Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-10-01 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 09:08:56 -0700 David Bruckmann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> FWIW, when I last ordered front pads for my '79 300SD
> (WDB11612012010864) with Bendix calipers, Tom Hanson of the Classic
> Centre gave me 001-420-78-20 ($42 before discount) as the correct
> number, and they did fit (tight!).

Was Tom Hanson able to tell what changed in various years?

Is there anyone there now who can?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-10-01 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
FWIW, when I last ordered front pads for my '79 300SD (WDB11612012010864) with
Bendix calipers, Tom Hanson of the Classic Centre gave me 001-420-78-20
($42 before discount) as the correct number, and they did fit (tight!).

D.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, Allan and Craig wrote:

>
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:22:17 -0500 "Allan Streib" 
> wrote:
>
> > I had the same problem with my '79 300SD when I replaced the front
> > calipers. I ended up filing part of the caliper body for clearance. I
> > actually now don't remember if the pads didn't fit, or maybe it was the
> > caliper that didn't quite fit the bracket without bumping into
> > something.
> >
> > I think different calipers could be used, almost randomly, mainly ATE
> > or Girling, not sure if there were others. You need to look at what you
> > have and order the same type. I didn't do that.
>
> I think the 1980 also
> The service manual in Section 42-220 says,
>
> Attention!
> Models 116.024, 116.033, and 116.120  (USA)  1980
> are provided with modified calipers with linings 17.5 mm
> thick and modified, vented break disks, which are
> identified with a groove at their circumference.
>
> So I know something's up with the 1980 300SD. I think the 1980 versions
> also used Bendix.
>
> I called the Classic Center, but the fellow could only tell me part
> numbers and not what changed.
>
> In looking at the pictures of calipers on RockAuto's website, I see some
> calipers which have a raised boss which would move the caliper inboard a
> little (which is where my pads don't fit).
>
> I am thinking someone changed the calipers on my 300SD and used the ones
> for 1978 or 1979 instead of 1980.
>
> So, I may have to add new calipers to my on-hand new disks and pads.
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-10-01 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Believe it or not, the spindle nut covers for the wiper arms are optional. I 
can get you a part number, they’re still available for a couple of bucks apiece.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 8:05 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> Changed oil in the E500 today. Used the HF oil sucker. Sure wish I'd bought 
> one of those a long time ago. I presume the filters are packaged for multiple 
> applications and it's normal to have an extra O-ring in the package.
> 
> Also installed new wiper blades. Couldn't figure out the passenger side very 
> well, could not fully raise that wiper arm with the hood open or closed. 
> Ended up bending the blade to get it under the back edge of the hood with the 
> hood in the full vertical position. Seems no worse for it, but thinking 
> that's not the right way.
> 
> I noticed there's no cover on the driver side wiper spindle nut. Should there 
> be?
> 
> Tomorrow I plan to replace the serpentine belt idler wheel which has gotten 
> noisy, and maybe the motor mounts if I get ambitious.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, at 18:54, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Busy at mum-in-law’s place through midday doing some work around her 
>> place. Got back after swinging by MB of Tampa and picking up a few 
>> parts.
>> 
>> One was a new set of LEDs for the right taillight brake light. Most of 
>> the lamps are incandescent, but the brake lights at the top of the lens 
>> are three panels of LEDs that are daisy-chained together.
>> 
>> So no more griping about a bad brake light. Tomorrow I’m swapping out 
>> the left front SAM to see if that makes the ABS happy again.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-10-01 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

On 2023-09-30 22:49, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

I am thinking someone changed the calipers on my 300SD and used the 
ones

for 1978 or 1979 instead of 1980.


I'd been thinking that maybe your car no longer had the correct 
calipers, but I think I forgot to say it.


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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-09-30 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:22:17 -0500 "Allan Streib" 
wrote:

> I had the same problem with my '79 300SD when I replaced the front
> calipers. I ended up filing part of the caliper body for clearance. I
> actually now don't remember if the pads didn't fit, or maybe it was the
> caliper that didn't quite fit the bracket without bumping into
> something.
> 
> I think different calipers could be used, almost randomly, mainly ATE
> or Girling, not sure if there were others. You need to look at what you
> have and order the same type. I didn't do that.

I think the 1980 also
The service manual in Section 42-220 says,

Attention!
Models 116.024, 116.033, and 116.120  (USA)  1980
are provided with modified calipers with linings 17.5 mm
thick and modified, vented break disks, which are
identified with a groove at their circumference.

