Re: [MBZ] OT reverse crank call - missed oportunity

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly. But they have been known to show up in person if you dodge them. I 
worked for a guy who failed to pay his employee’s withholding taxes for some 
time, and regularly dodged the collection calls. One day (after I had left his 
employ) a GSA car rolls up, two IRS employees get out, walk in, tell everyone 
to leave after which they padlocked the doors and posted an order of attachment.

“Vishing” is the practice of calling someone and claiming to be someone you’re 
not to get money out of them, such as posing as an IRS agent and threatening 
the recipient with arrest if they don’t whip out their credit card and pay the 
“taxes owed”.

“Voice phishing”.

-D

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Basically the IRS will never call you cold. Maybe they will if it's
> regarding an ongoing matter. They will always initiate contact by
> mail. Or so has been my experience.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Here is a reference to it in IRS docs:
>> 
>> https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-know-its-really-the-irs-calling-or-knocking-on-your-door
>> 
>> Buddy in the DIA also has something similar that they use when challenged, 
>> often when doing security clearance checks. The old “door to door” thing 
>> where they chat up my neighbors and ask them if you would trust me with the 
>> secrets of the country and if I am doing anything wild or bizarre. With a 
>> number of neighbors who are contractors at MacDill AFB with TS clearances, I 
>> get them every year or two when someone’s clearance needs to be renewed.
>> 
>> I check credentials and validate them every time. They’re usually quite 
>> gracious about it, too. 
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT reverse crank call - missed oportunity

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Basically the IRS will never call you cold. Maybe they will if it's
regarding an ongoing matter. They will always initiate contact by
mail. Or so has been my experience.

Allan


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Here is a reference to it in IRS docs:
>
> https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-know-its-really-the-irs-calling-or-knocking-on-your-door
>
> Buddy in the DIA also has something similar that they use when challenged, 
> often when doing security clearance checks. The old “door to door” thing 
> where they chat up my neighbors and ask them if you would trust me with the 
> secrets of the country and if I am doing anything wild or bizarre. With a 
> number of neighbors who are contractors at MacDill AFB with TS clearances, I 
> get them every year or two when someone’s clearance needs to be renewed.
>
> I check credentials and validate them every time. They’re usually quite 
> gracious about it, too. 
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] OT reverse crank call - missed oportunity

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here is a reference to it in IRS docs:

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-know-its-really-the-irs-calling-or-knocking-on-your-door
 


Buddy in the DIA also has something similar that they use when challenged, 
often when doing security clearance checks. The old “door to door” thing where 
they chat up my neighbors and ask them if you would trust me with the secrets 
of the country and if I am doing anything wild or bizarre. With a number of 
neighbors who are contractors at MacDill AFB with TS clearances, I get them 
every year or two when someone’s clearance needs to be renewed.

I check credentials and validate them every time. They’re usually quite 
gracious about it, too. 

-D

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:18 PM, greg via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Um...this is the first I've heard of this. Apparently this directive was
> issued in '04, and I retired in '08 after 32 years in DOJ and DHS.
> 
> From what I see on the 'netz, the order is about consistency of
> credentials; so to be able to confirm identity from looking at
> credentials.
> 
> I'm not sure how this could be done by phone.
> 
> When I was "on the job" I would sometimes ask for their boss's name, then
> call the publicly available number and ask to speak to that person.
> 
> One time a manager asked me to help a female Interpol agent. My spidey
> senses were tingling a little, so I told her I had never seen Interpol
> creds and was curious. She was a phony!
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
>> I just ask them for their HSPD-12 ID information.
>> 
>> U.S. Government employees, such as with the IRS or other agencies are
>> provided an HSPD-12 upon employment for verification of their employment.
>> On the HSPD-12 is a number you can call to give the information on the
>> HSPD-12 to and get a confirmation that the person is a real U.S.
>> Government employee.
>> 
>> They typically donâ?Tt have any idea of what Iâ?Tm talking about so they
>> hang up.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I just got a robocall from the Federal Reserve, there has been some
>>> illegal activity on my accounts, press 1 to speak to a Federal Reserve
>>> Officer.
>>> 
>>> OK, this could be FUN! I press 1...
>>> 
>>> And they drop the call.  Darn!  I was all ready with "Special Agent
>>> Kellog
>>> here, FBI Charleston, what seems to be the problem?"
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT reverse crank call - missed oportunity

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just ask them for their HSPD-12 ID information.

U.S. Government employees, such as with the IRS or other agencies are provided 
an HSPD-12 upon employment for verification of their employment. On the HSPD-12 
is a number you can call to give the information on the HSPD-12 to and get a 
confirmation that the person is a real U.S. Government employee.

They typically don’t have any idea of what I’m talking about so they hang up.

-D

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I just got a robocall from the Federal Reserve, there has been some
> illegal activity on my accounts, press 1 to speak to a Federal Reserve
> Officer.
> 
> OK, this could be FUN! I press 1...
> 
> And they drop the call.  Darn!  I was all ready with "Special Agent Kellog
> here, FBI Charleston, what seems to be the problem?"
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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[MBZ] OT reverse crank call - missed oportunity

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So I just got a robocall from the Federal Reserve, there has been some
illegal activity on my accounts, press 1 to speak to a Federal Reserve
Officer.

OK, this could be FUN! I press 1...

And they drop the call.  Darn!  I was all ready with "Special Agent Kellog
here, FBI Charleston, what seems to be the problem?"
-
Max
Charleston SC
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