Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I didn't have any real issue talking on a phone before hands free became 
common. The bigger problem is texting. That pretty much requires that 
one focus on the device rather than the road.


It is getting expensive around here if one is caught using the phone 
without hands free. The fine is now $672 and I think 2 demerit points.


RB

On 27/11/2018 9:38 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I’m for it if it’s not hands-free. That’s not ideal, but I’m a realist and 
recognize that few, if any, people will refrain from using the phone while 
driving.

-D


On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on the
phone?






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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/11/2018 11:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:01:44 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


On 26/11/2018 3:53 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!

--FT


Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
2-wheel drive vehicle ...


Craig

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But, it really should not happen often if the driver has any sense at all.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

When I see people doing this while driving, my first thought is always, “I’ll 
be sure to have their phone records subpoenaed when I present the case to the 
court.”

-D

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hands free phone use is ok.  
> 
> Phone in hand?  If coupled with distracted driving (wrong speed, can't stay 
> in lane, failure to yield) or a collision, I'm in favor of increased legal 
> penalties, increased exposure to civil prosecution.  Also should be tied to 
> increased insurance costs for a period not to exceed six months for first 
> offence, twelve for second offense, etc.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On November 27, 2018 10:14:16 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on
>> the
>> phone?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Most winches go the wrong way, I don't want to get pulled into the hole worse 
than I am now, I want to get out. Even if I pull through the hole I'll have to 
turn around and go back...
A lot of where we travel theres nothing to winch to, the trees are too small or 
too far from the road. A couple weeks ago when Eric got stuck in the snow he 
was out in a field...
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 11:38:20 AM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 26/11/2018 11:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
> 2-wheel drive vehicle ...
>
>
> Craig
>
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I used to work with a fellow who was an avid outdoorsman. He had a 4 WD 
Suburban with big tires and a winch on the front. He always said if he 
had to choose, he would keep the winch and give up the 4 WD.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Hands free phone use is ok.  

Phone in hand?  If coupled with distracted driving (wrong speed, can't stay in 
lane, failure to yield) or a collision, I'm in favor of increased legal 
penalties, increased exposure to civil prosecution.  Also should be tied to 
increased insurance costs for a period not to exceed six months for first 
offence, twelve for second offense, etc.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 27, 2018 10:14:16 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on
>the
>phone?
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 12:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I stopped to help and of course it was all my fault that she had driven off 
> the road, she claimed it was "so slippery she couldn't stay on the road at 
> all" and somehow my big truck being behind her had made it worse.

See?
There's no reason to learn how to drive when none of your crashes are even your 
fault. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 "You DON'T want to "float" on snow while driving."
Onroad anyway. Offroad in really deep snow flotation is your friend. If we'd 
stayed at camp through the second snow storm a couple weeks ago I'd have aired 
down to float on the snow better.
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 7:13:54 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Exactly!

I used to regularly drive a chunk of I-35 that was relatively straight 
for quite a few miles, then a gentle curve of 35-40 degrees or so, 
before it went the other way in a big s.

The first snow was quite amusing if you went through about 8 am.  There 
would be maybe 10-30 (2 WD) cars in the ditches before "SUVs" became 
popular.

When the majority of vehicles were high center of gravity 4WD "SUVs" a 
few years later, 25=50% of the vehicles were on the side or rolled 
over;  and with even a slight snow, there would be 50-100 in the 
ditches, sometimes so many that anyone sliding off was likely to hit one 
or more in the ditch.  Most of these people drove the same road to work 
every day, but never learned.

4wd has no more contact patches (between the tar and the road) than 
2wd.  In face, the 4wd usually has bigger/wider tires with not much 
change in vehicle weight, resulting in less lb/sq in pressure on those 4 
small contact patches.  Even though there is more surface area, the 
lighter pressure makes it easier to slide.  Think about it.  does an 
ice skater use snowshoes or a blade to make the contact with the ice 
surface?  could they gain more control with more contact area?

In fact the reverse is true: the slicker it gets, the smaller and 
narrower the tire should be.  This principle goes for ice and snow 
both.  You DON'T want to "float" on snow while driving.

The loose nut behind the wheel thinks "I have 4WD, I don't have to slow 
down on the snow/ice?  When they slide into the ditch at high speed, 
the high center of gravity of their "invincible SUV" results in 
rollovers where my SDL, had I been as stupid, would have stayed upright.

If you went though about 7:30 am, it was downright scary with idiots 
sliding off all around you and going in the ditch.  They'd go flying by 
, then loose it and slide left or right, bashing anything in the way
> fmiser via Mercedes 
> November 27, 2018 at 1:40 AM
>>> Floyd wrote:
>>>
>>> butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!
>
>> Randy wrote:
>>
>> Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.
>
> I don't think Floyd is saying 4WD is bad - just that the it seems
> a lot of people seem to think. "The car has 4WD, so I don't have
> to slow down, or drive more carefully just because there is snow.
> The 4WD will means I can go anywhere at any speed!"
>
> I find it interesting that during a recent snow here I had to
> drive in it - and I saw about 6 vehicles in the ditch - 5 were
> four-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive.  Since I _know_ the
> mechanicals improve the performance is those conditions, it sure
> suggests its the loose nut behind the wheel that is the source of
> the problem.
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 That reminds me, a few winters ago I was driving in a snowstorm. It wasn't 
that bad out, the roads were salted well, I was driving the pickup but in 2wd.
In front of me at a stoplight was a Honda SUV, as we pulled away from the light 
she accelerated hard and then when the road turned slightly to the right she 
veered right off the right side of the road. At first I thought she'd slid but 
on later reflection I realized she must have been looking at her phone or 
something as she didn't slow down or try to steer out of it.
I stopped to help and of course it was all my fault that she had driven off the 
road, she claimed it was "so slippery she couldn't stay on the road at all" and 
somehow my big truck being behind her had made it worse.
She'd gotten it so far into the ditch she couldn't drive it out and I couldn't 
see anywhere on it to hook on a strap. She "called her husband" and he was "on 
his way" so I took off and left her there...
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 2:40:56 AM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > > Floyd wrote:
> > 
> > butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!

> Randy wrote:
> 
> Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

I don't think Floyd is saying 4WD is bad - just that the it seems
a lot of people seem to think. "The car has 4WD, so I don't have
to slow down, or drive more carefully just because there is snow.
The 4WD will means I can go anywhere at any speed!"

I find it interesting that during a recent snow here I had to
drive in it - and I saw about 6 vehicles in the ditch - 5 were
four-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive.  Since I _know_ the
mechanicals improve the performance is those conditions, it sure
suggests its the loose nut behind the wheel that is the source of
the problem.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Unless you're stuck on a treeless Manitoba plain in the middle of
nowhere..

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:38 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 26/11/2018 11:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
> > 2-wheel drive vehicle ...
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > ___
>
> I used to work with a fellow who was an avid outdoorsman. He had a 4 WD
> Suburban with big tires and a winch on the front. He always said if he
> had to choose, he would keep the winch and give up the 4 WD.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/11/2018 11:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
2-wheel drive vehicle ...


Craig

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I used to work with a fellow who was an avid outdoorsman. He had a 4 WD 
Suburban with big tires and a winch on the front. He always said if he 
had to choose, he would keep the winch and give up the 4 WD.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m for it if it’s not hands-free. That’s not ideal, but I’m a realist and 
recognize that few, if any, people will refrain from using the phone while 
driving.

-D

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on the
> phone?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:33 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I agree!   I know how to drive in snow.  BUT, I will say that the traction
>> control/dynamic stability did improve things in my car.  AND it’s a 20 year
>> old car.  But, I agree with you people get way too dependent on the tech.
>> We all have seen 4wd trucks that think they are invincible end up in the
>> ditch because they ran into some ice.
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rick Knoble [mailto:rickkno...@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:29 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SNOW!
>> 
>> Barrister Snook opines:
>> 
>>> It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.
>> 
>> The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you.
>> Folks in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the
>> limits of traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to
>> control the car.
>> 
>> Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what do y'all think of laws that penalize driving while chatting on the
phone?


