Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-06 Thread Mitch Haley
Might be a better deal than my $2000 one with parchment interior and 235k miles 
if you get it for $5k or so. I had to have the seller take mine to an indy shop 
for transmission and steering work before I could drive it home, so I had $3k 
into a car that needed tires by the time I had it in my driveway.


Aside from some light bubbles at a corner of the sunroof, mine is rust free 
after a hard life in NH and MA.


Make sure the transmission doesn't do anything odd. Most electronic problems 
with trans can be fixed with a $200 conductor plate and $100 worth of ATF. 
Probably a $700 job at the dealer.


It's got a pop up sunroof, does the roof retract smoothly, and pop up too?

Do the displays for climate control and radio work? Mine have a lot of dead LCD 
segments.


As with any ACC car, make sure the climate control functions as intended.

How old are the accumulators in the rear suspension?

Pay attention to any warnings from the instrument cluster.

When do they say it was last serviced?
When does the dash display say it needs another service?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-06 Thread Mitch Haley

Robert Koziak wrote:

While I am asking what tires would you suggest if I get the car?



These are clearly the best performing all season tires for it, but customer 
reports of sidewall failures made me pick something else:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=ContinentaltireModel=ExtremeContact+DWSpartnum=155WR6ECDWSvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yes

I narrowed my choices down to these two and then bought the Generals.
The Kumhos seem to have a better reputation as a performance tire, the Generals 
might be a bit better in snow.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=KumhotireModel=Ecsta+4Xpartnum=155WR6E4XvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yes
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GeneraltireModel=G-MAX+AS-03partnum=155WR6GMAS03vehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yes

Jury's still out on my pick, but so far I'm happy with them.


Get General Altimax Artic or take a look at Nokian if you want dedicated snow 
tires.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-06 Thread Mitch Haley

Robert Koziak wrote:

Thanks to all for the feedback!


I am not sure I know what comand climate control is. 


COMAND was the name for replacing the CC panel with a navigation screen.
Early versions are not highly regarded, and map updates are either overpriced or 
unobtainable.


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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-06 Thread Robert Koziak


Mitch, 
   The present owner has no service records, but besides the door dings the 
car looks really clean and well maintained.  It's originally from Greenwich 
Connecticut so I am hoping to call Mercedes Dealers in the area and see if they 
will release service records.  I assume he used a dealer, The radio screen has 
a slight crack and discoloration but works.  Hopefully this does not get worse.


  I didn't realize there is a way to see when it needs the next 
service...good idea.  The VIN WDBJH82F9XX023290 comes back with no ssues on 
a simple auto check search but it has no details.
The feedback is appreciated!


Bob


 



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w/tan interior


Might be a better deal than my $2000 one with parchment interior and 235k miles 
if you get it for $5k or so. I had to have the seller take mine to an indy shop 
for transmission and steering work before I could drive it home, so I had $3k 
into a car that needed tires by the time I had it in my driveway.

Aside from some light bubbles at a corner of the sunroof, mine is rust free 
after a hard life in NH and MA.

Make sure the transmission doesn't do anything odd. Most electronic problems 
with trans can be fixed with a $200 conductor plate and $100 worth of ATF. 
Probably a $700 job at the dealer.

It's got a pop up sunroof, does the roof retract smoothly, and pop up too?

Do the displays for climate control and radio work? Mine have a lot of dead LCD 
segments.

As with any ACC car, make sure the climate control functions as intended.

How old are the accumulators in the rear suspension?

Pay attention to any warnings from the instrument cluster.

When do they say it was last serviced?
When does the dash display say it needs another service?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-06 Thread dseretakis
There is a MB dealership in Greenwich.  Not sure if they can legally disclose 
anything to you. 
Coming from Greenwich is probably a good thing, aside from salt use.

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On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote:

 
 
 Mitch, 
   The present owner has no service records, but besides the door dings 
 the car looks really clean and well maintained.  It's originally from 
 Greenwich Connecticut so I am hoping to call Mercedes Dealers in the area and 
 see if they will release service records.  I assume he used a dealer, The 
 radio screen has a slight crack and discoloration but works.  Hopefully this 
 does not get worse.
 
 
  I didn't realize there is a way to see when it needs the next 
 service...good idea.  The VIN WDBJH82F9XX023290 comes back with no ssues 
 on a simple auto check search but it has no details.
 The feedback is appreciated!
 
