Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic

2009-02-19 Thread Wilton Strickland
Scary!!  So, when trying to pass, driver can expose a LOT of car to the
other lane before the driver can see that the passing lane is free, or
NOT  'Sounds more like drive by feel.  Well, if all of that large
part of the car sticking out there has been hit by now, I quess it's OK to
go ahead.  Real smart.   ;))

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic


 that's the way it works in the US Virgin Islands now; Amerikun-style
 cars driven on the left side of the road.


 cheers!
 e
 n

 Wilton Strickland wrote:
  So, Sweden switched from left hand traffic (LHT) to right had traffic
(RHT)
  in 1967, but even with LHT, many (maybe most) cars were driven from the
  eft  - left hand drive (LHD).  Most drivers, then, were already
positioned
  on the left side of the car for better/safer operation in RHT.
 
  Wilton
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic

2009-02-19 Thread Wilton Strickland
Oops  That was s'posed to be has NOT been hit by now.  ;)

Wilton

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 Scary!!  So, when trying to pass, driver can expose a LOT of car to the
 other lane before the driver can see that the passing lane is free, or
 NOT  'Sounds more like drive by feel.  Well, if all of that large
 part of the car sticking out there has been hit by now, I quess it's OK to
 go ahead.  Real smart.   ;))

 Wilton

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 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic


  that's the way it works in the US Virgin Islands now; Amerikun-style
  cars driven on the left side of the road.
 
 
  cheers!
  e
  n
 
  Wilton Strickland wrote:
   So, Sweden switched from left hand traffic (LHT) to right had traffic
 (RHT)
   in 1967, but even with LHT, many (maybe most) cars were driven from
the
   eft  - left hand drive (LHD).  Most drivers, then, were already
 positioned
   on the left side of the car for better/safer operation in RHT.
  
   Wilton
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic

2009-02-19 Thread Rich Thomas
I went there a few years ago, it was kinda weird driving like that.  
Didn't have any problems, but the shotgun had to keep an eye out when 
trying to pass or go around random stuff in the road.


--R

ernest breakfield wrote:
that's the way it works in the US Virgin Islands now; Amerikun-style 
cars driven on the left side of the road.



cheers!
e
n

Wilton Strickland wrote:
So, Sweden switched from left hand traffic (LHT) to right had traffic 
(RHT)

in 1967, but even with LHT, many (maybe most) cars were driven from the
eft  - left hand drive (LHD).  Most drivers, then, were already 
positioned

on the left side of the car for better/safer operation in RHT.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic

2009-02-19 Thread ernest breakfield
yep; even though there's not a speed limit on the islands over 30 or so 
and there isn't much opportunity for any passing, there seem to be an 
inordinately high percentage of cars with bashed up right sides...
   stories of how this driving style came to be there vary; the cute 
one they tell visitors is that this makes it possible to hold hands with 
a friend who is walking down the road while they drive. the more 
practical reason might be that many roads in the islands are so twisty 
and the storms that pass through there so incredibly torrential that the 
only way they can drive at times is to be able to see the edge of the 
road/cliff out the window of the side the driver is sitting on.



cheers!
e


Wilton Strickland wrote:

Scary!!  So, when trying to pass, driver can expose a LOT of car to the
other lane before the driver can see that the passing lane is free, or
NOT  'Sounds more like drive by feel.  Well, if all of that large
part of the car sticking out there has [not] been hit by now, I quess it's OK to
go ahead.  Real smart.   ;))

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic


  

that's the way it works in the US Virgin Islands now; Amerikun-style
cars driven on the left side of the road.


cheers!
e
n

Wilton Strickland wrote:


So, Sweden switched from left hand traffic (LHT) to right had traffic
  

(RHT)
  

in 1967, but even with LHT, many (maybe most) cars were driven from the
eft  - left hand drive (LHD).  Most drivers, then, were already
  

positioned
  

on the left side of the car for better/safer operation in RHT.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic

2009-02-19 Thread Rich Thomas
And even seeing the edge does not help often.  We were there some years 
ago, driving from one end of the island out to the other, over a ridge 
with a sharp drop of maybe 300ft on the inbound side, and there was a 
little circus there trying to recover 2 (!!) cars that were down in the 
brush about 150ft. down the hillside.  We stopped to see if anyone was 
hurt, and the guys were sort of amazed anyone cared -- apparently it was 
a fairly common occurrence at that point in the road, and they just 
dealt with it.  One said both drivers been drunk the night before and 
just drove over the edge and rolled a few times down the hillside, 
without significant damage to the drivers.  The cars were a bit crunched 
but not too bad.  No problem mon.


