Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
We went over this some years ago but as I recall the argument is that you're 
going to charge the car with something like 16oz of R290 which is something 
like a quart, while most gas cars carry that much or more gasoline under high 
pressure under the hood also.
AFAIK R134 is also flammable. Fortunately refrigerant is carried right up front 
in a fragile, non-ferris component so in most accidents it just leaks out and 
gets away...

-Curt

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So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid 
Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some of 
your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for a 
mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-))) DuraCool 
was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it sometimes 
since it also carried a warning something to the affect of "blowing yourself 
into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like some of the cars you 
guys have, but not from your will. 
Best Wishes and be safe, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
It's a lot less dangerous that that big tank I'd fuel sitting in the back of 
the car.

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> On Jun 30, 2016, at 7:28 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid 
> Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some 
> of your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for 
> a mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-))) 
> DuraCool was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it 
> sometimes since it also carried a warning something to the affect of "blowing 
> yourself into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like some of the 
> cars you guys have, but not from your will. 
> Best Wishes and be safe, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
Good point Roger, but I'll leave my estate plan alone for now...  :)

A leak of the hydrocarbons in the engine bay might be an issue if they
could be sucked into the engine causing a run-away condition, but that
would be hard to accomplish on my 124.193 (intake from inside the right
front fender, refrigerant lines are all on the left side of the engine
bay).  For an underhood fire or explosion, there would need to be a major
collision that not only ruptured the refrigerant lines but also provided a
source of ignition, and the proper ratio of hydrocarbon to air would be
needed, which is a little difficult but not impossible to achieve.  A leak
of hydrocarbons inside the passenger compartment would be more concerning,
but again there would need to be an ignition source and the proper ratio of
gas to air.  I've got about 18 ounces in the system now, I need to bleed
that off (carefully!) to get down to about 12 ounces.  Gasser cars drive
around with far more weight of gasoline which ignites in a much greater
range of conditions, typically with a gasoline tank behind the passengers,
lines running under the passengers, and fuel in the engine compartment
(they're surrounded!).  I think my risks are within my comfort range.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:28 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid
> Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some
> of your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now
> for a mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-)))
> DuraCool was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it
> sometimes since it also carried a warning something to the affect of
> "blowing yourself into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like
> some of the cars you guys have, but not from your will.
> Best Wishes and be safe,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
If it’s any consolation, these hydrocarbon refrigerants are in broad use in 
places like Australia where they are considered perfectly safe and legal.

What people can’t seem to get past is that the concentration of refrigerant to 
oxygen or air to allow combustion is a very narrow range, and would be 
difficult to maintain under any circumstances.  Also, driving around with a 
tank full of gasoline is far more dangerous that the 14 ounces of hydrocarbon 
refrigerant in the AC system (if you’re driving a gasoline powered car, of 
course.)

Our nanny state regulations are always going to force manufacturers to put the 
“gloom and doom” warnings on stuff like this.  Ever use a lighter to light some 
candles around the house?  They have similar warnings on them.  If you read 
them closely you would think you’re lining yourself up for a major explosion 
that will level your house.

I would content that if the risk of explosion was so great or the incidents 
common, the manufacturers wouldn’t be selling the stuff as they would be out of 
business due to the litigation.

Dan

 
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:28 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid 
> Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some 
> of your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for 
> a mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-))) 
> DuraCool was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it 
> sometimes since it also carried a warning something to the affect of "blowing 
> yourself into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like some of the 
> cars you guys have, but not from your will. 
> Best Wishes and be safe, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid 
Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some of 
your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for a 
mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-))) DuraCool 
was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it sometimes 
since it also carried a warning something to the affect of "blowing yourself 
into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like some of the cars you 
guys have, but not from your will. 
Best Wishes and be safe, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
A 30lb cylinder of R-290 (used to be called ES-22a, hint hint) is $180
delivered.  I'd go that route for a shop, but I'd really hesitate to use
that in a residence.

http://autorefrigerants.com/hydrocarbon-refrigerants-info/1975-r-290-for-usa-sold-as-es-22a-outside-the-u-s-a-only

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> you can buy R22 on ebay with free shipping for $500 for 30#
>
> there are also often partially full bottles for less per lb
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
>
>
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[MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-29 Thread Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
you can buy R22 on ebay with free shipping for $500 for 30#

there are also often partially full bottles for less per lb
thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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