Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel?
It was time to fill up the Dodge Cummins' fuel tank today, ouch ouch OUCH!!!
I noticed that Diesel here in Hillsboro, OR was $3.99/gal! At that price,
it's just as expensive to run as it's gas counterpart. I'm still glad that
I didn't buy the
ement..
Thanks, Tom
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Tom Hargrave wrote:
> It's easy to make massive HP for a
The turbo diesels were built for turbocharging. The NA diesels were not.
Thanks, Tom
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Sent: 3/14/08 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
F
That does sound sweet! Might have to try a project like that when I
retire --- unless I start flying again.
> > Or for 300k miles -
>
> Finn superturbos are said to last just as long as stockers, unless
> of course they blow up. The more extreme cases (like Sammuli's 333hp
> OM602) are disass
OK Don wrote:
>
> Or for 300k miles -
Finn superturbos are said to last just as long as stockers, unless
of course they blow up. The more extreme cases (like Sammuli's 333hp
OM602) are disassembled, blueprinted, and ceramic insulated.
Most of these guys make very sparing use of the extreme
Or for 300k miles -
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to
> make massive HP for an hour run.
>
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and
There are companies that coat pistons with ceramic that will help resist
melting.
Luther
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:44:01 -0600, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system
> can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times.
>
>
Make one if I have to. Linear drivers are about the easiest thing in the
world to make. I did look online at a variety of them though.
-Rolf
John Robbins wrote:
> Rolf wrote:
>
>> The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system
>> can react. Voice coils are millisecond
Rolf wrote:
> The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system
> can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times.
I have confidence that the CC actuator can react just as fast as a
normal wastegate actuator.
Where are you going to get a voice coil actuator?
John
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The problem is that piston melting pressure can occur before the system
can react. Voice coils are millisecond response times.
I think I will take a crack at using the CC motor again. It is just to
conveniently placed and looks awfully OEM.
-Rolf
John Robbins wrote:
> Rolf wrote:
>
>> Ya that
Rolf wrote:
> Ya that is what I had been looking at. According to Lance, the amount of
> pressure that is needed is more or less equal to that of the max boost
> setting. How fast were you able to get it to react?
Depending on how big the wastegate is (pressure x area kinda thing), I
don't think
Ya that is what I had been looking at. According to Lance, the amount of
pressure that is needed is more or less equal to that of the max boost
setting. How fast were you able to get it to react?
-Rolf
John Robbins wrote:
> Rolf wrote:
>
>> You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is t
Rolf wrote:
> You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is that the server
> unit was a spinning motor with an magnetic clutch?
It was a project for work... The clutch engages/disengages the motor,
and it is a standard brushed DC motor. Basically, you engage the
clutch, and run the moto
You had a Humvee under the hood? My understanding is that the server
unit was a spinning motor with an magnetic clutch?
-Rolf
John Robbins wrote:
> Rolf wrote:
>
>> I had also looked at the CC servo unit but I do not believe it can put
>> out enough power OR act fast enough but it would make f
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> A good friend chipped up his PowerStroke (7.3L) to add about 150hp.
>
> At about 50Kmi, while going to get groceries, his wife put a rod threw the
> pan.
There was one brand of chip that went way too far on timing advance and
did that, much sooner if you combined
John Robbins wrote:
>
> The cruise control actuator is STRONG.
If you use a CDI Benz turbo, you already have the perfect actuator.
I just don't know how to drive it. No pinout diagram, and I'd
probably be in over my head trying to program a PIC to run it.
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R A Bennell wrote:
> For me, the answer would be to swap cars for one with the turbo. My 76 300D
> isn't likely to be improved by my
> messing about with it. There used to be kits to put a turbo on the non turbo
> diesels but I think Marshall frowned
> on the idea. I also think it would hardly be
Rolf wrote:
> I had also looked at the CC servo unit but I do not believe it can put
> out enough power OR act fast enough but it would make for a nice OEM
> looking solution.
The cruise control actuator is STRONG. The only problem is that you
need to maintain tension on it (in the same matter a
Want to sell that turbo? Once of the ongoing threads at STD is VNT
control with analog inputs. With the 85 and later diesels you get a
rack, rpm, boost and pedal position from analog devices. I've looked
into actuators, voice coils are the way to go, lots of power and
completely linear.
http://sup
A good friend chipped up his PowerStroke (7.3L) to add about 150hp.
At about 50Kmi, while going to get groceries, his wife put a rod threw the pan.
The $9,000 mistake she made {Panic, kids with her, on main drag of town, 14
qts of oil on the ground, Fire Dept not happy} was to have it towed to
Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
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> On Behalf Of John Robbins
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:51 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ]
there are
lots of factory turbo diesels out there
to be had.
Randy
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:44 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
> R A Benne
John Robbins wrote:
>
> How is that one controlled? I imagine it is electrically actuated.
