I never thought of that. That's a good reason not to have three layers of
shingles.
On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 1:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> First house I owned was built in the early 20th century. It must have had
> at least 4 layers of shingles; I don't think it
First house I owned was built in the early 20th century. It must have had at
least 4 layers of shingles; I don't think it had ever had a tear-off. The roof
deck was boards, not plywood, installed with about 1-inch gaps between them.
The house had been re-sided at one point with Aluminum siding.
> Was there a gap between the roof and the tin? I wonder if that would let it
> resonate and make it loud.
Wings were pole construction. 1x4 decking, at about 50% coverage. (Easily see
lots of metal from below.)
All wood sourced from on-farm, IIRC. Extremely 'live', acoustically.
-- Jim
> Do they not just put another layer of shingles on anymore?
I was told, from family lore, that you could put on a second layer, but not a
third.
When we finally did a full tear-off of the beach cabin roof, there were five
layers
in some spots.
-- Jim
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Has the cost of the materials gone up that much? A few years ago I paid $12k
for a very steep roof, architectural shingles, white so they are Energy Star,
with full water and ice damn sheild on entire roof, and extra strapping for
protection against hurricanes. Basically I paid for every
The roof on the SEA remodel (1999) got architectural, as it was deemed far more
robust and had a 25 year full warrantee which became pro-rated for the next
10-15 years. The normal three tab was pro-rated to 15 and expected to require
replacement by 20. Was my forever house, so I went big.
The GWN HOA has banned any roofing that is not three tab or cedar shake. What
it there is long past useful life, but trying to get a roofer now is on par
with finding a real new car. Have to schedule estimators for September, been
told there are five colors available, and the cedar is scarce
Both of these houses have architectural shingles.
On 8/5/2021 10:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
I think one reshingle is still allowed in most places by code, so the structure
should take the weight. That's for standard 3-tab shingles, probably not the
heavier architectural ones
I think one reshingle is still allowed in most places by code, so the structure
should take the weight. That's for standard 3-tab shingles, probably not the
heavier architectural ones though.
My dad reshingled our roof by himself one time. For the cost of the shingles
and his time, he got
O
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 9:13 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> No because a new asphalt roof over an old asphalt roof shortens the life of
> the new roof and thereby voids the manufacturers warranty as I understand it.
>
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>> On
I put metal shingles on my roof a while back, 16K. 30 year shingles were 9k,
I'm happy to have a very nice roof with a 50 year warrenty on it.
I had Metro shingles put one, special ordered white ones to cut down on the
heat in the summer. lowered the electric bill some, and it's dead quiet
No because a new asphalt roof over an old asphalt roof shortens the life of the
new roof and thereby voids the manufacturers warranty as I understand it.
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Speaking of roofing. Both of these outfits
No. You want a tear-off and to be able to inspect the decking in case it’s
damaged and needs replacement. Plus, roofing over an existing roof adds weight
to the structure, and newer trusses probably aren’t engineered to handle the
additional load.
-D
> On Aug 5, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Kaleb
Speaking of roofing. Both of these outfits were talking about ripping roof off
and replacing. Do they not just put another layer of shingles on anymore?
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 8:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
> The rental is about 2400sqft and this house is close about
The rental is about 2400sqft and this house is close about 2800sqft
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I agree, how big is the house? Ours was $6500. I forget when, 4 years ago?
> We have a small house though, with a fairly simple roof.
The Amish do that here, they just haul the tin up onto the roof and cut to
length.
Curt
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 7:03 PM, Mitch Haley via
Mercedes wrote: Some roofing contractors are like
gutter contractors, they've got coiled
steel on the truck and the
LOL, like a standing seam roof?
Kaleb, your guy doesn't know about metal roofs. He's got 40 year old
information.
Curt
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 5:59 PM, Allan Streib via
Mercedes wrote: You would think some smart engineering
type person could come up with a
Roofer from Flagstaff just called to let me know they’re going out tomorrow to
measure and inspect, so I asked them to quote me on a metal roof as well.
Office gal made the call, so she really didn’t have any insight as to the
differences in cost other than metal would be more expensive. I’ll
Was there a gap between the roof and the tin? I wonder if that would let it
resonate and make it loud.
Curt
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 5:09 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
A metal roof was put on our 'new' barn wings post-WWII. It was very heavy gauge
corrugated
I agree, how big is the house? Ours was $6500. I forget when, 4 years ago? We
have a small house though, with a fairly simple roof. The McMansions they put
up today with 6 different roof pitches are going to be expensive to put a roof
on.
