Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-30 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that Peter wrote: > Diesels use very little fuel except when accelerating since heating air at > high compression ratios yeilds plenty of pressure to spin the engine (and > hence the need for a governor -- engine runs away at constant fuel addition > above what is required for idle,

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-30 Thread BenzBarn
Yup, that's theory alight...

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-30 Thread Peter Frederick
Diesels use very little fuel except when accelerating since heating air at high compression ratios yeilds plenty of pressure to spin the engine (and hence the need for a governor -- engine runs away at constant fuel addition above what is required for idle, What happens, I think, at low load is th

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-30 Thread JJJ
sombitch don, you blew it! Don & Teresa Merriman wrote: Not nessasarly true about blowing up. MY 1982 380SEL 487,000 miles on the orginal tranny. Filter always changed at roughly 50-60,000 miles. Don Mercedes requires that the filter be changed at least every 30kmi! Marshall -- Marshall Boo

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-30 Thread Marshall Booth
Don & Teresa Merriman wrote: Not nessasarly true about blowing up. MY 1982 380SEL 487,000 miles on the orginal tranny. Filter always changed at roughly 50-60,000 miles. Don Mercedes requires that the filter be changed at least every 30kmi! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't res

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Christopher McCann
My experience...mostly following Marshall's advice: I bought a 300SD last September that had been driven with a light foot for 19 years. Had 188K when I bought it. Now has 206K. Mostly highway miles. Diesel Purged a couple times, drove/drive it hard/italian tune ups on the open road. First valve a

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread JJJ
that tranny still workin'?...maybe it likes the warm weather

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Mitch Haley
B Dike wrote: > > Mitch, > > The gas engine may well be more efficient at full > throttle, but that efficiency is offset to some degree > by compression stroke power loss which increases as > intake vacuum decreases. N! Vacuum is the enemy of efficiency. On a gas engine with constant compre

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread BenzBarn
It's probably not true though unless there's actual slippage when the trans shifts. Shift quality is a mechanical process relating to vacuum on the modulator valve and RPM. Firm shifting is required under WOT or the trans would burn up over time. Soft shifts are normal under light throttle or when

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread kevin kraly
I thought Diesel Purge could clear up the carbon buildup? It can clean up injector nozzles pretty well, but I'm not sure about carbon that's built up over time. Marshall once said that it could take thousands of miles of hard driving and long highway runs to clean up an engine in a car drive

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread kevin kraly
I'm convinced accellerating hard is actually easier on the tranny in my 300D Turbo. When I accellerate moderately, it tends to flare or hang during shifts. When I accellerate hard, it shifts firmly and crisply. David, This is my theory as well. Less slippage should mean longer life as does le

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Don & Teresa Merriman
Not nessasarly true about blowing up. MY 1982 380SEL 487,000 miles on the orginal tranny. Filter always changed at roughly 50-60,000 miles. Don On 6/29/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > David Johnson wrote: > > What does running hard like this mean to the > > transmission? Would

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread B Dike
Mitch, The gas engine may well be more efficient at full throttle, but that efficiency is offset to some degree by compression stroke power loss which increases as intake vacuum decreases. I am theorizing that the diesel efficiency curve is steeper than the gasser curve. Bruce --- Mitch Haley

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread redghost
Manual shifter in Gump, so first gear is going to toast before anything else. Old car, going to need a tranny rebuild some day On Tuesday, June 28, 2005, at 11:31 PM, kevin kraly wrote: What does running hard like this mean to the transmission? Would that wear down the transmission faster?

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Henry Kolesnik
Here I going again, jumping to conclusions. Got quit that. Hank - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice hey hank...interesting

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread jjayj
- Original Message - > From: "JJJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice > > > > when i drove my '86 300sdl to mexico

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
you can make your own pretty easy, lots of folks have. David Brodbeck wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you need to get yours adjusted properly. Quite possibly. It shifts fine at light throttle and full throttle. Not so hot in between. I don't have the special gold-plated gauge to measur

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread David Brodbeck
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you need to get yours adjusted properly. Quite possibly. It shifts fine at light throttle and full throttle. Not so hot in between. I don't have the special gold-plated gauge to measure the internal trans pressure, though, so I'm afraid to monkey with it.

