Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
They are WAY overpriced. Better off just buying a 300TE instead and saving alot of cash. carbucks wrote: Hi, While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some list wisdom on fair market value for

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-14 Thread Mitch Haley
carbucks wrote: Sounds like you got a lemon. Sold both my 2000 Jetta TDI and 2004 Golf TDI after a couple of years of ownership and no maintenance hassle for just slightly below what I paid for them new (exempting taxes). That's exactly my problem with them. Asking prices for 3-4 year old

[MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread carbucks
Hi, While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. Here's what I've discovered so far. NADA ranges from $3950 to $8600 Original

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread John Robbins
carbucks wrote: While I've been happy with my 85 and 83 300SDs, they don't suit our lifestyle with the dog. Been researching the 87 300td. Looking for some list wisdom on fair market value for one in good to excellent condition. Here's what I've discovered so far. There were less than 2000

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread John Robbins
carbucks wrote: So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the Benz. Do you do

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread dave walton
You might want to figure in to your equation that you can get early 90's E320 gas wagons in pristine condition for ~$2k. They will have all wheel drive too. They take premium. -Dave Walton On Feb 13, 2008 2:16 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, John. Nice looking TD. Fuel is the

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread carbucks
Thanks, John. Nice looking TD. Fuel is the other cost I'm factoring in. According to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/3565.shtml the 300td will get up to 25 mpg and for 15000 annual miles @ $3/gal cost you $2239 per year. For a few thousand more, I can pick up a Jetta Wagon TDI

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread R A Bennell
There is also a Passat wagon which would be a bit bigger than the Jetta. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices I

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread dave walton
I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from hell. I much prefer working on Mercedes. You need a computer just to check the transmission fluid level. The VW's are very light and tinny in my opinion. Although with 6 air bags they might have a safety advantage depending on the

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 13, 2008 11:33 AM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. They get similar fuel mileage to the older diesels and have better performance. The 300SDs are fine on the highway, but have trouble keeping up with some city traffic. Martin, have you driven an early-'90s diesel Jetta

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread carbucks
Good point. They get similar fuel mileage to the older diesels and have better performance. The 300SDs are fine on the highway, but have trouble keeping up with some city traffic. Martin dave walton wrote: You might want to figure in to your equation that you can get early 90's E320 gas

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread carbucks
I do my own. Have two 300SDs. What I'm finding is they are taking up more and more of my time. I've had both VWs and Mercedes as well as BMWs. They share a number of qualities. The VWs are less expensive to maintain and very few get close to their mpg. Martin John Robbins wrote: Do you do

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 13, 2008 11:45 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from hell. Wouldn't that be true of any kind of drivetrain work on a front-wheel-drive car, though? Everything's all jammed up together under the hood, after all, not

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread dave walton
Lack of space. I finally found a use for those stubby drivers that have been sitting in my toolbox unused. The 4Matic MB has much more space, but it is just bigger all around. -Dave Walton On Feb 13, 2008 3:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 13, 2008 11:45 AM, dave walton

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Zeitgeist
Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator RR for the S124. My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and fun to drive car. Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the TD. I think I keep the Merc for purely

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Allan Streib
carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So paying $10k for a twenty plus year old car that only gets about half the fuel mileage of a five year old Jetta does not add up. Factor in rising fuel costs as well as the higher costs to maintain the Benz and the arithmetic is even less in favor of the

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Allan Streib
Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator RR for the S124. My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and fun to drive car. Much cheaper to keep than my Mercedes--damn, my Vanagon is even a helluva lot cheaper to run than the

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Kevin
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 04:08:45PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Price a set of rear SLS legs, or #22 head, or evaporator RR for the S124. My '96 Passat tdi was a rock-solid reliable, economical and fun to drive car. Much cheaper to keep than my

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Allan Streib
Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having W123, W124, W201, and an A2 jetta, the jetta blows them all away in terms of how cheap it is to keep on the road. The W123 was a neglected car, so it's probably not a fair comparison. The W124 and S124 were far FAR more expensive than them all. I had an

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread carbucks
Hi Alex, I've had both a 2000 Jetta TDI and a 2004 Golf TDI . Much preferred the Golf. Bought it new in the east (cheaper there) and drove it across the country. In 2004 they got a bump in horsepower. That engine has about the same amount of torque as the VR6. My wife drove it 200 km a day

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Kevin
Another possibility, depending on where you live, is to get one with some rust. The rust drops the value of the car GREATLY, and if you're in an area where a rusty car won't really get worse, it's fine for a driver. My 85 190D was such a car, and was really a bargain for what it was. What got

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread carbucks
That's why I'm looking at a Jetta wagon TDI that's a few years old. The largest part of the depreciation is gone and it will be good for another ten years or so. By that time I'll have saved enough on fuel (over the Benz) to buy another one. I have an '82 Jetta that I bought brand new. At

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 13, 2008 3:05 PM, carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had both a 2000 Jetta TDI and a 2004 Golf TDI . Much preferred the Golf. Bought it new in the east (cheaper there) and drove it across the country. In 2004 they got a bump in horsepower. That engine has about the same amount of

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread carbucks
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices I changed a transmission on a 2001 Jetta TDI. It was the job from hell. I much prefer

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread David Bruckmann
Yes, the Golf/Jetta TDI gets good fuel economy BUT you'll realise that a 20-y/o MB is a BARGAIN the first time you pay $100 for a set of front brake pads for the VW, or when you replace the $300 MAF sensor for the 3rd or 4th time, or when it needs yet ANOTHER window lifter, or when it won't

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread carbucks
Sounds like you got a lemon. Sold both my 2000 Jetta TDI and 2004 Golf TDI after a couple of years of ownership and no maintenance hassle for just slightly below what I paid for them new (exempting taxes). With my new 2000 Jetta, all maintenance was covered under the warranty. With the 2004

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Curt Raymond
, 13 Feb 2008 13:19:34 -0800 From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 04:08:45PM -0500, Allan Streib wrote: Zeitgeist

Re: [MBZ] 87 300td wagon prices

2008-02-13 Thread Allan Streib
carbucks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The air condition compressor on the 83 is squealing. That's not going to be a lot of fun. Going to have to upgrade the AC to the newer environmental standards. Why? Keep it R12, if you don't want to spend the money on R12 refrigerant there are compatible