Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-13 Thread MG via Mercedes
Isn't it amazing how things have changed. Kind of makes you 
wonder why.


MG

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Sounds like when I took a full set of drawings I drew up and the BOM to my town 
planner’s office in WI when I built my (very large) deck and attached gazebo.  
They laughed at me and said that they had people come in with sketches on the 
backs of envelopes that they approved permits for.

They did come out and inspect two times during the construction process:  Once 
to check that the holes for the piers were below the frost line and that one 
contained a baby skunk, the other when it was complete.  When the city 
inspector came out for the final inspection, he just walked out on the deck, 
jumped up and down a couple of times and said, “This will do.”

-D


On Aug 12, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

When we pulled the permit for the garage at camp the lady was upset we we're wasting her 
time on "just a garage."
When we went to pull one for the bunk house she wouldn't do it because it was 
on piers.

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The insurance people seemed to think it was a good idea. Interestingly on the 
camp they didn't seem to care so much.
Curt

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> On August 12, 2017 at 5:57 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> When we pulled the permit for the garage at camp the lady was upset we we're 
> wasting her time on "just a garage."

Permits?
At the camp?
What the government can't see and doesn't know about can't hurt you.

Mitch.
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Good advice 50 yrs ago.  Now they look at satellite maps to see who they 
can catch.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
August 13, 2017 at 6:51 AM

Permits?
At the camp?
What the government can't see and doesn't know about can't hurt you.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On August 12, 2017 at 5:57 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> When we pulled the permit for the garage at camp the lady was upset we we're 
> wasting her time on "just a garage."

Permits?
At the camp?
What the government can't see and doesn't know about can't hurt you.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
He owes you one, Dan.

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:32:29 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Funny story….
> >
> > I get a voice mail on my home phone from the inspector:
> >
> > “Uh, I came out to check the holes for your piers today, and 15 of the
> > 16 look good.  The last one has an issue because there’s a baby skunk
> > in the bottom of it.”
> >
> > 
> >
> > We called a trapper, animal recovery person, you name it, and every one
> > gave us a different suggestion on how to get the baby skunk out of the
> > hole (these were four foot deep 12” diameter holes in very heavy clay,
> > I might add.)  We knew a woman who did bird of prey rescues in the
> > area, so we called her.
> >
> > “Put a garden hose down the hole and turn it on.  If the little stinker
> > doesn’t drown (or even if he does) he’ll float to the top and you can
> > get him out or he’ll leave of his own accord.”
> >
> > And that’s what we did.  I dumped a garden hose into the hole, turned
> > on the spigot full blast, then retreated into the house to watch from
> > inside through the sliding glass doors.  In about 2-3 minutes we could
> > see the water level getting near the top, and then the baby skunk comes
> > splashing out, walks out onto the lawn, shakes off the water and
> > waddles off into the brush behind the house.
>
> Yes, indeed, funny story!
>
> Did he scent the hole when you put the house down?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:32:29 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Funny story….
> 
> I get a voice mail on my home phone from the inspector:
> 
> “Uh, I came out to check the holes for your piers today, and 15 of the
> 16 look good.  The last one has an issue because there’s a baby skunk
> in the bottom of it.”
> 
> 
> 
> We called a trapper, animal recovery person, you name it, and every one
> gave us a different suggestion on how to get the baby skunk out of the
> hole (these were four foot deep 12” diameter holes in very heavy clay,
> I might add.)  We knew a woman who did bird of prey rescues in the
> area, so we called her.
> 
> “Put a garden hose down the hole and turn it on.  If the little stinker
> doesn’t drown (or even if he does) he’ll float to the top and you can
> get him out or he’ll leave of his own accord.”
> 
> And that’s what we did.  I dumped a garden hose into the hole, turned
> on the spigot full blast, then retreated into the house to watch from
> inside through the sliding glass doors.  In about 2-3 minutes we could
> see the water level getting near the top, and then the baby skunk comes
> splashing out, walks out onto the lawn, shakes off the water and
> waddles off into the brush behind the house.

Yes, indeed, funny story!

Did he scent the hole when you put the house down?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Funny story….

I get a voice mail on my home phone from the inspector:

“Uh, I came out to check the holes for your piers today, and 15 of the 16 look 
good.  The last one has an issue because there’s a baby skunk in the bottom of 
it.”



We called a trapper, animal recovery person, you name it, and every one gave us 
a different suggestion on how to get the baby skunk out of the hole (these were 
four foot deep 12” diameter holes in very heavy clay, I might add.)  We knew a 
woman who did bird of prey rescues in the area, so we called her.

“Put a garden hose down the hole and turn it on.  If the little stinker doesn’t 
drown (or even if he does) he’ll float to the top and you can get him out or 
he’ll leave of his own accord.”

And that’s what we did.  I dumped a garden hose into the hole, turned on the 
spigot full blast, then retreated into the house to watch from inside through 
the sliding glass doors.  In about 2-3 minutes we could see the water level 
getting near the top, and then the baby skunk comes splashing out, walks out 
onto the lawn, shakes off the water and waddles off into the brush behind the 
house.

At least I didn’t have to entomb them under my pier.

-D



> On Aug 12, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

> So everyone who builds a deck has to put a baby skunk down one of the
> holes?
> 
> 
>> the other when it was complete.  When the city inspector came out for
>> the final inspection, he just walked out on the deck, jumped up and
>> down a couple of times and said, “This will do.”
> 
> Dynamic structural testing ...
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:11:22 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> They did come out and inspect two times during the construction
> process:  Once to check that the holes for the piers were below the
> frost line and that one contained a baby skunk,

So everyone who builds a deck has to put a baby skunk down one of the
holes?


