Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-13 Thread John Berryman


On May 12, 2006, at 12:43 PM, BillR wrote:

I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than  
usual, but I
know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an  
answer for
me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of my  
pocket a few
times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is not  
correctable,
making the machine unable to do many of the more interesting things  
I used
to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my desk.  Still connects to  
the PC and
downloads fine.  It does most of what it should but needs help.   
Does anyone
do repairs on such things or know of a reliable source of repairs?   
I've not
tried breaking into the thing as my electronics repair abilities  
seemed to
max out prior to chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things  
apart but
if it is not a loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in  
this one.

TIA.
BillR


	Send it to the manufacturer with a note similar to what you posted  
here. In many cases they replace major components and when necessary,  
the entire device. I've known some manufacturers (hp for one) to have  
a set and rather low repair fee and they ship you a refurbished unit  
regardless of whatever is wrong with yours.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread BillR
That was one of the first tries.  I have been a bit obsessive about it at
times and tried the procedure up to 50+ times in hopes that it was making
some difference.  Machine finally just resets and goes on as before.  When
it started acting up I was able to compensate by doing a purposeful
misalignment about 1/4" low and left.  That let me run the needed programs.
Soon that quit working - and it also made some of the other programs not
function correctly.  I even worked with one of the software makers and they
gave up with trying to get their software to work and refunded my money [BTW
- that was Monopoly - a great and fairly fast game on a handheld].  
Thanks for the suggestion.
BillR

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Bill,

There is an alignment procedure on my Ipaq.  I presume you *have* done that?
If not, then that's the first place to go.

Richard

Trying not to suggest stuff you did yesterday (c:

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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread Richard Hattaway
Bill,

There is an alignment procedure on my Ipaq.  I presume you *have* done
that?  If not, then that's the first place to go.

Richard

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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread BillR
Don't know yet - have been reluctant to open it up, but see little choice as
it is not at all useful at the moment.  I'll let you folks know what I find.
BillR 

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Any chance that there are some kind of adjustment screws or whatever inside?
I'm thinking like a computer monitor where one is able to move the screen
side to side etc by pushing buttons.

Randy B

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Odd thing this.  Physically it seems fine, and the screen is where it should
be, but it just will not align properly and always fails that part of the
self test.  Some programs with options across the top cannot be accessed;
often you need to press outside of whatever spot you are supposed to press
to get a result.  Some other Items seem to work just as they should.  I
think it is electronic - have even resorted to a couple of firm taps from
the opposite direction of the way it smacked into the cement with no result
I could see.  The cost thing is something I fear is true, that to replace
would be cheaper than repair.  It does me no good as is, so am willing to
entrust it to someone with some interest or experience with these things.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

Do you mean the screen is physically out of whack or electronically?  If it
is just twisted in the case (not sure how that could be) then sounds like
you just need to open it up and realign it.  If it is the screen image then
I am not sure how that could be fixed (unless you whack it
again) -- might need some major parts transplant, which would probably cost
more than a new/used one.

--R

BillR wrote:

>I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than usual, 
>but I know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an 
>answer for me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of 
>my pocket a few times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is 
>not correctable, making the machine unable to do many of the more 
>interesting things I used to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my 
>desk.  Still connects to the PC and downloads fine.  It does most of 
>what it should but needs help.  Does anyone do repairs on such things 
>or know of a reliable source of repairs?  I've not tried breaking into 
>the thing as my electronics repair abilities seemed to max out prior to 
>chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things apart but if it is not 
>a
loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in this one.
>TIA.
>BillR
>Jacksonville  FL
>1981 300SD'EM'  275K
>Ipaq 5455 with bad alignment
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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread R A Bennell
Any chance that there are some kind of adjustment screws or whatever inside? 
I'm thinking like a computer monitor
where one is able to move the screen side to side etc by pushing buttons.