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:33 AM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I agree!   I know how to drive in snow.  BUT, I will say that the traction
> control/dynamic stability did improve things in my car.  AND it’s a 20 year
> old car.  But, I agree with you people get way too dependent on the tech.
>  We all have seen 4wd trucks that think they are invincible end up in the
> ditch because they ran into some ice.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Knoble [mailto:rickkno...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:29 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SNOW!
>
> Barrister Snook opines:
>
> >It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.
>
> The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you.
> Folks in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the
> limits of traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to
> control the car.
>
> Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive.
>
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I agree!   I know how to drive in snow.  BUT, I will say that the traction 
control/dynamic stability did improve things in my car.  AND it’s a 20 year old 
car.  But, I agree with you people get way too dependent on the tech.   We all 
have seen 4wd trucks that think they are invincible end up in the ditch because 
they ran into some ice. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Knoble [mailto:rickkno...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

Barrister Snook opines:

>It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.

The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you. Folks 
in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the limits of 
traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to control the car. 

Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Take Briley Parkway near the airport to bypass most of Nashville if you 
are going up I-24


--FT


On 11/27/18 7:56 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

I drove back from Columbia, SC on Saturday through Atlanta because there was 
freezing rain predicted in Cherokee -- that stretch of I 40 is quite bad enough 
in dry, sunny weather when the traffic is heavy, no need to risk trouble.

Some rain, but otherwise a nice drive.  If I make the trip again, I will go 
that way, I can take US 231 for  40 or 50 miles of two lane to skip the traffic 
in Nashville, TN.

Only a few idiots on the trip, one of whom wiped out three or four cars zig 
zagging around like Ricky Racer in bumper to bumper traffic.
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I wonder what would have happened if you called the motor carrier division of 
the state highway patrol. 
Mitch. 


> On November 27, 2018 at 8:09 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>  he would go on the shoulder, to the left lane, back to the 
> shoulder, repeat, repeat.   I called the company and reported him to the 
> dispatch, who said "Oh,, that's Bob, he's one of our best drivers. He's 
> OK.  Then I called back and got the safety office.  Their attitude was 
> similar.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They've lowered the CG a couple inches in most of them.

The drivers are WORSE now.   Sitting behind the wheel is time to shave, 
apply makeup paste, text, read books or newspapers, kindles etc etc. it 
is not considered important to drive.  Let the nanny do that.   I don't 
have to slow down in snow, "My SUV is invincible."


I look at what other drivers are doing on the interstate.  It gets more 
scary each trip.  Probably 50% now are not driving. YMMV, and I'd guess 
in the big cities it is worse.


One of the worst distracted drivers I have seen was a "Professional" who 
just got  on the interstate from his company yard, a major flatbed 
hauler.   THis guy was all over 2 lanes and the shoulder in a congested 
area.  I guessed he was chasing a puppy all over the cab in place of 
driving.  he would go on the shoulder, to the left lane, back to the 
shoulder, repeat, repeat.   I called the company and reported him to the 
dispatch, who said "Oh,, that's Bob, he's one of our best drivers. He's 
OK.  Then I called back and got the safety office.  Their attitude was 
similar.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 27, 2018 at 6:54 AM
Yep, that's why in the 1980s and 1990s I called them Suddenly 
Upsidedown Vehicles.
I don't know if the drivers are finally better now, or if the 
unibody/crossover models are harder to flip. Probably the latter after 
all the hoopla over the capsized Explorers with exploded rear tires 
and Consumer Reports started testing for roll resistance.


Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I drove back from Columbia, SC on Saturday through Atlanta because there was 
freezing rain predicted in Cherokee -- that stretch of I 40 is quite bad enough 
in dry, sunny weather when the traffic is heavy, no need to risk trouble.

Some rain, but otherwise a nice drive.  If I make the trip again, I will go 
that way, I can take US 231 for  40 or 50 miles of two lane to skip the traffic 
in Nashville, TN.

Only a few idiots on the trip, one of whom wiped out three or four cars zig 
zagging around like Ricky Racer in bumper to bumper traffic.
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Yep, that's why in the 1980s and 1990s I called them Suddenly Upsidedown 
Vehicles. 
I don't know if the drivers are finally better now, or if the unibody/crossover 
models are harder to flip. Probably the latter after all the hoopla over the 
capsized Explorers with exploded rear tires and Consumer Reports started 
testing for roll resistance. 

Mitch. 

> On November 27, 2018 at 7:13 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The first snow was quite amusing if you went through about 8 am.  There 
> would be maybe 10-30 (2 WD) cars in the ditches before "SUVs" became 
> popular.
> 
> When the majority of vehicles were high center of gravity 4WD "SUVs" a 
> few years later, 25=50% of the vehicles were on the side or rolled 
> over;  and with even a slight snow, there would be 50-100 in the 
> ditches, sometimes so many that anyone sliding off was likely to hit one 
> or more in the ditch.   Most of these people drove the same road to work 
> every day, but never learned.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Exactly!

I used to regularly drive a chunk of I-35 that was relatively straight 
for quite a few miles, then a gentle curve of 35-40 degrees or so, 
before it went the other way in a big s.


The first snow was quite amusing if you went through about 8 am.  There 
would be maybe 10-30 (2 WD) cars in the ditches before "SUVs" became 
popular.


When the majority of vehicles were high center of gravity 4WD "SUVs" a 
few years later, 25=50% of the vehicles were on the side or rolled 
over;  and with even a slight snow, there would be 50-100 in the 
ditches, sometimes so many that anyone sliding off was likely to hit one 
or more in the ditch.   Most of these people drove the same road to work 
every day, but never learned.


4wd has no more contact patches (between the tar and the road) than 
2wd.  In face, the 4wd usually has bigger/wider tires with not much 
change in vehicle weight, resulting in less lb/sq in pressure on those 4 
small contact patches.  Even though there is more surface area, the 
lighter pressure makes it easier to slide.   Think about it.  does an 
ice skater use snowshoes or a blade to make the contact with the ice 
surface?   could they gain more control with more contact area?


In fact the reverse is true: the slicker it gets, the smaller and 
narrower the tire should be.  This principle goes for ice and snow 
both.  You DON'T want to "float" on snow while driving.


The loose nut behind the wheel thinks "I have 4WD, I don't have to slow 
down on the snow/ice?   When they slide into the ditch at high speed, 
the high center of gravity of their "invincible SUV" results in 
rollovers where my SDL, had I been as stupid, would have stayed upright.


If you went though about 7:30 am, it was downright scary with idiots 
sliding off all around you and going in the ditch.   They'd go flying by 
, then loose it and slide left or right, bashing anything in the way

fmiser via Mercedes 
November 27, 2018 at 1:40 AM

Floyd wrote:

butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!



Randy wrote:

Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.


I don't think Floyd is saying 4WD is bad - just that the it seems
a lot of people seem to think. "The car has 4WD, so I don't have
to slow down, or drive more carefully just because there is snow.
The 4WD will means I can go anywhere at any speed!"

I find it interesting that during a recent snow here I had to
drive in it - and I saw about 6 vehicles in the ditch - 5 were
four-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive.  Since I _know_ the
mechanicals improve the performance is those conditions, it sure
suggests its the loose nut behind the wheel that is the source of
the problem.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Floyd wrote:
> > 
> > butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!

> Randy wrote:
> 
> Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

I don't think Floyd is saying 4WD is bad - just that the it seems
a lot of people seem to think. "The car has 4WD, so I don't have
to slow down, or drive more carefully just because there is snow.
The 4WD will means I can go anywhere at any speed!"

I find it interesting that during a recent snow here I had to
drive in it - and I saw about 6 vehicles in the ditch - 5 were
four-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive.  Since I _know_ the
mechanicals improve the performance is those conditions, it sure
suggests its the loose nut behind the wheel that is the source of
the problem.

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:01:44 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On 26/11/2018 3:53 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!
> >
> > --FT
> >
> 
> Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

When you finally get stuck, you are stuck twice as bad as someone with a
2-wheel drive vehicle ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It is because you had daylight savings all summer and thus cut short the
necessary heating of the earth crust.
Now, the crust is cold and you have a coming ice age... better living
through nanny government at it's best..

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:55 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So, I take it you are ready to renounce albore and his false theories
> bases on computer models proven false.
>
> Nice you finally admitted it!
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > November 26, 2018 at 2:00 PM
> > We had the coldest Thanksgiving on record, and then on Saturday another
> 2"
> > of rain which brings the D.C. yearly total to 60", or 20" above normal.
> > Another 1/3" and we will have shattered the all time record for
> > precipitation. All this rain is NOT good for the Chesapeake Bay
> > oysters... They are also forecasting a snowy winter here, and if current
> > patterns prevail I believe it.
> >
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So, I take it you are ready to renounce albore and his false theories 
bases on computer models proven false.


