Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread clay via Mercedes
But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars.  I doubt any 
of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought after.  
Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the way 
kids did 40 years ago with a VW Bug.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

 Curt,
 All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such
 a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based
 on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning..
 failure...
 
 Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and
 return on investment.
 
 Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
 Grant...
 
 On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Grant,
 As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
 missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it
 can keep going when the battery dies.
 
 Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot
 more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can
 cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for
 city folk that don't drive much.
 
 
 On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
 another...
 
 
 Curt
 
 
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
 Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
 
  And how far is that Starbucks?  ;)
 
 Wilton  snip
 
 Wilton,
 The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
 I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
 that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
 the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
 since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
 abandoning it yet again.
 
 Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.
 
 Grant...
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Curly wrote:
 
 If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could
 move up the list.  The problem with nuke now is that they
 are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate,
 and contribute to terrorist concerns.

As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate
and are useless for weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Yeah, a pipe dream.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 3:30 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

  Curly wrote:
 
  If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could
  move up the list.  The problem with nuke now is that they
  are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate,
  and contribute to terrorist concerns.

 As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate
 and are useless for weapons.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
But will probably never gain approval for production because people are 
irrationally scared of nuke plants.
-Curt
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Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
   
 Curly wrote:
 
 If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could
 move up the list.  The problem with nuke now is that they
 are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate,
 and contribute to terrorist concerns.

As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate
and are useless for weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power



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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
What about the Teslas where you can drive into a replacement station, the old 
battery drops out, a new one is fitted in and you drive away in 30-40 seconds 
without ever having left your car? Seems pretty terrific to me for a car with a 
200 mile range.The price is a bit cringe-worthy though.

-Curt

  From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
   
The electric car is a wonderful thing except for the battery.  Some of the
earliest cars were electric.  When batteries are developed that hold the
equivalent of 10-20 gal of liquid hydrocarbonsat comparable weight and
volume and which can be recharged in a few minutes, then electric cars will
reign supreme.  Until then, not so much.  I put battery in quotes because
such a device will probably look nothing like the dissimilar
metal/electrolyte devices used today.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
 via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 2:57 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Cc: clay
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
 
 But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars.  I
doubt any
 of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought
after.
 Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the
way kids
 did 40 years ago with a VW Bug.
 
 
 clay
 
 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL
-
 Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 
  Curt,
  All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is
  such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine
  thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a
 stunning..
  failure...
 
  Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance
  and return on investment.
 
  Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
  Grant...
 
  On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Grant,
  As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
  missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine
  so it can keep going when the battery dies.
 
  Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a
  lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that
  it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a
  plugin option for city folk that don't drive much.
 
 
  On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
  another...
 
 
  Curt
 
 
 
  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
  From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2,
  2015 at 10:22 AM
  Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
 
   And how far is that Starbucks?  ;)
 
  Wilton  snip
 
  Wilton,
  The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles,
  so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47
  miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to
  recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles
  [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with
  ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again.
 
  Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.
 
  Grant...
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
The electric car is a wonderful thing except for the battery.  Some of the
earliest cars were electric.  When batteries are developed that hold the
equivalent of 10-20 gal of liquid hydrocarbonsat comparable weight and
volume and which can be recharged in a few minutes, then electric cars will
reign supreme.  Until then, not so much.  I put battery in quotes because
such a device will probably look nothing like the dissimilar
metal/electrolyte devices used today.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
 via Mercedes
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 2:57 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Cc: clay
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
 
 But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars.  I
doubt any
 of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought
after.
 Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the
way kids
 did 40 years ago with a VW Bug.
 
 
 clay
 
 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL
-
 Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 
  Curt,
  All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is
  such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine
  thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a
 stunning..
  failure...
 
  Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance
  and return on investment.
 
  Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
  Grant...
 
  On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Grant,
  As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
  missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine
  so it can keep going when the battery dies.
 
  Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a
  lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that
  it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a
  plugin option for city folk that don't drive much.
 
 
  On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
  another...
 
 
  Curt
 
 
 
  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
  From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2,
  2015 at 10:22 AM
  Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
 
   And how far is that Starbucks?  ;)
 
  Wilton  snip
 
  Wilton,
  The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles,
  so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47
  miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to
  recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles
  [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with
  ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again.
 
  Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.
 
  Grant...
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Not many people can afford 5 billion dollar car.


What about the Teslas where you can drive into a replacement 
station, the old battery drops out, a new one is fitted in and you 
drive away in 30-40 seconds without ever having left your car? Seems 
pretty terrific to me for a car with a 200 mile range.The price is a 
bit cringe-worthy though.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Grant,


As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed 
the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep 
going when the battery dies.

Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more 
than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some 
mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that 
don't drive much.


On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another...


Curt



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From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

 And how far is that Starbucks?  ;)

Wilton  snip

Wilton,
The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
abandoning it yet again.

Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.

Grant...


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
 And how far is that Starbucks?   ;)

Wilton  snip

Wilton,
The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
abandoning it yet again.

Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.

Grant...
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

And how far is that Starbucks?   ;)

Wilton

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It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect
grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and
that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so 
it's

clean..

If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug 
in

my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing..

I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that..

Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte...

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
this system that could be significant for the amount of current required 
to

charge a car.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com


wrote:

 How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
 subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't 
 the

 car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside,
with
 it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
 devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, 
 anyway)?


 Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired 
plants.


RB


On 01/06/2015 11:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect
grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and
that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's
clean..

If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug in
my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing..

I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that..

Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte...

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to
charge a car.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside,

with

it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?

Wilton




--
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Curt,
All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such
a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based
on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning..
failure...

Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and
return on investment.

Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
Grant...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Grant,
 As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
 missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it
 can keep going when the battery dies.

 Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot
 more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can
 cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for
 city folk that don't drive much.


 On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
 another...


 Curt



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 From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
 Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

  And how far is that Starbucks?  ;)

 Wilton  snip

 Wilton,
 The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
 I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
 that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
 the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
 since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
 abandoning it yet again.

 Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.

 Grant...


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Its too bad, the Volt is a pretty good idea. With a small diesel engine I think 
it could handily whip the Prius in a mileage competition. The problem overall 
is that its a crappy little Chevy for big money...
-Curt
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Curt,
All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such
a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based
on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning..
failure...

Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and
return on investment.

Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
Grant...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Grant,
 As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
 missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it
 can keep going when the battery dies.

 Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot
 more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can
 cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for
 city folk that don't drive much.


 On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
 another...


 Curt



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 Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
 Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

  And how far is that Starbucks?  ;)

 Wilton  snip

 Wilton,
 The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
 I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
 that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
 the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
 since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
 abandoning it yet again.

 Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.

 Grant...


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Coal is the most underutilized resource in this country

The elektrojuicity I like best is hydro
Second best is solar, but it is impractical on a large scale.  Great 
for life off the grid

THird is coal.  Relatively inexpensive, clean, as you say, and abundant
An added benefit from old coal plants was that they provided sulfur 
to the soil as a plant nutrient.  Now farms have to add sulfur to the 
normal NPK so fertilizer is becoming NPKS.  I had to add sulfur to 
the garden this year as the last few years I could grow much of 
anything.  Depleted sulfur and high pH together meant no food.
If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up 
the list.  The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and 
very expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist 
concerns.


No terrorist ever tried to steal the clinkers form a coal plant.




Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired plants.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
If I live in my city apartment, never walk on dirt, only take a subway
[electric of course] to work, and march in Green Earth Day Parade I don't
have to acknowledge those nasty things exist... unless I'm carrying the
protest sign that day..
Go Green, Be Clean... you know..

Reality is so harsh.. it's so much easier to just ignore and avoid it...
Grant... ;))

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired
 plants.

 RB


 On 01/06/2015 11:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

 It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect
 grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and
 that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so
 it's
 clean..

 If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug
 in
 my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing..

 I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that..

 Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte...

 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

  Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
 receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
 electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
 this system that could be significant for the amount of current required
 to
 charge a car.

 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

  How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
 subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
 car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside,

 with

 it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
 devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight,
 anyway)?

 Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Coal is hardly relatively...clean.  Where do you get such a wacky
notion?  And inexpensive only if you value clean air, water, and lung
health at zero dollars.

