The American automotive industry is supporting an increasing retiree force
with revenue from decreasing production. And this would be the case
regardless of who is funding retiree health benefits.
Toyota, Honda and the other imports who manufacture in this country would be
facing the exact same
i'm a little confused as to this logic. don't they take money out at any
given point to be paying for future retirees?
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The American automotive industry is supporting an increasing retiree force
with revenue from
22, 2008 11:48 AM
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i'm a little confused as to this logic. don't they take money out at any
given point to be paying for future retirees?
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED
But there is something else you need to consider with nationalized
health
care. Would you want the same organization that runs the most inefficient,
uncaring collection agency in the world (the IRS) managing your health care
plan At least the current health care systems are motivated to save
They don't need a bailout, they need a national pension plan (like
the one torpedoed by the Republicans in 1936) similar to Canada's or
any European company. They work well, and none of them are in the
kind of trouble Social Security is.
A universal system keeps older companies from being
Well, they've been spending that money on other things -- all the
major retirement plans are way behind in set-asides, and most
companies have been cooking the books to make their obligations look
smaller. Keeps the industrial stockholders happy, I suppose.
Doesn't do much for anyone
Someone is always driving -- the matter under consideration is WHO is
in charge of allocating resources. Currently it is the people who
profit the most (insurance companies and hospitals), not the public.
Canada's system works pretty well, although it's not a national
system and some
I don't think anyone wants the federal government to be running the
system -
especially not modeled after the IRS. I believe a 'single payer'
system is
what is proposed by most, and we spend [or did back when I knew about
such
things] about the same amount to figure out who is going to
professionals??
BillR
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I don't think anyone wants
Chrysler made the right decision during their last
negotiation rounds with
the union. They gave the
retiree plan to UAW along with a pile of cash
and
made
the cost the responsibility of UAW. But now union membership will
contribute more to the cost as the long term cost of health care
rather have?
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
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