Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Meade Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> That is my question too.  If the original system had a joint that
> could be undone with hand tools, why is that no longer the case?

Low-end exhaust shops have a stock of generic pipes, a chop saw, and
some benders, expanders, and shrinkers to make it all fit. They weld
everything so they don't have to stock flanges, gaskets, and clamps.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

The solid flanges that slide on the pipe holding the flared pipe ends together 
rusted away. The pipes themselves were in tact because they are stainless. This 
joint which was designed to be undone is now welded together with a short 
length of pipe slid onto and into the respective original exhaust pipe ends and 
then welded all around.

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> On Jan 4, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That is my question too.  If the original system had a joint that could be
> undone with hand tools, why is that no longer the case?  Was there a leak /
> rust at the joint?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:04 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> and cut out the restriction.   THt is a bigger deal than the ugly
>> welds.   But the real deal is why was the flange cut out and not repaired?
>> 
>>> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>> January 3, 2020 at 2:52 PM
>>> Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean
>>> up the
>>> weld.
>>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That is my question too.  If the original system had a joint that could be
undone with hand tools, why is that no longer the case?  Was there a leak /
rust at the joint?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 12:04 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> and cut out the restriction.   THt is a bigger deal than the ugly
> welds.   But the real deal is why was the flange cut out and not repaired?
>
> > Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> > January 3, 2020 at 2:52 PM
> > Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean
> > up the
> > weld.
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Herr Mann put it well too.  Combine his argument with Philip's, then 
demand the guy replace BOTH sections with new, as that is the only way 
to do it right.   Or better yet, get him to refund the money and buy the 
2 pieces and do it yourself.


Was the bill paid with a CC?  If so, dispute the charge, get the money 
back, then fix it right.

fmiser via Mercedes 
January 3, 2020 at 3:28 PM

Dimitri wrote:
Not only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was
originally joined together with flanges and bolted
together.  ...cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially
intended.

To me, the ugly weld is disappointing.  If it seals and hold
together, maybe good enough.

But re-engineering?  Failure to repair "in kind"?  Diminish
serviceability by replacing a flange with a welded joint?

THAT is unacceptable



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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

and cut out the restriction.   THt is a bigger deal than the ugly 
welds.   But the real deal is why was the flange cut out and not repaired?



Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
January 3, 2020 at 2:52 PM
Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean 
up the

weld.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

THAT level of quality should not cost over $40.   $24 is more like it.

No, you are not being too fussy.   The dude needs to LOOK at the crap he 
(his welder guy) is turning out.    And , no, I could not do any better 
unless I practiced for at least a half hour.


My FCAW is pretty ugly.    If I had GMAW available, I could do better. I 
think the nicest welds I ever did was DC stick with the WWII era motor 
generator.



Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
January 3, 2020 at 12:52 PM
My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in 
the Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I 
will not name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based 
on my experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical 
repairs. His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction 
to him regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he 
politely defended the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for 
me to show him what I found unsatisfactory. There was another area 
that was repaired in a similar manner. The total cost was $425 for the 
welding. What do you guys think of this repair? Am I being too fussy here?





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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

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My dealer trained indy tech swears by Meinicke's welders.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:04 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> As a quick alternative, I suggest a trip, with the car, to your local Midas
> Muffler Shop [or your local equal]. There, they will have tubing, sizing
> equipment, and proper welding skills and equipment to remove the damaged
> mess and replace it with proper exhaust materials, quickly...
> Should be a drive in, inspect, explain the issue, fix it... drive away...
> for small money.
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 8:57 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes I think the exhaust is “fixed”. When I get a tig welder, I will cut
> > out that atrocity and re-weld it properly.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 3, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Dwight Giles 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > So Dimitri- the bottom line-is your mother safe from exhaust leaks?
> > > I get that you don't want to sue the bastages so the real questionzat
> > least for now are there,any exhaust leaks.
> > >
> > > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 2:16 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> What’s scary is that this is a welding professional. How could you be
> > so incompetent at your job when that’s all you do? How could you go home
> at
> > night feeling any satisfaction with your day’s accomplishments?
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I mean if it works and does not leak, ok. But for that price I would
> > expect it to look a lot better than that. I could probably do similar
> with
> > my HF welder.
> > >> >
> > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Jan 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop
> > in the Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I
> > will not name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on
> my
> > experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
> > His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> > regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely
> defended
> > the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
> > found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a
> similar
> > manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think
> of
> > this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