> the other when it was complete.  When the city inspector came out for
> the final inspection, he just walked out on the deck, jumped up and
> down a couple of times and said, “This will do.”

Dynamic structural testing ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sounds like when I took a full set of drawings I drew up and the BOM to my town 
planner’s office in WI when I built my (very large) deck and attached gazebo.  
They laughed at me and said that they had people come in with sketches on the 
backs of envelopes that they approved permits for.

They did come out and inspect two times during the construction process:  Once 
to check that the holes for the piers were below the frost line and that one 
contained a baby skunk, the other when it was complete.  When the city 
inspector came out for the final inspection, he just walked out on the deck, 
jumped up and down a couple of times and said, “This will do.”

-D

> On Aug 12, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When we pulled the permit for the garage at camp the lady was upset we we're 
> wasting her time on "just a garage."
> When we went to pull one for the bunk house she wouldn't do it because it was 
> on piers.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
When we pulled the permit for the garage at camp the lady was upset we we're 
wasting her time on "just a garage."
When we went to pull one for the bunk house she wouldn't do it because it was 
on piers.

Curt

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  On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:08 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:   Wow. I had to get engineered blueprints, 3 sets that cost me 
$600, just to do a 20x30 foot open pole barn to put the solar 
system on. In the woods yet even.

MG

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> Here in Logan county, I did not need a permit nor inspections to have a 24'
> X 40' garage built.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:22 PM, MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> You are lucky. Here in Alachua county you need a permit to put up an 8x10
>> garden storage shed from the box stores..
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-12 Thread MG via Mercedes
Wow. I had to get engineered blueprints, 3 sets that cost me 
$600, just to do a 20x30 foot open pole barn to put the solar 
system on. In the woods yet even.


MG

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Here in Logan county, I did not need a permit nor inspections to have a 24'
X 40' garage built.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:22 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:


You are lucky. Here in Alachua county you need a permit to put up an 8x10
garden storage shed from the box stores..







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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Here in Logan county, I did not need a permit nor inspections to have a 24'
X 40' garage built.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:22 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> You are lucky. Here in Alachua county you need a permit to put up an 8x10
> garden storage shed from the box stores..
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
53' moving van with underboxes is the way to  go.  Add ramps to the 
back, partion off the lower rear, and you haul your MB there, or you can 
buy a mini and store it crossways in the lower part of the belly of the 
trailer.  THink of it as a split level trailer house, with garage.


When I Started college, my idea was: On graduation, get a job at 
Edwards, live in a moving van in the desert to save , until I had 
saved enough money to hit critical mass.  Then have fun.   At that time, 
40' was the biggest trailer available.



Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
August 9, 2017 at 11:58 AM
I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming 
popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer 
so they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some 
of them are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a 
travel trailer or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, 
I kinda like them as they look more like a real house.


I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one 
on a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work 
better.  I see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 
3 axles, gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead 
of a 8X16ft house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, 
pretty much like a narrower single-wide.


This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm 
guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and 
storage bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are 
quite spendy, even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing 
those things are like 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once 
that bands used for touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and 
marble bathroom etc.


So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a 
trailer that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm 
guessing the trailer is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which 
is kinda like a shipping container, and people use containers to build 
houses now.  Containers I think are up to 40ft for a double?  So 
either a trailer or a container would make a nice "tiny" house too.  
So then I was thinking one of those low-floor moving van trailers 
would be even better, more headroom, loft space.  Either buy an old 
trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or an equipment hauler low 
trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what not already in 
place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size, more headroom, 
etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it around, or 
hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house than a 
single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that fold 
out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a 
larger "tiny" house, I guess moving it would require some permit or 
something but still...


So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking 
maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go 
a bit higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a 
pole to hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the 
bridge or whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" 
house too far you could get by with something taller?


My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there 
would be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was 
much better than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or 
cabin in the woods, or even a starter home that would be less than 
buying from a developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could 
even be designed to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide 
or even with wings that went off the sides.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread MG via Mercedes
You are lucky. Here in Alachua county you need a permit to put up 
an 8x10 garden storage shed from the box stores..


Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

200ft^2 or under needs no building permit.  At least in WA, so I'm told by
somebody who has done this.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Sorry, typo... make that $16,000 and change then drive it home...

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:17 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> For anyone interested in pursuing this further, here is a package deal..
> Truck Tractor and 53' dry van,
>
> Phoenix Craigslist, but units are in Las Vegas:
>
>  https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/hvo/d/2001-international-semi-truck/
> 6238175869.html
>
> Less than $14,000 total package... drive it home.
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/08/2017 12:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Composting toilet, a 5gal bucket with wood shavings like you'd use for a
>>> hamster. Make your deposit, cover with wood shavings. When the bucket is
>>> full put it THE MAIL TO ANDREW TO ADD TO HIS compost. This is also known as
>>> the humanure method.
>>> We tried it once at camp, it works fine, ANDREW WILL RETURN ODD JELLY.
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
For anyone interested in pursuing this further, here is a package deal..
Truck Tractor and 53' dry van,

Phoenix Craigslist, but units are in Las Vegas:


https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/hvo/d/2001-international-semi-truck/6238175869.html

