Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Yeah I thought of putting in an all electric fan, even have two different ones to try but I wanted to explore the possibility of using a part that fit right in. If none of the 617s ever had an electric fan clutch then I will be on the lookout for one on the 601 in the upull. Do you know if

Re: [MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash

2013-07-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: Ho Lee F** indeed!!! And people in the media wonder why nobody takes them seriously anymore?? The NTSB was the source of the list. Too bad nobody at KTVU thinks when they read news items. Some friends of mine got fired from their internships for emailing each other

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Did some more looking. Looks like the 601-602 have a completely electric fan. I wanted to try and find a fan with an electric clutch like the AC compressor that would bolt to the water pump in place of the viscous coupling there now. Don't know if there is one like that on any of the Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
All I could see for the 190s is the all electric fan, no clutch there at all. Have been having slightly higher then normal temps in the summer ever since I did a cooling system flush and installed a new thermostat (up to 100 at first and 110 now in Fl with AC at high speeds or around town

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Dave in SoCal
On Jul 12, 2013, at 9:21 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are for the fan? -MMM- Looked into this awhile back for my W123s. Cleanest

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 9:41 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: Secret message to MMM - how is the car doing, other than a potential heating issue, if I'm reading between the lines correctly about the aux fan??? Choogling along nicely. Have repainted in Astral Silver.

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
Probably not...  They're VERY rare and command some money. New they're like $300+. As installed on a 601 I've never been really happy with them as they don't turn on until the engine is quite hot. I've thought about sneaking a lower temp sensor (there are 3, one for the gauge, one for the fan

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
Untrue, 601 uses an electromagnetic fan clutch as previously discussed. -Curt Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:33:34 -0400 From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch Message-ID: 51e13b0e.50...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
I don't think high temps at speed is a bad fan clutch, once you're up to speed the ram air through the radiator means the fan isn't doing a whole lot. High temps at low speeds is possibly the fan clutch... -Curt Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:49:22 -0400 From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com To: 

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Dr. Fatty has an early 617 URO fan clutch for $80, the later is a Behr which is $300+ Autohaus AZ has the behr for 160. Benzpartsforless has oe for 300 something. Rick Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 9:29 AM -0500 7/13/13, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: At 9:41 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: Secret message to MMM - how is the car doing, other than a potential heating issue, if I'm reading between the lines correctly about the aux fan??? Just checked the fan clutch. So shot, it ain't

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-13 Thread Rich Thomas
An old friend sent this around, it might be internet BS but he does know a lot of people who know a lot of people with military/intel/aviation backgrounds, so I tend to think it is probably closer to true than not. But YMMV. --R For how many years did we hear some of this in CRM? From a

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-13 Thread Rich Thomas
The section on setting the slop (33-300) says Place tester on front wheel hub and set dial guage to approx. 2mm preload but then it says under Data Wheel bearing end play 0.01-0.02 with no units --R On 7/8/13 7:53 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Rich, You better check that spec

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Fmiser
At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are for the fan? Dave wrote: Looked into this awhile back for my W123s. Cleanest method I

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-13 Thread Craig
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:29:17 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On 7/8/13 7:53 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Rich, You better check that spec again2mm is way too loose. Mike The section on setting the slop (33-300) says Place tester on front wheel

Re: [MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash

2013-07-13 Thread G Mann
As a student of history, I recall there was a time when public flogging and a turn in the public stocks with a sign over your head stating your sin against humanity was not considered either cruel or unusual, but the standard of society. Have we now out civilized ourselves to the point of self

[MBZ] w140 OR w220 UPDATE

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Sasser
Thanks everyone who responded to my query about experiences with either or both S classes. Seems the consensus is that the w140 is the way to go, even though (at least to me) the w220 is just jam packed with features some of which are now standard on Kia! Gotta go searching now, I hear the

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 UPDATE

2013-07-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Joe Sasser joesas...@mac.com wrote: Gotta go searching now, I hear the West Coast calling for affordable w140s. It sure is! I live near Portland and have family in the SF Bay area, so I have a good excuse to search Craigslist down there---if I find a nice