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As a quick alternative, I suggest a trip, with the car, to your local Midas
Muffler Shop [or your local equal]. There, they will have tubing, sizing
equipment, and proper welding skills and equipment to remove the damaged
mess and replace it with proper exhaust materials, quickly...
Should be a drive in, inspect, explain the issue, fix it... drive away...
for small money.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 8:57 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes I think the exhaust is “fixed”. When I get a tig welder, I will cut
> out that atrocity and re-weld it properly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 3, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > So Dimitri- the bottom line-is your mother safe from exhaust leaks?
> > I get that you don't want to sue the bastages so the real questionzat
> least for now are there,any exhaust leaks.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 2:16 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> What’s scary is that this is a welding professional. How could you be
> so incompetent at your job when that’s all you do? How could you go home at
> night feeling any satisfaction with your day’s accomplishments?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I mean if it works and does not leak, ok. But for that price I would
> expect it to look a lot better than that. I could probably do similar with
> my HF welder.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jan 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop
> in the Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I
> will not name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended
> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar
> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of
> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes I think the exhaust is “fixed”. When I get a tig welder, I will cut out 
that atrocity and re-weld it properly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> So Dimitri- the bottom line-is your mother safe from exhaust leaks?
> I get that you don't want to sue the bastages so the real questionzat least 
> for now are there,any exhaust leaks. 
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 2:16 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> What’s scary is that this is a welding professional. How could you be so 
>> incompetent at your job when that’s all you do? How could you go home at 
>> night feeling any satisfaction with your day’s accomplishments? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > I mean if it works and does not leak, ok. But for that price I would 
>> > expect it to look a lot better than that. I could probably do similar with 
>> > my HF welder. 
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> >> On Jan 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the 
>> >> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will 
>> >> not name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my 
>> >> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. 
>> >> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him 
>> >> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely 
>> >> defended the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show 
>> >> him what I found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired 
>> >> in a similar manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you 
>> >> guys think of this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>> >> 
>> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Great point!

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:50 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So Dimitri- the bottom line-is your mother safe from exhaust leaks?
> I get that you don't want to sue the bastages so the real questionzat least
> for now are there,any exhaust leaks.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 2:16 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > What’s scary is that this is a welding professional. How could you be so
> > incompetent at your job when that’s all you do? How could you go home at
> > night feeling any satisfaction with your day’s accomplishments?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I mean if it works and does not leak, ok. But for that price I would
> > expect it to look a lot better than that. I could probably do similar
> with
> > my HF welder.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jan 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in
> > the Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I
> will
> > not name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
> > experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
> > His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> > regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely
> defended
> > the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
> > found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a
> similar
> > manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think
> of
> > this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

So Dimitri- the bottom line-is your mother safe from exhaust leaks?
I get that you don't want to sue the bastages so the real questionzat least
for now are there,any exhaust leaks.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 2:16 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What’s scary is that this is a welding professional. How could you be so
> incompetent at your job when that’s all you do? How could you go home at
> night feeling any satisfaction with your day’s accomplishments?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I mean if it works and does not leak, ok. But for that price I would
> expect it to look a lot better than that. I could probably do similar with
> my HF welder.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in
> the Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will
> not name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended
> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar
> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of
> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
> >>
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes, I believe the exhaust is stainless and therefore should have been welded 
with stainless wire or ideally tig welded. That being said, I have mig welded 
stainless exhausts with non stainless wire and the results were beautiful so I 
do believe the problem here was due to  complete incompetence on the part of 
the welder (the person operating the welding machine that is).

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dimitri says:
> 
>> Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core. 
> 
> I wonder if the exhaust is some grade of stainless? There is some stainless 
> that has enough ferrous material in it to be somewhat magnetic. That would 
> explain why the welds look like that. Welder dude used the wrong wire and 
> shielding gas. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dimitri says:

>Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core. 

I wonder if the exhaust is some grade of stainless? There is some stainless 
that has enough ferrous material in it to be somewhat magnetic. That would 
explain why the welds look like that. Welder dude used the wrong wire and 
shielding gas. 

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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 15:17:02 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 4 hours at $100ea, plus $25 to dig in the scrap pile for the patch
> material? I can remember when MiG welding cost me $30 an hour, but that
> was in the 1980s. The good news is he cut the flange out so the next
> time it goes you'll have to replace two pieces instead of the piece the
> idiot indy (or foolish owner) should have replaced this time around.

I had a muffler shop in Pasadena, CA, do that with the exhaust system on
my '59 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder Veloce. I was not pleased, but as a
20-year-old college student, I didn't know what to do.