Less than $14,000 total package... drive it home.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 11/08/2017 12:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Composting toilet, a 5gal bucket with wood shavings like you'd use for a
>> hamster. Make your deposit, cover with wood shavings. When the bucket is
>> full put it THE MAIL TO ANDREW TO ADD TO HIS compost. This is also known as
>> the humanure method.
>> We tried it once at camp, it works fine, ANDREW WILL RETURN ODD JELLY.
>> -Curt
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 11/08/2017 12:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Composting toilet, a 5gal bucket with wood shavings like you'd use for a 
hamster. Make your deposit, cover with wood shavings. When the bucket is full 
put it THE MAIL TO ANDREW TO ADD TO HIS compost. This is also known as the 
humanure method.
We tried it once at camp, it works fine, ANDREW WILL RETURN ODD JELLY.
-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
You can get coffee, showers, etc with the points on your fuel rewards card if 
you're a trucker.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Wow.
I guess the only truck stop I've ever showered in is Dysarts in Bangor, Maine 
and it was free... Used to stop midway during a 5 hour drive, made the last 
couple hours much more pleasant.
-Curt



On Friday, August 11, 2017, 2:09:26 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Last time I used a truck stop shower was over thirty years ago (am I THAT 
old?), while I was remodeling a bath room in a one bathroom home. I guess 
prices have went up since then. 

https://www.howmuchisit.org/truck-stop-showers-cost/

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Last time I used a truck stop shower was over thirty years ago (am I THAT 
old?), while I was remodeling a bath room in a one bathroom home. I guess 
prices have went up since then. 

https://www.howmuchisit.org/truck-stop-showers-cost/

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
$10 to shower? Thats highway robbery, thats what I'd expect to pay at the 
airport...
-Curt

On Friday, August 11, 2017, 1:56:04 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:38:15 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Shower at the truck stop ($1).

Around here it's more expensive than that. $10, IIRC.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Composting toilet, a 5gal bucket with wood shavings like you'd use for a 
hamster. Make your deposit, cover with wood shavings. When the bucket is full 
put it in a pile to compost. This is also known as the humanure method.
We tried it once at camp, it works fine, no smell. Outhouse is handier if you 
have the space.
-Curt

On Friday, August 11, 2017, 1:43:12 PM EDT, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Rick wrote:
> Creek, behind a tree, outhouse.
> Or
> Shower at the truck stop ($1). Wear flip flops, athletes feet sucks. Wally 
> World or Mickey D's turlets.

That works.
latrine hole ala outhouse
shower - good wash cloth navy style
DG

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 17:38:15 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Shower at the truck stop ($1).

Around here it's more expensive than that. $10, IIRC.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Massive holding tanks mounted under the semi trailer?

Plenty of room for huge fresh water tank, gray water tank, and black
tank...
Just keep a long list of available RV dump stations so you can evacuate the
black tank and flush it clean.  Should be able to "dry camp" for a month
between dumps... if you plan for it.

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> Rick wrote:
> > Creek, behind a tree, outhouse.
> > Or
> > Shower at the truck stop ($1). Wear flip flops, athletes feet sucks.
> Wally World or Mickey D's turlets.
>
> That works.
> latrine hole ala outhouse
> shower - good wash cloth navy style
> DG
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Rick wrote:
> Creek, behind a tree, outhouse.
> Or
> Shower at the truck stop ($1). Wear flip flops, athletes feet sucks. Wally 
> World or Mickey D's turlets.

That works.
latrine hole ala outhouse
shower - good wash cloth navy style
DG

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
DG sez:

>‎That's enough space. How does >plumbing happen?

Creek, behind a tree, outhouse. 
Or
Shower at the truck stop ($1). Wear flip flops, athletes feet sucks. Wally 
World or Mickey D's turlets. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
-- Jim wrote:
> 200ft^2 or under needs no building permit.  At least in WA, so I'm told by
> somebody who has done this.

That's enough space.  How does plumbing happen?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
200ft^2 or under needs no building permit.  At least in WA, so I'm told by
somebody who has done this.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On August 10, 2017 at 10:57 AM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>   SmartBlock
>   6 in. Concrete Core 84 lb. 60 in. H x 13.3 ft. L x 10 in. W
>   Insulated Concrete Forms (Bundle of 20)
>   $339.00 /bundle 
> 
> It would seem the dimensions given are for the section of wall the bundle
> can make.
> 
> Is that correct?
> 

I would assume so, but doing the math they come out small. 
You're not going to make 8' walls out of those for $50 a running foot as I 
usually expect. 

I'm used to seeing around $17-18 for 48x16, or 5 1/3 square feet of wall, like 
these:
https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/concrete-forms/fox-blocks-straight-block-with-4-core-insulated-concrete-form/p-123371782-c-5653.htm?tid=-6643571719091726347=1=3157

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-10 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Good info, thanks.  I kinda like the idea of having a fairly strong 
structure already built and dry, and the dimensions are quite spacious.  
Spray some foam on the walls with a bit of furring for wiring and yer 
good ta go.  I guess if one wanted to modify it a bit, a little cutting 
and welding or riveting or something would do the trick.


I was talking to a guy a coupla months ago who has a spray foam 
business, he said he does a lot of shipping containers like that, people 
use them for shops, offices, housing, etc, he said it works out well.


The other idea was to build on the low-boy, use SIPs for construction, 
with the wings it could go to 10-12ft wide, that would be quick and easy 
to get a structure up, a lot pre-fabbed in the shop, that could be about 
the same size or even bigger than your moving van trailer.


Or go the full route like you have, get the trailer and a tractor and 
outfit it and make a space for a car or two and toys and be completely 
mobile.


Musings...

--R


On 8/9/17 2:07 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 12:58:45 -0400 Rich Thomas via Mercedes
 wrote:


So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a
trailer that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.

Yup.



So then I was thinking one of those low-floor moving van trailers would
be even better, more headroom, loft space.

Yes. The inside height of most of our 51' drop-frame furniture van is
121". The front, where the trailer attaches to the tractor's fifth wheel
is 18" less than that (103").