Nice you finally admitted it!

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
November 26, 2018 at 2:00 PM
We had the coldest Thanksgiving on record, and then on Saturday another 2"
of rain which brings the D.C. yearly total to 60", or 20" above normal.
Another 1/3" and we will have shattered the all time record for
precipitation. All this rain is NOT good for the Chesapeake Bay
oysters... They are also forecasting a snowy winter here, and if current
patterns prevail I believe it.



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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 7:26 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>   Biggest danger were the okies and tejanos on the road in Anchorage.
>

We used to get our fair share ( or more, depending on your point of view)
of snow and ice here in OK, but it's been years now since we had enough to
get excited about. I learned to drive from my father, who grew up in MN.
Snow and ice was part of the curriculum. I taught our kids to drive in OK,
but always took the snow/ice opportunities to teach them. Our youngest had
my driving course, then wen to grad school at MI Tech where there are
steeped hills than we have around here (Houghton, MI) along with LOTS of
snow. He took the opportunity to take a snow/ice driving course through the
school where he mostly got more experience sliding in a controlled
environment, and learned the value of proper snow tires.
-- 
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Youngest son learned to drive in the great white north.  Gets his papers at 14, 
but needs two winters under his belt before he gets a license.  Not sure he can 
drive any better than the rest, but at least he could understand winter driving 
in snow and ice.  Biggest danger were the okies and tejanos on the road in 
Anchorage.

clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Barrister Snook opines:
> 
>> It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.
> 
> The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you. 
> Folks in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the 
> limits of traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to 
> control the car. 
> 
> Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I would think the oysters would love having the pollution flushed from the bay. 
 At least it dilutes it so they are siphoning less poison.

clay monroe
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> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We had the coldest Thanksgiving on record, and then on Saturday another 2"
> of rain which brings the D.C. yearly total to 60", or 20" above normal.
> Another 1/3" and we will have shattered the all time record for
> precipitation.  All this rain is NOT good for the Chesapeake Bay
> oysters...  They are also forecasting a snowy winter here, and if current
> patterns prevail I believe it.


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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

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On 26/11/2018 5:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Unless you have limited slip, you have two wheel drive at best. The electronics 
now a days can control the brakes and send power to the wheel that is not 
turning though.



Rick




My truck has the electric locker in the rear differential. My previous 
one had the clutch pack in the differential that would engage when 
needed. I have rarely needed the locking differential. I try not to get 
myself into situations where it  would be needed.


Anti lock brakes and traction control help too in winter, but when it is 
really slippery, nothing works better than just slowing down.


RB

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Unless you have limited slip, you have two wheel drive at best. The electronics 
now a days can control the brakes and send power to the wheel that is not 
turning though. 



Rick



  Original Message  



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] SNOW!


On 26/11/2018 3:53 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 > butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!
 >
 > --FT
 >

 Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

 RB in the GWN

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yeahbut, everybody has 4 wheel stop...
-CurtDon't drive faster than you can stop or turn...

On Monday, November 26, 2018, 5:02:42 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 26/11/2018 3:53 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!
>
> --FT
>

Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

RB in the GWN

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

At camp a couple weeks ago they forecast 6" of snow, we got a solid 8", made 
the camp road "interesting", this is outbound, about halfway to the main road.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4886/32089597238_2fab11df2e_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4808/32089597268_65332422cd_b.jpg

This is most of the way out, if you look careful the road goes down another 150 
yards or so and turns right. The picture is from the top of a small hill. About 
halfway to the turn Eric stuck his Chebby pickup. We usually tease him for 
driving too fast in the woods, well this time he was driving too slow. The snow 
had drifted about 18" and as he wasn't carrying any speed he couldn't make it. 
I yanked him out with the Dodge. I've got more aggressive tires (General 
Grabber AT II) and a little more clearance. It was hard getting him out though.

This is the first time in the 30 years I've been going to camp we had this much 
snow, it was cold too, the night after the snow it got down to 4F.
We actually plowed out the dooryard: 
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4826/46014952672_c3f6e55b68_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4900/31126051907_8ff6aa9e36_b.jpg

That old 7hp Cub Cadet did the job but just barely, if the snow had been wet or 
there had been any more it wouldn't have made it. I need to rig a weight box 
for it...

They were predicting another 5 inches of snow on Thursday night so Thursday 
morning we skedaddled. It just started snowing as I got home...

-Curt





On Monday, November 26, 2018, 4:54:44 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!

--FT


On 11/26/18 11:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> In my old age I've grown far more conservative, and strongly insist that my
> family stay off the road unless it is a dire emergency when we get snow
> down here in the Low Country.  Way too many people who don't have a clue
> and never had a clue about how to drive in the snow, many many accidents as
> these clueless drivers approach intersections too fast and just slide right
> through, regardless of red lights or stop signs or traffic.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice.
>>
>> I love that when the first storm of the season comes and suddenly no one
>> recalls what it’s like to drive in those conditions
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/11/2018 3:53 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!

--FT



Don't knock it. 4 wheel drive is a wonderful thing in winter.

RB in the GWN

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

butbutbut they have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!

--FT


On 11/26/18 11:11 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

In my old age I've grown far more conservative, and strongly insist that my
family stay off the road unless it is a dire emergency when we get snow
down here in the Low Country.  Way too many people who don't have a clue
and never had a clue about how to drive in the snow, many many accidents as
these clueless drivers approach intersections too fast and just slide right
through, regardless of red lights or stop signs or traffic.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:


Nice.

I love that when the first storm of the season comes and suddenly no one
recalls what it’s like to drive in those conditions




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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 26, 2018 at 4:40 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I saw a dash-cam video that showed that situation and a bobtail truck
> passing both trucks on the right on the shoulder, moving back into the
> right lane and slowing down, forcing the truck in the right lane to slow
> down and allowing the one in the left lane to pass ...

I saw one where the shoulder passer was no bobtail. 

Note the morons in the Prius and the BMW trying to pass in the right lane in 
the middle of it all. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr0420jwbPc

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:44:24 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> All too true. Speed limits are ignored, resulting in cars with a wide
> range of speeds trying to cross the country on the same road at the
> same time. The drivers who are exceeding the limit are also the ones
> who cannot handle the car at those speeds. Then you have heavy trucks
> trying to pass each other with a speed delta of 1mph - - -

I saw a dash-cam video that showed that situation and a bobtail truck
passing both trucks on the right on the shoulder, moving back into the
right lane and slowing down, forcing the truck in the right lane to slow
down and allowing the one in the left lane to pass ...


Craig

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[OK Don via Mercedes]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:40 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I often wonder why the sides of the road are not littered with wrecked
> cars and bodies.
>

That's because of the efficient clean-up crews:
"For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

(NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle
 crashes
, an average of 102 per
day.

"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year
-- 
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

All too true. Speed limits are ignored, resulting in cars with a wide range
of speeds trying to cross the country on the same road at the same time.
The drivers who are exceeding the limit are also the ones who cannot handle
the car at those speeds. Then you have heavy trucks trying to pass each
other with a speed delta of 1mph - - -

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:40 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 26/11/2018 2:28 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > Barrister Snook opines:
> >
> >> It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.
> > The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for
> you. Folks in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where
> the limits of traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to
> control the car.
> >
> > Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive.
> >
> > Rick
> > ___
>
> I think it is worse than that. People learn enough to pass the driver
> test but then they just get lazy and sloppy. They have no idea where
> their right side tires are so they want to run down the middle of any
> narrow lane-way. They can't be bothered to make a reasonably right
> angled turn. They want to do a sweeping turn such that they almost hit
> the vehicle waiting to turn our of  a lot onto the roadway etc. When
> they turn into a parking lot off of a street, they go right in the
> middle even when the entry is wide enough for at least 2 vehicles and
> they know it is an exit as well as an entry.  They don't obey street
> signs - ("rules are for losers"?). There are a number of streets in my
> area where the right lane permits one to go straight across and the left
> lane requires one to turn left. I very often encounter someone intent
> upon going straight across in the left turning lane who is upset that I
> am also trying to turn left from the opposite direction. Stop signs in
> my suburb apparently no longer mean one is supposed to stop.
>
> I often wonder why the sides of the road are not littered with wrecked
> cars and bodies.
>
> RB
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/11/2018 2:28 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Barrister Snook opines:


It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.