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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Drunken monkeyThis response takes the cake! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 4:26 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> If the welder was a drunken monkey working for free peanuts and warm beer,
> using a flux core 110 welder, then it's an outstanding job.
> 
> Otherwise, as a 'paid expert"... it absolutely sucks !
> 
> Good welds are also pretty welds. These welds are bone ugly, show lack of
> heat control and hand / stinger coordination, and most likely is a flux
> core welder.. low cost cheap welder Really bad.
> 
> I would, for the money spent, demand the section be removed and replaced
> with new factory bolt or clamp in piece... at the shops cost to rework...
> 
> The welds are sub standard and will crack and leak... your mom drives it...
> strong argument for safety...
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:18 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Usually in this situation I just replace the rusty section with a factory
>> part. It bolts right in and the parts are not typically too expensive.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:54 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean up
>> the
>>> weld.
>>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I did but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well. From now on NOBODY will be
 welding on my or my family members’ cars. Period.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dwight Giles 
>> wrote:
 
 I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
 Dwight E. Giles Jr.
 Wickford RI
 
 
 On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis >> 
 wrote:
 
> Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core.
> Paint covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag.
>> Not
> only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally
>>> joined
> together with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair
>> was
> done. He slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing
>>> the
> diameter of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe
>>> which
> will rob some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded
>>> mass
> cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles 
>>> wrote:
> 
> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in
>>> the
>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I
>>> will not
>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
>> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical
>>> repairs.
>> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
>> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely
>>> defended
>> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him
>>> what I
>> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a
>>> similar
>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys
>>> think of
>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

There are various reasons why I don’t want to do that. First of all, it is a 
good Mercedes shop for mechanical repairs. I guess anything welding related is 
just a no no for them. After this experience, I will weld everything myself. I 
let it slide this time because I was busy and didn’t want to hold up my 
mother’s car while I found the time to weld it. She was complaining already 
about how she needed her car back. 
Second of all, the owner is a pretty decent guy so I don’t feel it’s fair to 
punish him for one bad experience not directly caused by his shop although he 
should have offered to remedy it either way. There is a third of all but I’ll 
keep it off the list!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yelp and Facebook are handy for this sort of social media shaming. However, 
> there is a flip side in that you can pretty much forget ever patronizing the 
> business again. Since it’s a place his mom has been taking the car that might 
> be a problem for her…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean up the
>> weld.
>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I did but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well. From now on NOBODY will be
>>> welding on my or my family members’ cars. Period.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
>>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core.
 Paint covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag. Not
 only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally joined
 together with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair was
 done. He slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing the
 diameter of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe which
 will rob some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded mass
 cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
 
 NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
 
 Dwight Giles Jr.
 Wickford RI
 
 On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the
> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will 
> not
> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely 
> defended
> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a 
> similar
> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of
> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dimitri wrote:

> Not only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was
> originally joined together with flanges and bolted
> together.  ...cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially
> intended.

To me, the ugly weld is disappointing.  If it seals and hold
together, maybe good enough.

But re-engineering?  Failure to repair "in kind"?  Diminish
serviceability by replacing a flange with a welded joint?

THAT is unacceptable

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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

If the welder was a drunken monkey working for free peanuts and warm beer,
using a flux core 110 welder, then it's an outstanding job.

Otherwise, as a 'paid expert"... it absolutely sucks !

Good welds are also pretty welds. These welds are bone ugly, show lack of
heat control and hand / stinger coordination, and most likely is a flux
core welder.. low cost cheap welder Really bad.

I would, for the money spent, demand the section be removed and replaced
with new factory bolt or clamp in piece... at the shops cost to rework...

The welds are sub standard and will crack and leak... your mom drives it...
strong argument for safety...


