It seems than at Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:33:40 -0600, Kaleb wrote:
MB never made a turbo diesel with a manual trans in cars.
I know... *sigh*
--Philip
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Here's a turbo van
http://hackedgadgets.com/2008/03/03/jet-turbine-van/
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Fmiser wrote:
It seems than at Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:33:40 -0600, Kaleb wrote:
MB never made a turbo diesel with a manual trans in cars.
I know... *sigh*
--Philip
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R A Bennell wrote:
OK, responding to about 3 replies here, but I am certain that I remember
reading somewhere that one ought not to
really abuse the old MB diesels. I know there is the Italian tuneup idea
where one works the car hard on an uphill
grade to burn off the excess carbon but I
I seem to recall Marshall being an adherent to the drive it like you
stole it school of thought.
I remember him telling me that the car was designed to be run flat out
all day. He routinely gave his a thrashing on his Pittsburgh to DC
runs. He'd clean out the family's other cars as well as his
MB never made a turbo diesel with a manual trans in cars.
Fmiser wrote:
I think the book says my 300D should make 77 HP. It will
certainly go faster. I just feel like I am abusing it when I
get over about 70 MPH. I have not driven one of the manual
240D cars but I am relatively happy with my
Some other makers diesels (e.g. Volkswagen) definitely did NOT like
being driven hard, fortunately Mercedes engineered theirs a little
better.
Allan
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Interesting, as I am absolutely sure that I read somewhere
know what out of the poor old
thing
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R A Bennell wrote:
OK, responding
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
MB never made a turbo diesel with a manual trans in cars.
Are you sure?
Let's ask Zedic. Are there any 220CDIs running around UK with stick shift?
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Not that I know of.
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Jeff Zedic wrote:
Hendrik,
Doesn't your 124 TE have telescoping steering? My 87 124.193 did.
ZEdic
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Feel along the side of the steering column for a switch. Move it
towards you to telescope the wheel to you, and away to move it away.
All NA spec 124's that I know of did that. If your car doesn't have
much in the way of power toys then you may not have this handy
feature.
It was good for me on
Jeff Zedic wrote:
All NA spec 124's that I know of did that. If your car doesn't have
much in the way of power toys then you may not have this handy
feature.
My 92 2.5T doesn't for some strange reason. It has the optional (for
that year I think) passenger airbag though.
Haven't driven my TD
Where lucky that the MB's shipped out here had an engine, let alone
fancy gizmos like that.
As an example all Oz delivered 123's had manual climate controls, don't
think it was even an option to have auto climate.
Anyway the seating position in the 124 is pretty good, I wouldn't mind
having
Hendrik,
It's very easy to retrofit the seats...just open your wallet very wide!
Zedic
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Well the problem is I have champagne tastes and only a beer budget.
Perhaps one day I'll find a wreck...
Mr Tightwad
Jeff Zedic wrote:
Hendrik,
It's very easy to retrofit the seats...just open your wallet very wide!
Zedic
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My '87 SDL does have it, but the '90 300D 2.5 doesn't . The SDL also
has memory seats, and the 300D doesn't - maybe it was a package thing.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeff Zedic wrote:
All NA spec 124's that I know of did that. If your car doesn't
One day when I have an hour or two to spare I'll explain to you the
concept of time zones, also in the southern hemisphere time runs
backward, so we get up before we go to sleep.
Hendrik
who managed to confuse himself
Jeff Zedic wrote:
BTW, why are you up at this hour?
I've always wondered
It seems than at Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:21:38 -0800 (PST), Curt
wrote:
Stupid corn lobby...
Let's not stop there. What about the soyo-biodiesel board...
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I don't know how it works in merica but over here in God's own land we
have a two tier system, it is compulsory to have third party bodily
injury insurance which comes with the car rego. Seems to be going up
every time I have to hand over an arm and a leg. The there is vehicle
insurance which
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Very true. We are approaching a oil crises and when it finally does
happen, we will all look back at today's prices
2008 18:55:08 -0800
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However this is an awful lot like hit
unsure. He's not mechanically enclined so I told him to pass
on an '80s MB but he's hard pressed to like the Jetta now.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:58:04 -0600
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02:37:12 -0600
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It seems than at Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:21:38 -0800 (PST), Curt
wrote:
Stupid
True - they do vary your rates by how many miles you average, so you/d
think they could also factor in what you drive.