Curt
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On Thu, Aug
36K is obscene in my opinion.
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 3:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> new
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Some roofing contractors are like gutter contractors, they've got coiled
steel on the truck and the machine that roll forms the finished product
right there in your yard.
Should be cheaper than having it factory made, cut into xxx" lengths,
and shipped to the jobsite.
Mitch.
On 2021-08-05
Agreed. $36k for that roof is a ripoff. You’ve seen my house and might recall
the gables and stuff, and it was barely $20k a couple of years ago with
architectural grade shingles.
-D
> On Aug 5, 2021, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Just some rough numbers this roof
Just some rough numbers this roof should cost about $12k and the rental maybe
$18k. That’s a far cry from $36k for this house from the first company.
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
> Well the 2nd guy just left and we have not talked numbers yet but
Exactly right. Which is the right type of roof. He says one panel locks over
the other covering the screws on that one side so they don’t leak. I would
imagine you then only have exposed screws on the end which would then be
covered by a trim price. Metal roofs are much more expensive than a
haha yeah that is the kind of roof you want, a standing-seam or snap
fit. The under edge is screwed down with brackets then the free edge of
the next panel snaps down over it. A standing seam is similar but a
machine crimps the seam tight. That stuff with the screws and rubber
washers is OK
You would think some smart engineering type person could come up with a design
where the panels interlock and each panel covers the screws on the prior panel.
Then you have some kind of special cap that clips on the end panel to cover its
screws.
Allan
On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Kaleb
This roofer does metal roofs, but says unless you spend a lot of money for the
right roof, they don’t last any longer than a regular roof. The bad part about
them is the rubber seals at each screw start leaking after about 10-15 years
and it’s almost impossible to find exactly where it’s
Well the 2nd guy just left and we have not talked numbers yet but he says the
rental for sure has hail damage, and this house may have some hail but it’s
mostly wind damage. The question will be how much they cover on the rental
house since it looks to me to be ACV coverage. This house should
The metals roofs I see around here are not the old corrugated type (except on a
few old barns). Those I thought were mostly galvanized steel.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, at 5:09 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> A metal roof was put on our 'new' barn wings post-WWII. It was very heavy
> gauge
>
A metal roof was put on our 'new' barn wings post-WWII. It was very heavy gauge
corrugated aluminum, probably made in the rolling mills that used to do bomber
skins.
Where it was not damaged mechanically by other storm debris, and where the nails
didn't pull out in the wind, etc., the roof is
That strikes me as very expensive. Of course I know nothing about the size or
complexity of the roof.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, at 3:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Just got the sales pitch on this roof. He says there is some hail and wind
> damage but it’s older, as in over a year old.
Just got the sales pitch on this roof. He says there is some hail and wind
damage but it’s older, as in over a year old. Basically full tear off redoing
the rotted wood on the edges at some places with impact resistant shingles
$36k. More basic deal is about $10k less. Not really sure if it’s
The first roofer just arrived and let me know the rental does not appear to
have any storm related damage that would involve insurance, just normal wear
and tear. He is up on this roof now but it does have some missing shingles etc.
Will see what they say about this one.
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It’s my understanding from talking to our roofer that it’s regular three tab
shingles, architectural are 2x-3x more, and metal is 5x more.
Of course, it could be the market or code that makes it (more) expensive than
in;other parts of the country, but considering material and engineering costs
Nope - metal roof is no more noisy than the old shingles in a hail storm,
at least ours isn't.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 11:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Metal roof: might regret that during a storm.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 11:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via
Not if its done right and you have decent insulation. Back in the old days
they used to strap the roof before putting the roofing on so there would be a
void between the roof and the insulation so it could ring. These days they put
the metal right over the existing roof so it doesn't ring at
The extra cost of metal roofing seems to vary wildly as to how many metal
roofs are being done there. In Maine it seems like everybody is doing a metal
roof and the price is not that much more. Considering the advantages I can see
why everybody is doing metal roofs. In the next 5-10 years I
Good point.
I think the roof we put on the last house (courtesy of the insurance company)
had a 30 warranty.
-D
> On Aug 5, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> About 10 years more warranty on architectural...
> -Curt
>
>On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 10:23:14 AM
Hail and fire are both concerns in the area. The inspection at the time of
purchase showed hail damage from the past.
-D
> On Aug 5, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> At least get a quote. Plus it is much more resistant to storms and fires if
> that is an issue
About 10 years more warranty on architectural...
-Curt
On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 10:23:14 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
wrote:
Speaking of roof types, what is the difference between architectural shingles
and 3 tab asphalt?