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:18 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Usually in this situation I just replace the rusty section with a factory
> part. It bolts right in and the parts are not typically too expensive.
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:54 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean up
> the
> > weld.
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I did but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well. From now on NOBODY will be
> > > welding on my or my family members’ cars. Period.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
> > > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core.
> > >> Paint covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag.
> Not
> > >> only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally
> > joined
> > >> together with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair
> was
> > >> done. He slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing
> > the
> > >> diameter of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe
> > which
> > >> will rob some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded
> > mass
> > >> cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
> > >>
> > >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> > >> Wickford RI
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in
> > the
> > >>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I
> > will not
> > >>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
> > >>> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical
> > repairs.
> > >>> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> > >>> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely
> > defended
> > >>> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him
> > what I
> > >>> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a
> > similar
> > >>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys
> > think of
> > >>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Usually in this situation I just replace the rusty section with a factory
part. It bolts right in and the parts are not typically too expensive.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:54 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean up the
> weld.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
>
> > I did but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well. From now on NOBODY will be
> > welding on my or my family members’ cars. Period.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> >
> > I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>  Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core.
> >> Paint covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag. Not
> >> only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally
> joined
> >> together with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair was
> >> done. He slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing
> the
> >> diameter of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe
> which
> >> will rob some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded
> mass
> >> cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
> >>
> >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in
> the
> >>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I
> will not
> >>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
> >>> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical
> repairs.
> >>> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> >>> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely
> defended
> >>> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him
> what I
> >>> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a
> similar
> >>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys
> think of
> >>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yelp and Facebook are handy for this sort of social media shaming. However, 
there is a flip side in that you can pretty much forget ever patronizing the 
business again. Since it’s a place his mom has been taking the car that might 
be a problem for her…

-D


> On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean up the
> weld.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
> 
>> I did but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well. From now on NOBODY will be
>> welding on my or my family members’ cars. Period.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>> 
>> I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core.
>>> Paint covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag. Not
>>> only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally joined
>>> together with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair was
>>> done. He slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing the
>>> diameter of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe which
>>> will rob some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded mass
>>> cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the
 Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not
 name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
 experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
 His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
 regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended
 the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
 found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar
 manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of
 this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Post his name on Twitter with pic-or threaten to if they don't clean up the
weld.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

> I did but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well. From now on NOBODY will be
> welding on my or my family members’ cars. Period.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>
> I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
>
>>  Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core.
>> Paint covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag. Not
>> only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally joined
>> together with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair was
>> done. He slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing the
>> diameter of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe which
>> will rob some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded mass
>> cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>
>> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the
>>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not
>>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
>>> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
>>> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
>>> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended
>>> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
>>> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar
>>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of
>>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I did but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well. From now on NOBODY will be welding on 
my or my family members’ cars. Period.

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> On Jan 3, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis  
>> wrote:
>>  Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core. Paint 
>> covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag. Not only does 
>> the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally joined together 
>> with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair was done. He 
>> slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing the diameter 
>> of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe which will rob 
>> some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded mass cannot be 
>> unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
 On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the 
 Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will 
 not name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my 
 experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. 
 His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him 
 regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely 
 defended the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show 
 him what I found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired 
 in a similar manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you 
 guys think of this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

4 hours at $100ea, plus $25 to dig in the scrap pile for the patch material?
I can remember when MiG welding cost me $30 an hour, but that was in the 1980s.
The good news is he cut the flange out so the next time it goes you'll have to 
replace two pieces instead of the piece the idiot indy (or foolish owner) 
should have replaced this time around. 
Mitch. 
> On January 3, 2020 at 2:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> $425? Ouch. I hope your guy marked the subbed work up substantially. I would 
> have a really hard time justifying that.

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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I would definitely complain to the repair shop.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

>  Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core.
> Paint covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag. Not
> only does the weld look like dog shit but that area was originally joined
> together with flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair was
> done. He slipped a piece over one end and into the other thus reducing the
> diameter of the exhaust and creating a local obstruction in the pipe which
> will rob some power from the engine. In addition, this dog shit welded mass
> cannot be unbolted and separated as was initially intended.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>
> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the
>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not
>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
>> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
>> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
>> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended
>> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
>> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar
>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of
>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

$425? Ouch. I hope your guy marked the subbed work up substantially. I would 
have a really hard time justifying that.

-D

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> No real material cost other than some cheap section of pipe that was spliced 
> in. A few bucks at most.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m no welder other than stick welding two edges of steel plate butted 
>> together laying on a flat floor.
>> 
>> That being said, my exhaust guy does a much better job than that and would 
>> have charged significantly less based on my experience. For example, he 
>> welded the small catalytic converter on one side of my SL500 exhaust for 
>> $150, and that involved dropping the pipe from the manifold.
>> 
>> Hmm. No, I don’t think you’re being too fussy. I wonder how much he marked 
>> up the subcontractor’s charge? There wasn’t anything unique as far as the 
>> materials, correct?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the 
>>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not 
>>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my 
>>> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. 
>>> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him 
>>> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended 
>>> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I 
>>> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar 
>>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of 
>>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

No real material cost other than some cheap section of pipe that was spliced 
in. A few bucks at most.