Yep, it's got a bazillion pin computer interface connector on it.
I would so love to have a PIC computer built for it, with a couple
of knobs in the cockpit to set max boost in first gear and otherwise.
T
Mitch Haley wrote:
> I saw a detailed web page on building turbo exhaust manifolds out of
> iron pipe and elbows. You can buy weldable pipe from places like
> McMaster Carr, already beveled on the ends for arc welding.
I really don't have the time, desire, equipment, or garage to learn how
to weld
John Robbins wrote:
> If I can find someone to build manifolds, I have a GT37 I want to put on
> my wagon. :)
I saw a detailed web page on building turbo exhaust manifolds out of iron
pipe and elbows. You can buy weldable pipe from places like McMaster Carr,
already beveled on the ends for arc w
Mitch Haley wrote:
> I've got a low mileage 2005 E320CDI turbo sitting around here somewhere.
> Dealer idiots replaced it under warranty, but it didn't fix the car.
> Mauri the Finn tells me it gets very inefficient above 250hp. (came
> out of a 217hp car). I figure 250hp just gets a 602 into the
Luther wrote:
>
> I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX
> engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost.
> I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603
I've got a low mileage 2005 E320CDI turbo sitting around here s
Tom Hargrave wrote:
> It's easy to make massive HP for a 1/4 mile. It's a little more difficult to
> make massive HP for an hour run.
That 400HP car is a daily driver. Typically, there aren't many places
in a daily commute that you can use 400HP ;)
Maintaining speed on the highway uses the same
14, 2008 9:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Luther wrote:
> I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins
> ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag,
> TONS of boost. I'd love to try and f
Luther wrote:
> I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins
> ISX engine started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag,
> TONS of boost. I'd love to try and fit one under the hood of an
> OM603
That 400HP OM603 uses a GT37 turbo off of the 6.0L Powerstroke. I
I happen to like the VNT/VGT technology. The big truck 2003 Cummins ISX engine
started to use them and they are SWEET. No turbo lag, TONS of boost. I'd love
to try and fit one under the hood of an OM603
Luther
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:29:50 -0600, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unless
Or,
take a test drive in a used E320 CDI. Faster than the gas model and a
whole bunch more fun.
John
On 3/13/08, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > R A Bennell wrote:
> >> I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here
> >> think that MB did a pretty good job to begin
> R A Bennell wrote:
>> I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here
>> think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that
>> modification beyond something minimal is heresy.
>>
>> Am I right?
>I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modificatio
Nope Tymbrini told me about this list just today. A heck of alot busier
than the "other" mailing list.
-Rolf
Mitch Haley wrote:
> Rolf wrote:
>
>> I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum.
>>
>
> So you're a new subscriber here, and not just recruiting for the
> other grou
What you need to do is hook your wagon up with some of these mods :
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3733464
God I needed a good laugh today *wipes away the tears*.
-Rolf
Zeitgeist wrote:
> It's been rumored that I've boasted that claim before. Until it runs in the
> sub-6.0sec range,
Can please I be removed from the moderator approval list? Also there is
no link to the list moderator on the signup form (which is where I would
have sent this email to).
-Rolf
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> No, there is not any specific rule against it, or that is necessarily a
> problem. Its just
Unless you are running a VNT/VGT turbo, then an auto is just lost power :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> HAve it your way.
>
> Ever notice that all high horsepower drag racing trucks diesel are auto
> tranny? It's the only way you can shift under power and keep the engine
> loaded and "on Boost".
hen it was inexpensive to run a diesel?
>
> Randy
>
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> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:11 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance
llon and a
kilometer is about .62 miles. I'll
let you do the math.
Randy
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Howdy
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>I think I was happier when most
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
I think I was happier when most people had not discovered diesel, and
bio-diesel and WVO etc. I'd like more diesel
but I don't want it to be too popular.
Remember when it was inexpensive to run a diesel?
Randy
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It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into
the "performance measured with
odometer" (and mpg-o
It's interesting what the Finns have done/can do, but personally, I fall into
the "performance measured with odometer" (and mpg-o-meter) camp.
Chris
P.S. Second thought, when a diesel can win the 24 hour LeMans, that only helps
the "diesel cause" in general...even if they needed two trannys to
I found a site that lists the '87 16v at 7.5 secs and the 560SEC as 7.0 secs
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Zeitgeist wrote:
> >
> > quick enough for a daily driver, and probably more so than just about
> > anything MB offered back in '87.
>
> I think my
Zeitgeist wrote:
>
> quick enough for a daily driver, and probably more so than just about
> anything MB offered back in '87.
I think my 190e is supposed to be a 7.0-7.5 second car.