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't they have greater losses with more severe injuries? The medical
liability part of the insurance?
Curt wrote:
Technically true and I might add quite selfish. Don's driving a larger vehicle
makes him more likely to KILL someone in the event of a crash. Ever think of it
that way?
Boy you are right you are in a mood. I did not think of it that way.
Honestly, the reason I bought the
I don't know how it works in merica but over here in God's own land we
have a two tier system, it is compulsory to have third party bodily
injury insurance which comes with the car rego.
So you have the same stupid system we do where you are punished
for owning more than one vehicle per
Peter wrote: Remember, big SUV's have the WORST injury/fatality record for
occupants of any vehicle on the road. They are, and always have been, the
least safe one to drive.
I don't have any evidence to dispute this, but I thought small SUV's were the
worst at rolling over and being unsafe.
Liability and medical are the same, reguardless of car, comprehensive
coverage is higher for more valuable vehicles, and for the normal
driver (few or no caused accidents, good record) the rate will be set
by the pool cost, not the vehicle. Sadly, the worst drivers are
subsidized by the
Ok Don wrote: Are you still wondering why you sold the '90 300D??? I'm sure
glad you did!!!
Absolutely! I wish I had it back. But, I would be tired of it by now and
would be looking for greener grass in another car.
Did you say you got 29 in town? Sheesh! I never got anywhere near that in
Jim wrote:
They're paying out (and thus charging) on LOSS, not injury/fatality. The MB's
cost more to replace. And for every careful car-caring driver of same there's
an invulnerable dickhead to balance him out.
Since you are talking about drivers of big SUVs, I hope you aren't referring to
The bigger they are, the higher they are, and they ALL roll over.
Minivans, too, can't tell you how many I've seen upside-down.
Worst part with the SUVs is no requirement for rollover protection
til the early '00s, I think, meaning that big Chevy Suburban will be
squashed flat to the
, March 05, 2008 10:18 AM
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Liability and medical are the same, reguardless of car, comprehensive
coverage is higher for more valuable vehicles, and for the normal
driver (few or no caused accidents, good record
Hargrave
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It cost very little because that one letter had several thousand similar
ones take the same plane ride.
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PM
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What?
My '83 240D had a max of something like 86mph at which I used to hold it on my
commutes until I figured out it took
mileage down something like 5mpg.
Your 300D should be capable of better, you've got like 20% more
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You wroteWe were paying through the nose for gas even in the 60's compared
to the USA. If my memory is
correct, I was paying about $0.57 per gallon
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Curt wrote:
Technically true and I might add quite selfish. Don's driving a larger
the clutch all the
way down. Sure I'm 6' but I do like my legroom.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:28:07 -0600
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What?
My '83 240D had a max of something like 86mph at which I used to hold
it on my
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
You wroteWe were paying through the nose for gas even in the 60's
compared
to the USA. If my memory is
correct, I was paying about $0.57 per gallon
Correct me if I;m wrong, but you were (are ?) paying more per gallon than
the US
Randy,
I don't know about Manitoba but in Ontario you'll see a sticker on the
pump that tells you the tax per litre. Last time I looked it was 25.4
cents per.
Zedic
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Randy,
I don't know about Manitoba but in Ontario you'll see a sticker on the
pump that tells you the tax per litre. Last time I looked it was 25.4
cents per.
Zedic
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What?
My '83 240D had a max of something like 86mph at which I used to hold
it on my
. In winter we have 3 on the go full time and in summer, usually 5.
Randy
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I
it very often.
Randy
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Yeah I know, I said 20% more hp... 240D is about
It is in california, but my insurance guy also has a fleet, so he's quite
understanding and willing to play games with rolling things around as needed.
The problem is the government, who doesn't follow its own procedures that it
documented and gives out at the DMV. Mailing the form doesn't always
.
Randy
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Yeah I know, I said 20% more hp... 240D is about 72hp, IIRC yours
PM
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I think the book says my 300D should make 77 HP. It will certainly go
faster. I just feel like I am abusing it when
I get over about 70 MPH. I have not driven one of the manual 240D cars but I
am relatively happy
Curt wrote: Which reminds me, have you ever been in a w201? Sure the backseat
is a waste of time but if I push the seat all the way back I can't push the
clutch all the way down. Sure I'm 6' but I do like my legroom.