 
 Bob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 10:25 am
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue 
 w/tan interior
 
 
 Might be a better deal than my $2000 one with parchment interior and 235k 
 miles 
 if you get it for $5k or so. I had to have the seller take mine to an indy 
 shop 
 for transmission and steering work before I could drive it home, so I had $3k 
 into a car that needed tires by the time I had it in my driveway.
 
 Aside from some light bubbles at a corner of the sunroof, mine is rust free 
 after a hard life in NH and MA.
 
 Make sure the transmission doesn't do anything odd. Most electronic problems 
 with trans can be fixed with a $200 conductor plate and $100 worth of ATF. 
 Probably a $700 job at the dealer.
 
 It's got a pop up sunroof, does the roof retract smoothly, and pop up too?
 
 Do the displays for climate control and radio work? Mine have a lot of dead 
 LCD 
 segments.
 
 As with any ACC car, make sure the climate control functions as intended.
 
 How old are the accumulators in the rear suspension?
 
 Pay attention to any warnings from the instrument cluster.
 
 When do they say it was last serviced?
 When does the dash display say it needs another service?
 Mitch.
 
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[MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread Robert Koziak
Hi Guys,


I am looking to purchase a 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic wagon with 
97K.  The asking price is $6,500 but I think I can get it for $5,000.  Clean 
car fax no accidents.  It was an estate car garaged kept according to the 
seller who worked for the wealthy owner.  He said it was dealer serviced by the 
original owner but has no history or records.  He is selling because his wife 
wants a new car and was going to trade it in but the dealer is offering wasn't 
offering him much.   Second owner it has a quite a few door dings and dents but 
nothing too bad.  Everything works.  New A/C compressor.  There is condensation 
in one of the headlights so that might have to be replaced.


   I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with that 
year and model car?  Is there anything I should be checking before making a 
deal?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated asap.  He is not doing a hard 
sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is not sold.


Sincerely,


Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread clay monroe
get a pre purchase inspection.  I assume you took if for a ride and everything 
seems worth putting cash down now.  If he is willing to have a shop check it 
and give you news of hidden issues, then buy after the inspection.  Not willing 
to let it get inspected, walk away

clay

On Jan 5, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Robert Koziak wrote:

 Hi Guys,
 
 
I am looking to purchase a 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic wagon with 
 97K.  The asking price is $6,500 but I think I can get it for $5,000.  Clean 
 car fax no accidents.  It was an estate car garaged kept according to the 
 seller who worked for the wealthy owner.  He said it was dealer serviced by 
 the original owner but has no history or records.  He is selling because his 
 wife wants a new car and was going to trade it in but the dealer is offering 
 wasn't offering him much.   Second owner it has a quite a few door dings and 
 dents but nothing too bad.  Everything works.  New A/C compressor.  There is 
 condensation in one of the headlights so that might have to be replaced.
 
 
   I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with that 
 year and model car?  Is there anything I should be checking before making a 
 deal?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated asap.  He is not doing a 
 hard sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is not sold.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 
 Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread Dan Penoff
What Clay said.  Invest in a PPI from a trusted dealer or independent mechanic 
and see how it looks to their discriminating eye.

That way you'll know if it's worth pursuing and you may even have some leverage 
if something turns up (if you're still interested at that point.)

I would never buy a used car without a PPI, with the exception of a list member 
in most cases

Dan


On Jan 5, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Robert Koziak wrote:

 Hi Guys,
 
 
I am looking to purchase a 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic wagon with 
 97K.  The asking price is $6,500 but I think I can get it for $5,000.  Clean 
 car fax no accidents.  It was an estate car garaged kept according to the 
 seller who worked for the wealthy owner.  He said it was dealer serviced by 
 the original owner but has no history or records.  He is selling because his 
 wife wants a new car and was going to trade it in but the dealer is offering 
 wasn't offering him much.   Second owner it has a quite a few door dings and 
 dents but nothing too bad.  Everything works.  New A/C compressor.  There is 
 condensation in one of the headlights so that might have to be replaced.
 
 
   I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with that 
 year and model car?  Is there anything I should be checking before making a 
 deal?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated asap.  He is not doing a 
 hard sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is not sold.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 
 Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread Robert Koziak
The seller was very willing to let me take it to a mechanic which I am 
arranging for Monday.  I was concerned about known issues for that year and 
model (ie transmission, head gasket etc.)  Should I be concerned about major 
maintenance work needed at 97K like timing belt.  In addition is that a 
reasonable price if everything checks out.  I need to invest in new tires so 
that cost has to be condidered too.  While I am asking what tires would you 
suggest if I get the car?


