Re: [MBZ] Cold Start Video

2022-01-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
"cold start" means driving on a cold day for half an hour, turning off the
ignition, and then immediately firing it up.

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 12:49 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
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> This is entertaining:
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-300sd-20/
>
> They posted a cold start video where she doesn't wait for the glow plugs,
> and the car parked in the middle of an empty parking lot.  I suspect
> they're just clueless rather than trying to fool someone.
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[MBZ] Cold Start Video

2022-01-17 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
This is entertaining:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-300sd-20/

They posted a cold start video where she doesn't wait for the glow plugs,
and the car parked in the middle of an empty parking lot.  I suspect
they're just clueless rather than trying to fool someone.



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Re: [MBZ] won't start. 2007 Mercedes R350 - $4, 000 (Caddell Woods Wake Forest)

2022-01-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Has a spark but lost its compression.

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> Looks nice but engine kakked?  $4k boat anchor?
>
>
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/wake-forest-2007-mercedes-r350/7429583611.html
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[MBZ] won't start. 2007 Mercedes R350 - $4, 000 (Caddell Woods Wake Forest)

2022-01-07 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Looks nice but engine kakked?  $4k boat anchor?

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/wake-forest-2007-mercedes-r350/7429583611.html

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Re: [MBZ] To start off and not waist time IT HAS A GOOD AMOUNT OF RUST, It’s a 4 cylinder diesel with a 4 speed manual 1977 Mercedes-Benz 240d,$3,000

2021-10-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Such a looser.

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> PLEASE DONT WAIST MY TIME!
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[MBZ] To start off and not waist time IT HAS A GOOD AMOUNT OF RUST, It’s a 4 cylinder diesel with a 4 speed manual 1977 Mercedes-Benz 240d,$3,000

2021-10-17 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

PLEASE DONT WAIST MY TIME!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/177584161192974

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Re: [MBZ] You start your car directly from your phone no matter where you are!

2021-10-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
But whoever steals your phone will definitely appreciate getting the bonus
of a free car.

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> Yes, the possibilities are endless.
>
> "I was letting little Johnny play with my phone and when I got back to the
> shop to get my car it was covered in blood and the service tech was missing
> a hand."
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, at 10:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> > Think of the fun you can have the next time you take your car in for
> service!
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Re: [MBZ] You start your car directly from your phone no matter where you are!

2021-10-16 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Yes, the possibilities are endless.

"I was letting little Johnny play with my phone and when I got back to the shop 
to get my car it was covered in blood and the service tech was missing a hand."

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, at 10:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> Think of the fun you can have the next time you take your car in for service!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] You start your car directly from your phone no matter where you are!

2021-10-16 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Think of the fun you can have the next time you take your car in for service!

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[MBZ] You start your car directly from your phone no matter where you are!

2021-10-16 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
They say this like it's something I would ever want to do.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/hoffman-estates-2012-mercedes-ml-350/7395170883.html

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Re: [MBZ] Rough start to the day

2018-09-20 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
No, I've only got liability coverage.  Hard to justify full coverage on a $3k 
car over thirty years old.  

I was behind a big truck when it happened, one car back from him, don't know if 
he kicked it up or maybe it fell from his load.  It also may have come from the 
car right in front of me. Scared me pretty good!
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 20, 2018 7:40:50 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Your inshoounce ought to fix that for you
>
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>> On Sep 20, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Not a rock chip, pretty much a rock divot.
>> 
>> Wonder if that $500 wagon has a decent windshield?  I just may have
>to find
>> out...
>> -
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Re: [MBZ] Rough start to the day

2018-09-20 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Your inshoounce ought to fix that for you

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> On Sep 20, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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> Not a rock chip, pretty much a rock divot.
> 
> Wonder if that $500 wagon has a decent windshield?  I just may have to find
> out...
> -
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-15 Thread MG via Mercedes
I used to have an old either H or F14 IH. Tricyle gear and that 
dual fuel engine. Never ran it on kero but I got to say that when 
everything was good it would start on the first pull of the 
crank. No electrics on it. Then I sold it and got the Kubota. It 
didn't pull as much cause it didn't have the weight but it was 
easier to use.


MG

Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

One of the memories of my childhood is my uncle starting my grandfather's
1939 model b JD by throwing the flywheel around by hand. Then I would sit
on my grandfather's lap as he drove the tractor. After a while he would
turn a lever & a  cloud of black kerosene smoke would come back toward us.
An early dual fuel engine.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 14, 2018 11:54 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I've never heard of that 430.  In my mind, THIS is what a 430 is

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/4/49-john-deere-430.html

We had a 430 industrial.