I can fit in a 201, but not comfortably for very long. I have enough legroom,
At 05:07 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote:
OK, responding to about 3 replies here, but I am certain that I
remember reading somewhere that one ought not to
really abuse the old MB diesels. I know there is the Italian tuneup
idea where one works the car hard on an uphill
grade to burn off the excess
engines.
Anyone else remember this?
Randy
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Won't hurt them at all. I used
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I think the book says my 300D should make 77 HP. It will certainly go
faster. I just feel
I think the book says my 300D should make 77 HP. It will
certainly go faster. I just feel like I am abusing it when I
get over about 70 MPH. I have not driven one of the manual
240D cars but I am relatively happy with my AT. I drive it
mostly in the City and so the AT is nice. I also like my
: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
I don't think thats true, or at least I hope thats not true. With an AT
that'd make your car sloow.
The only saving grace on a 240D is slightly better fuel economy than a 300D.
If a n/a 300D wasn't a bit faster it'd be a total waste.
-Curt
Date
That's what I found, when I am at a comfortable distance from the
steering wheel my legs are cramped and when I am at a comfortable
position for my legs I am too far away from the steering wheel. Also
there is not much headroom unless you have the low seat option, which
mine has but even just
'
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The NA 240D 300D have different gear ratios different top end speeds.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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I think the book says my 300D should make 77 HP. It will
certainly go faster. I just feel like I am abusing it when I
get over about 70 MPH. I have not driven one of the manual
240D cars but I am relatively happy
Exactly the opposite, Marshall always said more cars were damaged by being
driven lightly...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:07:49 -0600
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it safely. It would be
oh so handy though for drives to places without readily available electricity.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:03:00 -0600
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Remember, big SUV's have the WORST injury/fatality record for
occupants of any vehicle on the road
On Mar 5, 2008, at 3:33 PM, R A Bennell wrote:
them want you to believe. For example, the older Toyota 4Runners
were never rated very well because their record
wasn't very good with accidents - lots of injuries. However, my
understanding is that they tended to be driven by
people much
Hendrik,
Doesn't your 124 TE have telescoping steering? My 87 124.193 did.
ZEdic
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I still wonder what Marshall was doing when he put a rod through the block. He
never answered when I asked him.
Gerry
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Allan,
That was the mantra of Marshall Booth... Drive it like you
stole it!
For some reason, some OM601s do that.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:44:44PM -0500, archer wrote:
I still wonder what Marshall was doing when he put a rod through the block.
He never answered when I asked him.
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What's that?
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I still wonder what Marshall was doing when he put a rod through the
block. He never answered when I asked him.
For some reason, some OM601s do that.
The 601 in the donor car in the woods has a big hole
in the side of #1.
So here I am wondering how it would run if you took out
its
For example, the older Toyota 4Runners were never rated very well...
Exactly! It's less the car than the type that is attracted
to the car. I had a buddy with an early 4Runner, and he dropped
it upside down on its roof in a river. On a rock it turns out,
so that only their hair got wet.
--
With the 1972 220D, wide open translated into 75 MPH on flat spots
down
hill and 40 MPH up some hills.
Automatic? My 1972 200D (stick) will go 85 with alacrity.
But it's definitely out of breath at that point. I've never
yet met the hill that can slow it down, however, provided
you can hit
I'd love to believe that, I really would but he's turning a major blind eye to,
well reality really...
We're gluttons and as long as oil lasts we'll belly up to that feel trough and
stuff ourselves silly. We've proven that again and again.
We will not seriously develop alternatives until we
Curt Raymond wrote:
We're gluttons and as long as oil lasts we'll belly up to that feel
trough and stuff ourselves silly. We've proven that again and again.
We will not seriously develop alternatives until we absolutely have
no other choice. Unless some magic substance arrives (dylithium
John Robbins wrote:
Basically, when something comes up that is cheaper than oil we'll be all
over it.
...and cost to market is usually a good indicator of fossil fuel used
to produce. If it costs $2 a gallon to make corn ethanol when oil is
$40 a barrel, and $5 a gallon to make it when oil is
sometimes i think of how stupid the love of material things and think about
renouncing all of my worldly possessions.
then i play with my toys
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd love to believe that, I really would but he's turning a major blind
eye
The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo,
nada. We are burning stored energy as fast as we can pump it, and
nothing else, anywhere, anyhow, contains the same amount of energy as
compactly and easily usable.
