Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Many new cars have electric parking brake. I can't figure why... Curt  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 11:08 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: What year was the Lexus? My '08 Prius has an all mechanical parking brake. Stomp on the foot

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

What year was the Lexus? My '08 Prius has an all mechanical parking brake. Stomp on the foot pedal and it stops rolling. Gerry '83 300D '83 240D '08 Prius Karl Wittnebel wrote: > On a serious note, my uphill neighbor on the same long, straight, steep > driveway experienced a total power failure

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

On a serious note, my uphill neighbor on the same long, straight, steep driveway experienced a total power failure on a lexis hybrid suv at the top of the drive. It then began rolling backward down the hill and there was little she could do to stop it, because everything was electrically actuated.

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

for the kids today, an app on their cell phone might work just as well. So long as they don't need to look up! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

That's for the totals, look at the rate per 100 million miles driven - it's still going down. I suspect that it's due to all those safety things that MB keeps inventing and allowing others to freely copy/use. On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Traffic fatality trends: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/overview-of-fatality-facts#Trends Looks like we've hit a plateau. I blame (fill in the blank) !!! Note that the plateau started around 1992, there was a large drop for the 2008/9 recession (fewer miles

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

If you don't like how the cars are being built, don't buy them. Build your own to your own specs - you'll have no one but yourself to blame for any failures, but you'll also have the knowledge to fix/change them. Aircraft likewise - hence the Wittman Tailwind I'm building. On Thu, Jun 30, 2016

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

The 787 rollout wasn't what you'd call a smashing success, several battery issues one of which IIRC filled a plane with smoke. Still both Boeing and Airbus make astonishingly safe aircraft that fly millions of miles between incidents. Many (most?) of the "issues" are human related, not the

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Allahuwa Akbar Airlines --JC On 6/30/16 12:40 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Much so. Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the Mediterranean? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Yes, I think so. Boeing had an issue recently too with a plane on fire - Singapore maybe? They got everyone off alive. RB On 30/06/2016 11:40 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Much so. Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the Mediterranean? Wilton On 30/06/2016 10:52

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Much so. Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the Mediterranean? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Randy Bennell" Sent:

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

On 30/06/2016 10:57 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Reminds me: 12-year-old grandson showed me how to use the nav system in Schwartze (MB 211). Wilton Yes, the very young children have grown up with things like cell phones, iPads and laptop computers. Our 9 year old great niece works the

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Reminds me of something I read once, a farmer complaining that the tractor had ruined farming and his sons would never know how to farm with horses.His buddy replies "I never learned to farm with oxen and I seem to have done alright." I think every generation rails that the younger generation is

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

'Reminds me: 12-year-old grandson showed me how to use the nav system in Schwartze (MB 211). Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Randy Bennell" Sent:

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

On 30/06/2016 10:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: A flat battery would ruin your day. Fred Reminds me of the old poster that said, "one little nuclear bomb can just ruin your whole day". RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

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On 30/06/2016 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Fly Boeing. Wilton Is that like, if it is not Boeing, I am not going? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

On 30/06/2016 10:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Randy, et al. A flat battery would ruin your day. Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc. In the split second available, could it be done effectively? I think

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Fly Boeing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Curt Raymond" Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

A podcast I listen to recently included the line "People wouldn't die". I sent them a note mentioning that EVERYBODY will die at some point, maybe they meant "people wouldn't die right now". They were good enough to correct themselves in a later episode... -Curt From: Fred Moir via

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

I'm wondering how those cars will fare in the zombie apocalypse... - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Skynet will soon be here to do it all for us > > --JC > > ___

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Joel. Your faith in technology is sweet. My life-long observation of the brilliance/greed/and plain ego driven designs make me very wary of claims of omnipotence. "They are lousy shots, they'll never hit me from he." Trust but verify and train to handle all foreseeable faults, and

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Hmm, I hadn't thought of it before but in an accident where battery power fails do you end up with a car you can't put into park? Of course in a bad front end collision I can see the linkage for a shifter getting destroyed too. I'm not a fan of the electric parking brake concept. I can see

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Skynet will soon be here to do it all for us --JC On 6/30/16 11:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Randy, et al. A flat battery would ruin your day. Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc. In the split second

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Randy, et al. A flat battery would ruin your day. Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc. In the split second available, could it be done effectively? I think not. YMMV Fred For us old folks who grew up with