Here's what I wanted:
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/5/54-john-dee
re-435-photos.html
Jimmy 2-53 screamer.  The one I found in 1970 had a stuck engine.  If I'd
bought it I'd probably be deaf by now.

More pictures
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1959-JO
HN-DEERE-435-DIESEL-TRACTOR-93420


fmiser via Mercedes 
January 14, 2018 at 1:24 AM
But the JD 430 is. Made 1984 to 1992. Yanmar engine.
http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/4/44-john-deere-430.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-14 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
One of the memories of my childhood is my uncle starting my grandfather's
1939 model b JD by throwing the flywheel around by hand. Then I would sit
on my grandfather's lap as he drove the tractor. After a while he would
turn a lever & a  cloud of black kerosene smoke would come back toward us.
An early dual fuel engine.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 14, 2018 11:54 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've never heard of that 430.  In my mind, THIS is what a 430 is
>
> http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/4/49-john-deere-430.html
>
> We had a 430 industrial.
>
> Here's what I wanted:
> http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/5/54-john-dee
> re-435-photos.html
> Jimmy 2-53 screamer.  The one I found in 1970 had a stuck engine.  If I'd
> bought it I'd probably be deaf by now.
>
> More pictures
> https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1959-JO
> HN-DEERE-435-DIESEL-TRACTOR-93420
>
>> fmiser via Mercedes 
>> January 14, 2018 at 1:24 AM
>> But the JD 430 is. Made 1984 to 1992. Yanmar engine.
>> http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/4/44-john-deere-430.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

I've never heard of that 430.  In my mind, THIS is what a 430 is

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/4/49-john-deere-430.html

We had a 430 industrial.

Here's what I wanted:
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/5/54-john-deere-435-photos.html
Jimmy 2-53 screamer.  The one I found in 1970 had a stuck engine.  If 
I'd bought it I'd probably be deaf by now.


More pictures
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1959-JOHN-DEERE-435-DIESEL-TRACTOR-93420

fmiser via Mercedes 
January 14, 2018 at 1:24 AM
But the JD 430 is. Made 1984 to 1992. Yanmar engine. 
http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/4/44-john-deere-430.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> > Kaleb wrote:
> > I’m pretty sure my jd tractor has a yanmar. Yep.
> > 
> https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/3-family-compact-utility-tractors/3032e-compact-utility-tractor/

> Curley wrote:

> yes, but that is not exactly a garden tractor.

But the JD 430 is.  Made 1984 to 1992.  Yanmar engine.

http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/4/44-john-deere-430.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
As I recall, the actual compression release worked well but other things, 
mainly the injector pump, I think, created considerable drag on the rotational 
momentum.  On the Volvo (2 cyl) I recall the distinct sounds of the injectors 
firing as I hand-cranked.  I could not pop the compression release without 
releasing the crank.  Even though I was a lot younger then, hand-cranking was 
quite strenuous and didn't work.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:35 PM
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> 
> > On January 13, 2018 at 9:57 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
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> >
> >
> > I tried to hand-crank a 8 hp Yanmar (Cape Dory 27) and 12 hp Volvo
> (Columbia 8.7).  No success with either although I was ill-positioned with the
> engine low in the bilge.  It may have been possible with more adrenalin and a
> second person to trip the compression release at just the right time.  But I
> would hate to have to depend on this method to start even a small Diesel.
> 
> I think it helps if the flywheel weighs more than you do, and the compression
> release eliminates all compression.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On January 13, 2018 at 9:57 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I tried to hand-crank a 8 hp Yanmar (Cape Dory 27) and 12 hp Volvo (Columbia 
> 8.7).  No success with either although I was ill-positioned with the engine 
> low in the bilge.  It may have been possible with more adrenalin and a second 
> person to trip the compression release at just the right time.  But I would 
> hate to have to depend on this method to start even a small Diesel.  

I think it helps if the flywheel weighs more than you do, and the compression 
release eliminates all compression.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I tried to hand-crank a 8 hp Yanmar (Cape Dory 27) and 12 hp Volvo (Columbia 
8.7).  No success with either although I was ill-positioned with the engine low 
in the bilge.  It may have been possible with more adrenalin and a second 
person to trip the compression release at just the right time.  But I would 
hate to have to depend on this method to start even a small Diesel.  