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-13 Thread Rich Thomas
Yeah I am going to go do that later this afternoon, looks like maybe the rain has stopped for awhile. I was all confused... --R On 7/13/13 12:47 PM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:29:17 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: On 7/8/13 7:53 AM, Michael Canfield

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread OK Don
Hmmm - I replaced the original with a new one, should be in the records, if Kaleb gave them to you. Long out of warranty though --- On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:54 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.comwrote: At 9:29 AM -0500 7/13/13, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: At 9:41 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 12:41 PM -0500 7/13/13, OK Don wrote: Hmmm - I replaced the original with a new one, should be in the records, if Kaleb gave them to you. Long out of warranty though --- (nods) Was running close to the red line yesterday in stop and go traffic (temps outside a bit above 90), so I did the

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread Dan Penoff
Get to your closest RC hobby store (probably the same place you get your model railroading supplies) and buy a bottle of synthetic 10,000 weight differential oil. Remove the clutch, remove the bimetallic spring, and carefully lift the pin out that is underneath. Spend a few hours dripping oil

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-13 Thread Craig
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:33:21 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yeah I am going to go do that later this afternoon, looks like maybe the rain has stopped for awhile. I was all confused... Don't worry about it, it happens to us all. Craig On 7/13/13 12:47 PM,

[MBZ] W124 Noise Panels (and Shift Lever Repair)

2013-07-13 Thread Larry T
Hi Gang, Well, I made the special tool ya'll described touse to install the grommet into the shift lever. After 3 hours of watching the grommet mushroom as I put more and more pressure on it ,I finally gave up. I don't know what I was doing wrong but after 3 hours I decided this was not

[MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have been jacking around with this 95 e300 for a couple of weeks. Ac is charged and compressor kicks in when 5 and 7 at Klima are jumped. I have run thru test in manual and my suspect is pbu not working because I am not getting 12 volts at the pressure switch or what is it pin 10 on tr Klima?

Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124

2013-07-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have one that I guess is the official tool it's a pair of long pliers you put the bushing on one side, put it over the lever squeeze the pliers and it pops right in, takes just a second to do. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:37 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I actually found

[MBZ] Cooling information from past posts

2013-07-13 Thread Craig
In light of the recent traffic on cooling systems and fan clutches ... == From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List merce...@striplin.net Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List merce...@striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread clay
There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on this car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the gee-gaws, my car is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled seats, massaging chairs, heated rear chairs, rear controlled AC, automagic window

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: There is a treasure trove of items that can fail in a most costly way on this car. Gladly, though I was drooling upon reading about all the gee-gaws, my car is not option packed. Distronic, parktronic, cooled seats, massaging

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?

2013-07-13 Thread clay
I am really amazed at the visibility the R107 has with the top down. Sitting in a few other newer drop tops, the rear is too high to see out of. clay On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Peter Frederick
There are usually two sets of wires -- one for a low refrigerant pressure switch (to save the compressor if the freon leaks out) and a pressure or temperature switch to kick the auxillary fan in on low speed. If you short the two wires for the fan switch together with the ignition on and

[MBZ] 240D success!

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D. You'll remember thats the one where the exhaust was blowing the coolant back out of the engine. Some of the bolts were still tight but some needed a little

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Peter Frederick
The KLIMA Is probably bad -- the signal goes from the PBCU to the KLIMA to the low pressure switch on the receiver/dryer. If the KLIMA relay has burned contact, it won't switch the compressor on no matter what you do as the clutch current goes only through that relay contact set. Check

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 UPDATE

2013-07-13 Thread clay
Late model W140 would have been my choice instead of the W220. SWMBA wanted newer, so I end up with those bells and whistles, instead of a properly appointed ride. An expense and quality issue for me. The w220 just feels cheezy compared to the w124. Fuzzy crap instead of MB-tex or leather

Re: [MBZ] 240D success!

