Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
> Mitch wrote: > Maybe Kaleb is right to want to get Spencer off free VPN. > > https://www.cnet.com/how-to/best-free-vpns-5-reasons-why-they-dont-exist/ Absolutely!! https://restoreprivacy.com/free-vpn/ https://restoreprivacy.com/no-logs-vpn/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
> > > Mitch wrote: > > > Question about buying a VPN subscription: What's to prevent > > > multiple people from sharing a multiple device VPN account > > > and thereby drastically lowering the per user VPN fee? > > Dan wrote: > > Private Internet Access might allow that, I think the > > subscription covers everyone in a household. > > > > I use them because they don't keep logs. > Mitch wrote: > Not keeping logs is the whole point of VPN, isn't it? VPN in general? No. This particular application of VPN? YES! > I would assume that when you're running the VPN's client > software on a device, the VPN doesn't care if that device is in > your household or not, just that there are no more devices on > your VPN account at any particular time than you're allowed to > have. Maybe. What I was reading showed I could have the VPN from my router so all the traffic from my LAN could be through the VPN. That is one device with VPN, but any number of devices on the LAN. But it is also only one VPN link opened. That could easily be worked around if a tunnel, or VPN was setup between my house and your house. Then my internet traffic could be set to go into your house, then out through the privacy/anonymous VPN service we are sharing the cost of. My outbound traffic would show up for you as both download (my house to your house) and upload (your house to internet). The reverse for my downloads - they would all pass through both your download and upload. Anybody with Gbi fiber who wants to share? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
Maybe Kaleb is right to want to get Spencer off free VPN. https://www.cnet.com/how-to/best-free-vpns-5-reasons-why-they-dont-exist/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
For your ISP, yes. However, the VPN provider can log your traffic (and many do), so if there’s an issue Johnny Law could subpoena the VPN provider’s logs to see what you were connecting to. Your ISP sees the VPN session and can see your ingress point, the VPN provider’s IP address, that is. I use a VPN primarily to give my ISP the finger over seeing my traffic and selling the data. Between that and using tools like Ghostery and adblockers I rarely get stuff related to my Internet wanderings. I also use DuckDuckGo for my searches. -D > On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Sun, July 12, 2020 10:12 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> Private Internet Access might allow that, I think the subscription covers >> everyone in a household. >> >> I use them because they don't keep logs. > > Not keeping logs is the whole point of VPN, isn't it? > > I would assume that when you're running the VPN's client software on a > device, the VPN doesn't care if that device is in your household or not, > just that there are no more devices on your VPN account at any particular > time than you're allowed to have. > > Like when we had a 3 device Netflix subscription, she could be in the > bedroom Chromecasting the TV from her phone, I could be in the living room > running the TV, and her dad could be in a truck stop in Texas watching his > phone, and only two of those devices were running on my household's ISP. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
On Sun, July 12, 2020 10:12 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Private Internet Access might allow that, I think the subscription covers > everyone in a household. > > I use them because they don't keep logs. Not keeping logs is the whole point of VPN, isn't it? I would assume that when you're running the VPN's client software on a device, the VPN doesn't care if that device is in your household or not, just that there are no more devices on your VPN account at any particular time than you're allowed to have. Like when we had a 3 device Netflix subscription, she could be in the bedroom Chromecasting the TV from her phone, I could be in the living room running the TV, and her dad could be in a truck stop in Texas watching his phone, and only two of those devices were running on my household's ISP. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
Private Internet Access might allow that, I think the subscription covers everyone in a household. I use them because they don’t keep logs. -D > On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Question about buying a VPN subscription: > What's to prevent multiple people from sharing a multiple device VPN > account and thereby drastically lowering the per user VPN fee? > > In an extreme example, ten people who only use one device at a time could > band together and buy a super premium $300 service for $30/yr per user. > > Anybody with extra users want to sell me a fraction of their VPN for a > fraction of their fee? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
Question about buying a VPN subscription: What's to prevent multiple people from sharing a multiple device VPN account and thereby drastically lowering the per user VPN fee? In an extreme example, ten people who only use one device at a time could band together and buy a super premium $300 service for $30/yr per user. Anybody with extra users want to sell me a fraction of their VPN for a fraction of their fee? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
> > Scott wrote: > > What about TOR? > Mitch wrote: > > TorGuard? Nop. TOR (The Onion Router) is in no way related to TorGuard VPN. The "Tor" in TorGuard apparently reference "Torrent". TOR isn't a VPN, though is some ways it is similar. It is no cost, open source, de-centralized privacy network. No promises about fast, completely uncertain where your packets will exit into the clear internet. This means in won't necessarily help if someone wants to use Tic Tok (hacker pipeline to chi co m) on a network where it is blocked. It might, but no certainty like is possible with a VPN. As others have said, rarely is anything really free (no cost). If not money, then information, privacy, or something else is how payment is made. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
https://www.torproject.org/ > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Mitch Haley via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:13 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political > > On Sun, July 12, 2020 1:07 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > > What about TOR? > > TorGuard? > > https://www.techradar.com/news/whats-the-truth-about-the-nordvpn- > breach-heres-what-we-now-know > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