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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread MG via Mercedes
I don't know which Kubotas you're talking about. I had a 78 
Kubota 3 cyl 24hp L225 that had both 3 point and a pto. The pto 
even had a high speed that ran at 1000rpm at the same engine rpm 
that the low speed ran 540. I wish my new tractor had that 1000 
rpm high speed option. That was all standard on the Kubotas back 
then.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
the Satoh tractor was what I liked.  Diesel 2 cyl, with PTO and 3 point 
hitch.  I think kubota and yanmar make them that way for RTW, but most 
of the kubotoa/yanmar(JD) here don't have PTO or 3 point.  All the 
Satohs I've seen are old, but do have PTO and 3 point.  Some are 4wd too.


The JD yard tractors are made in WI and are just lawnmowers with 
throwaway engines like all the rest.  If you get to 20-30 hp range, you 
get into the yanmars labelled as JD.  They go up to about 80 HP.  The JD 
5500 was about 75 HP and MFWD.  It was twice the tractor a MF 275 was 
and burned half the fuel of the MF or smaller HP JD Dubuque works 
tractors.   It was yanmar, but said JD Made in USA on the tag.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 13, 2018 at 8:38 AM
I went over to a guy's house yesterday and he was showing me this 
little Yanmar 4WD diesel tractor he has.  It's not a lot bigger than a 
yard mower tractor but it has a PTO and these really knobby tires, and 
a 2cyl diesel.  He says it will pretty much crawl up the side of a 
building, and if it hits something it will just sit and dig dig dig.  
He's got a box scraper and bushhog for it.  It is amazingly awesome 
cool, built very solid.  He says it is kinda typical for what Jap 
farmers use on their little plots.


http://machinerytimes.com/2017/11/15/start-of-a-lister-4-cylinder-by-handstationary-enginestationarmotordieselmotorlister/ 



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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Ha!  A 4020 or 856-1468 with a loader, bucket and forks woulda cost you 
half as much (or less) and done twice (or more) as much!



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 13, 2018 at 7:33 PM
I really should have got a bigger tractor.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I really should have got a bigger tractor. 

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> On Jan 13, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 13, 2018 at 7:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We used the JD 1530 (1974, 35 Nebraska HP) Assembled in Mannheim, D) as 
>> a garden tractor but only because the IH A didn't have 3 point or a 
>> plow.  The 1530 pulled a frod 2 bottom like it was nothing.
>> We usually plowed a 1/2 A to 1 A for garden.
> 
> My dad has a 3032 like Kaleb's now. Along with a 65hp Belarus that just sits 
> in the barn. Starting out 40 years ago with a 2-3 acre garden, we had a wide 
> front Allis Chalmers CA. Nice little tractor, simple and durable, but not a 
> diesel. First tractor I ever drove when I was 11 years old. Pulled a 2-14" 
> plow easily.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On January 13, 2018 at 7:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We used the JD 1530 (1974, 35 Nebraska HP) Assembled in Mannheim, D) as 
> a garden tractor but only because the IH A didn't have 3 point or a 
> plow.  The 1530 pulled a frod 2 bottom like it was nothing.
> We usually plowed a 1/2 A to 1 A for garden.

My dad has a 3032 like Kaleb's now. Along with a 65hp Belarus that just sits in 
the barn. Starting out 40 years ago with a 2-3 acre garden, we had a wide front 
Allis Chalmers CA. Nice little tractor, simple and durable, but not a diesel. 
First tractor I ever drove when I was 11 years old. Pulled a 2-14" plow easily.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

yes, but that is not exactly a garden tractor.

We used the JD 1530 (1974, 35 Nebraska HP) Assembled in Mannheim, D) as 
a garden tractor but only because the IH A didn't have 3 point or a 
plow.  The 1530 pulled a frod 2 bottom like it was nothing.

We usually plowed a 1/2 A to 1 A for garden.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 13, 2018 at 9:09 AM
I’m pretty sure my jd tractor has a yanmar. Yep.

https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/3-family-compact-utility-tractors/3032e-compact-utility-tractor/




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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
the Satoh tractor was what I liked.  Diesel 2 cyl, with PTO and 3 point 
hitch.  I think kubota and yanmar make them that way for RTW, but most 
of the kubotoa/yanmar(JD) here don't have PTO or 3 point.  All the 
Satohs I've seen are old, but do have PTO and 3 point.  Some are 4wd too.


