Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
> Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Not a problem at all. Lots of 'give' space when handheld to soak up the momentum. Easy analogy: have friend throw you baseball, catch in hand. Compare to same throw 'caught' with shoulder. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
According to my paintball playing teenager, frozen paintballs are not only injurious, they could possibly be lethal. The logistics of using a paintball gun with frozen paintballs as a personal protection device is questionable, however. Dan --- Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It gets better, The local porcine patrol has run out > of bullets. > http://tinyurl.com/2uxw6g > > Your local mounties may have to resort to Paint > Balls to subdue > criminals. They can no longer qualify on the AR-15 > or upgrade the > the .45 colt from the little pea shooters. > > Arm yourself with odd caliber rounds and shoot > them criminals > yourself > > clay Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
It gets better, The local porcine patrol has run out of bullets. http://tinyurl.com/2uxw6g Your local mounties may have to resort to Paint Balls to subdue criminals. They can no longer qualify on the AR-15 or upgrade the the .45 colt from the little pea shooters. Arm yourself with odd caliber rounds and shoot them criminals yourself clay On 18 Aug 2007, at 08:44, Gary Hurst wrote: > cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems. this > story if > pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options > available. > why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon? > > cops scare me. they often seem stupid and violent. and at the > end of the > day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter > because > they are afraid. they don't seem to serve very much purpose. > > On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Kevin wrote: >>> If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's >>> behind >> your >>> target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. >> >> Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they >> were required to learn for their jobs. >> >> Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: >> http://newsok.com/article/3098884 >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
In Jackson, MS, a 78 year old man fought and killed an intruder in his house. A TV reporter asked him how it felt to fight someone 1/3 of his age. He said "he wasn't any younger than them bullits". After all, its them fast little things that come out the front of the gun that hurts the most. Harry On 8/18/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Statistics show police hit innocent people 11% of the time they fire their > handgun. Law-Abiding citizens "authourized to possess a gun" (how I hate > that phrase!) hits an innocent person less than 2% of the time. Not a > good > record for the cops. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now > handguns > & the law > > > > cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems. this story if > > pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options > > available. > > why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon? > > > > cops scare me. they often seem stupid and violent. and at the end of > > the > > day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter > > because > > they are afraid. they don't seem to serve very much purpose. > > > > On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Kevin wrote: > >> > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind > >> your > >> > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. > >> > >> Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they > >> were required to learn for their jobs. > >> > >> Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: > >> http://newsok.com/article/3098884 > >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: > 8/17/2007 > > 5:43 PM > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Statistics show police hit innocent people 11% of the time they fire their handgun. Law-Abiding citizens "authourized to possess a gun" (how I hate that phrase!) hits an innocent person less than 2% of the time. Not a good record for the cops. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems. this story if > pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options > available. > why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon? > > cops scare me. they often seem stupid and violent. and at the end of > the > day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter > because > they are afraid. they don't seem to serve very much purpose. > > On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Kevin wrote: >> > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind >> your >> > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. >> >> Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they >> were required to learn for their jobs. >> >> Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: >> http://newsok.com/article/3098884 >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 > 5:43 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Kaleb wrote:<> Everytime Congress gets close to passing some crazy anti-gun law I buy another gun.. Last was a Bushmaster. Excellent rifle. But I gotta stop doing that - running out of space - ;-) Need to find a better place to shoot - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law >I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it. There is a big > gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke. I need to go over > and buy some more guns and ammo. > > Gary Hurst wrote: >> for the most part, that price is high. my AK is about as high quality as >> you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much. >> >> ak-47 is not a model, but a design. you'd need to find out who made his >> and >> whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth >> that >> much money. >> >> > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 > 5:43 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law >I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it. There is a big > gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke. I need to go over > and buy some more guns and ammo. > > Gary Hurst wrote: >> for the most part, that price is high. my AK is about as high quality as >> you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much. >> >> ak-47 is not a model, but a design. you'd need to find out who made his >> and >> whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth >> that >> much money. >> >> > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 > 5:43 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
I will ask him, I really dont know anything about it. There is a big gun show in tulsa this weekend, too bad I am broke. I need to go over and buy some more guns and ammo. Gary Hurst wrote: > for the most part, that price is high. my AK is about as high quality as > you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much. > > ak-47 is not a model, but a design. you'd need to find out who made his and > whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth that > much money. > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
for the most part, that price is high. my AK is about as high quality as you can get and i'm pretty much sure that it isn't worth that much. ak-47 is not a model, but a design. you'd need to find out who made his and whatever other specifics you can find, but very few of them are worth that much money. On 8/18/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think he wants $800 for it, including several hundred rounds of ammo > > Gary Hurst wrote: > > what is it and how much does he want? > > > > On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them > >> desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag. Friend of mine has an ak47 > he > >> wants to sell. Thought about buying that. > >> > >> --- > >> Kaleb C. Striplin > >> Cox Auto Trader > >> 730 PP Supervisor > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now > >> handguns > >> & the law > >> > >> > >>> That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. > A > >>> 45 > >>> ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business > >> shooting > >>> a > >>> magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. > >>> > >>> I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to > shoot > >>> for > >>> fun & to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Tom Hargrave > >>> www.kegkits.com > >>> 256-656-1924 > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
cops are not really that intelligent with guns, it seems. this story if pretty near unbelievable given the number of alternative options available. why not just beat the snake to death with your truncheon? cops scare me. they often seem stupid and violent. and at the end of the day, we learn, they won't come into the building to get the shooter because they are afraid. they don't seem to serve very much purpose. On 8/17/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Kevin wrote: > > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind > your > > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. > > Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they > were required to learn for their jobs. > > Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: > http://newsok.com/article/3098884 > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
