Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Don Wills via Mercedes]

In a tribute to the W123, I've been problem free since dropping off of the
list. Debbie and I have a running bet/joke on which will fail first, the
275K engine or the rusty body. I always thought the engine would win.
Wondering now.


On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Don Wills  wrote:

> Wilton, not lurking. I use GMail for this, so can pop in every couple of
> weeks and catch up. I responded to ever thread to which I could add
> something intelligent. Didn't happen too often.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:46 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
>> I've had both the pumps fail, and the large hard vacuum line crack. Check
>> both.
>>
>> Welcome back, Don, it's been lonely being the only Don here  ;-)
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The check valves in the pump can fail too, a cheaper fix if you can
>> still
>> > find them.
>> >
>> > Primary cause in my experience is a crack in the section of the line
>> where
>> > all the vacuum lines attach.  You have to replace the whole line, the
>> > center section is not available separately.  This may restore other
>> vacuum
>> > accessories, too.
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> OK Don
>>
>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>>
>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>> who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>>
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Don Wills via Mercedes]

Wilton, not lurking. I use GMail for this, so can pop in every couple of
weeks and catch up. I responded to ever thread to which I could add
something intelligent. Didn't happen too often.


On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:46 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I've had both the pumps fail, and the large hard vacuum line crack. Check
> both.
>
> Welcome back, Don, it's been lonely being the only Don here  ;-)
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The check valves in the pump can fail too, a cheaper fix if you can still
> > find them.
> >
> > Primary cause in my experience is a crack in the section of the line
> where
> > all the vacuum lines attach.  You have to replace the whole line, the
> > center section is not available separately.  This may restore other
> vacuum
> > accessories, too.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

How about your daughter?  Mine is now nine, thinks she runs the house and 
trying to take over the school too.
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'95 E300

On October 9, 2015 10:11:30 PM EDT, Don Wills via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>In a tribute to the W123, I've been problem free since dropping off of
>the
>list. Debbie and I have a running bet/joke on which will fail first,
>the
>275K engine or the rusty body. I always thought the engine would win.
>Wondering now.
>
>
>On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Don Wills 
>wrote:
>
>> Wilton, not lurking. I use GMail for this, so can pop in every couple
>of
>> weeks and catch up. I responded to ever thread to which I could add
>> something intelligent. Didn't happen too often.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:46 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I've had both the pumps fail, and the large hard vacuum line crack.
>Check
>>> both.
>>>
>>> Welcome back, Don, it's been lonely being the only Don here  ;-)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The check valves in the pump can fail too, a cheaper fix if you
>can
>>> still
>>> > find them.
>>> >
>>> > Primary cause in my experience is a crack in the section of the
>line
>>> where
>>> > all the vacuum lines attach.  You have to replace the whole line,
>the
>>> > center section is not available separately.  This may restore
>other
>>> vacuum
>>> > accessories, too.
>>> >
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> OK Don
>>>
>>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US
>citizens!
>>>
>>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and
>many of
>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>>
>>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
>few
>>> who
>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>>> for themselves."
>>>
>>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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>>
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I've had both the pumps fail, and the large hard vacuum line crack. Check
both.

Welcome back, Don, it's been lonely being the only Don here  ;-)

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The check valves in the pump can fail too, a cheaper fix if you can still
> find them.
>
> Primary cause in my experience is a crack in the section of the line where
> all the vacuum lines attach.  You have to replace the whole line, the
> center section is not available separately.  This may restore other vacuum
> accessories, too.
>
> Peter
>
>

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OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The check valves in the pump can fail too, a cheaper fix if you can  
still find them.


Primary cause in my experience is a crack in the section of the line  
where all the vacuum lines attach.  You have to replace the whole  
line, the center section is not available separately.  This may  
restore other vacuum accessories, too.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

You really don't need a mity vac or even a vac gauge, if you have 
ever popped a line off the normally functioning  vac system, you can 
hear what normal is.  Pull off the hose at the pump. start the car 
(keep fingers and ties, sleeves, etc out of the fan) and stick your 
finger on the pump outlet.  If it tries to hold your finger on it, 
then it is working.  If the pump has failed, you'll barely notice any 
pull.