So I know something's up with the 1980 300SD. I think the 1980 versions
also used Bendix.

I called the Classic Center, but the fellow could only tell me part
numbers and not what changed.

In looking at the pictures of calipers on RockAuto's website, I see some
calipers which have a raised boss which would move the caliper inboard a
little (which is where my pads don't fit).

I am thinking someone changed the calipers on my 300SD and used the ones
for 1978 or 1979 instead of 1980.

So, I may have to add new calipers to my on-hand new disks and pads.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-09-30 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I had the same problem with my '79 300SD when I replaced the front calipers. I 
ended up filing part of the caliper body for clearance. I actually now don't 
remember if the pads didn't fit, or maybe it was the caliper that didn't quite 
fit the bracket without bumping into something.

I think different calipers could be used, almost randomly, mainly ATE or 
Girling, not sure if there were others. You need to look at what you have and 
order the same type. I didn't do that.



On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, at 21:08, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:54:13 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>> I actually won't be doing the belt idler tomorrow, because the part
>> that's actually noisy is the belt tensioner and I mistakenly ordered
>> the idler pulley. Grumble.
>
> I have done similar. Right now I am fighting front brake pads for my 300SD
> which don't fit in the calipers.
>
>
>> The belt itself looks OK but thinking since I need to make another
>> order anyway, maybe just replace it and throw the old one in the trunk
>> as an emergency spare?
>
> That sounds like a good idea.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-09-30 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 20:54:13 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I actually won't be doing the belt idler tomorrow, because the part
> that's actually noisy is the belt tensioner and I mistakenly ordered
> the idler pulley. Grumble.

I have done similar. Right now I am fighting front brake pads for my 300SD
which don't fit in the calipers.


> The belt itself looks OK but thinking since I need to make another
> order anyway, maybe just replace it and throw the old one in the trunk
> as an emergency spare?

That sounds like a good idea.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-09-30 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I actually won't be doing the belt idler tomorrow, because the part that's 
actually noisy is the belt tensioner and I mistakenly ordered the idler pulley. 
Grumble.

The belt itself looks OK but thinking since I need to make another order 
anyway, maybe just replace it and throw the old one in the trunk as an 
emergency spare?


On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, at 19:19, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Those spindle nut covers snap on don’t always hold well. A new one from 
> a stealer is likely pretty cheap 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Sep 30, 2023, at 8:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Changed oil in the E500 today. Used the HF oil sucker. Sure wish I'd bought 
>> one of those a long time ago. I presume the filters are packaged for 
>> multiple applications and it's normal to have an extra O-ring in the package.
>> 
>> Also installed new wiper blades. Couldn't figure out the passenger side very 
>> well, could not fully raise that wiper arm with the hood open or closed. 
>> Ended up bending the blade to get it under the back edge of the hood with 
>> the hood in the full vertical position. Seems no worse for it, but thinking 
>> that's not the right way.
>> 
>> I noticed there's no cover on the driver side wiper spindle nut. Should 
>> there be?
>> 
>> Tomorrow I plan to replace the serpentine belt idler wheel which has gotten 
>> noisy, and maybe the motor mounts if I get ambitious.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, at 18:54, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Busy at mum-in-law’s place through midday doing some work around her 
>>> place. Got back after swinging by MB of Tampa and picking up a few 
>>> parts.
>>> 
>>> One was a new set of LEDs for the right taillight brake light. Most of 
>>> the lamps are incandescent, but the brake lights at the top of the lens 
>>> are three panels of LEDs that are daisy-chained together.
>>> 
>>> So no more griping about a bad brake light. Tomorrow I’m swapping out 
>>> the left front SAM to see if that makes the ABS happy again.
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-09-30 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Those spindle nut covers snap on don’t always hold well. A new one from a 
stealer is likely pretty cheap 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 8:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Changed oil in the E500 today. Used the HF oil sucker. Sure wish I'd bought 
> one of those a long time ago. I presume the filters are packaged for multiple 
> applications and it's normal to have an extra O-ring in the package.
> 
> Also installed new wiper blades. Couldn't figure out the passenger side very 
> well, could not fully raise that wiper arm with the hood open or closed. 
> Ended up bending the blade to get it under the back edge of the hood with the 
> hood in the full vertical position. Seems no worse for it, but thinking 
> that's not the right way.
> 
> I noticed there's no cover on the driver side wiper spindle nut. Should there 
> be?
> 
> Tomorrow I plan to replace the serpentine belt idler wheel which has gotten 
> noisy, and maybe the motor mounts if I get ambitious.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, at 18:54, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Busy at mum-in-law’s place through midday doing some work around her 
>> place. Got back after swinging by MB of Tampa and picking up a few 
>> parts.
>> 
>> One was a new set of LEDs for the right taillight brake light. Most of 
>> the lamps are incandescent, but the brake lights at the top of the lens 
>> are three panels of LEDs that are daisy-chained together.
>> 
>> So no more griping about a bad brake light. Tomorrow I’m swapping out 
>> the left front SAM to see if that makes the ABS happy again.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-09-30 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Changed oil in the E500 today. Used the HF oil sucker. Sure wish I'd bought one 
of those a long time ago. I presume the filters are packaged for multiple 
applications and it's normal to have an extra O-ring in the package.

