Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car
WE are all going to be replaced by machines unless we can make handicraft or custom type things. I was reading up on how netflix has lost 75% of their DVD customer base. To be able to keep DVD profitable, they have replaced 80% of the staff that processed the DVDs with machines that now open envelope, check disk, clean it, stuff it into a new envelope, address and ship, or put it back into inventory. clay On Aug 9, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes later pancakes come out.My liberal friends hate it when I point to the kiosks at Panera as $15 minimum wage worker replacements. They point out that the robot maintainers will make much more than minimum wage and I point out that ex-burger flippers will not be robot maintainers. -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car On August 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Would have been fun if the craft pulled up at a McDonald's and the pilot stepped out, dressed in his Micky D outfit for his day job flipping burgers. We'll have robotic burger flippers by then. I've already seen soft drink robots at a McD's Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have no answers at the moment.. Come Monday.. expect I may contact the web site and see if it's just a concept or actually certified for flight and for sale.. If I grasp the design details correctly.. it has an on board fuel engine that runs generator which drives electric motors.. actually, not a bad concept over helicopter design for example, which uses shafts, gearboxes, and complex couplings... in concept at least.. in actual application... lots of unanswered questions.. To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat.. On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 18:53:13 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D4uSWtazRCM?rel=0 Nice idea. Rather high wing loading with the small wings. 1 megawatt = 1341 horsepower, how long can the batteries provide 1041 horsepower? How heavy are they? How large is the fuel tank? How often does it need to be filled? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On August 9, 2015 at 2:05 AM G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat.. Hadn't the FAA successfully stymied virtually all advances in private aviation by 1970, simply by making it prohibitively expensive to certify a new aircraft for production? They must have gotten that power by the clause in the Constitution that gives fedgov the power to prevent interstate commerce. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Things like multi-copters really need electric motors to be able to fly, they have to be continuously adjusted and gas engines don't work that way. So electrics make sense for the lift rotors but then the ducted fan could be used for level flight. Not sure how the Ospreys handle the rotors, probably a lot of gearbox machinations going to keep everything in harmony, or maybe with just 2 rotors it is easier? I guess some people had tried weedwhacker motors for quadcopters and they just did not work out, though they have good power/weight and gas engines can run longer than battery power. An interesting concept, with lightweight composites it would probably be reasonable to build something like that to work, but I doubt if the car approvers would approve, and the aircraft approvers would approve. --R On 8/9/15 10:01 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Computer control is probably critical to flight stability, read Osprey, and it would be beyond the average drivers/fliers ability to control, sans said computer control.I'm still waiting for the Jetson's flying car, though this seems to be a great idea and hopefully successful.Licences will be interesting, private pilots ticket at a minimum, so some joker doesn't try to land on my flat roof! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 23:05:50 -0700 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: g2ma...@gmail.com I have no answers at the moment.. Come Monday.. expect I may contact the web site and see if it's just a concept or actually certified for flight and for sale.. If I grasp the design details correctly.. it has an on board fuel engine that runs generator which drives electric motors.. actually, not a bad concept over helicopter design for example, which uses shafts, gearboxes, and complex couplings... in concept at least.. in actual application... lots of unanswered questions.. To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car
Computer control is probably critical to flight stability, read Osprey, and it would be beyond the average drivers/fliers ability to control, sans said computer control.I'm still waiting for the Jetson's flying car, though this seems to be a great idea and hopefully successful.Licences will be interesting, private pilots ticket at a minimum, so some joker doesn't try to land on my flat roof! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 23:05:50 -0700 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: g2ma...@gmail.com I have no answers at the moment.. Come Monday.. expect I may contact the web site and see if it's just a concept or actually certified for flight and for sale.. If I grasp the design details correctly.. it has an on board fuel engine that runs generator which drives electric motors.. actually, not a bad concept over helicopter design for example, which uses shafts, gearboxes, and complex couplings... in concept at least.. in actual application... lots of unanswered questions.. To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At 6:53 PM -0700 8/8/15, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D4uSWtazRCM?rel=0 Gerry Anderson beat them to it in 1960! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8m9Z010pM4 -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IT is a computer generated visualization. I'm guessing that is the furthest state of development. Type certification requires real aircraft. If real aircraft existed, we'd have seen more than a visualization. It is someone's dream, but I doubt there is enough money behind the dream to build a prototype. There may be errors in the engineering data that would severely limit the range. 