The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you. Folks 
in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the limits of 
traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to control the car.

Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive.

Rick
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I think it is worse than that. People learn enough to pass the driver 
test but then they just get lazy and sloppy. They have no idea where 
their right side tires are so they want to run down the middle of any 
narrow lane-way. They can't be bothered to make a reasonably right 
angled turn. They want to do a sweeping turn such that they almost hit 
the vehicle waiting to turn our of  a lot onto the roadway etc. When 
they turn into a parking lot off of a street, they go right in the 
middle even when the entry is wide enough for at least 2 vehicles and 
they know it is an exit as well as an entry.  They don't obey street 
signs - ("rules are for losers"?). There are a number of streets in my 
area where the right lane permits one to go straight across and the left 
lane requires one to turn left. I very often encounter someone intent 
upon going straight across in the left turning lane who is upset that I 
am also trying to turn left from the opposite direction. Stop signs in 
my suburb apparently no longer mean one is supposed to stop.


I often wonder why the sides of the road are not littered with wrecked 
cars and bodies.


RB

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[OK Don via Mercedes]

No, it's not the nannies - they couldn't drive before the electronics in
cars, and never learned then either.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:29 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Barrister Snook opines:
>
> >It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.
>
> The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you.
> Folks in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the
> limits of traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to
> control the car.
>
> Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive.
>
> Rick
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That is exactly right 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Barrister Snook opines:
> 
>> It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.
> 
> The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you. 
> Folks in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the 
> limits of traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to 
> control the car. 
> 
> Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Barrister Snook opines:

>It is amazing the morons that still don't know >how to drive.

The big issue is all the electronic nannies that do the thinking for you. Folks 
in newer cars with traction control and such don't know where the limits of 
traction are. So they exceed the abilities of the nannies to control the car. 

Meaning, they_NEVER_learn_how_to_drive. 

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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We had the coldest Thanksgiving on record, and then on Saturday another 2"
of rain which brings the D.C. yearly total to 60", or 20" above normal.
Another 1/3" and we will have shattered the all time record for
precipitation.  All this rain is NOT good for the Chesapeake Bay
oysters...  They are also forecasting a snowy winter here, and if current
patterns prevail I believe it.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:12 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In my old age I've grown far more conservative, and strongly insist that my
> family stay off the road unless it is a dire emergency when we get snow
> down here in the Low Country.  Way too many people who don't have a clue
> and never had a clue about how to drive in the snow, many many accidents as
> these clueless drivers approach intersections too fast and just slide right
> through, regardless of red lights or stop signs or traffic.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Nice.
> >
> > I love that when the first storm of the season comes and suddenly no one
> > recalls what it’s like to drive in those conditions
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

In my old age I've grown far more conservative, and strongly insist that my
family stay off the road unless it is a dire emergency when we get snow
down here in the Low Country.  Way too many people who don't have a clue
and never had a clue about how to drive in the snow, many many accidents as
these clueless drivers approach intersections too fast and just slide right
through, regardless of red lights or stop signs or traffic.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
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> Nice.
>
> I love that when the first storm of the season comes and suddenly no one
> recalls what it’s like to drive in those conditions
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It was 70 here on Saturday and around 30 or so Sunday with 40-50mph winds. Very 
miserable. No ice or snow though. 

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> On Nov 26, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nice.
> 
> I love that when the first storm of the season comes and suddenly no one 
> recalls what it’s like to drive in those conditions
> 
> -D shoveling sunshine
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Saturday, it was beautiful in Kansas. My 7 year old son and I played 
>> outside. We worked in the yard, had a small fire in the fire pit to get rid 
>> of some limbs. It was a very nice day. THEN on Sunday, Winter remembered to 
>> make a visit to Kansas. Sunday morning we had blizzard conditions and 4-6 
>> inches of snow that drifted into feet in places. The wind blew hard and it 
>> was COLD! Some of the snow melted into slush.  But, once the sun went down 
>> the slush froze hard!  My 1999 BMW 740iL  is rear wheel drive.  But, it has 
>> nearly new tires on it.  They are all season. But, still good tires.  I had 
>> to drive to a nearby town last night (about 15 miles).   I was driving 
>> mostly on the interstate.   I saw at least a dozen cars off the road.  A few 
>> were smallish front wheel drive cars.  A couple were sports cars (newish 
>> Dodge Challenger, Camaro, and a Mustang).   I did see a few trucks also.   
>> One poor guy was in an older 4WD drive Explorer.  He must have been driving 
>> too fast or hit an icy spot.   He went off into the median and must have 
>> spent several minutes trying to get out because he had turned half of the 
>> median into mud as he was spinning around.   When I came back he was still 
>> stuck.A newer Camry passed me on my back.  I was traveling with the 
>> traffic about 50 MPH and a newer Camry passed all of us going at least 70.  
>> A few miles later I saw a Camry WAY down in the ditch off the road.  I'm not 
>> positive it was the same car, but I think it was.
>> 
>> It is amazing the morons that still don't know how to drive.
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] SNOW!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Nice.

I love that when the first storm of the season comes and suddenly no one 
recalls what it’s like to drive in those conditions

-D shoveling sunshine

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, it was beautiful in Kansas. My 7 year old son and I played 
> outside. We worked in the yard, had a small fire in the fire pit to get rid 
> of some limbs. It was a very nice day. THEN on Sunday, Winter remembered to 
> make a visit to Kansas. Sunday morning we had blizzard conditions and 4-6 
> inches of snow that drifted into feet in places. The wind blew hard and it 
> was COLD! Some of the snow melted into slush.  But, once the sun went down 
> the slush froze hard!  My 1999 BMW 740iL  is rear wheel drive.  But, it has 
> nearly new tires on it.  They are all season. But, still good tires.  I had 
> to drive to a nearby town last night (about 15 miles).   I was driving mostly 
> on the interstate.   I saw at least a dozen cars off the road.  A few were 
> smallish front wheel drive cars.  A couple were sports cars (newish Dodge 
> Challenger, Camaro, and a Mustang).   I did see a few trucks also.   One poor 
> guy was in an older 4WD drive Explorer.  He must have been driving too fast 
> or hit an icy spot.   He went off into the median and must have spent several 
> minutes trying to get out because he had turned half of the median into mud 
> as he was spinning around.   When I came back he was still stuck.A newer 
> Camry passed me on my back.  I was traveling with the traffic about 50 MPH 
> and a newer Camry passed all of us going at least 70.  A few miles later I 
> saw a Camry WAY down in the ditch off the road.  I'm not positive it was the 
> same car, but I think it was.
> 
> It is amazing the morons that still don't know how to drive.
> 
> Donald H. Snook
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[MBZ] SNOW prediction

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Wisconsin snow prediction:

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Re: [MBZ] Snow follies

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

55 in sunny Awa.  Supposed to hit 75 in a day or two.

65 on the Gu'f coast.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
March 4, 2017 at 2:23 PM
I'm at Dartmouth this weekend in Hanover, NH. Temperature today will peak
at 17. Down to 5 degrees again tonight. Some snow dusting last night. 
Brrr.


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Re: [MBZ] Snow follies

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm at Dartmouth this weekend in Hanover, NH.  Temperature today will peak
at 17. Down to 5 degrees again tonight. Some snow dusting last night. Brrr.