Also installed new wiper blades. Couldn't figure out the passenger side very 
well, could not fully raise that wiper arm with the hood open or closed. Ended 
up bending the blade to get it under the back edge of the hood with the hood in 
the full vertical position. Seems no worse for it, but thinking that's not the 
right way.

I noticed there's no cover on the driver side wiper spindle nut. Should there 
be?

Tomorrow I plan to replace the serpentine belt idler wheel which has gotten 
noisy, and maybe the motor mounts if I get ambitious.



On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, at 18:54, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Busy at mum-in-law’s place through midday doing some work around her 
> place. Got back after swinging by MB of Tampa and picking up a few 
> parts.
>
> One was a new set of LEDs for the right taillight brake light. Most of 
> the lamps are incandescent, but the brake lights at the top of the lens 
> are three panels of LEDs that are daisy-chained together.
>
> So no more griping about a bad brake light. Tomorrow I’m swapping out 
> the left front SAM to see if that makes the ABS happy again.
>
> -D
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[MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

2023-09-30 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Busy at mum-in-law’s place through midday doing some work around her place. Got 
back after swinging by MB of Tampa and picking up a few parts.

One was a new set of LEDs for the right taillight brake light. Most of the 
lamps are incandescent, but the brake lights at the top of the lens are three 
panels of LEDs that are daisy-chained together.

So no more griping about a bad brake light. Tomorrow I’m swapping out the left 
front SAM to see if that makes the ABS happy again.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Today's project

2015-06-01 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Craig,

No opinion on brand, but seller-wise, have you checked the price at MB 
Northlake?  Lately they've been beating the Classic Center MBCA discount prices.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 31, 2015 9:27:12 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:


The flasher module has Mercedes part number 000 821 09 63.

I have found it at:

   - autohausAZ
   - Pelican Parts
   - Amazon
   - RMeuropean

I have the choice of manufacturers:

   - Kaehler (KAE) [autohausAZ and RMeuropean]
   - Wehrle [Pelican Parts, which says Wehrle is better than KAE]

Anyone have any opinions on manufacturer or vendor?


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Today's project

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I have boxes-ful of W123 electrical gizmos.  If someone just asks I might
look for what you need.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Craig,

 No opinion on brand, but seller-wise, have you checked the price at MB
 Northlake?  Lately they've been beating the Classic Center MBCA discount
 prices.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

 On May 31, 2015 9:27:12 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

 
 The flasher module has Mercedes part number 000 821 09 63.
 
 I have found it at:
 
- autohausAZ
- Pelican Parts
- Amazon
- RMeuropean
 
 I have the choice of manufacturers:
 
- Kaehler (KAE) [autohausAZ and RMeuropean]
- Wehrle [Pelican Parts, which says Wehrle is better than KAE]
 
 Anyone have any opinions on manufacturer or vendor?
 
 
 Craig
 


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Re: [MBZ] Today's project

2015-06-01 Thread Ben Bichon via Mercedes
try grounding each corner
we had a Ford that had issues
I put a new and extra ground on each corner of the car from body to the
ground on each lamp
no more issues but a bit quick and dirty.
On May 30, 2015 2:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My driving to and from Albuquerque for class this summer has been
 complicated by turn signals not working when it is hot (they have
 worked just fine first thing in the morning when it is cool).

 I took the console apart, took out the flasher (which is electronic) and
 put Deoxit D100 contact cleaner on its socket pins and reinstalled.

