Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-04 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> > > G wrote: > > > > > > The steam valve switches to push on the back stroke, at the > > > end of the front stroke. > > Mitch wrote: > > > > At least this one has a clutch and a gearbox, so if you stop > > at exactly TDC you can still get it rolling. By de-clutching and turning the flywheel

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 04 Nov 2020 12:36:47 -0600 Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > On 2020-11-04 12:32, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > Don't forget, steam engines use double action cylinders... so a single > > cylinder is actually two... > > The steam valve switches to push on the back stroke, at the end of

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2020-11-04 12:32, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Don't forget, steam engines use double action cylinders... so a single cylinder is actually two... The steam valve switches to push on the back stroke, at the end of the front stroke. At least this one has a clutch and a gearbox, so if you stop

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Don't forget, steam engines use double action cylinders... so a single cylinder is actually two... The steam valve switches to push on the back stroke, at the end of the front stroke. On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:19 PM ned kleinhenz via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Zero rpm torque?

[MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread ned kleinhenz via Mercedes
Zero rpm torque? Sounds like a calculated thing based on the maximum force the piston applies to the crankshaft. I assume the crank lever arm is 1/2 the stroke. This Case locomotive only has one cylinder. That makes the zero rpm torque = (1/2bore)squared X pi X steam psig X (1/2 stroke). Ned

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've got a 2 bottom, I think 16" rollover plow. The Super M walks away with it but that's a 3 plow tractor.I should make a video some day, its pretty Rube Goldberg looking when it rolls over... -Curt On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 6:34:47 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2020-11-03 18:11, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, having worked on farms as a kid and even driven the occasional tractor during plowing and planting season, that 36 bottom plow was pretty hard to grasp. I have experience with two kinds of plows, 14" moldboards and 16". First tractor I

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yeah, having worked on farms as a kid and even driven the occasional tractor during plowing and planting season, that 36 bottom plow was pretty hard to grasp. I noticed in the comments that someone joked about it not being crippled by the manufacturer (like John Deere) to prevent the

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Check out the YouTube videos of those traction engines beating the pants off modern diesels in tractor pulls -- once you get them pulling hard, if the firebox is stoked properly (as in a full bed of coked out coal) the harder it works the more air you pull through the firebox and the more steam

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
You could see the balls spinning on the governor on top, that was cool.  I liked how they had all those people working the plows.  I want some striped overhauls like that girl was wearing -_FT On 11/3/20 2:10 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
We like to stop at the Amish stores up north. They have "fry pies" that are to die for. The best ice cream I've ever had was when we went to the Coleman convention in Charlotte. An Amish guy was making it from scratch with an ice cream maker belted to an old John Deere hit and miss engine. The

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero RPM. With more info > (steam pressure, piston size, number of cylinders) it could be > calculated what the zero RPM torque would be. Well, it's a one-lunger, and they said they're running 180PSI somewhere in the videos. Looks to be a foot or so in

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Now I'm having visions of Amish guys going to the beach to ogle the underdressed English, like a former coworker used to like to go down to the beach at Cozumel to look for 'exotic birds'. (beware of exotic iguanas) Mitch. On 2020-11-03 11:51, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, never

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
too funny.  This guy who had the sawmill (before he got crushed by a load of oak railroad ties that fell off a flatbed) told me he and a bunch had come down to SC after hurricane Hugo I guess, and worked down here for several months, he knew where I lived.  They get around as long as the

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yeah, never missed a meal when I had to call on our Amish customers. Funny, as there’s a big community of Amish and Mennonites in Bradenton, about 45 minutes south of here. They do all the requisite furniture building and have a couple of big “family style” restaurants that also sell pies and

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
good plan --FT On 11/3/20 11:06 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I always made sure I showed up just before lunch time. -D -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2020-11-03 09:45, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I think I've mentioned that a friend of mine has a single engine museum in his backyard. "The Whately Engine Museum". He (usually) does a yearly Coleman gathering, during that if you look at an engine too long his dad will come over and fire

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Very cool -_FT On 11/3/20 10:56 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Buggered wrote: I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm 2626 lb-ft of torque = 150 HP at 300 RPM. And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero RPM. With more info (steam pressure, piston size, number of

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’ve mentioned before that when I was in the generator business in Indiana we also repped for some industrial engine lines, like White-Hercules. Sold lots of diesel engines to the Amish in northern Indiana for their shops, like wood shops and other such places. The engines would be in a little

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Buggered wrote: > I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm 2626 lb-ft of torque = 150 HP at 300 RPM. And a steam engine has maximum torque at zero RPM. With more info (steam pressure, piston size, number of cylinders) it could be calculated what the zero RPM torque would

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
These gatherings were south of FtWayne out in the country.  They had the threshers set up, basically big (somewhat) stationary steam engines with big pulley wheels (like 4ft diameter or more) driving large leather belts that were attached to the threshing machines.  I guess they could use the

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think I've mentioned that a friend of mine has a single engine museum in his backyard. "The Whately Engine Museum". He (usually) does a yearly Coleman gathering, during that if you look at an engine too long his dad will come over and fire it up. Some are huge, theres one that ran a light

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
First time I saw one of these gatherings was at the railroad museum in Sacramento, CA. I was out there for business and had brought the family to enjoy an extended weekend. We were looking for something to do and saw there was some sort of big event at the museum, so we went there for the day.

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
“Not approved for use in California” “Pending OSHA Review” When I was a kid my dad would take me to the Threshers gatherings in Indiana where a variety of old steam-powered tractors and threshers would be working. It was really cool. I bet that thing has about 42000 lb-ft of torque at 150rpm

[MBZ] Way OT: Pulls like a freight train

2020-11-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I'd forgotten that the old steamers had chain drive steering. BTW, a Case 150 weighs 75,000lb. 150hp at 300 rpm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_fshxE3Gk There were few 150s built, and no known survivors. They built that replica from the original blueprints, which amazingly did survive.