We have added a deck and stairs to utilize the upper volume of our
trailer, so we can have boxes above and large things (like a car)
underneath.



Containers I think are up to 40ft for a double?

Yes, and you can get "high cube" containers, which are taller than
standard containers.



And some of those equipment trailers have wings that fold out to give
maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a larger "tiny"
house, I guess moving it would require some permit or something but
still...

Yes, you would need an oversize permit. Most likely something 12 feet
wide would be restricted to travel during daylight hours and also require
an escort vehicle.



So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking
maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a
bit higher?

Generally allowable height is 13' 6", though some states (like Texas)
allow them to be 14' high. Note that the driver is always responsible
for not hitting things.



I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a  pole to
hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge or
whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too
far you could get by with something taller?

You could, but then you get into all the permits/escort vehicle stuff.



My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there
would be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was
much better than your average single-wide.

I don't know how one would determine the size of the market. Build it and
they will come?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 08:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Ugh, flat roof. 
> 
> These walls cost about $50 a running foot, but they're fast and strong
> and well insulated:
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/SmartBlock-6-in-Concrete-Core-84-lb-60-in-H-x-13-3-ft-L-x-10-in-W-Insulated-Concrete-Forms-Bundle-of-20-12VWF6/203012853

That page says,

  SmartBlock
  6 in. Concrete Core 84 lb. 60 in. H x 13.3 ft. L x 10 in. W
  Insulated Concrete Forms (Bundle of 20)
  $339.00 /bundle 

It would seem the dimensions given are for the section of wall the bundle
can make.

Is that correct?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Ugh, flat roof. 

These walls cost about $50 a running foot, but they're fast and strong and well 
insulated:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/SmartBlock-6-in-Concrete-Core-84-lb-60-in-H-x-13-3-ft-L-x-10-in-W-Insulated-Concrete-Forms-Bundle-of-20-12VWF6/203012853
> On August 10, 2017 at 5:40 AM MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> This isn't on a trailer but it is about a little house. If that 
> could be scaled up to do larger houses then it might be really a 
> nice way to build a new house real quick. I wonder how they do 
> the insulation and how good that is. Looks like they might put it 
> in afterwards in the spaces left in the walls, or that space may 
> be used to fill with more concrete for greater strength.
> 
> http://inhabitat.com/a-10k-tiny-house-3d-printed-in-24-hours/
> 
> MG
> 
> Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
> > I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming 
> > popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer 
> > so they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of 
> > them are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel 
> > trailer or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda 
> > like them as they look more like a real house.
> > 
> > I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one 
> > on a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work 
> > better.  I see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 
> > axles, gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 
> > 8X16ft house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much 
> > like a narrower single-wide.
> > 
> > This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm 
> > guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage 
> > bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy, 
> > even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are 
> > like 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used 
> > for touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.
> > 
> > So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer 
> > that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the 
> > trailer is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like 
> > a shipping container, and people use containers to build houses now.  
> > Containers I think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or 
> > a container would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking 
> > one of those low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more 
> > headroom, loft space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a 
> > low-frame (or an equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars 
> > and breaks and what not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on 
> > that -- more size, more headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an 
> > old tractor to pull it around, or hire that job out, you could have a 
> > larger, nicer "tiny" house than a single-wide. And some of those 
> > equipment trailers have wings that fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for 
> > a wide load, so that would allow a larger "tiny" house, I guess moving 
> > it would require some permit or something but still...
> > 
> > So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking 
> > maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a 
> > bit higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a 
> > pole to hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge 
> > or whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too 
> > far you could get by with something taller?
> > 
> > My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would 
> > be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much 
> > better than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin 
> > in the woods, or even a starter home that would be less than buying from 
> > a developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could even be 
> > designed to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide or even 
> > with wings that went off the sides.
> > 
> > --R
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-10 Thread MG via Mercedes
This isn't on a trailer but it is about a little house. If that 
could be scaled up to do larger houses then it might be really a 
nice way to build a new house real quick. I wonder how they do 
the insulation and how good that is. Looks like they might put it 
in afterwards in the spaces left in the walls, or that space may 
be used to fill with more concrete for greater strength.


http://inhabitat.com/a-10k-tiny-house-3d-printed-in-24-hours/

MG

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming 
popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer 
so they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of 
them are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel 
trailer or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda 
like them as they look more like a real house.


I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one 
on a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work 
better.  I see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 
axles, gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 
8X16ft house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much 
like a narrower single-wide.


This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm 
guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage 
bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy, 
even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are 
like 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used 
for touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.


So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer 
that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the 
trailer is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like 
a shipping container, and people use containers to build houses now.  
Containers I think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or 
a container would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking 
one of those low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more 
headroom, loft space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a 
low-frame (or an equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars 
and breaks and what not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on 
that -- more size, more headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an 
old tractor to pull it around, or hire that job out, you could have a 
larger, nicer "tiny" house than a single-wide. And some of those 
equipment trailers have wings that fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for 
a wide load, so that would allow a larger "tiny" house, I guess moving 
it would require some permit or something but still...


So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking 
maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a 
bit higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a 
pole to hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge 
or whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too 
far you could get by with something taller?


My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would 
be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much 
better than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin 
in the woods, or even a starter home that would be less than buying from 
a developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could even be 
designed to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide or even 
with wings that went off the sides.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Donald wrote:
> I can't imagine being married for 15 (or more) years and then living in 600 
> sq. ft.

This widower thinks that space is just fine.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote:
> Yeah we need pics on that thing.  Pics of your whole setup so we can all
> drool on our keyboards.