On Mar 3, 2017 10:37 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

While Dan is working out his AC we're getting a little snow. Angie and I
had gone to Keene for game night and on the way back it was pretty slippy.
We'd gotten maybe 1/4" of snow but its cold, like 15F so the cars are
crushing it into an ice layer. We were driving uphill into a left hand bend
when all of a sudden a gen 4 ('99 to '04) Jetta crossed our path sliding
sideways. Turns out she'd slowed to avoid and accident and got hit by the
van behind her.
I grabbed the binders thinking "Yeah right, we're going to slide right into
her" but to my surprise between the snow tires and the ABS our '05 Golf
(also a gen4) didn't even waver and slowed down smartly. I navigated around
the Jetta and accelerated just before our trailing vehicle would have hit
us. We got pulled off to the side and stopped, I got out to go see if the
other driver needed help and very nearly fell on my butt, it was that
slippery.
She wasn't hurt but the trunk and bumper on her car were all stove in and
she'd slid down the bank enough she'll need a tow. We waited with her until
the police showed up, meanwhile a plow truck came by.
Didn't help though, trying to climb into Troy we got behind a Durango that
was having a helluva time making the hill. Troy is tough, you climb a big
hill, go back down and then climb again. I actually pulled off halfway up
the hill, the vehicle behind us had no concept of safe following distance
and I didn't fancy being a sandwich. I let them get well ahead before I
tried again and about 3/4 of the way up the hill even we were having a
challenging time, I kept the Golf in 3rd at about 1600 rpm, enough power to
move the car but not really any for spinning, I was keeping out of the
turbo, trying to drive it like a 240D.
The south side of Troy we got into deeper snow, an inch or maybe two but it
was really windy and the wind was making snow devils that made it hard to
see. We forged on though and made it safely. The ride north took us 30mins,
south was 90. Angie knows its bad out when I drive with both hands...
-Curt
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[MBZ] Snow follies

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

While Dan is working out his AC we're getting a little snow. Angie and I had 
gone to Keene for game night and on the way back it was pretty slippy. We'd 
gotten maybe 1/4" of snow but its cold, like 15F so the cars are crushing it 
into an ice layer. We were driving uphill into a left hand bend when all of a 
sudden a gen 4 ('99 to '04) Jetta crossed our path sliding sideways. Turns out 
she'd slowed to avoid and accident and got hit by the van behind her.
I grabbed the binders thinking "Yeah right, we're going to slide right into 
her" but to my surprise between the snow tires and the ABS our '05 Golf (also a 
gen4) didn't even waver and slowed down smartly. I navigated around the Jetta 
and accelerated just before our trailing vehicle would have hit us. We got 
pulled off to the side and stopped, I got out to go see if the other driver 
needed help and very nearly fell on my butt, it was that slippery.
She wasn't hurt but the trunk and bumper on her car were all stove in and she'd 
slid down the bank enough she'll need a tow. We waited with her until the 
police showed up, meanwhile a plow truck came by.
Didn't help though, trying to climb into Troy we got behind a Durango that was 
having a helluva time making the hill. Troy is tough, you climb a big hill, go 
back down and then climb again. I actually pulled off halfway up the hill, the 
vehicle behind us had no concept of safe following distance and I didn't fancy 
being a sandwich. I let them get well ahead before I tried again and about 3/4 
of the way up the hill even we were having a challenging time, I kept the Golf 
in 3rd at about 1600 rpm, enough power to move the car but not really any for 
spinning, I was keeping out of the turbo, trying to drive it like a 240D.
The south side of Troy we got into deeper snow, an inch or maybe two but it was 
really windy and the wind was making snow devils that made it hard to see. We 
forged on though and made it safely. The ride north took us 30mins, south was 
90. Angie knows its bad out when I drive with both hands...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Tim Crone via Mercedes]

Roughly the same in Chapel Hill, of course all the plows are still working
on Raleigh so nobody is going anywhere, even in city limits.

Anyone heard from Wilton?  I gather that side of the state lost power.

Best,
Tim
On Jan 23, 2016 8:14 PM, "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> In NC Piedmont (near Henderson NC) we were on the edge of the storm, which
> has now past.  Friday, we got some snow followed by sleet and freezing
> rain,
> probably 2-3 inches of dense crystalline stuff.  Earlier today we probably
> got another 1-2 inches of actual snow.  Roads are passible but dangerous
> and
> none plowed out here in the sticks.  Well above freezing forecast Sun and
> Mon so I expect roads will clear without plowing.  Brother in west NJ
> reports 3 ft of light stuff and still falling.  Sister in south NJ reports
> 2
> ft of wet heavy stuff.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:14 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com List <Mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Rick Hawkins Java <macj...@aol.com>
> > Subject: [MBZ] snow reports
> >
> > i'm curious about the snow reports
> >
> > in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm
> last
> > night
> >
> > my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south
> of
> us
> > here)
> >
> > i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked
> like
> > about 8 inches on a rooftop
> >
> > did NYC get a lot more snow than that
> >
> > how about DC?
> >
> > etc
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > xx rick
> > Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Sunny and cold here in NW Arkansas...

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[WILTON via Mercedes]

And I'm lucky enough to be in the area of NC not shown in white.  43F & 
sunny!  I've "served my time" in the white, though.


Wilton

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 08:56:25 -0600 "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Sunny and cold here in NW Arkansas...

-MMM-


In looking at the US Visible Satellite Loop at

http://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/satellite/displaySat.php?region=US=mult_big=vis

one can see large areas of white that don't move when the clouds are
shown as moving. Those areas of snow cover southern Illinois, southern
Indiana, Kentucky, Tennissee, western North Carolina, Virginia, West
Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and some in other
states.

Impressive!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 08:56:25 -0600 "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Sunny and cold here in NW Arkansas...
> 
> -MMM-

In looking at the US Visible Satellite Loop at

http://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/satellite/displaySat.php?region=US=mult_big=vis

one can see large areas of white that don't move when the clouds are
shown as moving. Those areas of snow cover southern Illinois, southern
Indiana, Kentucky, Tennissee, western North Carolina, Virginia, West
Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and some in other
states.

Impressive!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

We are shoveling sunshine here in Albuquerque, NM ...

Craig


Likewise here.  Shoveling tons of sunshine.  about 50º

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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:17:49 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not a flake in central MA...
> -Curt

We are shoveling sunshine here in Albuquerque, NM ...


Craig

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>  Subject: [MBZ] snow reports
>
> i'm curious about the snow reports
> 
> in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm
> last night
> 
> my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south
> of us here)
> 
> i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked
> like about 8 inches on a rooftop
> 
> did NYC get a lot more snow than that
> 
> how about DC?
> 
> etc
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Not a flake in central MA...
-Curt
 

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 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:14 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] snow reports
   
i'm curious about the snow reports

in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm last 
night

my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of us 
here)

i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked like 
about 8 inches on a rooftop

did NYC get a lot more snow than that

how about DC?

etc


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No snow in OK

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> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Not a flake in central MA...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com List" <Mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Rick Hawkins Java <macj...@aol.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:14 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] snow reports
> 
> i'm curious about the snow reports
> 
> in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm last 
> night
> 
> my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of us 
> here)
> 
> i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked like 
> about 8 inches on a rooftop
> 
> did NYC get a lot more snow than that
> 
> how about DC?
> 
> etc
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I measured 18" at 1:30 when it was snowing steadily but not heavily.  After
I came inside, abloizzard conditions adding another several inches - and
it's still snowing hard at 5:30PM.  NYC was supposed to receive "only" 12",
but they've been upgraded to 20" +, about the same as the DC area.  It also
appears that the storm will not spare Boston, as originally forecast.  Not
sure what their totals will be.

On a lighter note, has anyone seen the cat-certo video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHg=youtu.be

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> We are shoveling sunshine here in Albuquerque, NM ...
>>
>> Craig
>>
>
> Likewise here.  Shoveling tons of sunshine.  about 50º
>
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

No I don't  think you will get any. Storm is going up the coast. Boston
might get more than originally  forecast but not west & north where you are.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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1990 300D
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On Jan 23, 2016 4:31 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Thats amazing. For context I live a mere hour and a half from Dwight...
> Its cold, grey and blustry here, but not snowing, none expected...
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Dwight Giles <dwight.gi...@gmail.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Curt Raymond <
> curtlud...@yahoo.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:24 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow reports
>
> About  4" so far here in the home of the ChowdahQ & still  coming down.
> Forecast is for 10 -12" by morning. Wind has died down a bit.Dwight Giles
> Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RIOn Jan 23, 2016 4:17 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Not a flake in central MA...
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Cc: Rick Hawkins Java <macj...@aol.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:14 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] snow reports
>
> i'm curious about the snow reports
>
> in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm
> last night
>
> my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of
> us here)
>
> i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked
> like about 8 inches on a rooftop
>
> did NYC get a lot more snow than that
>
> how about DC?
>
> etc
>
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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[MBZ] snow reports

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

i'm curious about the snow reports

in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm last 
night

my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of us 
here)

i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked like 
about 8 inches on a rooftop

did NYC get a lot more snow than that

how about DC?

etc


thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

About  4" so far here in the home of the ChowdahQ & still  coming down.
Forecast is for 10 -12" by morning. Wind has died down a bit.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 23, 2016 4:17 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Not a flake in central MA...
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com List" <Mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Rick Hawkins Java <macj...@aol.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:14 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] snow reports
>
> i'm curious about the snow reports
>
> in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm
> last night
>
> my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of
> us here)
>
> i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked
> like about 8 inches on a rooftop
>
> did NYC get a lot more snow than that
>
> how about DC?
>
> etc
>
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I saw some flakes blowing around this morning but not much of anything, 
Max who lives a bit north of me said it was melting when it hit the 
ground, I guess it was a bit colder there.  Upstate got an inch or two, 
as did between there and Atlanta.