If you have a vacuum gauge, I think 14-16 is normal, and the 13" 
mentioned may be the min acceptable by the book.



I'm not sure what the vac pump is like on a 240 but if it is the 
same as a 300 it is a fairly easy fix, the kit comes with a new 
rubber diaphragm and some one-way valves.  I have a writeup on my 
web site, which I might or might not be able to find.  I would vote 
for that, but you would need to put a mity-vac on the line coming 
out of it (make sure the line coming out of it is actually connected 
and/or able to hold vac) and see if the pump is actually pulling a 
vacuum of sufficient quantity (13" maybe if I recall...).


--R


On 10/8/15 9:50 PM, Don Wills via Mercedes wrote:

My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day one,
engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no shut-down
without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.

I know how to track down vacuum leaks, but wondered if anyone has seen this
progression before. The piece that shuts down the engine has been replaced,
but can't remember how long ago. Maybe 5 years? Lock system long ago
disabled and plugged. Vacuum system is pretty much engine shut off and
brakes.

What concerns me most is the sudden lack of brake boost. Have not yet
checked to see if there is any vacuum present in the system (that will be
done on Saturday).

Ideas?


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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 8, 2015 at 9:50 PM Don Wills via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day one,
> engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no shut-down
> without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
> Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.

OMG, it's the long lost Lt Wonko!

It might be a vacuum pump failure. 
The system is designed to supply vacuum to the brake booster when all
else (door locks, etc) has sprung a leak. But if the pump quits pumping...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Lurking?  'Hope all else is well.

Wilton

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I never went away, Max. I just stopped posting.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

LT Don! Welcome back, and yes, car questions get answered, after 
politics,

guns, food, culture, etc have been beaten into the ground.

Sounds to me like you've got three options: leak in brake booster, leak 
at

seal between master cylinder and brake booster, or failed vacuum pump.

Isolate vacuum pump from booster, start engine and check vacuum pump
function.  Sorry, don't have the number spec in my head.
--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Don Wills via Mercedes]

I have checked the fuses and am still using Mobil 1.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On October 8, 2015 at 9:53 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On October 8, 2015 at 9:50 PM Don Wills via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day
> one,
> > > engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no
> shut-down
> > > without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
> > > Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.
> >
> > OMG, it's the long lost Lt Wonko!
> >
> > It might be a vacuum pump failure.
> > The system is designed to supply vacuum to the brake booster when all
> > else (door locks, etc) has sprung a leak. But if the pump quits
> pumping...
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Don Wills via Mercedes]

That is my fear.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On October 8, 2015 at 9:50 PM Don Wills via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day one,
> > engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no shut-down
> > without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
> > Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.
>
> OMG, it's the long lost Lt Wonko!
>
> It might be a vacuum pump failure.
> The system is designed to supply vacuum to the brake booster when all
> else (door locks, etc) has sprung a leak. But if the pump quits pumping...
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 8, 2015 at 9:53 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On October 8, 2015 at 9:50 PM Don Wills via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day one,
> > engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no shut-down
> > without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
> > Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.
> 
> OMG, it's the long lost Lt Wonko!
> 
> It might be a vacuum pump failure. 
> The system is designed to supply vacuum to the brake booster when all
> else (door locks, etc) has sprung a leak. But if the pump quits pumping...
> 
> Mitch.
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

LT Don! Welcome back, and yes, car questions get answered, after politics, 
guns, food, culture, etc have been beaten into the ground.

Sounds to me like you've got three options: leak in brake booster, leak at seal 
between master cylinder and brake booster, or failed vacuum pump.

Isolate vacuum pump from booster, start engine and check vacuum pump function.  
Sorry, don't have the number spec in my head.
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Next thing, Rusty is going to chime in and let us know he can get Don a new 
vacuum pump in about two days for fifty bucks.
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Holy hell its Wonko the insane. The vacuum pump has probably failed.