 I then took the emergency flasher switch in the house and, with it mostly
 inside a Zip-Loc bag, disassembled it. It was dirty inside. I cleaned it
 up, put on Deoxit D100, reassembled it, and took it back to the car.

 The turn signals and emergency flasher functions seem more solid, but
 the real test will be when it's hot. I am going grocery shopping this
 afternoon (Shirley is unable since she fell and fractured her pelvis a
 month ago), so I should have a good test.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's project

2015-05-31 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

The emergency flashers worked for awhile and then quit, too.


You replace the fuse lately?  A bit of deoxit on the fuse
contacts isn't a bad idea.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Today's project

2015-05-31 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 31 May 2015 10:26:08 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  The emergency flashers worked for awhile and then quit, too.
 
 You replace the fuse lately?  A bit of deoxit on the fuse
 contacts isn't a bad idea.

I took this hint and found the fuse was good and the other things on the
same circuit (#1), the right-side tail and parking lights, worked just
fine. So I ran the emergency flashers until they quit and then
disassembled the console and pulled the cover off the flasher module. It
has a couple of transistors, a diode, a few resistors, and a relay. The
relay coil was hot enough to burn myself on.

One time, I saw a small wisp of smoke, but not enough to locate the
source. After turning it off and waiting a while, when I turned it back
on the relay operated normally. I never saw any more smoke.

When the relay would stop operating, I could press on the armature to
close the Normally Open contacts and the appropriate lights would come
on, so it's not a problem of dirty switch contacts or wiring problems.

I suspect that the resistance of the coil goes up enough when it's hot
that there isn't enough current flowing to pull the armature in.

The flasher module has Mercedes part number 000 821 09 63.

I have found it at:

- autohausAZ
- Pelican Parts
- Amazon
- RMeuropean

I have the choice of manufacturers:

- Kaehler (KAE) [autohausAZ and RMeuropean]
- Wehrle [Pelican Parts, which says Wehrle is better than KAE]

Anyone have any opinions on manufacturer or vendor?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Today's project

2015-05-30 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Hope it holds.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Today's project



My driving to and from Albuquerque for class this summer has been
complicated by turn signals not working when it is hot (they have
worked just fine first thing in the morning when it is cool).

I took the console apart, took out the flasher (which is electronic) and
put Deoxit D100 contact cleaner on its socket pins and reinstalled.

I then took the emergency flasher switch in the house and, with it mostly
inside a Zip-Loc bag, disassembled it. It was dirty inside. I cleaned it
up, put on Deoxit D100, reassembled it, and took it back to the car.

The turn signals and emergency flasher functions seem more solid, but
the real test will be when it's hot. I am going grocery shopping this
afternoon (Shirley is unable since she fell and fractured her pelvis a
month ago), so I should have a good test.

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[MBZ] Today's project

2015-05-30 Thread Craig via Mercedes
My driving to and from Albuquerque for class this summer has been
complicated by turn signals not working when it is hot (they have
worked just fine first thing in the morning when it is cool).

I took the console apart, took out the flasher (which is electronic) and
put Deoxit D100 contact cleaner on its socket pins and reinstalled.

I then took the emergency flasher switch in the house and, with it mostly
inside a Zip-Loc bag, disassembled it. It was dirty inside. I cleaned it
up, put on Deoxit D100, reassembled it, and took it back to the car.

The turn signals and emergency flasher functions seem more solid, but
the real test will be when it's hot. I am going grocery shopping this
afternoon (Shirley is unable since she fell and fractured her pelvis a
month ago), so I should have a good test.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's project

2015-05-30 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Sorry, it does not sounds like Shirley is having a run of good luck. Is
this incident #3 ???

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

  (Shirley is unable since she fell and fractured her pelvis a
 month ago)




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Re: [MBZ] Today's project

2015-05-30 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 30 May 2015 16:13:06 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 'Hope it holds.

Well, unfortunately, it did not.

Shirley wanted to go, so I got her and her wheelchair in the car and took
off for Smith's grocery at St. Michael's and Pacheco. It worked fine all
the way there and most of the way back. We stopped at the mailboxes,
picked up mail and drove ahead the short distance to our street. I put on
the turn signal and nothing ...

The emergency flashers worked for awhile and then quit, too.

Now I need to study for my class. Maybe next Saturday, maybe before.


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