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 9:08 AM,
Metal roof: might regret that during a storm.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 11:42 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> So at Okie acres it has a more simple type roof. The rental house has the
> steep pitched more complex roof that I would imagine will be a lot more
>
So at Okie acres it has a more simple type roof. The rental house has the steep
pitched more complex roof that I would imagine will be a lot more expensive.
And really, these do not need to be replaced, just a new layer of shingles
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 10:08 AM, dan
At least get a quote. Plus it is much more resistant to storms and
fires if that is an issue there. And you can get a lot of colors!
-_FT
On 8/5/21 11:07 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
I’ve got to do a roof on the Flagstaff house in the near future. I have a local
roofing
I’ve got to do a roof on the Flagstaff house in the near future. I have a local
roofing contractor coming by to give me an estimate soon. I may talk to them
about a metal roof - they’re fairly common in the area. The house isn’t that
big and the roof isn’t pitched significantly, so the roof
You get a company to come measure your roof then they make the panels to
fit and ship it all to the house, the crew then puts it up. It does go
up fast so labor is less. I can't remember the total cost, it was more,
but it is a much better solution
--FT
On 8/5/21 10:47 AM, Kaleb Striplin
I would have thought that a metal roof would be the same or cheaper and it
would seem to me to be much less labor to install, but have heard they are a
lot more expensive.
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I put a metal roof on my
I put a metal roof on my whole house when I did the addition, 50yr roof
at least. Cost was not that much more and you don't have to think about
it ever again
--FT
On 8/5/21 10:01 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
Is this the only continent that uses asphalt garbage on roofs? I just
3-tab is your standard tract house roof.
Architectural are cut at different angles and overlaps to look a little more
visually interesting. And they cost more.
That is my understanding. I don't know if there's any real difference in
longevity. I think that you can get 20 or 30 year shingles in
Speaking of roof types, what is the difference between architectural shingles
and 3 tab asphalt?
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 9:08 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Quarry tile/spanish tile is pretty common in Florida.
>
> I see more metal roofs these days, and some
From my research, yes.
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> On 2021-08-05 09:42, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Typically 20 or so depending on the location and climate. It’s been my
>> experience that insurers will depreciate a roof
Mine is at 17, so I guess we shall see. I do know the policy states it’s paid
on ACV rather than replacement value. The primary house is only about 8-9 year
old roof and does not state the ACV deal in the policy.
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 8:43 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
>
A fried of mine got a new roof, fully covered by insurance, due to hail damage.
His roof was by no means new at the time, but I don't know how exactly old it
was. I was pretty surprised because I thought they all paid the depreciated
value on a roof claim, just like they do when they total a
Not necessarily. If your roof is damaged by the elements, such as from hail or
hurricane, they’ll pay to replace/repair it. I had a 20 year old roof that was
clearly damaged by a hurricane and my insurer replaced the whole thing, almost
$20k worth.
A lot of insurers in Florida won’t underwrite
Quarry tile/spanish tile is pretty common in Florida.
I see more metal roofs these days, and some cedar shingles (pretty rare) but
it's still mostly asphalt in the midwest USA.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> Is this the only continent that uses
Is this the only continent that uses asphalt garbage on roofs? I just don’t
understand why a roof would be intentionally made to be temporary with all
other options totally unaffordable.
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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> On 2021-08-05
On 2021-08-05 09:42, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Typically 20 or so depending on the location and climate. It’s been my
experience that insurers will depreciate a roof over 20 years.
So if your perfectly good 22 year old shingles get damaged by hail, do
they just say 'it was time
Typically 20 or so depending on the location and climate. It’s been my
experience that insurers will depreciate a roof over 20 years.
-D
> On Aug 4, 2021, at 10:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
> Asphalt shingles? Depending what grade of shingle was used, they are good
> for 20-30
Asphalt shingles? Depending what grade of shingle was used, they are good for
20-30 years. So I'd guess a 2004 roof would be getting close to fully
depreciated.
Allan
On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, at 9:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Actually I think I am going to be screwed on the rental
Actually I think I am going to be screwed on the rental house. I have
it insured as a rental property rather than homeowners. I got to reading
the policy and it looks like it covers ACV, so replacement cost less
depreciation. Roof is original to the house, so 2004. Not sure how
much it will
I have finally gotten around to having a couple of different roofing
companies come out to look at both houses to give a quote and figure out
how to proceed with possible insurance claims with USAA. To recap,
after 20 years with them and exactly no claims on houses, they have
literally
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