We did have various goats, donkeys, chickens and other wildlife to dodge 
as we drove around, you go around a sharp curve and a whole flock (or 
whatever they are called) of goats would be in the road, just standing 
there for no apparent reason, and they did not give way too easily.


You gotta love tropical countries.

--R

ernest breakfield wrote:
yep; even though there's not a speed limit on the islands over 30 or 
so and there isn't much opportunity for any passing, there seem to be 
an inordinately high percentage of cars with bashed up right sides...
   stories of how this driving style came to be there vary; the cute 
one they tell visitors is that this makes it possible to hold hands 
with a friend who is walking down the road while they drive. the more 
practical reason might be that many roads in the islands are so twisty 
and the storms that pass through there so incredibly torrential that 
the only way they can drive at times is to be able to see the edge of 
the road/cliff out the window of the side the driver is sitting on.



cheers!
e


Wilton Strickland wrote:

Scary!!  So, when trying to pass, driver can expose a LOT of car to the
other lane before the driver can see that the passing lane is free, or
NOT  'Sounds more like drive by feel.  Well, if all of that large
part of the car sticking out there has [not] been hit by now, I quess 
it's OK to

go ahead.  Real smart.   ;))

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic


 

that's the way it works in the US Virgin Islands now; Amerikun-style
cars driven on the left side of the road.


cheers!
e
n

Wilton Strickland wrote:
   

So, Sweden switched from left hand traffic (LHT) to right had traffic
  

(RHT)
 
in 1967, but even with LHT, many (maybe most) cars were driven from 
the

eft  - left hand drive (LHD).  Most drivers, then, were already
  

positioned
 

on the left side of the car for better/safer operation in RHT.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic

2009-02-19 Thread Wilton Strickland
herd  ;))

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic


 And even seeing the edge does not help often.  We were there some years
 ago, driving from one end of the island out to the other, over a ridge
 with a sharp drop of maybe 300ft on the inbound side, and there was a
 little circus there trying to recover 2 (!!) cars that were down in the
 brush about 150ft. down the hillside.  We stopped to see if anyone was
 hurt, and the guys were sort of amazed anyone cared -- apparently it was
 a fairly common occurrence at that point in the road, and they just
 dealt with it.  One said both drivers been drunk the night before and
 just drove over the edge and rolled a few times down the hillside,
 without significant damage to the drivers.  The cars were a bit crunched
 but not too bad.  No problem mon.

 We did have various goats, donkeys, chickens and other wildlife to dodge
 as we drove around, you go around a sharp curve and a whole flock (or
 whatever they are called) of goats would be in the road, just standing
 there for no apparent reason, and they did not give way too easily.

 You gotta love tropical countries.

 --R

 ernest breakfield wrote:
  yep; even though there's not a speed limit on the islands over 30 or
  so and there isn't much opportunity for any passing, there seem to be
  an inordinately high percentage of cars with bashed up right sides...
 stories of how this driving style came to be there vary; the cute
  one they tell visitors is that this makes it possible to hold hands
  with a friend who is walking down the road while they drive. the more
  practical reason might be that many roads in the islands are so twisty
  and the storms that pass through there so incredibly torrential that
  the only way they can drive at times is to be able to see the edge of
  the road/cliff out the window of the side the driver is sitting on.
 
 
  cheers!
  e
 
 
  Wilton Strickland wrote:
  Scary!!  So, when trying to pass, driver can expose a LOT of car to the
  other lane before the driver can see that the passing lane is free, or
  NOT  'Sounds more like drive by feel.  Well, if all of that
large
  part of the car sticking out there has [not] been hit by now, I quess
  it's OK to
  go ahead.  Real smart.   ;))
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message -
  From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic
 
 
 
  that's the way it works in the US Virgin Islands now; Amerikun-style
  cars driven on the left side of the road.
 
 
  cheers!
  e
  n
 
  Wilton Strickland wrote:
 
  So, Sweden switched from left hand traffic (LHT) to right had traffic
 
  (RHT)
 
  in 1967, but even with LHT, many (maybe most) cars were driven from
  the
  eft  - left hand drive (LHD).  Most drivers, then, were already
 
  positioned
 
  on the left side of the car for better/safer operation in RHT.
 