Randy B

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455


Odd thing this.  Physically it seems fine, and the screen is where it should
be, but it just will not align properly and always fails that part of the
self test.  Some programs with options across the top cannot be accessed;
often you need to press outside of whatever spot you are supposed to press
to get a result.  Some other Items seem to work just as they should.  I
think it is electronic - have even resorted to a couple of firm taps from
the opposite direction of the way it smacked into the cement with no result
I could see.  The cost thing is something I fear is true, that to replace
would be cheaper than repair.  It does me no good as is, so am willing to
entrust it to someone with some interest or experience with these things.
BillR

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On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

Do you mean the screen is physically out of whack or electronically?  If it
is just twisted in the case (not sure how that could be) then sounds like
you just need to open it up and realign it.  If it is the screen image then
I am not sure how that could be fixed (unless you whack it
again) -- might need some major parts transplant, which would probably cost
more than a new/used one.

--R

BillR wrote:

>I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than usual,
>but I know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an
>answer for me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of
>my pocket a few times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is
>not correctable, making the machine unable to do many of the more
>interesting things I used to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my
>desk.  Still connects to the PC and downloads fine.  It does most of
>what it should but needs help.  Does anyone do repairs on such things
>or know of a reliable source of repairs?  I've not tried breaking into
>the thing as my electronics repair abilities seemed to max out prior to
>chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things apart but if it is not a
loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in this one.
>TIA.
>BillR
>Jacksonville  FL
>1981 300SD'EM'  275K
>Ipaq 5455 with bad alignment
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] for off list contact
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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread Jim Cathey
Pretty much what I feared.  I was shocked some years ago when the 
standard
repair on my Commodore 64 was to junk the insides and reuse the case. 
Repair

work isn't what it used to be.  I'll open it up as I do have nothing to
lose.  But not today.


That, of course, is pretty much the modern mantra of repair, except
for truly expensive (read: military/industrial) items.  That is not
to say, however, that the accomplished and brave DIY cannot fix them,
but it's not cost-effective when you're paying scale for labor.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread BillR
Pretty much what I feared.  I was shocked some years ago when the standard
repair on my Commodore 64 was to junk the insides and reuse the case. Repair
work isn't what it used to be.  I'll open it up as I do have nothing to
lose.  But not today.
BillR

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BillR wrote:
> Sounds like you might be thinking the repair is moving back into my 
> area of experience.  I will get brave tomorrow and crack the case.

Bill,

There are no user serviceable parts inside your iPAQ, nor are there any
field replaceable units contained therein.  Repair of an iPAQ is replacement
of the device.

Not to say that you won't have any luck once you get in there, because I
simply don't know.  All I know is that there aren't any internal spare parts
listed - whole unit replacement only.

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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread BillR
Done several soft and a few hard resets [quite a pain].  No change in the
action.
BillR

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Did you try a soft reset!?
You'll lose any data not in ROM but at this point you have very little
choice, I am afraid.

Good luck,

Omar.
>
>
>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:31:15 -0400
From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

Odd thing this.  Physically it seems fine, and the screen is where it should
be, but it just will not align properly and always fails that part of the
self test.  Some programs with options across the top cannot be accessed;
often you need to press outside of whatever spot you are supposed to press
to get a result.  Some other Items seem to work just as they should.  I
think it is electronic - have even resorted to a couple of firm taps from
the opposite direction of the way it smacked into the cement with no result
I could see.  The cost thing is something I fear is true, that to replace
would be cheaper than repair.  It does me no good as is, so am willing to
entrust it to someone with some interest or experience with these things.
BillR



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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread John Ervine

BillR wrote:

Sounds like you might be thinking the repair is moving back into my area of
experience.  I will get brave tomorrow and crack the case.


Bill,

There are no user serviceable parts inside your iPAQ, nor are there any field 
replaceable units contained therein.  Repair of an iPAQ is replacement of the 
device.


Not to say that you won't have any luck once you get in there, because I simply 
don't know.  All I know is that there aren't any internal spare parts listed - 
whole unit replacement only.


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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread kayoooh @ gmail
Did you try a soft reset!?
You'll lose any data not in ROM but at this point you have very little
choice, I am afraid.