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It's been rumored that I've boasted that claim before. Until it runs in the
sub-6.0sec range, I'd hesitate to call the TD a performance Mercedes. It's
quick enough for a daily driver, and probably more so than just about
anything MB offered back in '87.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:26 AM, John Robb
Loren Faeth wrote:
>
> I like performance! that is why I am still looking for a OM
> 621/615/616 with a factory turbo.
Sunil was recently in India. Should have asked him to stick a 616
in his carryon bag when he came back.
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I have nothing against modified cars, other than I find them a pain and more
money and trouble than they are often worth. I always say, spend the money
on driving school to learn to wring everything out of a car. Once you find
the car is too slow, it's often easier and cheaper to just buy a faste
I like performance! that is why I am still looking for a OM
621/615/616 with a factory turbo. Instead I had to settle for "only"
OM603s. Performance is always a tradeoff with longevity. I like
500k MB diesels. I am interested in the power quest, but i'm not
likely to do it to my car becaus
R A Bennell wrote:
> I cannot really recall much reference on this list to diesel modification for
> more power. Did I miss it, or are you
> just saying there are others out there who are more interested in that sort
> of thing?
Sorry! I was talking about the MB community at large. So far as I
HAve it your way.
Ever notice that all high horsepower drag racing trucks diesel are auto tranny?
It's the only way you can shift under power and keep the engine loaded and "on
Boost".
Pete, who's lusting after a dynomax/allision 4X4
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John Robbins
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:09 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
R A Bennell wrote:
> I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here
> think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that
> mod
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> (-Schumans since I got banned).
>
> What did you do to deserve that?
http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=214412
Basically, I and a bunch of others got banned for no real rea
"think 400HP OM603 daily driver" *drool*
My dream car is an early '90s 124 coupe, manual 5 speed, full AMG suspension
and body, and intercooled OM603. OILBOOST could be the tag name.
Luther
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:08:42 -0600, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> R A Bennell wrote:
>>
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (-Schumans since I got banned).
What did you do to deserve that?
Alex
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R A Bennell wrote:
> I think (but I could be wrong) that most of the diesel folks on here
> think that MB did a pretty good job to begin with and that
> modification beyond something minimal is heresy.
>
> Am I right?
There seem to be two major camps with not much middle ground. There are
a lot
Mitch Haley wrote:
> Rolf wrote:
>> I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum.
>
> So you're a new subscriber here, and not just recruiting for the
> other group?
Hint... look at his email address. ;) I'm Tymbrymi on those forums
(-Schumans since I got banned).
John
_
I can't get the page to load anyway, so not sure if it will be much
competition.
My TD routinely gets 0-60 in less than a minute, about as long as I
waited for the page to load.
--R
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> No, there is not any specific rule against it, or that is necessarily a
> problem.
Rolf wrote:
> I contribute plenty of key clicks to any good list/forum.
So you're a new subscriber here, and not just recruiting for the
other group?
Mitch.(known as Mitch H. at Mersuforum, Mercedesshop, BuyMBparts, Schuman...)
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No, there is not any specific rule against it, or that is necessarily a
problem. Its just the polite thing to do. In any case, no harm no
foul, welcome aboard.
Rolf wrote:
> Sorry, I looked on the signup page and elsewhere on okiebenz and really
> didn't see any rules and regulations stating o
Sorry, I looked on the signup page and elsewhere on okiebenz and really
didn't see any rules and regulations stating otherwise. I didn't realize
there was a non compete as there is with mshob, benzworld and elsewhere.
I am not trying to detract here only contribute. Those who know my know
I contrib
modification
beyond something minimal is heresy.
Am I right?
Randy
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Performance Diesel Mercedes
Kinda
Kinda like the Baptists visiting our Methodist congregation and asking if
they can take an offering?
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:31:02 -0600
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>
This is an example of what NOT to do. I am not saying I do not want
people posting about other forums on here, but to subscribe and the
first post right off the bat is to promote some other forum somewhat
hacks me off. The proper thing to do would be to first contact the list
admin (me) and a
I suppose this isn't the same Zeitgeist that had an 87 300TD with
propane boost? 500+ rwhp is not unheard of in an om60X. Hardly slow. I
love the smell of diesel in the morning.
Zeitgeist wrote:
> Diesels are slow and smelly--why bother?
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zeitgeist wrote:
> Diesels are slow and smelly--why bother?
What about your wagon? Last I heard you had a 7 second 0-60.
John
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Diesels are slow and smelly--why bother?
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about
> http://superturbodiesel.com/
>
> Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of
> discussi
Hello,
Sorry to spam a bit but I am trying go the the good word out about
http://superturbodiesel.com/
Its a community forum with no retail ambitions for the purpose of
discussing engine/drivetrain and suspension modifications for any diesel
Mercedes. Currently our members (all 12 of them) are a
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