Craig is what makes me drool.
Build space, rigs, time, $$, dry-clime, etc.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote:
> My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would be
> a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much better than
> your average single-wide.

TinyHouse fascinates me also.
Lemme be your test market owner / driver.
No $$ here but a wanna be show-off.
Rick has trailer maker next door heard on news today incapable of
filling employment needs - Fox River - saw that name on a neighbor's
$100k motohome.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Yeah I guess that is it.  But more of the idea that I could build one at 
someplace with a shop space, then move it somewhere onto some land.  Or 
buy some land, put up a nice metal building for a shop, then build it 
from that, out of the   Or sell it, or something, I don't know.  These 
are just musings after seeing stuff about these things, got me wondering 
if there might be a way to build a nicer, larger package that is not 
200ft2.  A 53' trailer could get 400ft2 easy, maybe more with a loft 
space for beds and storage and such.  And if you went to 10' or 12' 
(wide load for the times it moved) you could get 600ft2 which is a 
decent-sized space, and with lofts that would be very cool.  Much better 
than a regular house trailer or RV.


Oh well, ideas...

--R


On 8/9/17 2:11 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I keep noticing that your "tiny house" is growing with every paragraph -
sounds like you are talking yourself out of a tiny house - you just want
one that you can move . . .



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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes
Funny that you mention that.  A friend of mine allowed her niece to park a 
"tiny house" on her property and it caused a great big fight among the 
neighbors and county. 

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Tiny-house-stirs-up-big-controversy-in-Valley-Center-416994813.html

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: G Mann [mailto:g2ma...@gmail.com] 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

Just to feed your musings a bit.. one of the semi trailers I have is a 53'
low floor high cube dry van.. it uses 19.5 semi tires [sort of special], is 
8'6" wide, and inside height is 9" ft.

Make that work?  Perhaps a couple of "HGE" slide outs?

The HOA will bitch if you park it in your driveway... I'm sure... ;))


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming 
> popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer 
> so they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some 
> of them are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a 
> travel trailer or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, 
> I kinda like them as they look more like a real house.
>
> I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one 
> on a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work 
> better.  I see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 
> 3 axles, gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead 
> of a 8X16ft house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, 
> pretty much like a narrower single-wide.
>
> This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm 
> guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and 
> storage bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are 
> quite spendy, even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing 
> those things are like 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once 
> that bands used for touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble 
> bathroom etc.
>
> So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a 
> trailer that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm 
> guessing the trailer is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which 
> is kinda like a shipping container, and people use containers to build 
> houses now.  Containers I think are up to 40ft for a double?  So 
> either a trailer or a container would make a nice "tiny" house too.  
> So then I was thinking one of those low-floor moving van trailers 
> would be even better, more headroom, loft space.  Either buy an old 
> trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or an equipment hauler low 
> trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what not already in 
> place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size, more headroom, 
> etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it around, or 
> hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house than a 
> single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that fold 
> out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a 
> larger "tiny" house, I guess moving it would require some permit or something 
> but still...
>
> So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking 
> maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go 
> a bit higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a 
> pole to hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the 
> bridge or whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" 
> house too far you could get by with something taller?
>
> My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there 
> would be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was 
> much better than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or 
> cabin in the woods, or even a starter home that would be less than 
> buying from a developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could 
> even be designed to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide 
> or even with wings that went off the sides.
>
> --R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
If you shop the market for a bit, you should find a straight frame, 53 ft,
air ride suspension, trailer with "decent tires" for $8,000 or less.

Look for a trailer with an aluminum room, not fiberglass, also. Most of the
fleet haulers retire a trailer after 10 years or so. Expect to do the
brakes, wheel bearings, check the 5th wheel pin and plate for wear before
buying and over all condition.

Most used trailers on the market will have one of two types of rear doors..
garage door roll up, or barn door... expect damage to the doors as normal
on used trailer... New set of barn doors will cost you "around" $3,000
installed..[$1,500 each door. Drivers and loaders damage doors like they
were free by backing them into the dock with the doors not secured open.

102" width is max legal width for trailers.. anything wider takes a wide
load permit every time it's pulled down the road..

Good luck... therapy might be cheaper? ;))


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is what I was wondering about.  I see them used for $10-$25k on just
> a cursory search, price seems to depend on  tires, brakes, etc. but that
> wouldn't be a big deal if the unit is going to be mostly stationary.  I
> guess that "standard" height is probably about as tall as the trailer could
> be?  9ft inside height would probably put the overall height at 11ft or
> so?  No wait I see 13'6" overall height on some of these, not sure what
> floor height is. http://www.commercialtrucktrad
> er.com/Kentucky-Trailers-For-Sale/search-results?make=
> KENTUCKY%7C2312124=trailer there appear to be this manufacturers
> used ones readily available, I guess this is like yours?  Some of them have
> side doors already built in, you could put some nice slides in there, or
> sliding glass doors, or back another one up to the opening to make a side
> wing.
>
> I am going to talk myself into this idea...  get a workshop space and
> start building...
>
> Hey Max I wonder if Catherine would mind pulling a trailer up to the barn
> to start a build-out???
>
> --R
>
>
> On 8/9/17 1:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Just to feed your musings a bit.. one of the semi trailers I have is a 53'
>> low floor high cube dry van.. it uses 19.5 semi tires [sort of special],
>> is
>> 8'6" wide, and inside height is 9" ft.
>>
>> Make that work?  Perhaps a couple of "HGE" slide outs?
>>
>> The HOA will bitch if you park it in your driveway... I'm sure... ;))
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming
>>> popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer so
>>> they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of
>>> them
>>> are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel
>>> trailer
>>> or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda like them
>>> as they look more like a real house.
>>>
>>> I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one on
>>> a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work better.  I
>>> see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 axles,
>>> gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 8X16ft
>>> house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much like a
>>> narrower single-wide.
>>>
>>> This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm
>>> guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage
>>> bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy,
>>> even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are like
>>> 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used for
>>> touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.
>>>
>>> So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer
>>> that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the
>>> trailer
>>> is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like a
>>> shipping
>>> container, and people use containers to build houses now.  Containers I
>>> think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or a container
>>> would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking one of those
>>> low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more headroom, loft
>>> space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or
>>> an
>>> equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what
>>> not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size,
>>> more
>>> headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it
>>> around, or hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house
>>> than a single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that
>>> fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a

Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes
I saw a show on a young couple that bought an old school bus and turned it into 
a tiny house/RV.  They called it a tiny house, but it still had the 
engine/running gear so I would call it an RV.  They did it pretty well.  Wood 
floors, granite countertops, etc.   But, the only people I have ever seen 
living in the tiny houses are very young couples or a young person.  I can't 
imagine being married for 15 (or more) years and then living in 600 sq. ft.  I 
would be claustrophobic.  But, I guess if one is 25 years old and doesn't have 
a lot of stuff, it could be fun.   Most of the people I have seen that like are 
exceptionally organized.  I think you would have to be.  

My wife's dad bought an old school bus and turned it into an RV.  He didn't 
bother with a toilet or shower.  But, it did have a small sink and beds and 
some sort of generator to run everything. 

Don Snook 

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From: Rich Thomas [mailto:richthomas79td...@constructivity.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:59 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming popular.  
Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer so they can be 
moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of them are pretty nice, 
it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel trailer or something for 
cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda like them as they look more like 
a real house.

I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one on a 
larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work better.  I see 
these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 axles, gooseneck, so 
that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 8X16ft house you could have 
say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much like a narrower single-wide.

This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm guessing 
12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage bins underneath, 
big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy, even used ones are like 
$100k or more. I'm guessing those things are like 40ft long, so a lot of room.  
I rode in one once that bands used for touring, it was really nice, granite 
kitchen and marble bathroom etc.

So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer that 
said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the trailer is 8ft 
wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like a shipping container, 
and people use containers to build houses now.  
Containers I think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or a 
container would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking one of 
those low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more headroom, loft 
space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or an 
equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what not 
already in place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size, more 
headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it around, or 
hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house than a 
single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that fold out to 
give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a larger "tiny" 
house, I guess moving it would require some permit or something but still...

So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking maybe 
12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a bit higher?  
I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a pole to hit something 
before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge or whatever.  I guess if you 
weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too far you could get by with something 
taller?

My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would be a 
market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much better than your 
average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin in the woods, or even a 
starter home that would be less than buying from a developer or used, esp if 
someone had a lot?  They could even be designed to gang up to get a bigger 
house, like a double-wide or even with wings that went off the sides.

--R




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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:21:34 -0400 Rich Thomas via Mercedes
 wrote:

> http://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/Kentucky-Trailers-For-Sale/search-results?make=KENTUCKY%7C2312124=trailer
>  
> there appear to be this manufacturers used ones readily available

Our drop-frame furniture van was made by Kentucky.


> Some of them have side doors already built in, you could put some nice
> slides in there, or sliding glass doors, or back another one up to the
> opening to make a side wing.

Interesting ideas.

Our furniture van has 2 double doors roadside, 4 double doors curbside.
With the addition of an upper deck to ours, some of those doors are not
operable.

The upper deck is shown in photographs attached to my reply to your first
message, which has yet to be approved.


> I am going to talk myself into this idea...  get a workshop space and 
> start building...
> 
> Hey Max I wonder if Catherine would mind pulling a trailer up to the 
> barn to start a build-out???

Interesting -- ask her and find out ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Just saws this headline:
"People Are Seriously Regretting Buying Tiny Houses"
http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/home-and-garden/people-are-seriously-regretting-buying-tiny-houses/ar-AAoyvMj?li=BBnb7Kz

We lived in a 10X45 mobile home when we got married, and for another 10
months after our first child was born. It was fine, until the kids started
coming . . . .

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:11 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> I keep noticing that your "tiny house" is growing with every paragraph -
> sounds like you are talking yourself out of a tiny house - you just want
> one that you can move . . .
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming
>> popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer so
>> they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of them
>> are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel trailer
>> or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda like them
>> as they look more like a real house.
>>
>> I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one on
>> a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work better.  I
>> see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 axles,
>> gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 8X16ft
>> house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much like a
>> narrower single-wide.
>>
>> This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm
>> guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage
>> bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy,
>> even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are like
>> 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used for
>> touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.
>>
>> So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer
>> that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the trailer
>> is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like a shipping
>> container, and people use containers to build houses now.  Containers I
>> think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or a container
>> would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking one of those
>> low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more headroom, loft
>> space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or an
>> equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what
>> not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size, more
>> headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it
>> around, or hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house
>> than a single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that
>> fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a
>> larger "tiny" house, I guess moving it would require some permit or
>> something but still...
>>
>> So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking
>> maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a bit
>> higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a pole to
>> hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge or
>> whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too far you
>> could get by with something taller?
>>
>> My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would
>> be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much better
>> than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin in the
>> woods, or even a starter home that would be less than buying from a
>> developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could even be designed
>> to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide or even with wings
>> that went off the sides.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>
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>
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence for themselves."
>
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>



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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I keep noticing that your "tiny house" is growing with every paragraph -
sounds like you are talking yourself out of a tiny house - you just want
one that you can move . . .