My niece lives in DC area, looks like they had a foot or so, and her 
brother lives in Richmond, VA, looks like they got maybe 6-8in.


--R

On 1/23/16 4:14 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote:

i'm curious about the snow reports

in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm last 
night

my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of us 
here)

i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked like 
about 8 inches on a rooftop

did NYC get a lot more snow than that

how about DC?

etc


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In NC Piedmont (near Henderson NC) we were on the edge of the storm, which
has now past.  Friday, we got some snow followed by sleet and freezing rain,
probably 2-3 inches of dense crystalline stuff.  Earlier today we probably
got another 1-2 inches of actual snow.  Roads are passible but dangerous and
none plowed out here in the sticks.  Well above freezing forecast Sun and
Mon so I expect roads will clear without plowing.  Brother in west NJ
reports 3 ft of light stuff and still falling.  Sister in south NJ reports 2
ft of wet heavy stuff.

> -Original Message-
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> Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:14 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com List <Mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Rick Hawkins Java <macj...@aol.com>
> Subject: [MBZ] snow reports
> 
> i'm curious about the snow reports
> 
> in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm
last
> night
> 
> my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of
us
> here)
> 
> i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked
like
> about 8 inches on a rooftop
> 
> did NYC get a lot more snow than that
> 
> how about DC?
> 
> etc
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.
About 1/4 to 1/2" here on the coast of MA.
Fred.


From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight Giles via 
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 23 January 2016 21:24
To: Mercedes Discussion List; Curt Raymond
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow reports

About  4" so far here in the home of the ChowdahQ & still  coming down.
Forecast is for 10 -12" by morning. Wind has died down a bit.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

We've got to be over 20" now west of Morristown, NJ... I haven't gone out
to measure yet.  But its up to the bumper on my suburban, and the C and S
class in the driveway have disappeared.

I made two runs over the drive way with the kubota so far, and planning for
the last in the morning probably.

We're in the NWS's 24-30" zone, with 30-36 just south of here, so its
certainly not over yet!

Jaime


On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I measured 18" at 1:30 when it was snowing steadily but not heavily.  After
> I came inside, abloizzard conditions adding another several inches - and
> it's still snowing hard at 5:30PM.  NYC was supposed to receive "only" 12",
> but they've been upgraded to 20" +, about the same as the DC area.  It also
> appears that the storm will not spare Boston, as originally forecast.  Not
> sure what their totals will be.
>
> On a lighter note, has anyone seen the cat-certo video?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHg=youtu.be
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> We are shoveling sunshine here in Albuquerque, NM ...
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >
> > Likewise here.  Shoveling tons of sunshine.  about 50º
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Shoveling sunshine with lots of wind today in Florida


> On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> No snow in OK
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Not a flake in central MA...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>> Cc: Rick Hawkins Java <macj...@aol.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:14 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] snow reports
>> 
>> i'm curious about the snow reports
>> 
>> in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm last 
>> night
>> 
>> my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of 
>> us here)
>> 
>> i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked like 
>> about 8 inches on a rooftop
>> 
>> did NYC get a lot more snow than that
>> 
>> how about DC?
>> 
>> etc
>> 
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> xx rick
>> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats amazing. For context I live a mere hour and a half from Dwight...
Its cold, grey and blustry here, but not snowing, none expected...
-Curt
 

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Curt Raymond 
<curtlud...@yahoo.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow reports
   
About  4" so far here in the home of the ChowdahQ & still  coming down. 
Forecast is for 10 -12" by morning. Wind has died down a bit.Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RIOn Jan 23, 2016 4:17 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Not a flake in central MA...
-Curt


      From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com List" <Mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Rick Hawkins Java <macj...@aol.com>
 Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:14 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] snow reports

i'm curious about the snow reports

in athens, ga we only received about 1/4 of an inch of snow maybe 7 pm last 
night

my father got about 2 inches in SC, just east of Augusta, GA (and south of us 
here)

i spoke to someone in Greenwich Village NYC and he said it only looked like 
about 8 inches on a rooftop

did NYC get a lot more snow than that

how about DC?

etc


thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 23, 2016 at 5:34 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I measured 18" at 1:30 when it was snowing steadily but not heavily.  After
> I came inside, abloizzard conditions adding another several inches - and
> it's still snowing hard at 5:30PM. 

And Andrew's cat is not amused. 
http://i.imgur.com/sdXoeGV.gif

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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

39F (4C) NW wind 8 mph clear in Crystal River Florida. 55F tomorrow Sunday.
Gerry

> >We are shoveling sunshine here in Albuquerque, NM ...
> >Craig
> 
> Likewise here.  Shoveling tons of sunshine.  about 50º
> Curly
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Re: [MBZ] snow reports

[OK Don via Mercedes]

38° F, wind S at 12 mph, and forecast to hit 60° F tomorrow in central OK.
We enjoyed the first day of sunshine in a week - the flying was lovely.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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> 39F (4C) NW wind 8 mph clear in Crystal River Florida. 55F tomorrow Sunday.
> Gerry
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

 > M. wrote:


 Helpful hint of the day:  A couple quarts of Windex in your
 washer fluid does a great job of cutting the oily spray one
 gets from a wet Interstate.


Good idea.   But it's prone to freeze.  I usually put some
dish soap in.  I use water in the summer, but some sort of
anti-freeze when it gets cold.



'Shine makes good antifreeze.

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Applied internally

--R

On 12/28/15 9:47 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

 > M. wrote:


 Helpful hint of the day:  A couple quarts of Windex in your
 washer fluid does a great job of cutting the oily spray one
 gets from a wet Interstate.


Good idea.   But it's prone to freeze.  I usually put some
dish soap in.  I use water in the summer, but some sort of
anti-freeze when it gets cold.



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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I'm a little confused by this.

I can see the eastern and northern parts of the state being affected by winter 
weather, as they're somewhat mountainous.  However, as I recall from a couple 
of visits, Albuquerque is just high desert if that, with the mountains being 
nearby.

Are you saying that they had that kind of snowfall in Albuquerque?

Dan shoveling many feet of sunshine in the 80s today

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> Now we find,
> 
>“Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque or Santa Fe
>and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad,’ but it is extremely bad,”
>Martinez said. “I cannot express how serious the situation is.
>The southeastern part of the state has 16 to 20 inches of snow
>with snow drifts of 8 to 10 feet.”
> 
> How has Oklahoma fared?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:56:26 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> There is more coming, as this story from 0802 this morning says:
> 
>   A civil emergency was declared Sunday morning as high winds and
>   blowing snow led to dangerous and life-threatening conditions in
>   eastern New Mexico, officials said.
> 
>   Snow drifts of 6 to 10 feet and low visibility were reported in
>   Roosevelt and Quay counties. Wind gusts of up to 60 mph and
>   negative wind chills created hazardous travel conditions,
>   officials said.
> 
>   Several motorists were stranded, and drivers were urged to stay
>   off the roads.

Now we find,

“Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque or Santa Fe
and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad,’ but it is extremely bad,”
Martinez said. “I cannot express how serious the situation is.
The southeastern part of the state has 16 to 20 inches of snow
with snow drifts of 8 to 10 feet.”

How has Oklahoma fared?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 13:15:11 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I'm a little confused by this.
> 
> I can see the eastern and northern parts of the state being affected by
> winter weather, as they're somewhat mountainous.  However, as I recall
> from a couple of visits, Albuquerque is just high desert if that, with
> the mountains being nearby.
> 
> Are you saying that they had that kind of snowfall in Albuquerque?
> 
> Dan shoveling many feet of sunshine in the 80s today
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Dec 28, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote: Now we find,
> > 
> >“Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque or Santa Fe
> >and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad,’ but it is extremely bad,”
> >Martinez said. “I cannot express how serious the situation is.
> >The southeastern part of the state has 16 to 20 inches of snow
> >with snow drifts of 8 to 10 feet.”
> > 
> > How has Oklahoma fared?

No, as our Governor said, "Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque
or Santa Fe and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad ...'"

Albuquerque has not had that kind of snow. Look at http://nmroads.com/ --
the roads that are in red are the areas that got dumped on with snow.