2013-07-13 Thread OK Don
ATTABOY!!! This is a manual tranny car isn't it? If so, the spring loaded thing in the accelerator linkage is to help prevent bunny hops when starting from a dead stop - usually a problem for those not accomplished at driving a standard, IIRC. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Curt Raymond

Re: [MBZ] 240D success!

2013-07-13 Thread Craig
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread clay
There were far too many black on black opportunities. Victor has a parchment interior on black. Seats are pierced leather and could probably be retrofitted to fan cooled. Early w220 had the seats, the w210s do not. clay On Jul 13, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Sat, Jul 13,

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have also tried about or 5 different klimas also. One out of my other 95 and several out of 2.5 that I know work in those cars but do have the 12th pin for temp sensor cutout that the 95 does not. I pulled the Klima apart and I do not see anything that appears burned. In prep for the test it

Re: [MBZ] 240D success!

2013-07-13 Thread WILTON
ATTABOY acomin'. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D success! So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but last weekend

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 2:31 PM -0400 7/13/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Get to your closest RC hobby store (probably the same place you get your model railroading supplies) and buy a bottle of synthetic 10,000 weight differential oil. Remove the clutch, remove the bimetallic spring, and carefully lift the pin out that

Re: [MBZ] 240D success!

2013-07-13 Thread WILTON
'First thing I did to my 123's and 126 when I got 'em home was to remove that stiff coil spring in the throttle linage immediately behind the engine that made the accelerator operation really stiff. Yeah, yeah, I know, if MB engineers hadn't thought it was necessary, they wouldn't have put it

Re: [MBZ] 240D success!

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
Seems to have worked too, I just took the car for 10 more miles and it behaved much more like it ought to, had all the get up and go I'd expect for 72hp. I even ran the AC for the whole time and it still managed to climb the hill to get back home. I have to go to California tomorrow, when I get

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Ah well that is what I was worrying about. I was hoping for more like $140 to $160 range. As far as the turn on point as long as it turned on in the 95 to 100 range it would be fine with me. I already have a URO clutch on the way for $47 and a thermo for $16. If that doesn't do it then I

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Yeah. That's why I was thinking of the thermo as the first part to change. If that doesn't work then the next easiest is the fan clutch, then the radiator. As far as the electro magnetic fan fan clutch. What year and model car is that? I looked at the 190D with 601 and it showed what looked

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread OK Don
Oops - that quote should be attributed to Craig. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 5:18 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If you are saying that the fan keeps turning after you shut off the engine, then you are seeing the failure mode. From another post this morning: Actually, the MB test for the

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread OK Don
If you are saying that the fan keeps turning after you shut off the engine, then you are seeing the failure mode. From another post this morning: Actually, the MB test for the fan clutch is even easier -- with engine hot (so the clutch should be engaged), shut the engine off. If the fan rotates

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread MG
Silly boy don't you know all those expensive repairs are to keep people from hitting any bunnies. :-) Manfred Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:01:24 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net I attended a MBCA club event to the body shop. All the gimcrackery hooked to the front bumpers of the newer

Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220 or fix the 126?

2013-07-13 Thread clay
Tell that to my mother. She is the Auschwitz of cotton-tailed populations of PNW. At least she takes them out in a japanese car. Costs less to fix it up clay On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:26 PM, MG wrote: Silly boy don't you know all those expensive repairs are to keep people from hitting any

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread Craig
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 17:18:41 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Oops - that quote should be attributed to Craig. I was only the one who posted an old message to the list today. The quote with source is: == From: Peter Frederick

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 5:18 PM -0500 7/13/13, OK Don wrote: If you are saying that the fan keeps turning after you shut off the engine, then you are seeing the failure mode. From another post this morning: No, I tried stopping the fan with a rolled up newspaper, and it kept going. The clutch seems to be working

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Chris James
I think if I remember correctly from my 190D, the main fan was engaged at 100C cut off once the temp lowered to around 90C-95C. High speed aux was set to trigger at 110C. Perhaps you have a bad or incorrect temp switch installed? On 7/13/2013 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: As installed on

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Chris James
I wondered why they didn't put electric clutches on the larger engined cars. They are pretty neat perhaps offer better control of engine temps with a defined on-off signal from the temp switch. Looked at a W116 300SD for sale once. The owner said he had bolted the fan to the clutch?, so it