  Wilton
 
 
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[MBZ] Serious injuries only please

2009-02-18 Thread dblidd

I just love these.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/1033154745.html

Dave Liddell
'77 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please

2009-02-18 Thread E M
A turbo electric car, woooh.  Wonder how you tune an electric car?
When did they start driving on the left hand side in Sweden?   Another well
traveled seller I guess.  hee hee.

Ed
300E

2009/2/18 dbl...@comcast.net


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[MBZ] Serious injuries only please

2009-02-18 Thread Wilton Strickland
Sweden switched to driving on the right sometime, in the '70's, didn't they?

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please


 A turbo electric car, woooh.  Wonder how you tune an electric car?
 When did they start driving on the left hand side in Sweden?   Another
well
 traveled seller I guess.  hee hee.

 Ed
 300E

 2009/2/18 dbl...@comcast.net

 
  I just love these.
 
  http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/1033154745.html
 
  Dave Liddell
  '77 240D
 
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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please

2009-02-18 Thread ernest breakfield
i think someone's confused; it's pretty clear from the pix that the 
steering wheel is on the left side of this car (as is typical in most 
places that drive on the right side of the road).



cheers!
e


Wilton Strickland wrote:

Sweden switched to driving on the right sometime, in the '70's, didn't they?

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please


  

A turbo electric car, woooh.  Wonder how you tune an electric car?
When did they start driving on the left hand side in Sweden?   Another


well
  

traveled seller I guess.  hee hee.

Ed
300E

2009/2/18 dbl...@comcast.net



I just love these.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/1033154745.html

Dave Liddell
'77 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please

2009-02-18 Thread Jim Cathey

When did they start driving on the left hand side in Sweden?


Of the road?  From the beginning.  Of the car?  70's sometime.
There was a lot of legislative wrangling about the issue, so
finally the King just decreed the day and that was that.  The
accident rate went down afterwards, too.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please

2009-02-18 Thread Rich Thomas
It was a staged implementation.  First, all trucks and buses switched to 
see how it would work out.  Then cars.


--R

Wilton Strickland wrote:

Sweden switched to driving on the right sometime, in the '70's, didn't they?

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please


  

A turbo electric car, woooh.  Wonder how you tune an electric car?
When did they start driving on the left hand side in Sweden?   Another


well
  

traveled seller I guess.  hee hee.

Ed
300E

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[MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic

2009-02-18 Thread Wilton Strickland
So, Sweden switched from left hand traffic (LHT) to right had traffic (RHT)
in 1967, but even with LHT, many (maybe most) cars were driven from the
eft  - left hand drive (LHD).  Most drivers, then, were already positioned
on the left side of the car for better/safer operation in RHT.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please

2009-02-18 Thread Wilton Strickland
You mean they had mixed LHT and RHT for a while???  'Sounds
interesting and dangerous.  ;

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:21 PM
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 It was a staged implementation.  First, all trucks and buses switched to
 see how it would work out.  Then cars.

 --R

 Wilton Strickland wrote:
  Sweden switched to driving on the right sometime, in the '70's, didn't
they?
 
  Wilton
 
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  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please
 
 
 
  A turbo electric car, woooh.  Wonder how you tune an electric car?
  When did they start driving on the left hand side in Sweden?   Another
 
  well
 
  traveled seller I guess.  hee hee.
 
  Ed
  300E
 
  2009/2/18 dbl...@comcast.net
 
 
  I just love these.
 
  http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/1033154745.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] Serious injuries only please/Swedish traffic

2009-02-18 Thread ernest breakfield
that's the way it works in the US Virgin Islands now; Amerikun-style 
cars driven on the left side of the road.



cheers!
e
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Wilton Strickland wrote:

So, Sweden switched from left hand traffic (LHT) to right had traffic (RHT)
in 1967, but even with LHT, many (maybe most) cars were driven from the
eft  - left hand drive (LHD).  Most drivers, then, were already positioned
on the left side of the car for better/safer operation in RHT.

Wilton


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