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming
> popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer so
> they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of them
> are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel trailer
> or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda like them
> as they look more like a real house.
>
> I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one on
> a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work better.  I
> see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 axles,
> gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 8X16ft
> house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much like a
> narrower single-wide.
>
> This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm
> guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage
> bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy,
> even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are like
> 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used for
> touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.
>
> So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer
> that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the trailer
> is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like a shipping
> container, and people use containers to build houses now.  Containers I
> think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or a container
> would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking one of those
> low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more headroom, loft
> space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or an
> equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what
> not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size, more
> headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it
> around, or hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house
> than a single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that
> fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a
> larger "tiny" house, I guess moving it would require some permit or
> something but still...
>
> So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking
> maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a bit
> higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a pole to
> hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge or
> whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too far you
> could get by with something taller?
>
> My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would
> be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much better
> than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin in the
> woods, or even a starter home that would be less than buying from a
> developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could even be designed
> to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide or even with wings
> that went off the sides.
>
> --R
>
>
>
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
LOL, I think you need to wrap up some of your 126 projects before starting
another.

There's a tiny house on a trailer for sale on the street close to where I
work, looks totally cheap cheap to me, from the outside.

If I were to invest time & money on an alternate living arrangement, it
would be a large steel-hulled yacht.  I'd much prefer to be able to move
around the globe at will.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hey Max I wonder if Catherine would mind pulling a trailer up to the barn
> to start a build-out???
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Yeah we need pics on that thing.  Pics of your whole setup so we can all 
drool on our keyboards.


--R


On 8/9/17 1:16 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for asking. been busy building out the workshop at the Ranch..
120'X70'X14' eve height... once it's up... will attack the build full time.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


How's that MB bus coming along?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 

Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
This is what I was wondering about.  I see them used for $10-$25k on 
just a cursory search, price seems to depend on  tires, brakes, etc. but 
that wouldn't be a big deal if the unit is going to be mostly 
stationary.  I guess that "standard" height is probably about as tall as 
the trailer could be?  9ft inside height would probably put the overall 
height at 11ft or so?  No wait I see 13'6" overall height on some of 
these, not sure what floor height is. 
http://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/Kentucky-Trailers-For-Sale/search-results?make=KENTUCKY%7C2312124=trailer 
there appear to be this manufacturers used ones readily available, I 
guess this is like yours?  Some of them have side doors already built 
in, you could put some nice slides in there, or sliding glass doors, or 
back another one up to the opening to make a side wing.


I am going to talk myself into this idea...  get a workshop space and 
start building...


Hey Max I wonder if Catherine would mind pulling a trailer up to the 
barn to start a build-out???


--R


On 8/9/17 1:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Just to feed your musings a bit.. one of the semi trailers I have is a 53'
low floor high cube dry van.. it uses 19.5 semi tires [sort of special], is
8'6" wide, and inside height is 9" ft.

Make that work?  Perhaps a couple of "HGE" slide outs?

The HOA will bitch if you park it in your driveway... I'm sure... ;))


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming
popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer so
they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of them
are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel trailer
or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda like them
as they look more like a real house.

I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one on
a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work better.  I
see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 axles,
gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 8X16ft
house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much like a
narrower single-wide.

This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm
guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage
bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy,
even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are like
40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used for
touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.

So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer
that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the trailer
is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like a shipping
container, and people use containers to build houses now.  Containers I
think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or a container
would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking one of those
low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more headroom, loft
space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or an
equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what
not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size, more
headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it
around, or hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house
than a single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that
fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a
larger "tiny" house, I guess moving it would require some permit or
something but still...

So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking
maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a bit
higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a pole to
hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge or
whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too far you
could get by with something taller?

My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would
be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much better
than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin in the
woods, or even a starter home that would be less than buying from a
developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could even be designed
to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide or even with wings
that went off the sides.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Thanks for asking. been busy building out the workshop at the Ranch..
120'X70'X14' eve height... once it's up... will attack the build full time.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> How's that MB bus coming along?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Just to feed your musings a bit.. one of the semi trailers I have is a
> 53'
> > low floor high cube dry van.. it uses 19.5 semi tires [sort of special],
> is
> > 8'6" wide, and inside height is 9" ft.
> >
> > Make that work?  Perhaps a couple of "HGE" slide outs?
> >
> > The HOA will bitch if you park it in your driveway... I'm sure... ;))
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
BTW... I also have "one of those big buses" you mentioned... 40' long X
8'6" wide X 11:4" tall with huge baggage bays in the bottom, originally
configured for 53 passengers.. now being converted to a luxury apartment on
wheels...
Made by Mercedes.. so part of the "Mercedes fleet".