Nuclear is only clean if you discount the environmental effects of mining
and the carbon footprint of the U3O8 enrichment plants, and ignore the fact
that there is no long term solution in sight on where/how to handle the
waste.

Geothermal, wind, and solar are the cleanest by far.



On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Coal is the most underutilized resource in this country

 The elektrojuicity I like best is hydro
 Second best is solar, but it is impractical on a large scale.  Great for
 life off the grid
 THird is coal.  Relatively inexpensive, clean, as you say, and abundant
 An added benefit from old coal plants was that they provided sulfur to the
 soil as a plant nutrient.  Now farms have to add sulfur to the normal NPK
 so fertilizer is becoming NPKS.  I had to add sulfur to the garden this
 year as the last few years I could grow much of anything.  Depleted sulfur
 and high pH together meant no food.
 If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up the
 list.  The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and very
 expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist concerns.

 No terrorist ever tried to steal the clinkers form a coal plant.



  Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired
 plants.

 RB


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
I was gonna guess 50 mi. - thinking too small.  ;)  Having not flown across 
that area in several years and not driven across it in 40+, it's easy to 
forget.


Wilton

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 And how far is that Starbucks?   ;)

Wilton  snip

Wilton,
The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] 
before

abandoning it yet again.

Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.

Grant...
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

And get another ATTABOY.

Wilton

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Curt,
All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such
a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based
on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning..
failure...

Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and
return on investment.

Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
Grant...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Grant,
As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so 
it

can keep going when the battery dies.

Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot
more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can
cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option 
for

city folk that don't drive much.


On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
another...


Curt



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Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

 And how far is that Starbucks?  ;)

Wilton  snip

Wilton,
The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so 
if

I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] 
before

abandoning it yet again.

Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel.

Grant...


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I was gonna guess 50 mi. - thinking too small.  ;)  Having not 
flown across that area in several years and not driven across it in 
40+, it's easy to forget.


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

If there's even a 10% loss of efficiency by going cordless,
it would be criminal to adopt this.  There's too much energy
'in play' when talking about the national EV fleet.

I'm sure this is relatively high frequency, compared to
the 60Hz grid.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 ELECTRIC VEHICLES: Developers aim to ax cord for plug-in cars Published:
Monday, June 1, 2015

Toyota Motor Corp. has teamed up with a Boston-based technology company to
make plugging in electric cars a thing of the past.

WiTricity, which comes out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
envisions a world where electric vehicles would park over charging pads
located in lots or garages that would wirelessly transmit energy to a
receiver on the undercarriage of the vehicle.

I'll have it in my kitchen counter, my bedside table, probably my coffee
table, CEO Alex Gruzen said. And throughout my day, I'll be casually
topping off my devices with this quick 'energy snacking.' The same thing
will happen in the automotive space, because when you park, it'll just
charge, and you won't be thinking about it.

WiTricity isn't the only company working on wireless charging for electric
cars, but it is notable in that it has already raised $45 million, with
Toyota as an early investor. The two companies also agreed on a licensing
agreement in 2013, and Toyota has field-tested the equipment.

The car company hopes to include the new technology as an option on its
plug-in Prius, according to Gruzen. A Toyota spokeswoman declined to detail
any specific plans.

Honda Motor Co. is also using WiTricity to recharge a Fit EV at one of its
smart homes near Tokyo. And other auto suppliers like Delphi Corp. have
licensed WiTricity's technology.

Proponents are hoping the simplicity of remote charging will win over
skeptics who don't want to worry about physically plugging in their car
everywhere they park.
I grew up when phones had cords, Gruzen said. I still to this day think
of it as a cordless phone. But to my kids, it's just a phone. They've never
known phones with cords. So when we are talking about wireless charging, I
think in five years it'll just be charging. It'll just be what you do
(David R. Baker, *San Francisco Chronicle*
http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Floor-pad-could-cut-the-cord-for-electric-cars-6295664.php,
May 29)
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Hundreds of tiny gerbils on a treadmill

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
 subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
 car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with
 it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
 devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?