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> On Oct 8, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Don Wills via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day one,
> engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no shut-down
> without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
> Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.
> 
> I know how to track down vacuum leaks, but wondered if anyone has seen this
> progression before. The piece that shuts down the engine has been replaced,
> but can't remember how long ago. Maybe 5 years? Lock system long ago
> disabled and plugged. Vacuum system is pretty much engine shut off and
> brakes.
> 
> What concerns me most is the sudden lack of brake boost. Have not yet
> checked to see if there is any vacuum present in the system (that will be
> done on Saturday).
> 
> Ideas?
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well I'm glad your posting!
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On October 8, 2015 10:13:09 PM EDT, Don Wills via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I never went away, Max. I just stopped posting.
>
>

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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

And you are still a flaming liberal too, right? Tell us what you think about 
Trump or Carson.

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> On Oct 8, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Don Wills via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have checked the fuses and am still using Mobil 1.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On October 8, 2015 at 9:53 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On October 8, 2015 at 9:50 PM Don Wills via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day
>> one,
 engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no
>> shut-down
 without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
 Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.
>>> 
>>> OMG, it's the long lost Lt Wonko!
>>> 
>>> It might be a vacuum pump failure.
>>> The system is designed to supply vacuum to the brake booster when all
>>> else (door locks, etc) has sprung a leak. But if the pump quits
>> pumping...
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
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[Don Wills via Mercedes]

I never went away, Max. I just stopped posting.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> LT Don! Welcome back, and yes, car questions get answered, after politics,
> guns, food, culture, etc have been beaten into the ground.
>
> Sounds to me like you've got three options: leak in brake booster, leak at
> seal between master cylinder and brake booster, or failed vacuum pump.
>
> Isolate vacuum pump from booster, start engine and check vacuum pump
> function.  Sorry, don't have the number spec in my head.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I'm not sure what the vac pump is like on a 240 but if it is the same as 
a 300 it is a fairly easy fix, the kit comes with a new rubber diaphragm 
and some one-way valves.  I have a writeup on my web site, which I might 
or might not be able to find.  I would vote for that, but you would need 
to put a mity-vac on the line coming out of it (make sure the line 
coming out of it is actually connected and/or able to hold vac) and see 
if the pump is actually pulling a vacuum of sufficient quantity (13" 
maybe if I recall...).


--R


On 10/8/15 9:50 PM, Don Wills via Mercedes wrote:

My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day one,
engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no shut-down
without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.

I know how to track down vacuum leaks, but wondered if anyone has seen this
progression before. The piece that shuts down the engine has been replaced,
but can't remember how long ago. Maybe 5 years? Lock system long ago
disabled and plugged. Vacuum system is pretty much engine shut off and
brakes.

What concerns me most is the sudden lack of brake boost. Have not yet
checked to see if there is any vacuum present in the system (that will be
done on Saturday).

Ideas?
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[MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Don Wills via Mercedes]

My 240D did a two day progression from "no problems" to issues. Day one,
engine chugged a time or two before shutting down. Day two, no shut-down
without opening the hood and also lost power assist on the brakes.
Obviously a massive vacuum leak somewhere.

I know how to track down vacuum leaks, but wondered if anyone has seen this
progression before. The piece that shuts down the engine has been replaced,
but can't remember how long ago. Maybe 5 years? Lock system long ago
disabled and plugged. Vacuum system is pretty much engine shut off and
brakes.

What concerns me most is the sudden lack of brake boost. Have not yet
checked to see if there is any vacuum present in the system (that will be
done on Saturday).

Ideas?
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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Looks like I managed to simultaneously open a composer window and send the
message.

Another side effect of the "brakes get priority" setup is that when the brake
booster or the big hose to the brake booster spring a leak, everything else
vacuum dependent dies. 

So I guess the first thing is to check the plumbing from the pump to the
booster, then check for vacuum at the pump. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Is Trent going to take his money and never send him anything?
Or do like he did to me and send the wrong thing, then promise to send the 
right thing before disappearing?

-Curt

  From: Max Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: Max Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 10:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] do we still answer car questions?
   
Next thing, Rusty is going to chime in and let us know he can get Don a new 
vacuum pump in about two days for fifty bucks.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


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