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Craig is way ahead of you, already has his commercial trunk driver's (CDL?)
> license, bought the truck and trailer, and is turning the trailer into a
> moving / storage thing.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming
> > popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer so
> > they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of
> them
> > are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel
> trailer
> > or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda like them
> > as they look more like a real house.
> >
> > I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one on
> > a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work better.  I
> > see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 axles,
> > gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 8X16ft
> > house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much like a
> > narrower single-wide.
> >
> > This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm
> > guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage
> > bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy,
> > even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are like
> > 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used for
> > touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.
> >
> > So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer
> > that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the
> trailer
> > is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like a
> shipping
> > container, and people use containers to build houses now.  Containers I
> > think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or a container
> > would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking one of those
> > low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more headroom, loft
> > space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or
> an
> > equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what
> > not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size,
> more
> > headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it
> > around, or hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house
> > than a single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that
> > fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a
> > larger "tiny" house, I guess moving it would require some permit or
> > something but still...
> >
> > So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking
> > maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a
> bit
> > higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a pole to
> > hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge or
> > whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too far
> you
> > could get by with something taller?
> >
> > My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would
> > be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much better
> > than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin in the
> > woods, or even a starter home that would be less than buying from a
> > developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could even be designed
> > to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide or even with wings
> > that went off the sides.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
How's that MB bus coming along?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Just to feed your musings a bit.. one of the semi trailers I have is a 53'
> low floor high cube dry van.. it uses 19.5 semi tires [sort of special], is
> 8'6" wide, and inside height is 9" ft.
>
> Make that work?  Perhaps a couple of "HGE" slide outs?
>
> The HOA will bitch if you park it in your driveway... I'm sure... ;))
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Just to feed your musings a bit.. one of the semi trailers I have is a 53'
low floor high cube dry van.. it uses 19.5 semi tires [sort of special], is
8'6" wide, and inside height is 9" ft.

Make that work?  Perhaps a couple of "HGE" slide outs?

The HOA will bitch if you park it in your driveway... I'm sure... ;))


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming
> popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer so
> they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of them
> are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel trailer
> or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda like them
> as they look more like a real house.
>
> I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one on
> a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work better.  I
> see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 axles,
> gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 8X16ft
> house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much like a
> narrower single-wide.
>
> This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm
> guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage
> bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy,
> even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are like
> 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used for
> touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.
>
> So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer
> that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the trailer
> is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like a shipping
> container, and people use containers to build houses now.  Containers I
> think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or a container
> would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking one of those
> low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more headroom, loft
> space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or an
> equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what
> not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size, more
> headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it
> around, or hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house
> than a single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that
> fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a
> larger "tiny" house, I guess moving it would require some permit or
> something but still...
>
> So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking
> maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a bit
> higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a pole to
> hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge or
> whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too far you
> could get by with something taller?
>
> My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would
> be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much better
> than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin in the
> woods, or even a starter home that would be less than buying from a
> developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could even be designed
> to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide or even with wings
> that went off the sides.
>
> --R
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Craig is way ahead of you, already has his commercial trunk driver's (CDL?)
license, bought the truck and trailer, and is turning the trailer into a
moving / storage thing.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have been sorta intrigued by these tiny houses that are becoming
> popular.  Most of them seem to be built on like a 16ft utility trailer so
> they can be moved around to a semi-permanent location.  While some of them
> are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a travel trailer
> or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda like them
> as they look more like a real house.
>
> I got to thinking about the size issue and it seemed that building one on
> a larger trailer, like a 3-car hauler or something, would work better.  I
> see these things that will haul 19k lb, they sit kinda low, 3 axles,
> gooseneck, so that seems like a better kind of deal, instead of a 8X16ft
> house you could have say a 8X32ft house on a trailer, pretty much like a
> narrower single-wide.
>
> This morning I saw this big bus motor home RV thing, it was HUGE!  I'm
> guessing 12ft tall anyway, probably has 8ft headroom inside and storage
> bins underneath, big pusher dizzel engine.  But those are quite spendy,
> even used ones are like $100k or more. I'm guessing those things are like
> 40ft long, so a lot of room.  I rode in one once that bands used for
> touring, it was really nice, granite kitchen and marble bathroom etc.
>
> So then I was driving home and was sitting next to a semi with a trailer
> that said "53ft" on the side, that is pretty big.  I'm guessing the trailer
> is 8ft wide, and maybe 8ft headroom inside, which is kinda like a shipping
> container, and people use containers to build houses now.  Containers I
> think are up to 40ft for a double?  So either a trailer or a container
> would make a nice "tiny" house too.  So then I was thinking one of those
> low-floor moving van trailers would be even better, more headroom, loft
> space.  Either buy an old trailer and fix it up, or buy a low-frame (or an
> equipment hauler low trailer) with the axles and tars and breaks and what
> not already in place, then build a "tiny" house on that -- more size, more
> headroom, etc.  And even if you had to buy an old tractor to pull it
> around, or hire that job out, you could have a larger, nicer "tiny" house
> than a single-wide. And some of those equipment trailers have wings that
> fold out to give maybe 12ft wide for a wide load, so that would allow a
> larger "tiny" house, I guess moving it would require some permit or
> something but still...
>
> So that got me thinking about how tall a trailer can be, I'm thinking
> maybe 12ft max to clear bridges and stuff on the road, or can they go a bit
> higher?  I see those big trailers driving with a pace car with a pole to
> hit something before the truck would, and warn it off the bridge or
> whatever.  I guess if you weren't hauling a taller "tiny" house too far you
> could get by with something taller?
>
> My lunch-time musings, but ideas accepted.  I'm wondering if there would
> be a market for larger "tiny" houses built to a spec that was much better
> than your average single-wide.  Make a good lake house, or cabin in the
> woods, or even a starter home that would be less than buying from a
> developer or used, esp if someone had a lot?  They could even be designed
> to gang up to get a bigger house, like a double-wide or even with wings
> that went off the sides.
>
> --R
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tractor/trailer trailer size

2017-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Travel trailers are made out of aluminum foil and spit. The REQUIRE lots of 
maintenance and when the roof leaks they're quickly ruined. Notice how I didn't 
put "if" the roof leaks?You can get travel trailers cheap cheap, sometimes 
people will pay you to take them away...

-Curt

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While some of them are pretty nice, it kinda makes me wonder why not just buy a 
travel 
trailer or something for cheap and live in that.  But whatever, I kinda 
like them as they look more like a real house.

   
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