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> On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m no welder other than stick welding two edges of steel plate butted 
> together laying on a flat floor.
> 
> That being said, my exhaust guy does a much better job than that and would 
> have charged significantly less based on my experience. For example, he 
> welded the small catalytic converter on one side of my SL500 exhaust for 
> $150, and that involved dropping the pipe from the manifold.
> 
> Hmm. No, I don’t think you’re being too fussy. I wonder how much he marked up 
> the subcontractor’s charge? There wasn’t anything unique as far as the 
> materials, correct?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the 
>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not 
>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my experience 
>> with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. His “welder” 
>> is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him regarding the 
>> quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended the welder and 
>> gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I found 
>> unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar 
>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of 
>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m no welder other than stick welding two edges of steel plate butted together 
laying on a flat floor.

That being said, my exhaust guy does a much better job than that and would have 
charged significantly less based on my experience. For example, he welded the 
small catalytic converter on one side of my SL500 exhaust for $150, and that 
involved dropping the pipe from the manifold.

Hmm. No, I don’t think you’re being too fussy. I wonder how much he marked up 
the subcontractor’s charge? There wasn’t anything unique as far as the 
materials, correct?

-D



> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the 
> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not 
> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my experience 
> with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. His “welder” 
> is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him regarding the quality 
> of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended the welder and gave no 
> apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I found unsatisfactory. 
> There was another area that was repaired in a similar manner. The total cost 
> was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of this repair? Am I being 
> too fussy here?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

That looks way better than 99% of my welds.  Especially working upside
down under the car on rusty metal...

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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

What’s scary is that this is a welding professional. How could you be so 
incompetent at your job when that’s all you do? How could you go home at night 
feeling any satisfaction with your day’s accomplishments? 

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> On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I mean if it works and does not leak, ok. But for that price I would expect 
> it to look a lot better than that. I could probably do similar with my HF 
> welder. 
> 
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>> On Jan 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the 
>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not 
>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my experience 
>> with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. His “welder” 
>> is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him regarding the 
>> quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended the welder and 
>> gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I found 
>> unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar 
>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of 
>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

 Not sure. Looks like mig not sure if with shielding gas or flux core. Paint 
covered up  the possibility of seeing uncleaned welding slag. Not only does the 
weld look like dog shit but that area was originally joined together with 
flanges and bolted together. That’s not how the repair was done. He slipped a 
piece over one end and into the other thus reducing the diameter of the exhaust 
and creating a local obstruction in the pipe which will rob some power from the 
engine. In addition, this dog shit welded mass cannot be unbolted and separated 
as was initially intended.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the 
>> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not 
>> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my experience 
>> with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. His “welder” 
>> is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him regarding the 
>> quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended the welder and 
>> gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I found 
>> unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar 
>> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of 
>> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I mean if it works and does not leak, ok. But for that price I would expect it 
to look a lot better than that. I could probably do similar with my HF welder. 

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> On Jan 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the 
> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not 
> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my experience 
> with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. His “welder” 
> is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him regarding the quality 
> of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended the welder and gave no 
> apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I found unsatisfactory. 
> There was another area that was repaired in a similar manner. The total cost 
> was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of this repair? Am I being 
> too fussy here?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

NOT a Dimitri weld. Was it ever slagged?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:53 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the
> Boston area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not
> name names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my
> experience with him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs.
> His “welder” is subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him
> regarding the quality of the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended
> the welder and gave no apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I
> found unsatisfactory. There was another area that was repaired in a similar
> manner. The total cost was $425 for the welding. What do you guys think of
> this repair? Am I being too fussy here?
>
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[MBZ] What do you guys think of this weld?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

My mom took her 2005 G500 to the most esteemed Indy Mercedes shop in the Boston 
area to have a few things repaired including the exhaust (I will not name 
names). To be fair, I like the owner and I feel, based on my experience with 
him that he does a great job with the mechanical repairs. His “welder” is 
subcontracted. I expressed my dissatisfaction to him regarding the quality of 
the welded exhaust repair but he politely defended the welder and gave no 
apologies and didn’t ask for me to show him what I found unsatisfactory. There 
was another area that was repaired in a similar manner. The total cost was $425 
for the welding. What do you guys think of this repair? Am I being too fussy 
here?



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