Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-12 Thread Mitch Haley
G Mann wrote: At this time, it certainly appears the crew was far behind the aircraft and failed first to recognize it was out of control, then second, to take corrective and effective action in a timely manner to regain control.. to little, way to late. You're saying that 7 seconds may be a

Re: [MBZ] College rebuilds

2013-07-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: Wow! 51 VW! I always thought my 56 Karmann Ghia was prehistoric. Yours is even earlier. Now while I love my 40 + year old car, when I was a kid, a 40 year old car was a Model A. Not many people drove a model A then. We did have a neighbor who drove his Model T, and it

Re: [MBZ] College rebuilds

2013-07-12 Thread MG
Now that's the way to learn! I had to do my 48 or 49 can't remember Dodge Coronet engine in the car. OK it is a bit heavier. Bad part is when I got done and it ran he sold the thing to the garbage man for $50. It would have been another 2 years till I could get my learners permit and license

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-12 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: You're saying that 7 seconds may be a long time in a F-16, but it isn't even enough time to increase thrust in a 777? (I was going to say 172, then realized that there doesn't seem to be such a thing as light aircraft in ROK) I think I read that the

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-12 Thread Curt Raymond
Yeahbut with my plan I'll have the ability to take this setup to any car at any time just by pulling the adapter and moving to a different car. The insides of the adapter are really simple, theres a circuit board with 2 wires that go to the inputs. I cut the circuit board out and will crimp

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-12 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview

2013-07-12 Thread Rich Thomas
You also want to ask him for any other possibilities he might be aware of in other companies, and perhaps for a referral. Sounds like you are progressing. --R On 7/12/13 12:34 AM, Craig wrote: Thank you all for your prayers and for your interest in my situation. I prepared for the

Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview

2013-07-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So, the interview was a worthwhile experience I enjoyed; it taught me more about the need for fit in a position. The folks at Nokomis were impressed by my CV (and even called me because of it) but the fit just wasn't there.

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-12 Thread G Mann
Exactly. Landing a large aircraft is really a math exercise. Horizontal velocity vs vertical velocity versus lift generated/thrust applied. Add cross wind component and density altitude [how thick is the air to produce lift]. With the 777 approach speed of approx 175 mph and a sink rate of,

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? The thick c- and d-pillars are not the only problem. The

Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize

2013-07-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
To come up with such an amazing design is an act of sheer genius by a team of 21st century Leonardos.. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: FYI --

Re: [MBZ] College rebuilds

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
I actually owned two '51 VWs for awhile, one was the delux model, the other was the standard. The difference was hydraulic vs. mechanical brakes and the aluminum trim strips on the delux. While I was rebuilding the VW, a friend and his father were restoring a Model A - I think he still has it.

[MBZ] Benz for Sale

2013-07-12 Thread Frederick Moir
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23275089   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview

2013-07-12 Thread WILTON
A good learning experience, anyway, even if it doesn't directly produce and offer. 'Good prep for the next one. 'Hope all goes well. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 12:34 AM Subject: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
Probably due to wind resistance (CoD), lower = more mpg. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the

[MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread MG
Does anyone know if there is an electric fan clutch available for the 617 engine? Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
Yup, thinking out-side-the-box. Long, thin, slow wings are the most efficient, and more is usually better --- Engineering the structure to hold it all together and to effeciently transfer the energy from the bike crank to the blades is what amazes me. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Andrew

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-12 Thread WILTON
'Zackly why ya gotta stay on top of airspeed and altitude ALL the time, especially at such a critical time as descent, approach, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013

Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview

2013-07-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: You also want to ask him for any other possibilities he might be aware of in other companies, and perhaps for a referral. After the kiss off letter from the company, right? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a

Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize

2013-07-12 Thread Benz Hogs
That's pretty sweet from a cyclist point of view. They're using some pretty expensive technology in the cockpit, around $3,000 worth of carbon fiber from Cervelo and others. Nice. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/11/2013 10:21 PM, OK Don wrote: FYI --

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Curt Raymond
I think the latest generation Jetta/Passat is about the best you can get but still not great. -Curt Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220? Message-ID:    

Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize

2013-07-12 Thread dseretakis
Very elegant Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's pretty sweet from a cyclist point of view. They're using some pretty expensive technology in the cockpit, around $3,000 worth of carbon fiber from Cervelo and others. Nice.

Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview

2013-07-12 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, in this case he had a good conversation with the guy, who appeared genuinely interested in his abilities and was trying to think of how he would fit in the company. So, if not that company, maybe the guy had some other contacts. Most jobs come from networking, so that is one way to do

[MBZ] OT Some good Jagyoowahh noises

2013-07-12 Thread Rich Thomas
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/07/jaguar-project-7/?viewall=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-12 Thread Scott Ritchey
I have a voltmeter very similar to the one from Wal-Mart. I observe that it is not particularly accurate and the reading is off by a good bit if the meter is hot (like sitting in a closed car). Still, it's convenient. MMM wrote: I use one of these widgets:    

Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize

2013-07-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Hey DImitri, If you still need a rear caliper I have at least one spare next time you're around here. We can barter. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Very elegant Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
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[MBZ] 240D

2013-07-12 Thread Randy Bennell
1980 240D - chocolate brown with white - (parchment?) upholstery manual transmission and hand crank windows advertised locally with about 235K miles on it photos look nice no mention of AC so that might be bad news reasonable price? ___

Re: [MBZ] Benz for Sale

2013-07-12 Thread Dwight Giles
Did you bid? On Friday, July 12, 2013, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23275089 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 9:50 AM -0400 7/12/13, Rich Thomas wrote: Cheepchineechit meter for cars http://dx.com/p/mini-digital-blue-red-led-dc-current-meter-voltmeter-w-ampere-shunt-219592?utm_source=dxutm_medium=edmutm_campaign=20130711updatenewarrivals What self-respecting Benz owner is gonna mount THAT on the

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Dieselhead
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a

Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview

2013-07-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: Well, in this case he had a good conversation with the guy, who appeared genuinely interested in his abilities and was trying to think of how he would fit in the company. So, if not that company, maybe the guy had some other contacts. Most jobs come from networking, so

Re: [MBZ] Benz for Sale

2013-07-12 Thread Frederick Moir
If wishes were horses (Benz) , the poor would ride   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Benz for Sale Did

[MBZ] OT: More on Asiana SFO flight

2013-07-12 Thread Craig
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/12/teen-in-asiana-crash-hit-by-fire-truck-police-say/?test=latestnews The NTSB's investigation is being followed closely by pilots in the U.S. and around the world. At one gathering of pilots in Dallas Wednesday night, the discussion centered on why

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread Randy Bennell
On 11/07/2013 11:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Jul 11, 2013 8:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. Does any

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-12 Thread Randy Bennell
Boy you guys are critcal. They flew this great big plane all the way accross the bloody Pacific and got to the correct airport and runway. They only missed by what, 25 feet or so? If they had managed to clear the landing gear they likely could have set it down. Think how much worse things

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread Craig
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:40:54 -0400 MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know if there is an electric fan clutch available for the 617 engine? I have never heard of one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-12 Thread WILTON
I think they mostly sat and dozed across the pacific - the far greater part of it on auto-everything - autopilot, autonav, autocruise, altitude hold, autothrottle, etc. I doubt very seriously that they did much real flying of the aircraft on the entire trip. Wilton - Original Message

Re: [MBZ] 240D

2013-07-12 Thread Curt Raymond
Condition is everything. My '78 was the opposite of that one, white outside chocolate brown interior. I paid $1500 with maybe 10k fewer miles and non-working AC that just needed a hose and a drier. Today prices are higher, $1500 doesn't buy a car that will pass MA inspection, for that you're

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-12 Thread Rich Thomas
Read that thing I posted about the flight instructor's experience in Korea, and the more general statement that thousands of hours of flight time might be a small fraction of actual flying time. Not that sitting with your hand on the stick for 12 hours across the ocean would be a great bit of

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-12 Thread WILTON
'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Read that thing I posted

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
Yup, the rear view from the Pasat is not as good as the 124s it replaced, but might be a bit better than the new C class we drove last year before buying the Passat. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the latest generation Jetta/Passat is about

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the entire fan with an electric fan or two mounted where the fan shroud is now. Then you can control it electrically all you want :-) On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri,

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 7:04 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the entire fan with an electric fan or two mounted where the fan shroud is now. Then you can control it electrically all you want :-) Speaking of which, Don, I wanna wire

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread Dan Penoff
Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 12, 2013, at 8:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:04 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Good idea. Where dat? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread Craig
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:20:21 -0500 M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Good idea. Where dat? Considering the vintage of your car, look for the cylinderical thing in the

[MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash

2013-07-12 Thread Dan Penoff
Interesting update from KTVU: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/asiana-pilots-fake-names-racist_n_3588569.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:20:21 -0500 M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp

[MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-12 Thread OK Don
Secret message to MMM - how is the car doing, other than a potential heating issue, if I'm reading between the lines correctly about the aux fan??? -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread Chris James
Yes, the 4cyl cars were the only ones to have the electromechanical fan clutch (starting with the 190E 2.3 190D 2.2 here in the US.). Just buy a new fan clutch for your OM617, instead of trying to re-engineer the car be done with itAre you currently having cooling issues? On

Re: [MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash

2013-07-12 Thread Allan Streib
Ho Lee F** indeed!!! And people in the media wonder why nobody takes them seriously anymore?? On Fri, Jul 12, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Interesting update from KTVU: [1]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/asiana-pilots-fake-names-ra

Re: [MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash

2013-07-12 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Ho Lee F** indeed!!! And people in the media wonder why nobody takes them seriously anymore?? This sums it up... http://youtu.be/46bBWBG9r2o Rick Sent from my iPhone ___

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are for the fan? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To