Good luck,

Omar.
>
>
>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:31:15 -0400
From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

Odd thing this.  Physically it seems fine, and the screen is where it should
be, but it just will not align properly and always fails that part of the
self test.  Some programs with options across the top cannot be accessed;
often you need to press outside of whatever spot you are supposed to press
to get a result.  Some other Items seem to work just as they should.  I
think it is electronic - have even resorted to a couple of firm taps from
the opposite direction of the way it smacked into the cement with no result
I could see.  The cost thing is something I fear is true, that to replace
would be cheaper than repair.  It does me no good as is, so am willing to
entrust it to someone with some interest or experience with these things.
BillR





Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread BillR
Sounds like you might be thinking the repair is moving back into my area of
experience.  I will get brave tomorrow and crack the case.
Thanks - 
BillR 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

Ah, I think these touch screens have a touch sensitive layer on top of the
actual display, some kind of plastic with very thin wires in it or something
like that, or maybe some kind of sensors along the edge.  
Maybe that part got moved around relative to the actual display.

--R

BillR wrote:

>Odd thing this.  Physically it seems fine, and the screen is where it 
>should be, but it just will not align properly and always fails that 
>part of the self test.  Some programs with options across the top 
>cannot be accessed; often you need to press outside of whatever spot 
>you are supposed to press to get a result.  Some other Items seem to 
>work just as they should.  I think it is electronic - have even 
>resorted to a couple of firm taps from the opposite direction of the 
>way it smacked into the cement with no result I could see.  The cost 
>thing is something I fear is true, that to replace would be cheaper 
>than repair.  It does me no good as is, so am willing to entrust it to
someone with some interest or experience with these things.
>BillR
>
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>
>Do you mean the screen is physically out of whack or electronically?  
>If it is just twisted in the case (not sure how that could be) then 
>sounds like you just need to open it up and realign it.  If it is the 
>screen image then I am not sure how that could be fixed (unless you 
>whack it
>again) -- might need some major parts transplant, which would probably 
>cost more than a new/used one.
>
>--R
>
>BillR wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than usual, 
>>but I know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an 
>>answer for me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of 
>>my pocket a few times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is 
>>not correctable, making the machine unable to do many of the more 
>>interesting things I used to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my 
>>desk.  Still connects to the PC and downloads fine.  It does most of 
>>what it should but needs help.  Does anyone do repairs on such things 
>>or know of a reliable source of repairs?  I've not tried breaking into 
>>the thing as my electronics repair abilities seemed to max out prior 
>>to chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things apart but if it is 
>>not a
>>
>>
>loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in this one.
>  
>
>>TIA.
>>BillR
>>Jacksonville  FL
>>1981 300SD'EM'  275K
>>Ipaq 5455 with bad alignment
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] for off list contact
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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread Rich Thomas
Ah, I think these touch screens have a touch sensitive layer on top of 
the actual display, some kind of plastic with very thin wires in it or 
something like that, or maybe some kind of sensors along the edge.  
Maybe that part got moved around relative to the actual display.


--R

BillR wrote:


Odd thing this.  Physically it seems fine, and the screen is where it should
be, but it just will not align properly and always fails that part of the
self test.  Some programs with options across the top cannot be accessed;
often you need to press outside of whatever spot you are supposed to press
to get a result.  Some other Items seem to work just as they should.  I
think it is electronic - have even resorted to a couple of firm taps from
the opposite direction of the way it smacked into the cement with no result
I could see.  The cost thing is something I fear is true, that to replace
would be cheaper than repair.  It does me no good as is, so am willing to
entrust it to someone with some interest or experience with these things.
BillR 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

Do you mean the screen is physically out of whack or electronically?  If it
is just twisted in the case (not sure how that could be) then sounds like
you just need to open it up and realign it.  If it is the screen image then
I am not sure how that could be fixed (unless you whack it
again) -- might need some major parts transplant, which would probably cost
more than a new/used one.