300HP takes significant fuel. Range for 300 HP is roughly 150 miles on a 15 gal tank on a wheeled vehicle. I have no answers at the moment.. Come Monday.. expect I may contact the web site and see if it's just a concept or actually certified for flight and for sale.. If I grasp the design details correctly.. it has an on board fuel engine that runs generator which drives electric motors.. actually, not a bad concept over helicopter design for example, which uses shafts, gearboxes, and complex couplings... in concept at least.. in actual application... lots of unanswered questions.. To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat.. On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 18:53:13 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D4uSWtazRCM?rel=0 Nice idea. Rather high wing loading with the small wings. 1 megawatt = 1341 horsepower, how long can the batteries provide 1041 horsepower? How heavy are they? How large is the fuel tank? How often does it need to be filled? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Terrafugia has been testing the Transistion flying car for a few years now. They are still trying to get a waiver from the FAA for exceeding the weight limit for the Light Sport category of aircraft, so it's not certified yet. The impact resistance requirements for cars makes it heavier than it would otherwise be. The TF-X is still a dream for them. The design will likely need a LOT of additional work. The fuselage will have to develop a LOT of lift to fly on those little wings with four people on board, full fuel, etc. As Wilton often points out, the laws of physics ALWAYS win. I still like the Diesel/Generator/Electric motor hybrid design, if it can be light enough for an aircraft. The promoters of the flying car for the masses always seem to conveniently ignore weather and wind - they are not to be taken lightly once you leave the ground. Computer control will help, but there are still limits to what the craft can do. Terrafugia is ready to take your investment . . . . The anticipated base purchase price for the Transition® is $279,000. You can reserve a place in production with a $10,000 refundable deposit here http://www.terrafugia.com/reserve. http://www.terrafugia.com/aircraft/transition On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: snip An interesting concept, with lightweight composites it would probably be reasonable to build something like that to work, but I doubt if the car approvers would approve, and the aircraft approvers would approve. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We are from FAA and we are not happy until you are not happy It is not just new aircraft certification, it is certification of any part or improved part, for any airplane ever built. The simple 4 place airplane [no retractable gear, no controlled pitch prop] will now price out deeply into the $300,000.00 range. I'll follow up on this next week, just to see what it is all about. 200mph/500 mile range = 2.5 hr of fuel + reserves with a 300 hp engine.. Should be able to do a SWAG calculation of MPG per passenger mile if I can find how many pax it will carry. Present position direct at 200 mph sure has appeal to me.. I wonder if it qualifies as alternate fuel hybrid for road license? hahaha.. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On August 9, 2015 at 2:05 AM G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat.. Hadn't the FAA successfully stymied virtually all advances in private aviation by 1970, simply by making it prohibitively expensive to certify a new aircraft for production? They must have gotten that power by the clause in the Constitution that gives fedgov the power to prevent interstate commerce. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The thing is, you can buy or rent an airplane that does airplane stuff well, and rent a car or uber at your destination, and that does ground transpo really well. Other than a curiosity I am not sure these carplanes have a lot of appeal. I remember when I was young there was a guy in town who had one of those carplane things from maybe the early 60s?, it looked like an Isetta with folding wings. I would see it on the road occasionally headed to the airport, and later on when I worked at the airport I think it was parked in some hangar somewhere, disused, if I recall discussions about it. --R On 8/9/15 2:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: We are from FAA and we are not happy until you are not happy It is not just new aircraft certification, it is certification of any part or improved part, for any airplane ever built. The simple 4 place airplane [no retractable gear, no controlled pitch prop] will now price out deeply into the $300,000.00 range. I'll follow up on this next week, just to see what it is all about. 200mph/500 mile range = 2.5 hr of fuel + reserves with a 300 hp engine.. Should be able to do a SWAG calculation of MPG per passenger mile if I can find how many pax it will carry. Present position direct at 200 mph sure has appeal to me.. I wonder if it qualifies as alternate fuel hybrid for road license? hahaha.. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On August 9, 2015 at 2:05 AM G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat.. Hadn't the FAA successfully stymied virtually all advances in private aviation by 1970, simply by making it prohibitively expensive to certify a new aircraft for production? They must have gotten that power by the clause in the Constitution that gives fedgov the power to prevent interstate commerce. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: They must have gotten that power by the clause in the Constitution that gives fedgov the power to prevent interstate commerce. They should have been wise back in the day of bicycle mechanics from Dayton, and we might not have airplanes as we know today. Stifle innovation and invention - that is USGov motto. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: They must have gotten that power by the clause in the Constitution that gives fedgov the power to prevent interstate commerce. They should have been wise back in the day of bicycle mechanics from Dayton, and we might not have airplanes as we know today. Stifle innovation and invention - that is USGov motto. mao The airplane exists as we know it because the goobers saw a military use. Within 10 years, they were mounting guns and dropping bombs. If they could figure out a MIL use for a carboplane, they'd be ordering them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks Don.. as I suspected... in development.. still.. Let's just throw a few more billion at it and make it work... seems to be the operative plan with government.. why doesn't it work in industry? H ... Apparently, Terrafugia needs to invest in more lobbyist and buy some Congressional influence. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Terrafugia has been testing the Transistion flying car for a few years now. They are still trying to get a waiver from the FAA for exceeding the weight limit for the Light Sport category of aircraft, so it's not certified yet. The impact resistance requirements for cars makes it heavier than it would otherwise be. The TF-X is still a dream for them. The design will likely need a LOT of additional work. The fuselage will have to develop a LOT of lift to fly on those little wings with four people on board, full fuel, etc. As Wilton often points out, the laws of physics ALWAYS win. I still like the Diesel/Generator/Electric motor hybrid design, if it can be light enough for an aircraft. The promoters of the flying car for the masses always seem to conveniently ignore weather and wind - they are not to be taken lightly once you leave the ground. Computer control will help, but there are still limits to what the craft can do. Terrafugia is ready to take your investment . . . . The anticipated base purchase price for the Transition® is $279,000. You can reserve a place in production with a $10,000 refundable deposit here http://www.terrafugia.com/reserve. http://www.terrafugia.com/aircraft/transition On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: snip An interesting concept, with lightweight composites it would probably be reasonable to build something like that to work, but I doubt if the car approvers would approve, and the aircraft approvers would approve. --R -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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With a little more work, they make it a boat also - fly out to our favorite fishing spot . . . Yes, I agree that anything that tries to satisfy everything, will be good at none of them. Tailor the vehicle to the mission, one mission. That's why I have a pickup, a sedan, the airplane equivalent of a station wagon, and am building the airplane equivalent of a GT car (Wittman Tailwind W10). -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But what do you do in not quite wingless craft with a 150 mph stall speed and folding helicopter rotors when you're used to having a computer land you VTOL? It's that often used but seldom practiced aviation maneuver called Duck and Kiss ... which involves bending over far enough to kiss your ass goodbye... Unless you are a real redneck, then you just say Hold my beer and watch this... On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuselage will have to develop a LOT of lift to fly on those little wings with four people on board, full fuel, etc. As Wilton often points out, the laws of physics ALWAYS win. Especially when you lose power. A normal airplane can glide indefinitely at 5:1 or better until you run out of AGL. A helicopter can auto-rotate with a little skill on the part of the pilot. But what do you do in not quite wingless craft with a 150 mph stall speed and folding helicopter rotors when you're used to having a computer land you VTOL? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, I would imagine either the passenger or the computer could deploy the parachute, if that is designed and built into it. I know that some GA planes have them, used to be a pilot in my reserve unit with one that flew up to Charleston from Florida for drill weekends. Supposed to be able to lower the aircraft slow enough so that the passengers aren't injured and minor repairable damage to the plane. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 9, 2015 5:14:44 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: But what do you do in not quite wingless craft with a 150 mph stall speed and folding helicopter rotors when you're used to having a computer land you VTOL? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BZZZT WRONG It's Ho mah beer n watchiss --R On 8/9/15 6:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Unless you are a real redneck, then you just say Hold my beer and watch this... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The fuselage will have to develop a LOT of lift to fly on those little wings with four people on board, full fuel, etc. As Wilton often points out, the laws of physics ALWAYS win. Especially when you lose power. A normal airplane can glide indefinitely at 5:1 or better until you run out of AGL. A helicopter can auto-rotate with a little skill on the part of the pilot. But what do you do in not quite wingless craft with a 150 mph stall speed and folding helicopter rotors when you're used to having a computer land you VTOL? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My Dodge has something like 345hp and got 15mpg delivering a 240D to Dimitri. Averaged 21mpg commuting a couple weeks ago... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 14:20:29 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My Dodge has something like 345hp and got 15mpg delivering a 240D to Dimitri. Averaged 21mpg commuting a couple weeks ago... Just as riding a bicycle is more efficient than walking, so driving a truck is more efficient than flying and airplane or, especially, a helicopter. Sort of apples and oranges ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The fuselage will have to develop a LOT of lift to fly on those little wings with four people on board, full fuel, etc. As Wilton often points out, the laws of physics ALWAYS win. Especially when you lose power. A normal airplane can glide indefinitely at 5:1 or better until you run out of AGL. A helicopter can auto-rotate with a little skill on the part of the pilot. But what do you do in not quite wingless craft with a 150 mph stall speed and folding helicopter rotors when you're used to having a computer land you VTOL? Crash, splatter or make a fireball of some size. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You die. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Especially when you lose power. A normal airplane can glide indefinitely at 5:1 or better until you run out of AGL. A helicopter can auto-rotate with a little skill on the part of the pilot. But what do you do in not quite wingless craft with a 150 mph stall speed and folding helicopter rotors when you're used to having a computer land you VTOL? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unless you have a parachute like these airplanes. http://cirrusaircraft.com/ -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 9, 2015 7:45:42 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You die. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep, I thought I had Loren on a technicality. I thought he'd said A 300HP engine uses but he actually said 300HP uses for which my statement makes no sense. From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 14:20:29 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My Dodge has something like 345hp and got 15mpg delivering a 240D to Dimitri. Averaged 21mpg commuting a couple weeks ago... Just as riding a bicycle is more efficient than walking, so driving a truck is more efficient than flying and airplane or, especially, a helicopter. Sort of apples and oranges ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Max writes: Unless you have a parachute like these airplanes. http://cirrusaircraft.com/ Good luck with that. http://airfactsjournal.com/2012/05/dicks-blog-whats-wrong-with-cirrus-pilots/ Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On August 9, 2015 at 9:41 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes later pancakes come out.My liberal friends hate it when I point to the kiosks at Panera as $15 minimum wage worker replacements. They point out that the robot maintainers will make much more than minimum wage and I point out that ex-burger flippers will not be robot maintainers. And if robots replace 500 burger flippers, even if one of them gets the job of fixing all the robots, what are the other 499 going to do? Mitch. A few will work in walmert, some will sweep floors, some will find other entry level jobs, some will sit on their okoles, and a very few will figure out they are better off going to the CC and learning to fix the robotic machines. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On August 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Would have been fun if the craft pulled up at a McDonald's and the pilot stepped out, dressed in his Micky D outfit for his day job flipping burgers. We'll have robotic burger flippers by then. I've already seen soft drink robots at a McD's Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What's liberal have to do with it? I use the checkout person instead of the self check out machines for that reason - keeping jobs. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes later pancakes come out.My liberal friends hate it when I point to the kiosks at Panera as $15 minimum wage worker replacements. They point out that the robot maintainers will make much more than minimum wage and I point out that ex-burger flippers will not be robot maintainers. -Curt OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On August 9, 2015 at 9:41 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes later pancakes come out.My liberal friends hate it when I point to the kiosks at Panera as $15 minimum wage worker replacements. They point out that the robot maintainers will make much more than minimum wage and I point out that ex-burger flippers will not be robot maintainers. And if robots replace 500 burger flippers, even if one of them gets the job of fixing all the robots, what are the other 499 going to do? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Would have been fun if the craft pulled up at a McDonald's and the pilot stepped out, dressed in his Micky D outfit for his day job flipping burgers. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Unless you have a parachute like these airplanes. http://cirrusaircraft.com/ -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 9, 2015 7:45:42 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You die. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Holiday Inn Express has a pancake machine. Push a button and 2 minutes later pancakes come out.My liberal friends hate it when I point to the kiosks at Panera as $15 minimum wage worker replacements. They point out that the robot maintainers will make much more than minimum wage and I point out that ex-burger flippers will not be robot maintainers. -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car On August 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Would have been fun if the craft pulled up at a McDonald's and the pilot stepped out, dressed in his Micky D outfit for his day job flipping burgers. We'll have robotic burger flippers by then. I've already seen soft drink robots at a McD's Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 18:53:13 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D4uSWtazRCM?rel=0 Nice idea. Rather high wing loading with the small wings. 1 megawatt = 1341 horsepower, how long can the batteries provide 1041 horsepower? How heavy are they? How large is the fuel tank? How often does it need to be filled? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 18:53:13 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/D4uSWtazRCM?rel=0 Nice idea. Rather high wing loading with the small wings. 1 megawatt = 1341 horsepower, how long can the batteries provide 1041 horsepower? How heavy are they? How large is the fuel tank? How often does it need to be filled? Craig Bet it won't get 45 or 50 mpg like CL advertisers say our 123s will, and my VW and Escorts Diesels would get. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