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Peter Frederick
The PBCU provides a ground to the voltage signal, so I suspect you don't have voltage at the switch due to a failed wire somewhere between the battery and the pressure switch. I almost forgot -- some engines are equipped with a wide open throttle switch to disconnect the AC compressor at

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Ye gods that's an old post! If the fan spins much at all after the engine stops when hot, the clutch has failed. Ditto for spinning up briefly when cold, as the oil has to be spun out of the working space after sitting overnight. Reminds me I need to check the clutch in the TE again, it's

Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch

2013-07-13 Thread Curt Raymond
The OM601 was only in the US for '84 and '85 in the 190D. It had both an electromagnetic fan clutch on the engine powered fan and an added electric fan in front of the condenser which only comes on when the AC is on. See Dr. Fatty here: 

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Dieselhead
The KLIMA Is probably bad -- the signal goes from the PBCU to the KLIMA to the low pressure switch on the receiver/dryer. If the KLIMA relay has burned contact, it won't switch the compressor on no matter what you do as the clutch current goes only through that relay contact set. Check the

Re: [MBZ] 240D success!

2013-07-13 Thread Dieselhead
ATTAboy! Those linkages are not complex, but if the bellcrank bushing under the intake manifold is worn, your go pedal won't make it go! So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D. You'll remember

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread Craig
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 19:33:18 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Ye gods that's an old post! I could have quoted one from 2000, but yours was the one that seemed to fill the bill. Reminds me I need to check the clutch in the TE again, it's been running hot in traffic again.

[MBZ] Euro W126 500SEL on CL

2013-07-13 Thread Chris James
Came across this interesting gray market 500SEL on CL tonight. What caught my eye was the fact it's sitting so low at all for corners, I'm guessing it has the full Hydropneumatic suspension option! It would have to be earlier then '87 though, due to the heated seat switch locations style of the

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Peter Frederick
I've only seen one failed KLIMA so far, but it was in the car where the clutch coil shorted. Burned the internal relay contacts. They can also start to leak and get corroded, but failure is no more common than other failures in MB relays. Peter ___

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I checked for cont between the switch and pin 10 of Klima, it was good, pin 1 and ground, it was good, switch and pin 7 I believe of pbu it was good. Pin 13 at pbu is power I believe, if I put positive there and neg pin 7 I show less than a volt, like .6 or something. I even ran a test wire

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Car leasing, you only need to make it more or less last a couple years and it can be dumped. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I had one clutch fail, but have had many klimas fail. This one has me baffled. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The KLIMA Is probably bad -- the signal goes from the PBCU to the KLIMA to the low pressure switch on the receiver/dryer. If

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I was something online about a failed Klima, having a couple of small relays inside the box, remove the cover and clean the contacts. I pulled the cover off this one and I do not see anything that looks like mini relays, it's all computer circuit. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2013, at 9:36

Re: [MBZ] 450SLC

2013-07-13 Thread Craig
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:33:37 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 19:33:18 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Ye gods that's an old post! How about a couple from der Dieseling Doktor?

Re: [MBZ] 240D success!

2013-07-13 Thread dseretakis
Or you could drive it to California and really see how good of a job you did:) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Seems to have worked too, I just took the car for 10 more miles and it behaved much more like it ought to, had all the get

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Peter Frederick
You might try grounding the low pressure switch wire that goes to the KLIMA with the engine running. This should engage the compressor if the KLIMA is good as the only signal to the KLIMA from the PBCU is a ground. If it does not come on, there is something wrong with the KLIMA or

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I will give that a try tomorrow. If it runs I assume it indicates what? The pbu or wire between it and the switch is bad or wire to Klima is bad or what? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: You might try grounding the low pressure

Re: [MBZ] Why is my ac not working?

2013-07-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Ps with the wire jumpers between 5 and 7 at the Klima compressor runs. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: You might try grounding the low pressure switch wire that goes to the KLIMA with the engine running. This should engage the