--R

BillR wrote:

 

I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than usual, 
but I know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an 
answer for me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of 
my pocket a few times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is 
not correctable, making the machine unable to do many of the more 
interesting things I used to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my 
desk.  Still connects to the PC and downloads fine.  It does most of 
what it should but needs help.  Does anyone do repairs on such things 
or know of a reliable source of repairs?  I've not tried breaking into 
the thing as my electronics repair abilities seemed to max out prior to 
chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things apart but if it is not a
   


loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in this one.
 


TIA.
BillR
Jacksonville  FL
1981 300SD'EM'  275K
Ipaq 5455 with bad alignment
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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread BillR
Odd thing this.  Physically it seems fine, and the screen is where it should
be, but it just will not align properly and always fails that part of the
self test.  Some programs with options across the top cannot be accessed;
often you need to press outside of whatever spot you are supposed to press
to get a result.  Some other Items seem to work just as they should.  I
think it is electronic - have even resorted to a couple of firm taps from
the opposite direction of the way it smacked into the cement with no result
I could see.  The cost thing is something I fear is true, that to replace
would be cheaper than repair.  It does me no good as is, so am willing to
entrust it to someone with some interest or experience with these things.
BillR 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

Do you mean the screen is physically out of whack or electronically?  If it
is just twisted in the case (not sure how that could be) then sounds like
you just need to open it up and realign it.  If it is the screen image then
I am not sure how that could be fixed (unless you whack it
again) -- might need some major parts transplant, which would probably cost
more than a new/used one.

--R

BillR wrote:

>I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than usual, 
>but I know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an 
>answer for me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of 
>my pocket a few times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is 
>not correctable, making the machine unable to do many of the more 
>interesting things I used to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my 
>desk.  Still connects to the PC and downloads fine.  It does most of 
>what it should but needs help.  Does anyone do repairs on such things 
>or know of a reliable source of repairs?  I've not tried breaking into 
>the thing as my electronics repair abilities seemed to max out prior to 
>chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things apart but if it is not a
loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in this one.
>TIA.
>BillR
>Jacksonville  FL
>1981 300SD'EM'  275K
>Ipaq 5455 with bad alignment
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Re: [MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread Rich Thomas
Do you mean the screen is physically out of whack or electronically?  If 
it is just twisted in the case (not sure how that could be) then sounds 
like you just need to open it up and realign it.  If it is the screen 
image then I am not sure how that could be fixed (unless you whack it 
again) -- might need some major parts transplant, which would probably 
cost more than a new/used one.


--R

BillR wrote:


I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than usual, but I
know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an answer for
me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of my pocket a few
times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is not correctable,
making the machine unable to do many of the more interesting things I used
to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my desk.  Still connects to the PC and
downloads fine.  It does most of what it should but needs help.  Does anyone
do repairs on such things or know of a reliable source of repairs?  I've not
tried breaking into the thing as my electronics repair abilities seemed to
max out prior to chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things apart but
if it is not a loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in this one.
TIA.
BillR
Jacksonville  FL
1981 300SD'EM'  275K
Ipaq 5455 with bad alignment
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[MBZ] OT even further than usual - IPAQ 5455

2006-05-12 Thread BillR
I will apologize in advance for being even more off topic than usual, but I
know of no other knowledge base broad enough to probably have an answer for
me.  I have had my constant companion IPAQ 5455 drop out of my pocket a few
times and now the screen alignment is so far off it is not correctable,
making the machine unable to do many of the more interesting things I used
to do on it.  It is sitting unused on my desk.  Still connects to the PC and
downloads fine.  It does most of what it should but needs help.  Does anyone
do repairs on such things or know of a reliable source of repairs?  I've not
tried breaking into the thing as my electronics repair abilities seemed to
max out prior to chips and printed circuits.  Fun to take things apart but
if it is not a loose wire I'm out of luck.  Not too many tubes in this one.
TIA.
BillR
Jacksonville  FL
1981 300SD'EM'  275K
Ipaq 5455 with bad alignment
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for off list contact