Contrary to what seems reasonable, the lower areas got hit, because
that's where the storm was most intense. The snow, even here in
Albuquerque, was coming from the south because the low pressure area was
near the southwest corner of New Mexico and the counter-clockwise
rotation of the air pumped moisture from Mexico and the Pacific ocean
into the state.

Does that make more sense?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

It is probably 80F and very tropical humid here today.  I refuse to put 
on on the AC units, I just got my mini-splits organized to make heat 
last week.


--R

On 12/28/15 2:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

We're blaming the Mexican Riviera for our abnormally warm and wet Xmas
holiday weather.  There is a powerful stream of tropical area from off the
W (Pacific) coast of Mexico that heads to the NE all the way into New
England, and presumably maritime Canada as well.  We shattered the old
12/25 record of 69 by two F degrees.

Andrew in DC area

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


It does. The quote was a bit obtuse.

I just recall everything to the south and west of Albuquerque as being
rather flat.

Sent from my iPad


No, as our Governor said, "Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque
or Santa Fe and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad ...'"

Albuquerque has not had that kind of snow. Look at http://nmroads.com/

--

the roads that are in red are the areas that got dumped on with snow.

Contrary to what seems reasonable, the lower areas got hit, because
that's where the storm was most intense. The snow, even here in
Albuquerque, was coming from the south because the low pressure area was
near the southwest corner of New Mexico and the counter-clockwise
rotation of the air pumped moisture from Mexico and the Pacific ocean
into the state.

Does that make more sense?


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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We're blaming the Mexican Riviera for our abnormally warm and wet Xmas
holiday weather.  There is a powerful stream of tropical area from off the
W (Pacific) coast of Mexico that heads to the NE all the way into New
England, and presumably maritime Canada as well.  We shattered the old
12/25 record of 69 by two F degrees.

Andrew in DC area

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It does. The quote was a bit obtuse.
>
> I just recall everything to the south and west of Albuquerque as being
> rather flat.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> >
> > No, as our Governor said, "Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque
> > or Santa Fe and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad ...'"
> >
> > Albuquerque has not had that kind of snow. Look at http://nmroads.com/
> --
> > the roads that are in red are the areas that got dumped on with snow.
> >
> > Contrary to what seems reasonable, the lower areas got hit, because
> > that's where the storm was most intense. The snow, even here in
> > Albuquerque, was coming from the south because the low pressure area was
> > near the southwest corner of New Mexico and the counter-clockwise
> > rotation of the air pumped moisture from Mexico and the Pacific ocean
> > into the state.
> >
> > Does that make more sense?
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Roads are ¼" of glare ice, with 1" of snow on them so far.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:56:26 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>
> How has Oklahoma fared?
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We had some sleet and freezing rain this morning that turned to snow. Should 
about over now. I had to take kid to a dr appointment and the roads are not too 
bad.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:56:26 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> There is more coming, as this story from 0802 this morning says:
>> 
>>A civil emergency was declared Sunday morning as high winds and
>>blowing snow led to dangerous and life-threatening conditions in
>>eastern New Mexico, officials said.
>> 
>>Snow drifts of 6 to 10 feet and low visibility were reported in
>>Roosevelt and Quay counties. Wind gusts of up to 60 mph and
>>negative wind chills created hazardous travel conditions,
>>officials said.
>> 
>>Several motorists were stranded, and drivers were urged to stay
>>off the roads.
> 
> Now we find,
> 
>“Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque or Santa Fe
>and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad,’ but it is extremely bad,”
>Martinez said. “I cannot express how serious the situation is.
>The southeastern part of the state has 16 to 20 inches of snow
>with snow drifts of 8 to 10 feet.”
> 
> How has Oklahoma fared?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It does. The quote was a bit obtuse.

I just recall everything to the south and west of Albuquerque as being rather 
flat.

Sent from my iPad

> 
> No, as our Governor said, "Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque
> or Santa Fe and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad ...'"
> 
> Albuquerque has not had that kind of snow. Look at http://nmroads.com/ --
> the roads that are in red are the areas that got dumped on with snow.
> 
> Contrary to what seems reasonable, the lower areas got hit, because
> that's where the storm was most intense. The snow, even here in
> Albuquerque, was coming from the south because the low pressure area was
> near the southwest corner of New Mexico and the counter-clockwise
> rotation of the air pumped moisture from Mexico and the Pacific ocean
> into the state.
> 
> Does that make more sense?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Sorry I didn't delete the quotes. On a cell phone with no electric power for the
last 2.5 hours. Should have remembered that ice storms bring outages.

> On December 28, 2015 at 2:43 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is probably 80F and very tropical humid here today.  I refuse to put 
> on on the AC units, I just got my mini-splits organized to make heat 
> last week.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 12/28/15 2:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > We're blaming the Mexican Riviera for our abnormally warm and wet Xmas
> > holiday weather.  There is a powerful stream of tropical area from off the
> > W (Pacific) coast of Mexico that heads to the NE all the way into New
> > England, and presumably maritime Canada as well.  We shattered the old
> > 12/25 record of 69 by two F degrees.
> >
> > Andrew in DC area
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It does. The quote was a bit obtuse.
> >>
> >> I just recall everything to the south and west of Albuquerque as being
> >> rather flat.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> No, as our Governor said, "Someone may look at the winter in Albuquerque
> >>> or Santa Fe and say, ‘It doesn’t seem that bad ...'"
> >>>
> >>> Albuquerque has not had that kind of snow. Look at http://nmroads.com/
> >> --
> >>> the roads that are in red are the areas that got dumped on with snow.
> >>>
> >>> Contrary to what seems reasonable, the lower areas got hit, because
> >>> that's where the storm was most intense. The snow, even here in
> >>> Albuquerque, was coming from the south because the low pressure area was
> >>> near the southwest corner of New Mexico and the counter-clockwise
> >>> rotation of the air pumped moisture from Mexico and the Pacific ocean
> >>> into the state.
> >>>
> >>> Does that make more sense?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup - we're supposed to get another ¼" of ice followed by up to 4" of snow.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:52:35 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > We have sleet, the roads are slippery, but I've not gone out to really
> > test them. This wasn't forecast to arrive until this evening here . . .
>
> There is more coming, as this story from 0802 this morning says:
>
> A civil emergency was declared Sunday morning as high winds and
> blowing snow led to dangerous and life-threatening conditions in
> eastern New Mexico, officials said.
>
> Snow drifts of 6 to 10 feet and low visibility were reported in
> Roosevelt and Quay counties. Wind gusts of up to 60 mph and
> negative wind chills created hazardous travel conditions,
> officials said.
>
> Several motorists were stranded, and drivers were urged to stay
> off the roads.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Here, too.  Eastern NC.

Wilt

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75 and sunny here!

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[MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Craig via Mercedes]

Things here in Albuquerque are pretty much shut down because of the snow
overnight. A local TV station's website says,

The winter storm has caused treacherous driving conditions across
the state. 178 accidents have been reported in Albuquerque. APD
is asking everyone to stay off the roads.

Interstate 40 is closed from Eubank all the way to the Texas
state line.

I-25 is closed at the Paseo del Norte flyover due to icy
conditions.



Police are asking drivers to exchange insurance information and
report minor accidents on Monday. A police officer will be sent
to all accidents where someone is injured.

Are those in Oklahoma seeing winter conditions as forecasted?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We have sleet, the roads are slippery, but I've not gone out to really test
them. This wasn't forecast to arrive until this evening here . . .

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> On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:58:51 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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>
> > So New Mexico freaks out even more than OK with a little snow. What did
> > you get, an inch or 2?
>
> Yes, but we have a lot of ice.
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We've gotten 3+" of rain/sleet so far - more on the way, mostly pre-frozen.

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The lawn mower was (finally!) put to bed for the winter a month ago -
longest grass cutting season I've ever had.

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> Here, too.  Eastern NC.
>
> Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's been raining hard here for 2 days. Supposed to have winter mix tomorrow 
maybe

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> On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:58:51 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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> 
>> So New Mexico freaks out even more than OK with a little snow. What did
>> you get, an inch or 2?
> 
> Yes, but we have a lot of ice.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

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75 and sunny here!

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:58:51 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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> So New Mexico freaks out even more than OK with a little snow. What did
> you get, an inch or 2?

Yes, but we have a lot of ice.


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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Low 80s here - taking a break from cutting grass.

