Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I would think it would cost more to build a safer car. I dont see how it could be the same. Hendrik Fay wrote: So Mercedes cars cost the same to build/develop as a Chinese car? So why do they charge so much money for them? Guess it is all that extra money they have to pay the workers, I

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-21 Thread archer
- Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] And don't forget, the Chinese car is nothing like a Benz, and they cheat terribly on both materials and exchange rate. One of the same quality would be much more expensive, just like high quality Chinese or Japanese

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley
archer wrote: Speaking of Chinese machine tools, I've been getting regular flyers from Smithy machine tools in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Their very nice looking lathes, which also have a vertical mill, must be made in China; considering that their prices range from $1500 to only $3500 for

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-21 Thread Hendrik Fay
Obviously it would cost more to build a current C class than a Hyundai. Both in development cost and cost of components. You can't just look at the actual cost of putting the machine together on an assembly line. The C class is full of near new technology while the Hyundai is a copy of

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-20 Thread R A Bennell
My 68 Chevy has a steering shaft close to 4 feet long and about 3/4 of an inch in diameter. I wouldn't really want it to come poking through the steering wheel and into me. I have to admit that is one reason why I have considered selling it. My wife and one of my sons is opposed as they think it

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-20 Thread Tom Hargrave
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns My 68 Chevy has a steering shaft close to 4 feet long and about 3/4 of an inch in diameter. I wouldn't really

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-20 Thread Peter Frederick
Mercedes patented the crumple zones in the late 40's, was in production in 1953 with the Ponton. Crushable steering columns were installed in the early 60's -- check out any Finny. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-20 Thread Peter Frederick
Mercedes started working on airbags in the early 60s, too (tested in the W108s). Detail work kept them from being installed in cars for quite a while -- something about killing the passengers with the air bags and blowing the windows out Airbags are great. Only good for one shot, though,

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-20 Thread Hendrik Fay
So Mercedes cars cost the same to build/develop as a Chinese car? So why do they charge so much money for them? Guess it is all that extra money they have to pay the workers, I can't wait till they build MB's in China and then we can buy Mercs for under 10K. Peter Frederick wrote: Doesn't

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-20 Thread Bill Ringgold
PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 11/20/07 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns The collapsible steering column was invented by GM in the late 60s and GM gave the patentable technology to the auto industry because they though it was too important to keep

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-20 Thread Peter Frederick
MBs aren't that expensive in Europe, pretty competitive with the upper line Ford and GM products, and they are luxury cars. Weight for weight, though, the only difference is design and assembly. MBUSA used to mark them up 100% -- it was cheaper to take delivery direct from the factory AND

Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns

2007-11-20 Thread Peter Frederick
Yeah, the big pad in the center, the collapsable bowl underneath, and the short steering column connected to the steering box just in front of your feet makes a big difference. If you have a belt on, you will hit it square on, smashing the bowl down about six inches while you only touch the