On Sun, July 12, 2020 1:07 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > What about TOR? TorGuard? https://www.techradar.com/news/whats-the-truth-about-the-nordvpn-breach-heres-what-we-now-know ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
What about TOR? > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Mitch Haley via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:57 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political > > > > https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-free-vpns > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
VPNs can and do use port 443, it's a common tactic to "blend in" with https traffic. You could try to watch what IP address it's connecting to, and block that. But that can become a game of whack-a-mole because the provider probably has more than one IP address. Allan Dan Penoff via Mercedes writes: > Probably. You just have to know what port they’re using, or just block > everything outside of 80 and 443 and the usual email (25, 465 and 587) ports. > A lot of VPNs use UDP 500. > > VPNs will often use different ports and IP addresses, so it’s really a game > of whack a mole. If you know what VPN client or service he’s using it’s a bit > easier, because most will allow you to get a list of their public IPs and > then you can blacklist them. > > Private VPNs make us crazy at work, because we’ll see someone logging in from > Tampa and then five minutes later they’re polling the mail from Las Vegas. > Makes all sorts of alarms go off, so we have instituted a policy of no > private VPN use for connecting to our network. > > -D > >> On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Oh I am well aware of that. Kid insists they are free. I told him to get >> rid of it. No telling what is going on there. Is that something I can >> block with my router? >> >> On 7/11/2020 7:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >>> Someone is paying for it, buddy. VPNs aren’t free that I know of. If they >>> are you’e giving up something for that privilege. >>> >>> -D >>> On Jul 11, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I was talking to the 11 year old today. I asked him what he thought about Trump banning Tic Tok. I have never heard of this but apparently it is something the kids use these days. He says he doesn't care because he has a VPN so he can just say he is in Canada. What the heck does an 11 year old need with a VPN much less ever even hearing of one or how to get one and use it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-free-vpns ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
Nope, he has an old samsung but it is not activated, he just uses it on wifi. I assume he is talking about something with his xbox. Well, heck, maybe it is something with the phone, I dont know. On 7/11/2020 8:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Does he have an iPhone? There's VPN stuff in the settings menu but I've never tried to turn it on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
Does he have an iPhone? There's VPN stuff in the settings menu but I've never tried to turn it on. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
Probably. You just have to know what port they’re using, or just block everything outside of 80 and 443 and the usual email (25, 465 and 587) ports. A lot of VPNs use UDP 500. VPNs will often use different ports and IP addresses, so it’s really a game of whack a mole. If you know what VPN client or service he’s using it’s a bit easier, because most will allow you to get a list of their public IPs and then you can blacklist them. Private VPNs make us crazy at work, because we’ll see someone logging in from Tampa and then five minutes later they’re polling the mail from Las Vegas. Makes all sorts of alarms go off, so we have instituted a policy of no private VPN use for connecting to our network. -D > On Jul 11, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Oh I am well aware of that. Kid insists they are free. I told him to get > rid of it. No telling what is going on there. Is that something I can block > with my router? > > On 7/11/2020 7:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> Someone is paying for it, buddy. VPNs aren’t free that I know of. If they >> are you’e giving up something for that privilege. >> >> -D >> >>> On Jul 11, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I was talking to the 11 year old today. I asked him what he thought about >>> Trump banning Tic Tok. I have never heard of this but apparently it is >>> something the kids use these days. He says he doesn't care because he has >>> a VPN so he can just say he is in Canada. What the heck does an 11 year >>> old need with a VPN much less ever even hearing of one or how to get one >>> and use it. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
Oh I am well aware of that. Kid insists they are free. I told him to get rid of it. No telling what is going on there. Is that something I can block with my router? On 7/11/2020 7:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Someone is paying for it, buddy. VPNs aren’t free that I know of. If they are you’e giving up something for that privilege. -D On Jul 11, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I was talking to the 11 year old today. I asked him what he thought about Trump banning Tic Tok. I have never heard of this but apparently it is something the kids use these days. He says he doesn't care because he has a VPN so he can just say he is in Canada. What the heck does an 11 year old need with a VPN much less ever even hearing of one or how to get one and use it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VPN, not political
Someone is paying for it, buddy. VPNs aren’t free that I know of. If they are you’e giving up something for that privilege. -D > On Jul 11, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was talking to the 11 year old today. I asked him what he thought about > Trump banning Tic Tok. I have never heard of this but apparently it is > something the kids use these days. He says he doesn't care because he has a > VPN so he can just say he is in Canada. What the heck does an 11 year old > need with a VPN much less ever even hearing of one or how to get one and use > it. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] VPN, not political
I was talking to the 11 year old today. I asked him what he thought about Trump banning Tic Tok. I have never heard of this but apparently it is something the kids use these days. He says he doesn't care because he has a VPN so he can just say he is in Canada. What the heck does an 11 year old need with a VPN much less ever even hearing of one or how to get one and use it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