I think he wants $800 for it, including several hundred rounds of ammo Gary Hurst wrote: > what is it and how much does he want? > > On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them >> desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag. Friend of mine has an ak47 he >> wants to sell. Thought about buying that. >> >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730 PP Supervisor >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now >> handguns >> & the law >> >> >>> That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A >>> 45 >>> ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business >> shooting >>> a >>> magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. >>> >>> I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot >>> for >>> fun & to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tom Hargrave >>> www.kegkits.com >>> 256-656-1924 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
what is it and how much does he want? On 8/17/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them > desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag. Friend of mine has an ak47 he > wants to sell. Thought about buying that. > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 PP Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now > handguns > & the law > > > > That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A > > 45 > > ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business > shooting > > a > > magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. > > > > I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot > > for > > fun & to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You wrote:<>\\ Perhaps the greatest source of incorrect information about guns is TV and movies - 99% of what they show about guns is wrong to some degree. before she took the CCW course, my wife used to wonder, "why dont they shoot the bad guy in the leg?" once whe tried to hit the 3'x3' paper target from 25' with a handgun, she understood. It's never as easy as it looks on TV. Just *hitting* the bad guy takes some talent. Shooting for an arm or leg is laughable. Now she knows. But millions are just as ill informed. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and > dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on > the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely > tucked > away, but I used that one more than the rifle. I am considering buying > one > now, not for self protection, but sport. I have a few sets of throwing > knives that I enjoy, but am getting to the point that I don't have enough > cool weather for months here to throw them - easy to get out of practice. > I > am thinking about getting a pistol just to see if I could get any > proficiency with it. My son bought a handgun when he was away from home > for > several tours with the USAF and didn't live in an area where he felt his > wife was safe alone. He made sure she was trained on it [she was also > military]. We went to a range and I discovered those things are not so > easy > to shoot accurately as TV shows might suggest. Might be fun to try. With > FL law I could probably carry it, but I wouldn't. It would be locked in a > lockbox until I got to the range. > BillR > Jacksonville FL > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:51 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now > handguns & the law > > At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I > spent > almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found > myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been > carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a > street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me > (I > was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. > > The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors > Island > (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a > half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south > of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked > under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting > "rather exposed" (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience > was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say "f-off" > and > the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a > victim. > > I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all > military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: > trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ > "expert" E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- > and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. > > Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I > guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a > testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing > to > get into a firefight over my lunch break. > > Let us stand for our closing prayer. > > > > On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Tom, >> There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) >> There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. >> >> > > > -- > LT Don > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > Fo
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Yep, and if that doesn't work, then "Bang", and if he's still moving then "Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Click, Click, Click,". Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/18/07 10:25 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom - you wrote:<> - I assume you're going for creating a shocked, surprised, laughing hysterically, burglar who'll fall down from laughing so hard as he runs away? ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" ; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Gary, > > What you are eluding to in the knife verses handgun is reaction time. > It's the same with knives, handguns, Tia Kwon Do and baseball bats. Your > only chance is to get the drop on the bad guy. This is why I've been > noted to creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun. If the shock > don't give me the edge at least my Wife does not have to throw away a > shirt because it has a bullet hole in it. > > Also, I 100% agree with you in regards to civic duty. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 08/16/07 10:54 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List >[SNIP] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom - you wrote:<> - I assume you're going for creating a shocked, surprised, laughing hysterically, burglar who'll fall down from laughing so hard as he runs away? ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" ; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Gary, > > What you are eluding to in the knife verses handgun is reaction time. > It's the same with knives, handguns, Tia Kwon Do and baseball bats. Your > only chance is to get the drop on the bad guy. This is why I've been > noted to creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun. If the shock > don't give me the edge at least my Wife does not have to throw away a > shirt because it has a bullet hole in it. > > Also, I 100% agree with you in regards to civic duty. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 08/16/07 10:54 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List >[SNIP] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excellent post!! ;-) As one CCW holder to another! I wish the anti-gunners would see the logic in your post - but they do not operate on logic - which is obvious when their argument consists of talking about Penis' for the most part. I guess when you cannot debate a subject with logic you resort to name calling. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > an interesting thing about the knife in a gunfight is a study that was > done > regarding the ability of police to respond to a knife wielding perp > charging > them from 21 feet (the distance that is the outside of acceptable shooting > range against a perp not armed with a firearm). who has the advantage? > obviously, it's a trick question. turns out to be a 50/50 proposition. > half the cops could draw and shoot before being stabbed by the charging > knife attacker and half could not. seems the old bowie knife in the right > hands is more dangerous than most of you could imagine. > > CCW holders are not gun yahoos looking for fast draw at high noon. to my > mind, being armed is a matter of accepting responsibility for the safety > of > yourself and others. there will be no columbine or va tech around me. > you > will not rob the store i am shopping in. etc. > here in georgia, we don't have any of this va tech or dc sniper nonsense. > if some nutter takes out a firearm and starts firing at passing cars, > someone just shoots him. go into a diner in rural georgia waving a pistol > and making threats and demands -- your life expectancy would be about 8 > seconds at that moment. > > it is my personal belief that any man who does not carry a gun is > absolutely > shirking his civic responsibilities. the welfare/nanny state and its > supporters obviously have a far different view. > > On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Tom wrote:<> > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid>> >> >> Hi Tom, >> There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) >> There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. >> >> On a more serious note - even though we talk lightly about this stuff, >> non-gun people should understand how incredibly serious we take the >> responsibility of carrying a CW or using a gun to protect ourselves and >> possible hurt or kill someone. It's not something we take lightly. We >> don't look for an opportunity to shoot someone and typically we will back >> down until there's no place to go - or another person is in danger. None >> of >> us is looking for a gunfight or will pull a gun in an argument over a >> parking space. >> >> Don;t want anyone to get the wrong idea. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> . >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:46 AM >> Subject: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns >> & >> the law >> >> >> > Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of >> > manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if >> > you >> > kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, >> > etc.) >> > or >> > if you kill an invader with a handgun & he only had a knife then you >> will >> > be >> > prosecuted & will likely be found guilty. >> > >> > Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the >> > right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an >> > invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's >> > considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was >> > only >> > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but >> still >> > dead. The police
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I'm pretty sure it's an inverse relationship--compensation, if you will. On 8/17/07, John Freer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "where you don't want to deal with overpenetration." > > Freud is rolling over in his grave Laughing his butt off. I always knew > there was a connection between guns and .. > Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"where you don't want to deal with overpenetration." Freud is rolling over in his grave Laughing his butt off. I always knew there was a connection between guns and .. On 8/17/07, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is getting a little OT (unless you don't want to shoot the mercedes > in the garage through the fireproof wall), but a .357 mag revolver can > shoot > a .38 special round, and a .44 mag can shoot a .44 special round. > > In addition, Glaser safety slugs (prefragmented bullets) work well in > revolvers where you don't want to deal with overpenetration. > > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind your > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:33:07AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: > > true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close > to > > another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the > guy, > > out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yea, I almost always just shoot .38 specials in my .357 when target shooting. Its currently loaded up with .357 mag right now as its sitting under my bed. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > This is getting a little OT (unless you don't want to shoot the mercedes > in the garage through the fireproof wall), but a .357 mag revolver can > shoot > a .38 special round, and a .44 mag can shoot a .44 special round. > > In addition, Glaser safety slugs (prefragmented bullets) work well in > revolvers where you don't want to deal with overpenetration. > > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind your > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:33:07AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: >> true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close >> to >> another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the >> guy, >> out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I tell you want I wouldnt mind getting one of these days is one of them desert eagle deals, or even a 44 automag. Friend of mine has an ak47 he wants to sell. Thought about buying that. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A > 45 > ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business shooting > a > magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. > > I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot > for > fun & to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kevin wrote: > If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind your > target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. Especially those who know nothing about gun safety but what they were required to learn for their jobs. Cops trying to shoot snake kill 5 year old boy: http://newsok.com/article/3098884 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292168,00.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's exactly why I chose the 45 ACP because it's a big, slow bullet. A 45 ACP has less penetration than even a 9mm. No-one has any business shooting a magnum anything in a neighborhood, even in self defense. I have a 44 Magnum too - a Ruger Blackhawk. It's a great weapon to shoot for fun & to deer hunt with, but that's just about it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close to another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the guy, out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a >> drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you >> don't >> have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. > > Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. > Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you > only need to aim in the general direction of the target. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is getting a little OT (unless you don't want to shoot the mercedes in the garage through the fireproof wall), but a .357 mag revolver can shoot a .38 special round, and a .44 mag can shoot a .44 special round. In addition, Glaser safety slugs (prefragmented bullets) work well in revolvers where you don't want to deal with overpenetration. If you're going to pull the trigger, make sure you know what's behind your target. It's surprising how this escapes a lot of people. On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 08:33:07AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: > true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close to > another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the guy, > out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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true. If you hit somebody with a .357 or a .44 mag, and you live close to another house, or perhaps in an apartment, it could go right thru the guy, out the house, into the next house and hit somebody else. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a >> drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you >> don't >> have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. > > Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. > Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you > only need to aim in the general direction of the target. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom Hargrave wrote: > > I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an > intruder is entering my bedroom.. I can draw mine without leaving the bed. 6 shot pump, 18.5" barrel. http://www.antipersonnel.net/sdllc/005.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I keep one there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Well, where is your handgun? Do you keep it under the pillow at > night? > > "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an >> intruder is entering my bedroom.. >> > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Its fine. I have had 12 ga shotguns with pistol grips before. You basically just shoot from the hip with it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol > grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. > Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. > Gerry > >> "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop >>> a >>> drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you >>> don't >>> have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. >> >> Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. >> Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you >> only need to aim in the general direction of the target. >> >> Allan >> -- >> 1983 300D >> 1966 230 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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get a 20 gauge. much easier to handle and kills em just as dead. On 8/17/07, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol > grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. > Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. > Gerry > > > "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop > a > >> drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you > >> don't > >> have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. > > > > Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. > > Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you > > only need to aim in the general direction of the target. > > > > Allan > > -- > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You only need to pull the trigger once & he'll hurt more than you will. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Gerry > "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a >> drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you >> don't >> have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. > > Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. > Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you > only need to aim in the general direction of the target. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope, I keep one safely hidden in my bedroom and it's not in a traditional hiding place. I can reach it less than a minute but I need to get out of bed to do so. I have no interest in waking up, looking up at the muzzle of my own 45ACP. The rest are locked in a gun case that's securely bolted to a slab foundation. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law Well, where is your handgun? Do you keep it under the pillow at night? "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an > intruder is entering my bedroom.. > -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Retired Long Island detective told me a 12 gauge automatic with a pistol grip and a short barrel was the best self defense weapon at close range. Considering the way a 12 ga. kicks, I wonder about that pistol grip. Gerry > "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a >> drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you >> don't >> have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. > > Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. > Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you > only need to aim in the general direction of the target. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, where is your handgun? Do you keep it under the pillow at night? "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an > intruder is entering my bedroom.. > -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can see myself trying to drag a shotgun out from under the bed as an intruder is entering my bedroom.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a > drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you don't > have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a > drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you don't > have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. Which is why a shotgun is often touted as a good home defense weapon. Won't go through the wall and kill a neighbor if you miss, and you only need to aim in the general direction of the target. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A loaded handgun can sit on a kitchen table for 20 years, perfectly safe. But an untrained individual can pick it up, point it at someone & "bang" he'd dead. And as outlined in the example above, handguns don't kill people, people kill people. Also, in the example above, the person who pulled the trigger did not kill the other person, the irresponsible handgun owner killed the other person. Handguns are not unsafe, many gun owners are unsafe. If you want to discuss unsafe then lets talk about the number of people killed in auto accidents every year. & while we are at it, compare the number to the number of handgun caused deaths. Look at the numbers & you'll have to agree that we should go after the grossly larger number first - we should ban all cars!! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:06:00 -0400, you wrote: >Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and >dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on >the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely tucked >away, but I used that one more than the rifle. Another testimony that "Safe Guns" are not as such! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Bill, If all you are interested in is sport then you really need to consider a Ruger MKIII. They are wonderful shooting weapons, accurate & reasonably cheap to feed because they shoot 22LR cartridges. http://www.impactguns.com/store/736676101061.html If you have any ideas for home defense then consider a 45ACP from one of several manufactures. The bullet is huge (0.45" diameter) and slow and will stop your intruder. You don't want to kill him, just stop him - RIGHT NOW. And if he dies from the results of his own actions, then. Why not a 9mm that's so popular these days? Because a 9mm will not stop a drug crazed invader unless you hit a vital spot & in home defense, you don't have time to aim. You only have time to point & squeeze. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:06 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely tucked away, but I used that one more than the rifle. I am considering buying one now, not for self protection, but sport. I have a few sets of throwing knives that I enjoy, but am getting to the point that I don't have enough cool weather for months here to throw them - easy to get out of practice. I am thinking about getting a pistol just to see if I could get any proficiency with it. My son bought a handgun when he was away from home for several tours with the USAF and didn't live in an area where he felt his wife was safe alone. He made sure she was trained on it [she was also military]. We went to a range and I discovered those things are not so easy to shoot accurately as TV shows might suggest. Might be fun to try. With FL law I could probably carry it, but I wouldn't. It would be locked in a lockbox until I got to the range. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I spent almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me (I was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors Island (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting "rather exposed" (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say "f-off" and the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a victim. I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ "expert" E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing to get into a firefight over my lunch break. Let us stand for our closing prayer. On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) > There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:06:00 -0400, you wrote: >Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and >dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on >the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely tucked >away, but I used that one more than the rifle. Another testimony that "Safe Guns" are not as such! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Good addition to the discussion. I have never owned a gun, though mom and dad had a 22 rifle and pistol in the house and we had to take training on the rifle when I was a kid [they always thought the pistol was safely tucked away, but I used that one more than the rifle. I am considering buying one now, not for self protection, but sport. I have a few sets of throwing knives that I enjoy, but am getting to the point that I don't have enough cool weather for months here to throw them - easy to get out of practice. I am thinking about getting a pistol just to see if I could get any proficiency with it. My son bought a handgun when he was away from home for several tours with the USAF and didn't live in an area where he felt his wife was safe alone. He made sure she was trained on it [she was also military]. We went to a range and I discovered those things are not so easy to shoot accurately as TV shows might suggest. Might be fun to try. With FL law I could probably carry it, but I wouldn't. It would be locked in a lockbox until I got to the range. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I spent almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me (I was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors Island (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting "rather exposed" (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say "f-off" and the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a victim. I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ "expert" E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing to get into a firefight over my lunch break. Let us stand for our closing prayer. On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) > There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's actually more like 00.001% of the time - your odds aren't very good for needing to protect your family in your home - probably more likely to win the lottery. On 8/16/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 99.9% of the time there is no need for that gun you may have on you or > in your house. Its that other .1% of the time > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Clatta-clatta ... ratta-tat-tat ... see the similarity? On 8/16/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't tell my wife that - she likes handguns too. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 08/16/07 07:23 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now > handguns & the law > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Jeezus Kaleb, why don't you set up a guns/manly-manhood listserv for all > this excess testosterone? > > > Casey > __ > '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel > '94 100CSQ Avant > '90 90Q > '89 Bluestar > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't tell my wife that - she likes handguns too. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/16/07 07:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jeezus Kaleb, why don't you set up a guns/manly-manhood listserv for all this excess testosterone? Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The keg is tapped ... please come single file to the communion rail and honor the Flying Spaghetti Monster's memory. :-) D. On 8/16/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, > > our father who art in gunsmith 50.caliber be thy name, > thy faithful m16 will get it done as will my m79 grenade lauancher, > takin care of busness just like rambo and maybe shwarzenager too, > let us not forget the vietnamiese we should have nuked there asses a > long time ago, > With hell on earth and new guns to come, > peace with bullets and allies > Amen > > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb special, if you are the 1000th visitor at my house you'll get a bullet in the head and a great deal on used Mercedes parts :-D Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > 99.9% of the time there is no need for that gun you may have on you or > in your house. Its that other .1% of the time > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
OK, our father who art in gunsmith 50.caliber be thy name, thy faithful m16 will get it done as will my m79 grenade lauancher, takin care of busness just like rambo and maybe shwarzenager too, let us not forget the vietnamiese we should have nuked there asses a long time ago, With hell on earth and new guns to come, peace with bullets and allies Amen Sorry, could not resist, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/16/07 07:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I spent almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me (I was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors Island (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting "rather exposed" (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say "f-off" and the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a victim. I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ "expert" E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing to get into a firefight over my lunch break. Let us stand for our closing prayer. On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) > There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is why it pays to pay attention to which decock lever you have your finger on. One decocks the pistol, ... On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 07:51:23PM -0500, Wonko the Sane wrote: > Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I > guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a > testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing to > get into a firefight over my lunch break. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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99.9% of the time there is no need for that gun you may have on you or in your house. Its that other .1% of the time Wonko the Sane wrote: > At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I spent > almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found > myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been > carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a > street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me (I > was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. > > The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors Island > (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a > half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south > of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked > under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting > "rather exposed" (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience > was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say "f-off" and > the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a victim. > > I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all > military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: > trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ > "expert" E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- > and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. > > Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I > guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a > testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing to > get into a firefight over my lunch break. > > Let us stand for our closing prayer. > > > > On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) >> There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. >> >> > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
At the risk of being laughed at, I must again repeat my mantra that I spent almost half of my five-plus decades in urban areas and have never found myself in a situation where I'd have drawn a weapon if I'd have been carrying one. Closest I've come to that was when I was being teased by a street mime in NYC. He deserved to be shot not only for making fun of me (I was chewing gum) but because he was a mime. The only time I've armed myself was when I was stationed on Governors Island (NYC). If you arrived for the ferry boat after 11:00 pm, you had to wait a half hour instead of a quarter hour between ferry boats, parked just south of Wall Street. ... I kept a stout piece of oak and a hunting knife tucked under the driver's seat of my MBG, and that was only because I was sitting "rather exposed" (but with pants on) in a small convertible. My experience was that if approached by someone menacing, one had only to say "f-off" and the guy went away. It is only when one shows fear that one becomes a victim. I've shot weapons -- 45 handgun and 9 mm handgun and M-16 (all military-training related). This was done solely as part of my training: trying to hit the middle of the paper and earn a pretty blue ribbon w/ "expert" E on it. I've owned guns -- all inherited, none ever purchased -- and gladly left every one behind when I departed marriage #1. Now, if you feel more secure with a 9 mm tucked into your pants, then I guess that is your right. Personally, I'd be more afraid of shooting a testicle off during a sudden frenzy of scratching than I'd be of needing to get into a firefight over my lunch break. Let us stand for our closing prayer. On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) > There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jeezus Kaleb, why don't you set up a guns/manly-manhood listserv for all this excess testosterone? Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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An alarm system is a great early warning system. The alarm will wake you up so that you have a chance to use your handgun, should the need arise. The best alarm system is one that flashes the light on & off in your bedroom - I designed & installed one of these. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law I have an alarm system. And I'm not going to give in to the bit about worrying about a home intrusion where I live. It is almost unheard of. If I lived in a rural area away from others, I would definitely have a personal firearm or two in the house. It's just not something I feel I would ever need where I am now. Of course, like Texas and Georgia, we can shoot intruders here (Florida) and not be held liable. Dan --- "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what if sombody is breaking in your house and you > need to protect the > family, then what? > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have an alarm system. And I'm not going to give in to the bit about worrying about a home intrusion where I live. It is almost unheard of. If I lived in a rural area away from others, I would definitely have a personal firearm or two in the house. It's just not something I feel I would ever need where I am now. Of course, like Texas and Georgia, we can shoot intruders here (Florida) and not be held liable. Dan --- "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what if sombody is breaking in your house and you > need to protect the > family, then what? > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Bang", and if he's still moving then "Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Click, Click, Click, " Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law what if sombody is breaking in your house and you need to protect the family, then what? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Never had guns in the house, but a requirement for all > of us as kids was to take the NRA gun safety course, > which I thought was a good idea. I had my kids take > it as well. I believe the thinking behind having us > take the class as kids was to make us respect and > understand how to treat a firearm, and also how to be > safe if we had them around. > > I'm not afraid of guns by any means, but I don't hunt > or shoot recreationally, so there is no need to have > one around the ranch. > > Dan > > --- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Larry, >> >> I understand "non gun people". I have several >> friends who ask me to never >> bring handguns out around them or their children >> because handguns terrify >> them. >> >> I even did an experiment once - I placed an unloaded >> 45 ACP on my coffee >> table in anticipation of a friend stopping over. He >> was absolutely terrified >> when he saw the handgun. I even showed that it was >> unloaded & offered to >> hand him the handgun butt first and he backed up in >> terror. >> >> My friend proved to me that at least some of the >> population is afraid of >> handguns themselves. Odd thing is that I've not yet >> heard of a handgun >> killing anyone but I hear of people using handguns >> to kill people all the >> time. >> >> I'm convinced that the gun control battle reaches >> much deeper than most of >> us realize. I believe that most anti-gun activists >> are driven by >> misunderstanding and outright fear. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, I never quite understood that, either. While my Dad only had one gun in his whole life (a .22 revolver) he was a strong believer in education when it came to guns. His attitude was that if you weren't afraid of them you would be far less likely to hurt someone or yourself with one. I shot competition air rifle in high school, and I always had a trigger lock on my rifle when it was not in use. Some of my team members thought I was looney. I still have a vintage Benjamin .22 air pistol in the house, and it's secured and trigger locked. Dan --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > LWB250 wrote: > > > > Never had guns in the house, but a requirement for > all > > of us as kids was to take the NRA gun safety > course, > > which I thought was a good idea. I had my kids > take > > it as well. > > It's far easier to gun proof your kids than it is to > kid > proof the world. But just try to set up a > presentation of > NRA's Eddie Eagle program in the local elementary > school > and watch the idiots go into full auto assault mode. > > (the basic lesson from Eddie Eagle is "don't touch > it, > go find an adult", so I don't know why the leftists > hate > it so) > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
what if sombody is breaking in your house and you need to protect the family, then what? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Never had guns in the house, but a requirement for all > of us as kids was to take the NRA gun safety course, > which I thought was a good idea. I had my kids take > it as well. I believe the thinking behind having us > take the class as kids was to make us respect and > understand how to treat a firearm, and also how to be > safe if we had them around. > > I'm not afraid of guns by any means, but I don't hunt > or shoot recreationally, so there is no need to have > one around the ranch. > > Dan > > --- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Larry, >> >> I understand "non gun people". I have several >> friends who ask me to never >> bring handguns out around them or their children >> because handguns terrify >> them. >> >> I even did an experiment once - I placed an unloaded >> 45 ACP on my coffee >> table in anticipation of a friend stopping over. He >> was absolutely terrified >> when he saw the handgun. I even showed that it was >> unloaded & offered to >> hand him the handgun butt first and he backed up in >> terror. >> >> My friend proved to me that at least some of the >> population is afraid of >> handguns themselves. Odd thing is that I've not yet >> heard of a handgun >> killing anyone but I hear of people using handguns >> to kill people all the >> time. >> >> I'm convinced that the gun control battle reaches >> much deeper than most of >> us realize. I believe that most anti-gun activists >> are driven by >> misunderstanding and outright fear. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LWB250 wrote: > > Never had guns in the house, but a requirement for all > of us as kids was to take the NRA gun safety course, > which I thought was a good idea. I had my kids take > it as well. It's far easier to gun proof your kids than it is to kid proof the world. But just try to set up a presentation of NRA's Eddie Eagle program in the local elementary school and watch the idiots go into full auto assault mode. (the basic lesson from Eddie Eagle is "don't touch it, go find an adult", so I don't know why the leftists hate it so) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Never had guns in the house, but a requirement for all of us as kids was to take the NRA gun safety course, which I thought was a good idea. I had my kids take it as well. I believe the thinking behind having us take the class as kids was to make us respect and understand how to treat a firearm, and also how to be safe if we had them around. I'm not afraid of guns by any means, but I don't hunt or shoot recreationally, so there is no need to have one around the ranch. Dan --- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry, > > I understand "non gun people". I have several > friends who ask me to never > bring handguns out around them or their children > because handguns terrify > them. > > I even did an experiment once - I placed an unloaded > 45 ACP on my coffee > table in anticipation of a friend stopping over. He > was absolutely terrified > when he saw the handgun. I even showed that it was > unloaded & offered to > hand him the handgun butt first and he backed up in > terror. > > My friend proved to me that at least some of the > population is afraid of > handguns themselves. Odd thing is that I've not yet > heard of a handgun > killing anyone but I hear of people using handguns > to kill people all the > time. > > I'm convinced that the gun control battle reaches > much deeper than most of > us realize. I believe that most anti-gun activists > are driven by > misunderstanding and outright fear. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gary, What you are eluding to in the knife verses handgun is reaction time. It's the same with knives, handguns, Tia Kwon Do and baseball bats. Your only chance is to get the drop on the bad guy. This is why I've been noted to creep down the hall, naked, with a loaded handgun. If the shock don't give me the edge at least my Wife does not have to throw away a shirt because it has a bullet hole in it. Also, I 100% agree with you in regards to civic duty. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 08/16/07 10:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= an interesting thing about the knife in a gunfight is a study that was done regarding the ability of police to respond to a knife wielding perp charging them from 21 feet (the distance that is the outside of acceptable shooting range against a perp not armed with a firearm). who has the advantage? obviously, it's a trick question. turns out to be a 50/50 proposition. half the cops could draw and shoot before being stabbed by the charging knife attacker and half could not. seems the old bowie knife in the right hands is more dangerous than most of you could imagine. CCW holders are not gun yahoos looking for fast draw at high noon. to my mind, being armed is a matter of accepting responsibility for the safety of yourself and others. there will be no columbine or va tech around me. you will not rob the store i am shopping in. etc. here in georgia, we don't have any of this va tech or dc sniper nonsense. if some nutter takes out a firearm and starts firing at passing cars, someone just shoots him. go into a diner in rural georgia waving a pistol and making threats and demands -- your life expectancy would be about 8 seconds at that moment. it is my personal belief that any man who does not carry a gun is absolutely shirking his civic responsibilities. the welfare/nanny state and its supporters obviously have a far different view. On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom wrote:< > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid>> > > Hi Tom, > There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) > There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. > > On a more serious note - even though we talk lightly about this stuff, > non-gun people should understand how incredibly serious we take the > responsibility of carrying a CW or using a gun to protect ourselves and > possible hurt or kill someone. It's not something we take lightly. We > don't look for an opportunity to shoot someone and typically we will back > down until there's no place to go - or another person is in danger. None > of > us is looking for a gunfight or will pull a gun in an argument over a > parking space. > > Don;t want anyone to get the wrong idea. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:46 AM > Subject: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & > the law > > > > Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of > > manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if you > > kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, etc.) > > or > > if you kill an invader with a handgun & he only had a knife then you > will > > be > > prosecuted & will likely be found guilty. > > > > Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the > > right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an > > invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's > > considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was only > > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but > still > > dead. The police report usually states "no charges filed" & everything > is > > dropped. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Redghost > > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:25 PM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual
Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
an interesting thing about the knife in a gunfight is a study that was done regarding the ability of police to respond to a knife wielding perp charging them from 21 feet (the distance that is the outside of acceptable shooting range against a perp not armed with a firearm). who has the advantage? obviously, it's a trick question. turns out to be a 50/50 proposition. half the cops could draw and shoot before being stabbed by the charging knife attacker and half could not. seems the old bowie knife in the right hands is more dangerous than most of you could imagine. CCW holders are not gun yahoos looking for fast draw at high noon. to my mind, being armed is a matter of accepting responsibility for the safety of yourself and others. there will be no columbine or va tech around me. you will not rob the store i am shopping in. etc. here in georgia, we don't have any of this va tech or dc sniper nonsense. if some nutter takes out a firearm and starts firing at passing cars, someone just shoots him. go into a diner in rural georgia waving a pistol and making threats and demands -- your life expectancy would be about 8 seconds at that moment. it is my personal belief that any man who does not carry a gun is absolutely shirking his civic responsibilities. the welfare/nanny state and its supporters obviously have a far different view. On 8/16/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom wrote:< > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid>> > > Hi Tom, > There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) > There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. > > On a more serious note - even though we talk lightly about this stuff, > non-gun people should understand how incredibly serious we take the > responsibility of carrying a CW or using a gun to protect ourselves and > possible hurt or kill someone. It's not something we take lightly. We > don't look for an opportunity to shoot someone and typically we will back > down until there's no place to go - or another person is in danger. None > of > us is looking for a gunfight or will pull a gun in an argument over a > parking space. > > Don;t want anyone to get the wrong idea. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:46 AM > Subject: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & > the law > > > > Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of > > manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if you > > kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, etc.) > > or > > if you kill an invader with a handgun & he only had a knife then you > will > > be > > prosecuted & will likely be found guilty. > > > > Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the > > right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an > > invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's > > considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was only > > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but > still > > dead. The police report usually states "no charges filed" & everything > is > > dropped. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Redghost > > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:25 PM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! > > > > One should also make sure the perp falls into the house. Even if you > > have to help him in once he is limp. Makes for a better defense. > > > > clay > > > > On 13 Aug 2007, at 15:15, Donald Snook wrote: > > > >> Clay wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> "This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. > >> > >> Advice for client's of his?" > >> > >> > >> > >> Actually, I got that advice from someone who cleaned up crime scenes. > >> The police in Springfield, Missouri would often recommend this guy > >
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Maybe we should change the rules: Friends don't discuss religion, politics and guns. I am not afraid of guns, I worked for a few years assembling 38 specials at Colt Mfg. That being said, I have no place in my home for a working gun, I do own G/G'pa's civil war Remington. I've seen too much grief caused by guns that were bought to protect life and family. -- Pete Arnold New Rule: There's no such thing as flavored water. There's a whole aisle of this crap at the supermarket - water, but without that watery taste. Sorry, but flavored water is called a soft drink, or juice. You want flavored water? Pour some Maker's Mark over ice and let it melt. That's my flavored water. Amen! On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:05:04 -0500, you wrote: >Larry, > >I understand "non gun people". I have several friends who ask me to never >bring handguns out around them or their children because handguns terrify >them. > >I even did an experiment once - I placed an unloaded 45 ACP on my coffee >table in anticipation of a friend stopping over. He was absolutely terrified >when he saw the handgun. I even showed that it was unloaded & offered to >hand him the handgun butt first and he backed up in terror. > >My friend proved to me that at least some of the population is afraid of >handguns themselves. Odd thing is that I've not yet heard of a handgun >killing anyone but I hear of people using handguns to kill people all the >time. > >I'm convinced that the gun control battle reaches much deeper than most of >us realize. I believe that most anti-gun activists are driven by >misunderstanding and outright fear. > >Thanks, >Tom Hargrave >www.kegkits.com >256-656-1924 > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of LarryT >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:48 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns >& the law > >Tom wrote:<> carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid>> > >Hi Tom, >There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) >There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. > >On a more serious note - even though we talk lightly about this stuff, >non-gun people should understand how incredibly serious we take the >responsibility of carrying a CW or using a gun to protect ourselves and >possible hurt or kill someone. It's not something we take lightly. We >don't look for an opportunity to shoot someone and typically we will back >down until there's no place to go - or another person is in danger. None of > >us is looking for a gunfight or will pull a gun in an argument over a >parking space. > >Don;t want anyone to get the wrong idea. > >Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >. > >- Original Message - >From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:46 AM >Subject: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & >the law > > >> Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of >> manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if you >> kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, etc.) >> or >> if you kill an invader with a handgun & he only had a knife then you will >> be >> prosecuted & will likely be found guilty. >> >> Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the >> right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an >> invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's >> considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was only >> carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but still >> dead. The police report usually states "no charges filed" & everything is >> dropped. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Redghost >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:25 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! >> >> One should also make sure the perp falls into the house. Even if you >>