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
you need to get yours adjusted properly. David Brodbeck wrote: David Johnson wrote: What does running hard like this mean to the transmission? Would that wear down the transmission faster? If that's the case, I'd rather run the engine at lower efficiency than having to shell out 2K for a ne

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
a crisp shifting tranny will last much longer than a soft shifting one. kevin kraly wrote: What does running hard like this mean to the transmission? Would that wear down the transmission faster? That's hard to say. Generally, everything wears faster when the car is pushed harder, but drivi

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Anyone care to jump in on this one? Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon Kevin and all. About my experience of running hard and transmission wear: For 5-6 years, I autocrossed w/my '80 300SD in the GWS series in the DC area. The series runs for 8 months, once a month. That's over 40 times out, eac

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Henry Kolesnik
mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice when i drove my '86 300sdl to mexico last year (7000 miles), i mostly watched the mileage...if i went 75 or below, i might get 27-8mpg...around 85mph, i might get 25mpg

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread David Brodbeck
David Johnson wrote: What does running hard like this mean to the transmission? Would that wear down the transmission faster? If that's the case, I'd rather run the engine at lower efficiency than having to shell out 2K for a new trannny. I'm convinced accellerating hard is actually easier on

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread David Johnson
--- kevin kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > pushed harder, but driving at low RPM builds up > carbon which can kill an > engine over time. I thought Diesel Purge could clear up the carbon buildup? David Yahoo! Sports Rek

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Desert Rat
I've always believed that the life of a tranny is directly proportional to the number of times it "shifts". IOW, a car driven for long periods of time on the highway will have a longer life transmission than one in constant stop and go situations. John On 6/28/05, kevin kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread kevin kraly
What does running hard like this mean to the transmission? Would that wear down the transmission faster? That's hard to say. Generally, everything wears faster when the car is pushed harder, but driving at low RPM builds up carbon which can kill an engine over time. The tranny usually shifts

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread David Johnson
--- kevin kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My experience is that my cars tend to run better > when they're driven hard. What does running hard like this mean to the transmission? Would that wear down the transmission faster? If that's the case, I'd rather run the engine at lower efficiency tha

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread redghost
Bruce, Using Gump as trial platform (72 115), I find the hard driving to be best for her. When I got her about 16 months ago, she had sat for a long while and been driven with care by a musician. I suspect he did not really take her out and use her, just puttered along. Throttle was set lo

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread Marshall Booth
B Dike wrote: So Dieselers, With many of you folks advocating that our diesels must be driven *hard*, I decided to look into it a little. I theorized that diesels differ from gas motors in that the power loss (per stroke) from compressing the intake air is relatively constant over throttle sett

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-29 Thread JJJ
when i drove my '86 300sdl to mexico last year (7000 miles), i mostly watched the mileage...if i went 75 or below, i might get 27-8mpg...around 85mph, i might get 25mpg...when we cruised at 105 for two hours at a time on the new toll roads (and in utah), i got 19mpg... the car gets about 25mpg

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-28 Thread kevin kraly
My experience is that my cars tend to run better when they're driven hard. When I first picked my 300CD up down in Southern California, it was sluggish, but once it was floored up the grapevine, it ran better, and during the rest of the trip running 75-80MPH, it got nearly 30MPG. When it's dri

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-28 Thread Mitch Haley
B Dike wrote: > On the other hand, a > gasser has much less compression, and compression > power loss is proportional with throttle setting due > to their intake air butterfly. Backwards. Sucking a vacuum in the intake causes loss in efficiency. Your gasser will see maximum horsepower-hour/btu o

Re: [MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-28 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone else have any data to validate the 'drive it > hard' theory? Only that every old-time Mercedes mechanic I have spoken to (and all the old timers here are either German or Czech) says that the diesels breathe better when driven hard. mac

[MBZ] Theory vs Practice

2005-06-28 Thread B Dike
So Dieselers, With many of you folks advocating that our diesels must be driven *hard*, I decided to look into it a little. I theorized that diesels differ from gas motors in that the power loss (per stroke) from compressing the intake air is relatively constant over throttle setting. In other w