it still does it but its just about got to be something on the board. Rich Thomas wrote: It is probably the mobo going flaky. You can get a new mobo/processor cheap, with some memory, maybe a new id card, and just use the old box and drives. Take about 30 min to change it out. Microcenter and Newegg have some package deals usually. Then you'll have a new machine that should work OK. --R On 8/15/11 9:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Russ Williams Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Kaleb MSI makes some good Mobos. The AMD Phenom CPU is a good one also. The only thing I don't like about the system is the 400w PS. 500w is the least that I use when building a system for a client. That's my 2¢ worth. Russ W. On 8/15/2011 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what about something like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 58127CatId=336 On 8/15/2011 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can always replace the PS fan, they're usually easy to get at. I had to reverse the flow of my PSU fan to suit my case arrangement. Bit of a custom case, has a huge nidec Beta V fan blowing the hot air out of what used to be a decorative top vent. Needed the PSU to suck in air so that it didn't fight that fan (some interesting beat frequencies were being produced otherwise...). Yes, it's filtered. Walt On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Russ Williams Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Kaleb MSI makes some good Mobos. The AMD Phenom CPU is a good one also. The only thing I don't like about the system is the 400w PS. 500w is the least that I use when building a system for a client. That's my 2¢ worth. Russ W. On 8/15/2011 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what about something like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 58127CatId=336 On 8/15/2011 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Weenies. Man up and get server grade fans. Go deaf like the rest of us! Dan (who sits next to a data center all day) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Russ Williams Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Kaleb MSI makes some good Mobos. The AMD Phenom CPU is a good one also. The only thing I don't like about the system is the 400w PS. 500w is the least that I use when building a system for a client. That's my 2¢ worth. Russ W. On 8/15/2011 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what about something like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 58127CatId=336 On 8/15/2011 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Whaaat? Did you say something? Weenies. Man up and get server grade fans. Go deaf like the rest of us! Dan (who sits next to a data center all day) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. I've got an OCZ P/S with a huge horizontal fan in my Compaq. (fan covers the bottom of the power supply, instead of occupying a fraction of the rear) I can hear the hard drives. More size gives you more airflow for the same noise, or less noise for the same airflow. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OCZ = awesome. They've sadly discontinued the Rally series flash drives.. :( Walt On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. I've got an OCZ P/S with a huge horizontal fan in my Compaq. (fan covers the bottom of the power supply, instead of occupying a fraction of the rear) I can hear the hard drives. More size gives you more airflow for the same noise, or less noise for the same airflow. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. Mitch Haley wrote: I've got an OCZ P/S with a huge horizontal fan in my Compaq. (fan covers the bottom of the power supply, instead of occupying a fraction of the rear) I can hear the hard drives. More size gives you more airflow for the same noise, or less noise for the same airflow. Yup. And the Corsair CX430 V2 is the same style. Most of those also scale the fan speed to the temperature so when it's not working hard, it's very quiet. I really like the power supply reviews at http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/ They actually load test! And tear it down to see how it's built. It was from them I decided on the Corsair as my current best-choice power supply. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oy! Why didn't you say this was an eMachine? Then we would have known what to do from the get-go: take it to the crusher and put it in the back seat of one of your cars Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It is probably the mobo going flaky. You can get a new mobo/processor cheap, with some memory, maybe a new id card, and just use the old box and drives. Take about 30 min to change it out. Microcenter and Newegg have some package deals usually. Then you'll have a new machine that should work OK. --R On 8/15/11 9:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I hate to stick a new board in it and it still does it but its just about got to be something on the board. Rich Thomas wrote: It is probably the mobo going flaky. You can get a new mobo/processor cheap, with some memory, maybe a new id card, and just use the old box and drives. Take about 30 min to change it out. Microcenter and Newegg have some package deals usually. Then you'll have a new machine that should work OK. --R On 8/15/11 9:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. Possibly failing capacitors on the MB. Cheap way is to replace the caps, easy way is to replace the MB. When I did that to Dad's eMachine this spring, I dropped in a more efficient and stable 80+ certified power supply while I was at it. Make sure the new MB advertises solid caps on at least the CPU power buss. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I worked on a lot of eMachines in the past, and regretted it every time. It was obvious that they put whatever was the cheapest that day in the box. Case in point: I had two identical machines on the bench, both with the same model number and specs, and they had totally different motherboards, video cards, etc. The only thing that allowed you to see the differences was by looking up the serial numbers on their web site. Major POS computers from my experience. An excellent example of you get what you pay for. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you go the route replacing/upgrading the MoBo, which I would do, make sure to replace the PS also. Dell/Emachines have a different pinout in the identical power connector. The old PS will fry your new MoBo instantly. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I hate to stick a new board in it and it still does it but its just about got to be something on the board. Rich Thomas wrote: It is probably the mobo going flaky. You can get a new mobo/processor cheap, with some memory, maybe a new id card, and just use the old box and drives. Take about 30 min to change it out. Microcenter and Newegg have some package deals usually. Then you'll have a new machine that should work OK. --R On 8/15/11 9:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is why I recommend putting the emachine in a car for crushing, and start with a barebones, or other kit machine that you don't have to buy an OS with. Put it together and load the OS and you end up with a clean machine without all the crap manufacturers put on, not to mention the messed up bios and advertising on the startup screens. If you go the route replacing/upgrading the MoBo, which I would do, make sure to replace the PS also. Dell/Emachines have a different pinout in the identical power connector. The old PS will fry your new MoBo instantly. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I hate to stick a new board in it and it still does it but its just about got to be something on the board. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Put it together and load the OS and you end up with a clean machine without all the crap manufacturers put on, not to mention the messed up bios and advertising on the startup screens. Ditto. If you can pull a Mercedes engine, Kaleb, you can build your own PC. My life got much simpler when I realized that: - There's only one piece of software I need Windows for (TaxCut) - Everything else I need a computer for at home, I can do in Linux - TaxCut runs fine on Windows 2000 - Windows 2000 doesn't have any of XP's serial number nonsense, so you can buy one copy on eBay and install it as many times as you want - And it runs fine in a 512Mb virtual machine using VirtualBox. So now I run Linux all the time at home (still have to use Windows for lots of things at work, unfortunately), and fire up the W2K VM when I need to. Windows gets corrupted or otherwise starts acting weird? Wipe it and reinstall from the CDs, or if you want to get fancy, make a backup of the VM image right after installing, and have a fresh install just by recopying it. It's all free except for the W2K disks which I think I got for $75 or so on fleaBay. And W2K runs faster in the VM than it would running directly on the hardware (a 1.5 Ghz or thereabouts Core Duo with 2 Gb RAM, nothing special by today's standards). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Buy a Mac clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: It is probably the mobo going flaky. You can get a new mobo/ processor cheap, with some memory, maybe a new id card, and just use the old box and drives. Take about 30 min to change it out. Microcenter and Newegg have some package deals usually. Then you'll have a new machine that should work OK. --R On 8/15/11 9:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I love win2k, but only with SP4. I just have a blank slate snapshot in most of my VM's as well, no need to reinstall. Walt On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Put it together and load the OS and you end up with a clean machine without all the crap manufacturers put on, not to mention the messed up bios and advertising on the startup screens. Ditto. If you can pull a Mercedes engine, Kaleb, you can build your own PC. My life got much simpler when I realized that: - There's only one piece of software I need Windows for (TaxCut) - Everything else I need a computer for at home, I can do in Linux - TaxCut runs fine on Windows 2000 - Windows 2000 doesn't have any of XP's serial number nonsense, so you can buy one copy on eBay and install it as many times as you want - And it runs fine in a 512Mb virtual machine using VirtualBox. So now I run Linux all the time at home (still have to use Windows for lots of things at work, unfortunately), and fire up the W2K VM when I need to. Windows gets corrupted or otherwise starts acting weird? Wipe it and reinstall from the CDs, or if you want to get fancy, make a backup of the VM image right after installing, and have a fresh install just by recopying it. It's all free except for the W2K disks which I think I got for $75 or so on fleaBay. And W2K runs faster in the VM than it would running directly on the hardware (a 1.5 Ghz or thereabouts Core Duo with 2 Gb RAM, nothing special by today's standards). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I love win2k, but only with SP4. Won't any fresh installation of W2K automatically update itself to SP4 when it pings MS via Windows Update? Or am I missing something---is SP4 something you have to particularly look for when buying a copy of W2K? Mine just says Windows 2000 Professional on the CD. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was a study that showed that an unpatched Windows install connected to the internet will often get compromised before you get the updates downloaded. Always connect such a machine via a router or good firewall. Allan On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:40 -0700, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I love win2k, but only with SP4. Won't any fresh installation of W2K automatically update itself to SP4 when it pings MS via Windows Update? Or am I missing something---is SP4 something you have to particularly look for when buying a copy of W2K? Mine just says Windows 2000 Professional on the CD. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Much easier to install SP4 manually with a copy that was burned to a CD. W2K was also EOL'd so the online-update carp might not work. Never tried it personally. Walt On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I love win2k, but only with SP4. Won't any fresh installation of W2K automatically update itself to SP4 when it pings MS via Windows Update? Or am I missing something---is SP4 something you have to particularly look for when buying a copy of W2K? Mine just says Windows 2000 Professional on the CD. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Much easier to install SP4 manually with a copy that was burned to a CD. W2K was also EOL'd so the online-update carp might not work. Never tried it personally. Good point. The download is still on MS' site, for now: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/260910 Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You are making the VM too hard. After you finish an install with the software you want, duplicate the VM and store it in a safe place. When the VM gets corrupt, copy the safe VM and put that in the folder where you just deleted the corrupted VM. You are making the VM too hard.On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Put it together and load the OS and you end up with a clean machine without all the crap manufacturers put on, not to mention the messed up bios and advertising on the startup screens. Ditto. If you can pull a Mercedes engine, Kaleb, you can build your own PC. My life got much simpler when I realized that: - There's only one piece of software I need Windows for (TaxCut) - Everything else I need a computer for at home, I can do in Linux - TaxCut runs fine on Windows 2000 - Windows 2000 doesn't have any of XP's serial number nonsense, so you can buy one copy on eBay and install it as many times as you want - And it runs fine in a 512Mb virtual machine using VirtualBox. So now I run Linux all the time at home (still have to use Windows for lots of things at work, unfortunately), and fire up the W2K VM when I need to. Windows gets corrupted or otherwise starts acting weird? Wipe it and reinstall from the CDs, or if you want to get fancy, make a backup of the VM image right after installing, and have a fresh install just by recopying it. It's all free except for the W2K disks which I think I got for $75 or so on fleaBay. And W2K runs faster in the VM than it would running directly on the hardware (a 1.5 Ghz or thereabouts Core Duo with 2 Gb RAM, nothing special by today's standards). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Newegg or Tiger, but I'm partial to Newegg myself. Walt On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would agree with that except I will say this one has been plugging along for 4-5 years and never had a bit of trouble till now. As I said before, I usually roll my own, and am looking into that now but it has been my experience lately thats its cheaper to just go buy one at the store. If I do go that route again, what about HP or compaq? On 8/15/2011 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I worked on a lot of eMachines in the past, and regretted it every time. It was obvious that they put whatever was the cheapest that day in the box. Case in point: I had two identical machines on the bench, both with the same model number and specs, and they had totally different motherboards, video cards, etc. The only thing that allowed you to see the differences was by looking up the serial numbers on their web site. Major POS computers from my experience. An excellent example of you get what you pay for. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No difference, they're the same company now. My last (current) roll it myself was ~$750, and had specs better than the $1200 machines. Walt On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I would agree with that except I will say this one has been plugging along for 4-5 years and never had a bit of trouble till now. As I said before, I usually roll my own, and am looking into that now but it has been my experience lately thats its cheaper to just go buy one at the store. If I do go that route again, what about HP or compaq? On 8/15/2011 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I worked on a lot of eMachines in the past, and regretted it every time. It was obvious that they put whatever was the cheapest that day in the box. Case in point: I had two identical machines on the bench, both with the same model number and specs, and they had totally different motherboards, video cards, etc. The only thing that allowed you to see the differences was by looking up the serial numbers on their web site. Major POS computers from my experience. An excellent example of you get what you pay for. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have always built my own until I needed to upgrade before and discovered it was cheaper to just buy one at the store. I actually have both a copy of XP and windows 7 that, well, lets say, I can use. On 8/15/2011 11:42 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: Put it together and load the OS and you end up with a clean machine without all the crap manufacturers put on, not to mention the messed up bios and advertising on the startup screens. Ditto. If you can pull a Mercedes engine, Kaleb, you can build your own PC. My life got much simpler when I realized that: - There's only one piece of software I need Windows for (TaxCut) - Everything else I need a computer for at home, I can do in Linux - TaxCut runs fine on Windows 2000 - Windows 2000 doesn't have any of XP's serial number nonsense, so you can buy one copy on eBay and install it as many times as you want - And it runs fine in a 512Mb virtual machine using VirtualBox. So now I run Linux all the time at home (still have to use Windows for lots of things at work, unfortunately), and fire up the W2K VM when I need to. Windows gets corrupted or otherwise starts acting weird? Wipe it and reinstall from the CDs, or if you want to get fancy, make a backup of the VM image right after installing, and have a fresh install just by recopying it. It's all free except for the W2K disks which I think I got for $75 or so on fleaBay. And W2K runs faster in the VM than it would running directly on the hardware (a 1.5 Ghz or thereabouts Core Duo with 2 Gb RAM, nothing special by today's standards). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you have a CompUSA nearby they have everything you need at a little bit more than NewEgg. In fact, they have some sort of partnership with NewEgg. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you have a windows 2000 CD, you can update it to 2000 SP4 with a process called slipstreaming. Load the cd into a folder on the HD. Download the SP4 executable. Search for slipstream windows 2000 for instructions. Or see: http://www.petri.co.il/windows_2000_xp_sp_slipstreaming.htm Slipsteaming works on any winders OS from 2000 and beyond to install any OS updates. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I love win2k, but only with SP4. Won't any fresh installation of W2K automatically update itself to SP4 when it pings MS via Windows Update? Or am I missing something---is SP4 something you have to particularly look for when buying a copy of W2K? Mine just says Windows 2000 Professional on the CD. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? Subscribe to Newegg's shell shocker emails. They'll have a good deal on a parts kit once or twice a week. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So HP or Compaq are the same company now, but how are they as compared to a dell or emachines? Are they junk? On 8/15/2011 2:38 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: No difference, they're the same company now. My last (current) roll it myself was ~$750, and had specs better than the $1200 machines. Walt On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net wrote: I would agree with that except I will say this one has been plugging along for 4-5 years and never had a bit of trouble till now. As I said before, I usually roll my own, and am looking into that now but it has been my experience lately thats its cheaper to just go buy one at the store. If I do go that route again, what about HP or compaq? On 8/15/2011 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I worked on a lot of eMachines in the past, and regretted it every time. It was obvious that they put whatever was the cheapest that day in the box. Case in point: I had two identical machines on the bench, both with the same model number and specs, and they had totally different motherboards, video cards, etc. The only thing that allowed you to see the differences was by looking up the serial numbers on their web site. Major POS computers from my experience. An excellent example of you get what you pay for. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.comwrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought they all went out of business? The one here shut down years ago. Now the only big box computer store is best buy. We used to have 2 or 3 here at one point. On 8/15/2011 2:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: If you have a CompUSA nearby they have everything you need at a little bit more than NewEgg. In fact, they have some sort of partnership with NewEgg. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net wrote: is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The new owners opened a few of the old stores, not sure how many of them. I didn't even realize the one here had reopened until someone told me. They still suck, IMHO, but it's an easy place to go to find something when I'm in a hurry and not get ripped off by places like Best Buy. They are heavily into marketing now-they want a phone number for every purchase under the guise of needing it for the warranty. I enjoy telling them I don't have to give them a phone number to get the warranty. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I thought they all went out of business? The one here shut down years ago. Now the only big box computer store is best buy. We used to have 2 or 3 here at one point. On 8/15/2011 2:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: If you have a CompUSA nearby they have everything you need at a little bit more than NewEgg. In fact, they have some sort of partnership with NewEgg. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net wrote: is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HP bought out Compaq some years back. Due to licensing on some product lines, they are still sold under the Compaq brand name but are made by HP. HP makes good stuff for the most part. You will be hard pressed to find much in the way of desktops these days. When I went out to buy my youngest son a computer for college last year, you could hardly find a desktop anywhere. Everyone was selling laptops. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So HP or Compaq are the same company now, but how are they as compared to a dell or emachines? Are they junk? On 8/15/2011 2:38 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: No difference, they're the same company now. My last (current) roll it myself was ~$750, and had specs better than the $1200 machines. Walt On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net wrote: I would agree with that except I will say this one has been plugging along for 4-5 years and never had a bit of trouble till now. As I said before, I usually roll my own, and am looking into that now but it has been my experience lately thats its cheaper to just go buy one at the store. If I do go that route again, what about HP or compaq? On 8/15/2011 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I worked on a lot of eMachines in the past, and regretted it every time. It was obvious that they put whatever was the cheapest that day in the box. Case in point: I had two identical machines on the bench, both with the same model number and specs, and they had totally different motherboards, video cards, etc. The only thing that allowed you to see the differences was by looking up the serial numbers on their web site. Major POS computers from my experience. An excellent example of you get what you pay for. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.comwrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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By the time you buy the required power supply, you will find that you can buy a power supply in a case cheaper in most cases. Nothing stopping you from buying the new barebones with a case, then taking out the PS and throw away the new case. There are lots of places to buy components. Some price barebones systems. Many of the tigerdierct barebones systems are a set of components for a complete computer, less OS. I had trouble 10 years ago with a computer bought tiger. The only way it ever got resolved was when I made the CC Company do a chargeback. Never got a working computer from them, but did get the money back. I am less afraid to buy barebones or components from them. Tiger does email out some good deals on barebones kits. Newegg and OWC have better customer service. is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HP/Compaq/Dell are all pretty much the same. they all use non-std components just like emachines in some models. Lots of crap on the hard drive and lots of advertising built in. They like to hide things from you, so you get disgusted and take the thing to one of their stealers. So HP or Compaq are the same company now, but how are they as compared to a dell or emachines? Are they junk? On 8/15/2011 2:38 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: No difference, they're the same company now. My last (current) roll it myself was ~$750, and had specs better than the $1200 machines. Walt On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net wrote: I would agree with that except I will say this one has been plugging along for 4-5 years and never had a bit of trouble till now. As I said before, I usually roll my own, and am looking into that now but it has been my experience lately thats its cheaper to just go buy one at the store. If I do go that route again, what about HP or compaq? On 8/15/2011 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I worked on a lot of eMachines in the past, and regretted it every time. It was obvious that they put whatever was the cheapest that day in the box. Case in point: I had two identical machines on the bench, both with the same model number and specs, and they had totally different motherboards, video cards, etc. The only thing that allowed you to see the differences was by looking up the serial numbers on their web site. Major POS computers from my experience. An excellent example of you get what you pay for. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.comwrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: There are lots of places to buy components. Some price barebones systems. Many of the tigerdierct barebones systems are a set of components for a complete computer, less OS. I had trouble 10 years ago with a computer bought tiger. The only way it ever got resolved was when I made the CC Company do a chargeback. Never got a working computer from them, but did get the money back. I am less afraid to buy barebones or components from them. Tiger does email out some good deals on barebones kits. I always thought barebones was a system with no RAM, no OS, and no hard drive. Guess you need to read the definitions -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's because they are owned by Newegg. On 8/15/2011 2:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: If you have a CompUSA nearby they have everything you need at a little bit more than NewEgg. In fact, they have some sort of partnership with NewEgg. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net wrote: is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3835 - Release Date: 08/15/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I use Directron (Houston Based) or Newegg foe 90% of my needs. Newegg has specials on BareBones systems that are hard to beat. Had Bad experiences with Tiger Direct on their shipping cost i.e 15 bucks for USPS shipping on a part that weighed 7oz. Sh Russ W. On 8/15/2011 2:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3835 - Release Date: 08/15/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have not looked yet but back when I used to order bare bones, they had a tool that you picked what MB, memory, case, any other accessories you wanted and priced it. You could order it anyway you wanted. In my case, I would probably just go with a new case, MB, processor, and ram. I can move my other stuff over. On 8/15/2011 3:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com writes: There are lots of places to buy components. Some price barebones systems. Many of the tigerdierct barebones systems are a set of components for a complete computer, less OS. I had trouble 10 years ago with a computer bought tiger. The only way it ever got resolved was when I made the CC Company do a chargeback. Never got a working computer from them, but did get the money back. I am less afraid to buy barebones or components from them. Tiger does email out some good deals on barebones kits. I always thought barebones was a system with no RAM, no OS, and no hard drive. Guess you need to read the definitions ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think tiger started the practice of grossly overcharging for freight that is so widespread now. In fact it led to ups and fedex charging next day air prices for 7 day ground packages. I use Directron (Houston Based) or Newegg foe 90% of my needs. Newegg has specials on BareBones systems that are hard to beat. Had Bad experiences with Tiger Direct on their shipping cost i.e 15 bucks for USPS shipping on a part that weighed 7oz. Sh Russ W. On 8/15/2011 2:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: is tiger direct the best place these days to get a bare bone? I have always build my own computers but this last time I just bought this cheap emachine deal. I have the system less the hard drive from my system before, its a big server type case but I suppose I could put a new board in it and use that system. Only thing though is I am not sure the power supply has the proper connection for those new style (sata?) hard drives. On 8/15/2011 9:10 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Bzzt! emachine often use oddball cases. it may not be compatible with standard components. Tigerdirect also has barebones systems for pretty good prices. Might be cured with a pci video card, but may be other motherboard problems. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3835 - Release Date: 08/15/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HP bought Compaq 9+ years ago. All computers in the $200-$800 range are absolute crap. Anybody who pitches the All Macs are better than PCs foolishness has never used a good PC. The home use PCs are all garbage. Look on eBay for a used HP xw8200 or xw8400, those are real workstation class PCs, you should be able to find one cheap. Keep the innards clean and it'll SMOKE any of the POS black Friday deal crap you can buy at any big box store. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:54:58 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Message-ID: sig.820819f4cc.4e497992.3020...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed So HP or Compaq are the same company now, but how are they as compared to a dell or emachines? Are they junk? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A bad power supply can do all of the things you have happening -- all it takes is a drop in voltage to the CPU to kill it, and the PS can drop off line, too. Had the same problem myself occasionally with my brother's computer. You should also check the temperature of the CPU in the BIOS -- if it's hot while idling (as in running the BIOS setup), the capacitors on the MB are going bad and allowing AC signal into the CPU circuit. Causes all sorts of issues, and can do nasty things to your drives, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. On 8/15/2011 5:32 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: A bad power supply can do all of the things you have happening -- all it takes is a drop in voltage to the CPU to kill it, and the PS can drop off line, too. Had the same problem myself occasionally with my brother's computer. You should also check the temperature of the CPU in the BIOS -- if it's hot while idling (as in running the BIOS setup), the capacitors on the MB are going bad and allowing AC signal into the CPU circuit. Causes all sorts of issues, and can do nasty things to your drives, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The only real variable in processors these days is the number of cores on the die, they all run about the same speed -- which is why they don't rate them. 2.5 to 3.0 GHz is the usual range, I think (above that they require liquid helium cooling or they melt!). So your choice is really, two, three, four, or five (or maybe seven) cores, and as far as I can tell for normal use anything above two is totally wasted. Unless you rendering video or maintaining a corporate size database, you will never see the difference. Either AMD or Intel is fine -- I personally prefer AMD because they tend to run cooler and use less power for some reason, and because I'm sorta anti-establishment, but that's personal not professional thinking. Unless you are a power gamer, on board video will be fine too, for that matter. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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what about something like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=758127CatId=336 On 8/15/2011 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. On 8/15/2011 5:32 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: A bad power supply can do all of the things you have happening -- all it takes is a drop in voltage to the CPU to kill it, and the PS can drop off line, too. Had the same problem myself occasionally with my brother's computer. You should also check the temperature of the CPU in the BIOS -- if it's hot while idling (as in running the BIOS setup), the capacitors on the MB are going bad and allowing AC signal into the CPU circuit. Causes all sorts of issues, and can do nasty things to your drives, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb MSI makes some good Mobos. The AMD Phenom CPU is a good one also. The only thing I don't like about the system is the 400w PS. 500w is the least that I use when building a system for a client. That's my 2¢ worth. Russ W. On 8/15/2011 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what about something like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=758127CatId=336 On 8/15/2011 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My AMD Phenom quadcore is running overclocked at 3.5 with air, just happy. Stock heatsink. I've had it to 4 but it was getting a little warmer than I'd like. Walt On Aug 15, 2011 6:42 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The only real variable in processors these days is the number of cores on the die, they all run about the same speed -- which is why they don't rate them. 2.5 to 3.0 GHz is the usual range, I think (above that they require liquid helium cooling or they melt!). So your choice is really, two, three, four, or five (or maybe seven) cores, and as far as I can tell for normal use anything above two is totally wasted. Unless you rendering video or maintaining a corporate size database, you will never see the difference. Either AMD or Intel is fine -- I personally prefer AMD because they tend to run cooler and use less power for some reason, and because I'm sorta anti-establishment, but that's personal not professional thinking. Unless you are a power gamer, on board video will be fine too, for that matter. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Look on eBay for a used HP xw8200 or xw8400, those are real workstation class PCs, you should be able to find one cheap. Keep the innards clean and it'll SMOKE any of the POS black Friday deal crap you can buy at any big box store. http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-XW8200-WORKSTATION-PE371UAR-USED-/320740965890 That ought to be a screamer running Linux, with that much RAM and the RAID controller. I tend to agree with Curt here---if you don't want to roll your own, get a machine that was high-end in its day and give it a second life. (Kind of like buying a W126!) You don't need the latest CPU for most things. Within reason, memory and disk performance have a bigger impact than CPU speed on perceived speed to the end user. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Look on eBay for a used HP xw8200 or xw8400, those are real workstation class PCs, you should be able to find one cheap. Keep the innards clean and it'll SMOKE any of the POS black Friday deal crap you can buy at any big box store. http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-XW8400-WORKSTATION-DUAL-CORE-XEON-5140-8GB-160GB-/110722308165 Wow, this one has a Quadro double-head dual-DVI video card. Day trading, anyone? ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: as far as I can tell for normal use anything above two is totally wasted. Unless you rendering video or maintaining a corporate size database, you will never see the difference. Or writing serious code. Nothing slows down a programmer in the zone like having to take a coffee break while waiting for something to compile... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, hence why I was, and still am, OC'd to 3.5 with 8G of ram. Throw the source in a ramdrive, compile with -j 16, 4 minutes later out pops my cross-compiled kernel. :) Walt On Aug 15, 2011 7:23 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: as far as I can tell for normal use anything above two is totally wasted. Unless you rendering video or maintaining a corporate size database, you will never see the difference. Or writing serious code. Nothing slows down a programmer in the zone like having to take a coffee break while waiting for something to compile... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. Mitch Haley wrote: Possibly failing capacitors on the MB. Cheap way is to replace the caps, easy way is to replace the MB. When I did that to Dad's eMachine this spring, I dropped in a more efficient and stable 80+ certified power supply while I was at it. Make sure the new MB advertises solid caps on at least the CPU power buss. Based on the research I did just recently for a motherboard lost to a power supply failure, I like the Corsair CX430 V2 power supply. I also got an Asus M4N68T-M motherboard and put a 2-core AMD Athlon and 8G RAM on it. It seems to be working out well. It is not a fast, hot machine. But it is not intended for gaming or movies. For SOHO stuff, it's seem to be a dandy! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a windows 2000 CD, you can update it to 2000 SP4 with a process called slipstreaming. Load the cd into a folder on the HD. Download the SP4 executable. Search for slipstream windows 2000 for instructions. Or see: http://www.petri.co.il/windows_2000_xp_sp_slipstreaming.htm Slipsteaming works on any winders OS from 2000 and beyond to install any OS updates. Thanks for the link, Loren! Very helpful. I had heard the term slipstreaming before but not being any kind of a Windows administrator if I can avoid it, didn't really know how to do it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Petri.il is a good source for info when you are a reluctant or professional network admin. Mark menasi is a good source too. www.minasi.com/ On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a windows 2000 CD, you can update it to 2000 SP4 with a process called slipstreaming. Load the cd into a folder on the HD. Download the SP4 executable. Search for slipstream windows 2000 for instructions. Or see: http://www.petri.co.il/windows_2000_xp_sp_slipstreaming.htm Slipsteaming works on any winders OS from 2000 and beyond to install any OS updates. Thanks for the link! Very helpful. I had heard the term slipstreaming before but not being any kind of a Windows administrator if I can avoid it, didn't really know how to do it. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Having spent a fair amount of time since last November doing bench work on enterprise class HP notebooks, I can concur that the consumer stuff is sh*t. There is a distinct difference in the enterprise (business) grade product and the consumer. Much of the difference is not visible, i.e., it's under the hood. When you field strip one and compare it to a consumer model it's amazing how cheap the materials and construction are in comparison. I'm not going to beat my Apple drum here, but Macs are far better constructed, and there is no difference between what I get as an enterprise customer and what you buy at the Apple store or online. Dan From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down HP bought Compaq 9+ years ago. All computers in the $200-$800 range are absolute crap. Anybody who pitches the All Macs are better than PCs foolishness has never used a good PC. The home use PCs are all garbage. Look on eBay for a used HP xw8200 or xw8400, those are real workstation class PCs, you should be able to find one cheap. Keep the innards clean and it'll SMOKE any of the POS black Friday deal crap you can buy at any big box store. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:54:58 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Message-ID: sig.820819f4cc.4e497992.3020...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed So HP or Compaq are the same company now, but how are they as compared to a dell or emachines? Are they junk? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I have had a bad experience with a 'custom' built computer. Have had pretty much all HP stuff. Would agree that workstation grade is the go, particularly as the parts would be more standardized than home use PC's. Had a mobo go on a pavilion a while back and it was an odd size. Ended up getting a SH pavilion for 200 bucks and just put my hard drive into it, so as not to lose data. My HP laptop went funny too but that was more of an software issue, tried to stuff a penguin into it but the penguins where all too fat for that old lapbottom, so the missus surprised me with a shiny white thing that had a fruit on it. I am getting reasonably used to the apple way of doing things but still prefer the bigger screen and keyboard of the desktop. Hendrik who is sending this from a wired HP with a penguin jumping around in the box, well there is windoze on the other hard drive but quickbooks won't run on linux LWB250 wrote: Having spent a fair amount of time since last November doing bench work on enterprise class HP notebooks, I can concur that the consumer stuff is sh*t. There is a distinct difference in the enterprise (business) grade product and the consumer. Much of the difference is not visible, i.e., it's under the hood. When you field strip one and compare it to a consumer model it's amazing how cheap the materials and construction are in comparison. I'm not going to beat my Apple drum here, but Macs are far better constructed, and there is no difference between what I get as an enterprise customer and what you buy at the Apple store or online. Dan From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down HP bought Compaq 9+ years ago. All computers in the $200-$800 range are absolute crap. Anybody who pitches the All Macs are better than PCs foolishness has never used a good PC. The home use PCs are all garbage. Look on eBay for a used HP xw8200 or xw8400, those are real workstation class PCs, you should be able to find one cheap. Keep the innards clean and it'll SMOKE any of the POS black Friday deal crap you can buy at any big box store. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I love apple OS (minus the do it Steve's way stuff), and their hardware is top rate, if sometimes odd. I found that I can't use a 17 laptop -- to big, too heavy, and I cannot see the screen on the 13 ones, so I'm stuck with 15, sorta half way to what I want. You can always attach a larger monitor, it's easy on a Mac. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