Got the AC on, too.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So New Mexico freaks out even more than OK with a little snow. What did you 
get, an inch or 2?

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> On Dec 27, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Things here in Albuquerque are pretty much shut down because of the snow
> overnight. A local TV station's website says,
> 
>The winter storm has caused treacherous driving conditions across
>the state. 178 accidents have been reported in Albuquerque. APD
>is asking everyone to stay off the roads.
> 
>Interstate 40 is closed from Eubank all the way to the Texas
>state line.
> 
>I-25 is closed at the Paseo del Norte flyover due to icy
>conditions.
> 
>
> 
>Police are asking drivers to exchange insurance information and
>report minor accidents on Monday. A police officer will be sent
>to all accidents where someone is injured.
> 
> Are those in Oklahoma seeing winter conditions as forecasted?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:52:35 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> We have sleet, the roads are slippery, but I've not gone out to really
> test them. This wasn't forecast to arrive until this evening here . . .

There is more coming, as this story from 0802 this morning says:

A civil emergency was declared Sunday morning as high winds and
blowing snow led to dangerous and life-threatening conditions in
eastern New Mexico, officials said.

Snow drifts of 6 to 10 feet and low visibility were reported in
Roosevelt and Quay counties. Wind gusts of up to 60 mph and
negative wind chills created hazardous travel conditions,
officials said.

Several motorists were stranded, and drivers were urged to stay
off the roads.


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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

In a kind of a reversal, we are looking forward to 6 (six, count'em) days in
a row of dry weather starting Thursday here in the PNW. OTOH, there's about
5' of base up on Mt. Hood.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

Things here in Albuquerque are pretty much shut down because of the snow
overnight. A local TV station's website says,

The winter storm has caused treacherous driving conditions across
the state. 178 accidents have been reported in Albuquerque. APD
is asking everyone to stay off the roads.

Interstate 40 is closed from Eubank all the way to the Texas
state line.

I-25 is closed at the Paseo del Norte flyover due to icy
conditions.



Police are asking drivers to exchange insurance information and
report minor accidents on Monday. A police officer will be sent
to all accidents where someone is injured.

Are those in Oklahoma seeing winter conditions as forecasted?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Drove from Conway, AR to Springdale in pouring rain, but no snow.

Helpful hint of the day:  A couple quarts of Windex in your washer fluid
does a great job of cutting the oily spray one gets from a wet Interstate.

-MMM-


Nuther helpful  A half cup of ammonia in a quart of water is a 
whole lot cheaper and just as effective.  If you can't live without 
the blue, add blue food color to taste.


No self respecting baker will pay for windex to clean the bakery cases.

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've been using RainX washer fluid for awhile. Once in awhile I figured its a 
waste of money and go back to the cheap stuff. I very rapidly switch back to 
RainX after I do. Only the orange winter stuff mind you, the green summer stuff 
is terrible...
-Curt

 

  From: M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel <marme...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico
   
Drove from Conway, AR to Springdale in pouring rain, but no snow.

Helpful hint of the day:  A couple quarts of Windex in your washer fluid
does a great job of cutting the oily spray one gets from a wet Interstate.

-MMM-

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 4:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Don't you guys REALLY need that moisture?
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > In a kind of a reversal, we are looking forward to 6 (six, count'em) days
> > in
> > a row of dry weather starting Thursday here in the PNW. OTOH, there's
> about
> > 5' of base up on Mt. Hood.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig
> > via
> > Mercedes
> > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:54 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Craig
> > Subject: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico
> >
> > Things here in Albuquerque are pretty much shut down because of the snow
> > overnight. A local TV station's website says,
> >
> >        The winter storm has caused treacherous driving conditions across
> >        the state. 178 accidents have been reported in Albuquerque. APD
> >        is asking everyone to stay off the roads.
> >
> >        Interstate 40 is closed from Eubank all the way to the Texas
> >        state line.
> >
> >        I-25 is closed at the Paseo del Norte flyover due to icy
> >        conditions.
> >
> >        
> >
> >        Police are asking drivers to exchange insurance information and
> >        report minor accidents on Monday. A police officer will be sent
> >        to all accidents where someone is injured.
> >
> > Are those in Oklahoma seeing winter conditions as forecasted?
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[clay via Mercedes]

Governor decided to call off the drought emergency since we have enough water 
falling out of the sky now and snow pack is up.  If we keep up the precip,  it 
should all be good.

clay



On Dec 27, 2015, at 2:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

> Don't you guys REALLY need that moisture?
> 
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> In a kind of a reversal, we are looking forward to 6 (six, count'em) days
>> in
>> a row of dry weather starting Thursday here in the PNW. OTOH, there's about
>> 5' of base up on Mt. Hood.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig
>> via
>> Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:54 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Craig
>> Subject: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico
>> 
>> Things here in Albuquerque are pretty much shut down because of the snow
>> overnight. A local TV station's website says,
>> 
>>The winter storm has caused treacherous driving conditions across
>>the state. 178 accidents have been reported in Albuquerque. APD
>>is asking everyone to stay off the roads.
>> 
>>Interstate 40 is closed from Eubank all the way to the Texas
>>state line.
>> 
>>I-25 is closed at the Paseo del Norte flyover due to icy
>>conditions.
>> 
>>
>> 
>>Police are asking drivers to exchange insurance information and
>>report minor accidents on Monday. A police officer will be sent
>>to all accidents where someone is injured.
>> 
>> Are those in Oklahoma seeing winter conditions as forecasted?
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> M. wrote:
> 
> Helpful hint of the day:  A couple quarts of Windex in your
> washer fluid does a great job of cutting the oily spray one
> gets from a wet Interstate.

Good idea.   But it's prone to freeze.  I usually put some
dish soap in.  I use water in the summer, but some sort of
anti-freeze when it gets cold.

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

High 70s here in the Lowcountry, I am not complaining except that the 
skeeters have not looked at the calendar to see that it is winter.


We got hammered some years ago driving from Houston to Keystone, CO, 
roads were closed up in NE NM, we found some other route that was back 
roads, fairly nasty but made it OK.  There had been a big snowstorm in 
Denver, we got there just after it quit and getting through there was 
slow-going as the roads had not really been cleared but we made it 
through that.  On the way back all the roads east of Denver were closed 
due to a big storm and forecast huge snow, we went south then tried to 
go east but all those roads were closed too.  Stayed 2 nights in Pueblo, 
all south and east was closed for the duration (22ft drifts in places) 
so we headed back to Denver then east, road was pretty bad but open, 
then south.  Long trip home, I think I drove 26 hr straight.


Y'all have fun, I won't laugh at you because that might mean our 76F 
turns into snow!


--R

On 12/27/15 4:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

The lawn mower was (finally!) put to bed for the winter a month ago -
longest grass cutting season I've ever had.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 3:33 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Here, too.  Eastern NC.

Wilt

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75 and sunny here!

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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Well...we were in a drought, but the rain we've had so far this month has been 
more than 14". So the local drought is officially over.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don via 
Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:45 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

Don't you guys REALLY need that moisture?

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In a kind of a reversal, we are looking forward to 6 (six, count'em) days
> in
> a row of dry weather starting Thursday here in the PNW. OTOH, there's about
> 5' of base up on Mt. Hood.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig
> via
> Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:54 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Craig
> Subject: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico
>
> Things here in Albuquerque are pretty much shut down because of the snow
> overnight. A local TV station's website says,
>
> The winter storm has caused treacherous driving conditions across
> the state. 178 accidents have been reported in Albuquerque. APD
> is asking everyone to stay off the roads.
>
> Interstate 40 is closed from Eubank all the way to the Texas
> state line.
>
> I-25 is closed at the Paseo del Norte flyover due to icy
> conditions.
>
> 
>
> Police are asking drivers to exchange insurance information and
> report minor accidents on Monday. A police officer will be sent
> to all accidents where someone is injured.
>
> Are those in Oklahoma seeing winter conditions as forecasted?
>
>
> Craig
>
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for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Snow comes to New Mexico

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:52:23 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I've been using RainX washer fluid for awhile. Once in awhile I figured
> its a waste of money and go back to the cheap stuff. I very rapidly
> switch back to RainX after I do. Only the orange winter stuff mind you,
> the green summer stuff is terrible... -Curt

I've been using RainX orange and wonder about the wax on the windshield.
It also puts wax on the hood where the washer nozzles dribble, leaving a
noticable streak.


Craig

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