The vast majority of petroleum use is dragging 2 ton cars
John Robbins wrote:
Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to
conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving
less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles.
I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a
I find unless you're almost ready for a new car, it's not worth the bother
and expense to downsize to a smaller car when gas companies have these
periods of high prices. Then again, I'm not driving thousands and thousands
of miles a year, so it may pay for others.
Ed
300E
On 04/03/2008, Donald
Agreed, you can't just look at what 100 miles costs at various MPG, you
also have to think about what the CAR costs as well, if it is new and
you have a loan you have to think about the interest, higher insurance,
etc. If it is not new and you pay cash you still have to consider the
opportunity
Consumption has been dropping the last little while, inventories of
gasoline are very high right now, US is actually exporting gasoline.
Price/consumption elasticity at work, sort of -- price should be
dropping if supply is high, but the traders (all over the world, not
just the US ones in
PM
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The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo,
nada. We are burning stored energy as fast as we can pump it, and
nothing else, anywhere, anyhow, contains the same amount of energy as
compactly
- who is becoming a curmugeon (that is not how you spell it is it?)
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Agreed, you can't just look at what 100 miles costs at various MPG, you
also have to think about what the CAR costs as well, if it is new and
you
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John Robbins wrote:
Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will
try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a
gallon you can bet people would
a dollar
to fill it up.
Randy
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Were you shedding any tears for the oil companies
Randy wrote: Just tell yourself that the extra cost is life insurance. If you
get hit in the Expedition your chances may be better than if you are in the
Honda Civic. Randy - who just knows someone is going to argue about that
statement
Allan S. wrote Agreed, you can't just look at what 100
.
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The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo,
nada. We
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:19:32 -0500, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Whatever happened to our promised paperless enviornment?
Never happened. Technology has enabled the creation of more documents
with less effort than ever before.
Back in the days where you needed to dictate a memo to a secretary
As you already know, if you ease up a little on the highway, the savings can
be great in terms of fuel. HP and fuel required to push a big thing through
the air really start to go up once you get over 55 mph. Empty all the
unneeded stuff out of the trunk, and check the tire pressures ever week
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As you already know, if you ease up a little on the highway, the savings can
be great in terms of fuel. HP and fuel required to push a big thing through
the air really start to go up once you get over 55 mph. Empty all
It's true with diesels as well -- my 300D gets 31-32 in the mixed
driving I usually do, but rarely gets better than 29.5 when I'm on
the interstate rolling at 70 plus. I prefered the lower speed limit
-- took a bit longer to get there, but significantly cheaper, I once
hit 35 on a tank.
Paperless as in less paper. Idiots got to thinking that ment no paper.
Its like smokeless powder, less smoke...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:19:32 -0500
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: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:03:30 -0600
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I agree. My F150 Supercrew will do about 21 mpg (Imp
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I'm in Canada. We were paying through the nose for gas even in the 60's
compared to the USA. If my memory is
correct, I was paying about $0.57 per gallon for gas in about 1968
oil prices but
it has a lot to do with stabilizing oil prices. And to that effect, it
has been very sucessful.
Tom
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From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: 3/4/08 12:18 PM
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: [MBZ] RE OT: The World
:48 PM
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The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo,
nada. We are burning stored energy as fast as we can pump it, and
nothing else, anywhere, anyhow, contains the same amount of energy
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John Robbins wrote:
Basically, when something comes up that is cheaper than oil we'll be
all
over it.
...and cost to market is usually a good indicator
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From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I find unless you're almost ready for a new car, it's not worth the
bother
and expense to downsize to a smaller car when gas
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From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: 3/4/08 4:52 PM
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Consumption has been dropping the last little while, inventories of
gasoline are very high right now, US is actually exporting
It is until you print a report.
Thanks, Tom
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From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 3/4/08 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Whatever happened to our promised paperless enviornment
Snort! I can remember filling up my old Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 lead
sled gas hog for $4! Gasoline ran ninteen to 23 cents in the winter
and maybe 27 in the summer, don't ever remember it higher than that
until '73. Went way up then, 79 cents in the summer, like to killed
us since minimum
because we'd like 'em
to.
-Curt
Oh boy, I am in a mood tonight aren't I?
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:36:53 -0600
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