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

On 29/06/2016 11:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Yup. A shift lever, even if it is only hooked to wires, can be operated on instinct/adreneline. (Shove it in park as soon as it stops after an accident.) that will never happen with a rotary switch on the console. There has to be

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

On 29/06/2016 11:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: I saw a GenU-wine 57 plymie today! Running down the road, pushbuttons and all! Faded red with a white top. BIG fins! Trailing a plume of blue smoke? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

I can attest to that - "Shove it into park as soon as it stops after an accident," that is. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curley McLain via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Curley McLain" <126die...@gmail.com> Sent:

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Curley sez: >‎saw a GenU-wine 57 plymie >today! Running down the road, >pushbuttons  >and all! Faded red with a white >top. BIG fins! Christine. Be afraid. Very afraid.   ‎http://stephenking.wikia.com/wiki/Christine_(car) Rick  Sent from my BlackBerry Z10   Original Message  

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

I saw a GenU-wine 57 plymie today! Running down the road, pushbuttons and all! Faded red with a white top. BIG fins! Mitch Haley via Mercedes June 29, 2016 at 7:05 PM A friend in high school had a 1962 Polara with push button torqueflite transmission.

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Dabummer and albore are fixated on suffocating trees. Where are the treehuggers when trees are REALLY in danger? Meade Dillon via Mercedes June 29, 2016 at 11:19 AM I blame the Feds. The CAFE standards are driving automakers to extremes to lower fuel

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Yup. A shift lever, even if it is only hooked to wires, can be operated on instinct/adreneline. (Shove it in park as soon as it stops after an accident.) that will never happen with a rotary switch on the console. There has to be conscious thought (and visual contact) to move it to a

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

On June 29, 2016 at 7:44 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:The last push-button shifter I saw was on an Edsel.A friend in high school had a 1962 Polara with push button torqueflite

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Renault Dauphine. Dan > On Jun 29, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > The last push-button shifter I saw was on an Edsel. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives

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The last push-button shifter I saw was on an Edsel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

My SWMBO only ever drove a manual transmission until after I married her, her Dad would only buy (and allow her to buy) manual transmission cars. She didn't have a clue about how to drive my '87 wagon when I bought it (and she was long done with a PHD in music at that point), so I had to give her

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Am I missing something? Where are people being killed? Until recently the fuel economy of most vehicles was abysmal and for small cars had slid from the late '80s/early '90s. My '98 Jetta can do 50mpg easily, the '05 Golf can do 50 but its a struggle. Actually that reminds me I need to get

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

I blame the Feds. The CAFE standards are driving automakers to extremes to lower fuel consumption, which directly results in more human deaths. From wikipedia: "Proposal: On May 19, 2009, President Barack Obama proposed a new national fuel economy

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

The only complaint I have about the rotary dial is that its the same size and shape as the HVAC knobs. When we test drove the eco-Diesel pickup a couple years ago it was off to the side of the HVAC and slightly twisted so it wasn't in the same plane. The Chrysler 200 I rented a couple months

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

I can see how that rotary switch isn't too bad, but can you operate without looking? Can you operate it correctly when fear / shock / adrenaline are in play, like following a collision? With complexity comes risk, and if each auto maker goes their own way, switching between vehicles becomes a

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Most Chrysler products use a rotary switch just like the Land Rover one pictured. Its plenty intuitive, you dial up the gear you want. To be easier it'd need to do it for you... -Curt From: Curley McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Driving the ML blueytechie the other day I shut it off (pushed a button) while it was still in "D" (push a lever sorta down) and it appeared not to then go into "P" since I had not pushed the button on the end of the lever to tell it to "P" before pushing it off. It seemed to still be in

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

Yep! the pushbutton gearshift has gone to the absurd! A simple lever still works best, even if it is only and electric switch with detents. At the auction I had to drive some of those miserable goofy things. The one pictured as lan drover, with the rotary switch was in something I drove,

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

On the other hand if you're too stupid to make sure you're in park before you get out of the car you probably need to be weeded out of the gene pool... -Curt From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes To: Mercedes Cc: Meade Dillon

[MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

PRNDL is dead, long live PRNDL! http://www.autonews.com/article/20160627/OEM11/306279980/array-of-levers-and-dials-complicates-a-once-simple-function I would think that if I needed to read the manual just to figure out how to shift the transmission, I have just demonstrated that the car (or