 Wilton

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 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:48 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord


  ELECTRIC VEHICLES: Developers aim to ax cord for plug-in cars Published:
 Monday, June 1, 2015

 Toyota Motor Corp. has teamed up with a Boston-based technology company to
 make plugging in electric cars a thing of the past.

 WiTricity, which comes out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
 envisions a world where electric vehicles would park over charging pads
 located in lots or garages that would wirelessly transmit energy to a
 receiver on the undercarriage of the vehicle.

 I'll have it in my kitchen counter, my bedside table, probably my coffee
 table, CEO Alex Gruzen said. And throughout my day, I'll be casually
 topping off my devices with this quick 'energy snacking.' The same thing
 will happen in the automotive space, because when you park, it'll just
 charge, and you won't be thinking about it.

 WiTricity isn't the only company working on wireless charging for electric
 cars, but it is notable in that it has already raised $45 million, with
 Toyota as an early investor. The two companies also agreed on a licensing
 agreement in 2013, and Toyota has field-tested the equipment.

 The car company hopes to include the new technology as an option on its
 plug-in Prius, according to Gruzen. A Toyota spokeswoman declined to
 detail
 any specific plans.

 Honda Motor Co. is also using WiTricity to recharge a Fit EV at one of its
 smart homes near Tokyo. And other auto suppliers like Delphi Corp. have
 licensed WiTricity's technology.

 Proponents are hoping the simplicity of remote charging will win over
 skeptics who don't want to worry about physically plugging in their car
 everywhere they park.
 I grew up when phones had cords, Gruzen said. I still to this day think
 of it as a cordless phone. But to my kids, it's just a phone. They've
 never
 known phones with cords. So when we are talking about wireless charging, I
 think in five years it'll just be charging. It'll just be what you do
 (David R. Baker, *San Francisco Chronicle*
 
 http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Floor-pad-could-cut-the-cord-for-electric-cars-6295664.php
 ,
 May 29)
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[MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the 
subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the car 
gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with it's 
weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic devices 
that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?


Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord



ELECTRIC VEHICLES: Developers aim to ax cord for plug-in cars Published:
Monday, June 1, 2015

Toyota Motor Corp. has teamed up with a Boston-based technology company to
make plugging in electric cars a thing of the past.

WiTricity, which comes out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
envisions a world where electric vehicles would park over charging pads
located in lots or garages that would wirelessly transmit energy to a
receiver on the undercarriage of the vehicle.

I'll have it in my kitchen counter, my bedside table, probably my coffee
table, CEO Alex Gruzen said. And throughout my day, I'll be casually
topping off my devices with this quick 'energy snacking.' The same thing
will happen in the automotive space, because when you park, it'll just
charge, and you won't be thinking about it.

WiTricity isn't the only company working on wireless charging for electric
cars, but it is notable in that it has already raised $45 million, with
Toyota as an early investor. The two companies also agreed on a licensing
agreement in 2013, and Toyota has field-tested the equipment.

The car company hopes to include the new technology as an option on its
plug-in Prius, according to Gruzen. A Toyota spokeswoman declined to 
detail

any specific plans.

Honda Motor Co. is also using WiTricity to recharge a Fit EV at one of its
smart homes near Tokyo. And other auto suppliers like Delphi Corp. have
licensed WiTricity's technology.

Proponents are hoping the simplicity of remote charging will win over
skeptics who don't want to worry about physically plugging in their car
everywhere they park.
I grew up when phones had cords, Gruzen said. I still to this day think
of it as a cordless phone. But to my kids, it's just a phone. They've 
never

known phones with cords. So when we are talking about wireless charging, I
think in five years it'll just be charging. It'll just be what you do
(David R. Baker, *San Francisco Chronicle*
http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Floor-pad-could-cut-the-cord-for-electric-cars-6295664.php,
May 29)
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to
charge a car.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
 subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
 car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with
 it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
 devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?

 Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect
grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and
that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's
clean..

If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug in
my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing..

I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that..

Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte...

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
 receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
 electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
 this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to
 charge a car.

 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 wrote:

  How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
  subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
  car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside,
 with
  it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
  devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?
 
  Wilton
 



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 learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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