Bob



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w/tan interior


What Clay said.  Invest in a PPI from a trusted dealer or independent mechanic 
and see how it looks to their discriminating eye.

That way you'll know if it's worth pursuing and you may even have some leverage 
if something turns up (if you're still interested at that point.)

I would never buy a used car without a PPI, with the exception of a list member 
in most cases

Dan


On Jan 5, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Robert Koziak wrote:

 Hi Guys,
 
 
I am looking to purchase a 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic wagon with 
97K.  The asking price is $6,500 but I think I can get it for $5,000.  Clean 
car 
fax no accidents.  It was an estate car garaged kept according to the seller 
who 
worked for the wealthy owner.  He said it was dealer serviced by the original 
owner but has no history or records.  He is selling because his wife wants a 
new 
car and was going to trade it in but the dealer is offering wasn't offering him 
much.   Second owner it has a quite a few door dings and dents but nothing too 
bad.  Everything works.  New A/C compressor.  There is condensation in one of 
the headlights so that might have to be replaced.
 
 
   I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with that 
year and model car?  Is there anything I should be checking before making a 
deal?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated asap.  He is not doing a hard 
sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is not sold.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 
 Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread Rick Knoble
Mitch? Oh Mitch? Mitch does very thorough research and he bought one of these 
about a year ago. 

On Jan 5, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote:

  I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with that 
 year and model car?

Apparently if the climate control is COMAND, stay away. Stability control (I 
forgot the acronym) is a plus (there was a thread on this a couple days back). 

   He is not doing a hard sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is 
 not sold.

Then, yes, he is doing a hard sell. 

Sorry. 

Get a PPI, like the others said. Even a Firestone $20 inspection is better than 
nothing. If the seller balks at that, that is a bad sign. There is a contingent 
(overwhelming majority?) of us on this list that do our own maintenance and 
repairs. If you have to pay the dealer or an independent mechanic, big repairs 
can become quite expensive. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
My father had one and put 288,000 miles on it.  Overall, it was excellent.
 He changed the oil with Mobil One every 7500 miles and the result was an
engine that still performed liked new and didn't consume oil at that high
mileage.  Biggest expensive repairs were transmission replacement, and a
major tuneup including coil packs.  If he had serviced the trans like he
did the engine, it would have lasted much longer... make sure this is done.


Also, watch out for rust... its still a huge problems with these cars, much
more so than earlier models.  Peel back the door seals, look all over the
body for bubbling, and check the front suspension spring perches if its a
2WD model.

All in all, despite the W210 being one of my least favorite modern
Mercedes, its a good reliable car.

Jaime



On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi Guys,


 I am looking to purchase a 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic wagon
 with 97K.  The asking price is $6,500 but I think I can get it for $5,000.
  Clean car fax no accidents.  It was an estate car garaged kept according
 to the seller who worked for the wealthy owner.  He said it was dealer
 serviced by the original owner but has no history or records.  He is
 selling because his wife wants a new car and was going to trade it in but
 the dealer is offering wasn't offering him much.   Second owner it has a
 quite a few door dings and dents but nothing too bad.  Everything works.
  New A/C compressor.  There is condensation in one of the headlights so
 that might have to be replaced.


I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with
 that year and model car?  Is there anything I should be checking before
 making a deal?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated asap.  He is not
 doing a hard sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is not sold.


 Sincerely,


 Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread clay monroe
What he said.

I did PPI on Froggy. Same indy who is now doing the work to get her back on the 
road.  These are not items that showed up on the report, because they were 
functional at that point.  That they failed 8 months in, he could not predict.  
I did all the work items he noted for the car.  Probably should have done 
points and contacts, but did not.  Should have assumed that everything would 
fail, prompting me to placed a massive order with Q, just in case.   WIth the 
current state I could just get a parts car and hope what I strip from it works.

If it looks fine, you know obvious defects can be dealt with for a reasonable 
fee, jump in

clay


On Jan 5, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 What Clay said.  Invest in a PPI from a trusted dealer or independent 
 mechanic and see how it looks to their discriminating eye.
 
 That way you'll know if it's worth pursuing and you may even have some 
 leverage if something turns up (if you're still interested at that point.)
 