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Larry, I understand "non gun people". I have several friends who ask me to never bring handguns out around them or their children because handguns terrify them. I even did an experiment once - I placed an unloaded 45 ACP on my coffee table in anticipation of a friend stopping over. He was absolutely terrified when he saw the handgun. I even showed that it was unloaded & offered to hand him the handgun butt first and he backed up in terror. My friend proved to me that at least some of the population is afraid of handguns themselves. Odd thing is that I've not yet heard of a handgun killing anyone but I hear of people using handguns to kill people all the time. I'm convinced that the gun control battle reaches much deeper than most of us realize. I believe that most anti-gun activists are driven by misunderstanding and outright fear. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law Tom wrote:< carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid>> Hi Tom, There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. On a more serious note - even though we talk lightly about this stuff, non-gun people should understand how incredibly serious we take the responsibility of carrying a CW or using a gun to protect ourselves and possible hurt or kill someone. It's not something we take lightly. We don't look for an opportunity to shoot someone and typically we will back down until there's no place to go - or another person is in danger. None of us is looking for a gunfight or will pull a gun in an argument over a parking space. Don;t want anyone to get the wrong idea. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:46 AM Subject: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of > manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if you > kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, etc.) > or > if you kill an invader with a handgun & he only had a knife then you will > be > prosecuted & will likely be found guilty. > > Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the > right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an > invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's > considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was only > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but still > dead. The police report usually states "no charges filed" & everything is > dropped. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Redghost > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:25 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! > > One should also make sure the perp falls into the house. Even if you > have to help him in once he is limp. Makes for a better defense. > > clay > > On 13 Aug 2007, at 15:15, Donald Snook wrote: > >> Clay wrote: >> >> >> >> "This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. >> >> Advice for client's of his?" >> >> >> >> Actually, I got that advice from someone who cleaned up crime scenes. >> The police in Springfield, Missouri would often recommend this guy >> when >> someone needed an especially gruesome scene cleaned. >> >> >> >> As to the advice to my clients I remember some wise words from one of >> professors. He used to give a lecture to neighborhood watch groups >> about gun safety and crime prevention. He said if somebody is in your >> house and you have to shoot them to protect your family - don't shoot >> them in the leg make sure you kill them. You don't want to piss >> the guy >> off and you don't want him to sue you if he lives. >> >> >> >> Donald H. Snook >> >> McDonald, Tinker
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Tom wrote:< carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid>> Hi Tom, There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. ;-) There's also a saying about dead people not sueing. On a more serious note - even though we talk lightly about this stuff, non-gun people should understand how incredibly serious we take the responsibility of carrying a CW or using a gun to protect ourselves and possible hurt or kill someone. It's not something we take lightly. We don't look for an opportunity to shoot someone and typically we will back down until there's no place to go - or another person is in danger. None of us is looking for a gunfight or will pull a gun in an argument over a parking space. Don;t want anyone to get the wrong idea. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:46 AM Subject: [MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!,now handguns & the law > Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of > manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if you > kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, etc.) > or > if you kill an invader with a handgun & he only had a knife then you will > be > prosecuted & will likely be found guilty. > > Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the > right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an > invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's > considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was only > carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but still > dead. The police report usually states "no charges filed" & everything is > dropped. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Redghost > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:25 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! > > One should also make sure the perp falls into the house. Even if you > have to help him in once he is limp. Makes for a better defense. > > clay > > On 13 Aug 2007, at 15:15, Donald Snook wrote: > >> Clay wrote: >> >> >> >> "This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. >> >> Advice for client's of his?" >> >> >> >> Actually, I got that advice from someone who cleaned up crime scenes. >> The police in Springfield, Missouri would often recommend this guy >> when >> someone needed an especially gruesome scene cleaned. >> >> >> >> As to the advice to my clients I remember some wise words from one of >> professors. He used to give a lecture to neighborhood watch groups >> about gun safety and crime prevention. He said if somebody is in your >> house and you have to shoot them to protect your family - don't shoot >> them in the leg make sure you kill them. You don't want to piss >> the guy >> off and you don't want him to sue you if he lives. >> >> >> >> Donald H. Snook >> >> McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. >> >> 300 West Douglas >> >> P.O. Box 207 >> >> Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 >> >> Tel. (316) 263-5851 >> >> This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client >> privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you >> have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http:/
[MBZ] Was Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!, now handguns & the law
Unfortunately, I'm from a state (NY) where you can be convicted of manslaughter for shooting someone in your own house. In NY State, if you kill someone in your home and you had a path of escape (back door, etc.) or if you kill an invader with a handgun & he only had a knife then you will be prosecuted & will likely be found guilty. Fortunately, I now live in a state (Alabama) that believes you have the right to PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY and if need be, can shoot an invader. And if he happens to die from a gaping 45 ACP wound, it's considered a result of his own actions and HIS FAULT. And if he was only carrying a knife when he broke in? Then he's incredibly stupid, but still dead. The police report usually states "no charges filed" & everything is dropped. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! One should also make sure the perp falls into the house. Even if you have to help him in once he is limp. Makes for a better defense. clay On 13 Aug 2007, at 15:15, Donald Snook wrote: > Clay wrote: > > > > "This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. > > Advice for client's of his?" > > > > Actually, I got that advice from someone who cleaned up crime scenes. > The police in Springfield, Missouri would often recommend this guy > when > someone needed an especially gruesome scene cleaned. > > > > As to the advice to my clients I remember some wise words from one of > professors. He used to give a lecture to neighborhood watch groups > about gun safety and crime prevention. He said if somebody is in your > house and you have to shoot them to protect your family - don't shoot > them in the leg make sure you kill them. You don't want to piss > the guy > off and you don't want him to sue you if he lives. > > > > Donald H. Snook > > McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. > > 300 West Douglas > > P.O. Box 207 > > Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 > > Tel. (316) 263-5851 > > This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client > privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you > have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