 I would never buy a used car without a PPI, with the exception of a list 
 member in most cases
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Jan 5, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Robert Koziak wrote:
 
 Hi Guys,
 
 
   I am looking to purchase a 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic wagon with 
 97K.  The asking price is $6,500 but I think I can get it for $5,000.  Clean 
 car fax no accidents.  It was an estate car garaged kept according to the 
 seller who worked for the wealthy owner.  He said it was dealer serviced by 
 the original owner but has no history or records.  He is selling because his 
 wife wants a new car and was going to trade it in but the dealer is offering 
 wasn't offering him much.   Second owner it has a quite a few door dings and 
 dents but nothing too bad.  Everything works.  New A/C compressor.  There is 
 condensation in one of the headlights so that might have to be replaced.
 
 
  I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with that 
 year and model car?  Is there anything I should be checking before making a 
 deal?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated asap.  He is not doing a 
 hard sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is not sold.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 
 Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread clay monroe
Get the best tires you can afford.  Make sure they will do all you need in your 
environment.

From my perspective, this model year is smack in the middle of the no buy, why 
did they hire untrained simians, are these supposed to be dodge or benz, cars? 
  Value really depends on what you want to do with it, where in the nation you 
happen to be, and how desirable it is in your locale.  I know of a few people 
who head to LAX to pick up audi all wheel drive wagons, drive them up to SEA 
and then make a few grand on them.  Very desirable in the great northwet, not 
so much down in the valley of glitz.


clay

On Jan 5, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Robert Koziak wrote:

 The seller was very willing to let me take it to a mechanic which I am 
 arranging for Monday.  I was concerned about known issues for that year and 
 model (ie transmission, head gasket etc.)  Should I be concerned about major 
 maintenance work needed at 97K like timing belt.  In addition is that a 
 reasonable price if everything checks out.  I need to invest in new tires so 
 that cost has to be condidered too.  While I am asking what tires would you 
 suggest if I get the car?
 
 
 Bob
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:04 pm
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue   
 w/tan interior
 
 
 What Clay said.  Invest in a PPI from a trusted dealer or independent 
 mechanic 
 and see how it looks to their discriminating eye.
 
 That way you'll know if it's worth pursuing and you may even have some 
 leverage 
 if something turns up (if you're still interested at that point.)
 
 I would never buy a used car without a PPI, with the exception of a list 
 member 
 in most cases
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Jan 5, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Robert Koziak wrote:
 
 Hi Guys,
 
 
   I am looking to purchase a 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic wagon with 
 97K.  The asking price is $6,500 but I think I can get it for $5,000.  Clean 
 car 
 fax no accidents.  It was an estate car garaged kept according to the seller 
 who 
 worked for the wealthy owner.  He said it was dealer serviced by the original 
 owner but has no history or records.  He is selling because his wife wants a 
 new 
 car and was going to trade it in but the dealer is offering wasn't offering 
 him 
 much.   Second owner it has a quite a few door dings and dents but nothing 
 too 
 bad.  Everything works.  New A/C compressor.  There is condensation in one of 
 the headlights so that might have to be replaced.
 
 
  I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with that 
 year and model car?  Is there anything I should be checking before making a 
 deal?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated asap.  He is not doing a 
 hard 
 sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is not sold.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 
 Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue w/tan interior

2013-01-05 Thread Robert Koziak

Thanks to all for the feedback!


I am not sure I know what comand climate control is.  Are there different 
types of climate control with different models?  Sorry if its a dumb question. 


 Also I should have clarified the not hard sell a little better.  I was 
watching the car on ebay and it was also listed locally for 10 days.  We 
conversed back and forth with emails and I asked if he would accept an offer.  
At the beginning he told me the car was going to be traded in if it did not 
sell and would consider offers at the end of the auction.



-Original Message-
From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opinions: 1999 Mercedes Benz 320E 4matic Wagon Dark Blue 
w/tan interior


Mitch? Oh Mitch? Mitch does very thorough research and he bought one of these 
about a year ago. 

On Jan 5, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote:

  I would appreciate any opinions  Was there any major issues with that 
year and model car?

Apparently if the climate control is COMAND, stay away. Stability control (I 
forgot the acronym) is a plus (there was a thread on this a couple days back). 

   He is not doing a hard sell at all but is trading it in two days if it is 
not sold.

Then, yes, he is doing a hard sell. 

Sorry. 

Get a PPI, like the others said. Even a Firestone $20 inspection is better than 
nothing. If the seller balks at that, that is a bad sign. There is a contingent 
(overwhelming majority?) of us on this list that do our own maintenance and 
repairs. If you have to pay the dealer or an independent mechanic, big repairs 
can become quite expensive. 

Rick
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