The JD yard tractors are made in WI and are just lawnmowers with 
throwaway engines like all the rest.  If you get to 20-30 hp range, you 
get into the yanmars labelled as JD.  They go up to about 80 HP.  The JD 
5500 was about 75 HP and MFWD.  It was twice the tractor a MF 275 was 
and burned half the fuel of the MF or smaller HP JD Dubuque works 
tractors.   It was yanmar, but said JD Made in USA on the tag.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 13, 2018 at 8:38 AM
I went over to a guy's house yesterday and he was showing me this 
little Yanmar 4WD diesel tractor he has.  It's not a lot bigger than a 
yard mower tractor but it has a PTO and these really knobby tires, and 
a 2cyl diesel.  He says it will pretty much crawl up the side of a 
building, and if it hits something it will just sit and dig dig dig.  
He's got a box scraper and bushhog for it.  It is amazingly awesome 
cool, built very solid.  He says it is kinda typical for what Jap 
farmers use on their little plots.


http://machinerytimes.com/2017/11/15/start-of-a-lister-4-cylinder-by-handstationary-enginestationarmotordieselmotorlister/ 



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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I have a John Deere Gator that has Yanmar engine. 3 cylinder 850 cc diesel.
When I bought it, I got a "spare engine" that had spun a rod bearing and
was torn down, so it's in parts... Seems parts are lots of bucks. A
complete new engine, fully dressed, lists for a shade under $9,000.00.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m pretty sure my jd tractor has a yanmar. Yep.
>
> https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/3-
> family-compact-utility-tractors/3032e-compact-utility-tractor/
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 13, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On January 13, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the
> generator business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I
> would probably consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable,
> simple, and easy to service. They’re very popular in the marine business
> for (sailboat) propulsion engines, too.
> >
> > A lot of JD diesel garden tractors were made by Yanmar, and there were a
> few lawn tractor models with Yanmar engines.
> > And yes, they were THE inboard engine to have in 30-45' sailboats back
> in the 1990s, might still be.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I’m pretty sure my jd tractor has a yanmar. Yep.

https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/3-family-compact-utility-tractors/3032e-compact-utility-tractor/



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> On Jan 13, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 13, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the generator 
>> business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I would 
>> probably consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable, simple, and 
>> easy to service. They’re very popular in the marine business for (sailboat) 
>> propulsion engines, too.
> 
> A lot of JD diesel garden tractors were made by Yanmar, and there were a few 
> lawn tractor models with Yanmar engines. 
> And yes, they were THE inboard engine to have in 30-45' sailboats back in the 
> 1990s, might still be.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I think Jaime’s in the middle of rebuilding one right now…

-D


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 13, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the generator 
>> business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I would 
>> probably consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable, simple, and 
>> easy to service. They’re very popular in the marine business for (sailboat) 
>> propulsion engines, too.
> 
> A lot of JD diesel garden tractors were made by Yanmar, and there were a few 
> lawn tractor models with Yanmar engines. 
> And yes, they were THE inboard engine to have in 30-45' sailboats back in the 
> 1990s, might still be.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On January 13, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the generator 
> business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I would 
> probably consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable, simple, and 
> easy to service. They’re very popular in the marine business for (sailboat) 
> propulsion engines, too.

A lot of JD diesel garden tractors were made by Yanmar, and there were a few 
lawn tractor models with Yanmar engines. 
And yes, they were THE inboard engine to have in 30-45' sailboats back in the 
1990s, might still be.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the generator 
business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I would probably 
consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable, simple, and easy to 
service. They’re very popular in the marine business for (sailboat) propulsion 
engines, too.

-D



 
> On Jan 13, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went over to a guy's house yesterday and he was showing me this little 
> Yanmar 4WD diesel tractor he has.  It's not a lot bigger than a yard mower 
> tractor but it has a PTO and these really knobby tires, and a 2cyl diesel.  
> He says it will pretty much crawl up the side of a building, and if it hits 
> something it will just sit and dig dig dig.  He's got a box scraper and 
> bushhog for it.  It is amazingly awesome cool, built very solid.  He says it 
> is kinda typical for what Jap farmers use on their little plots.
> 
> http://machinerytimes.com/2017/11/15/start-of-a-lister-4-cylinder-by-handstationary-enginestationarmotordieselmotorlister/
> 
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[MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

2018-01-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I went over to a guy's house yesterday and he was showing me this little 
Yanmar 4WD diesel tractor he has.  It's not a lot bigger than a yard 
mower tractor but it has a PTO and these really knobby tires, and a 2cyl 
diesel.  He says it will pretty much crawl up the side of a building, 
and if it hits something it will just sit and dig dig dig.  He's got a 
box scraper and bushhog for it.  It is amazingly awesome cool, built 
very solid.  He says it is kinda typical for what Jap farmers use on 
their little plots.


http://machinerytimes.com/2017/11/15/start-of-a-lister-4-cylinder-by-handstationary-enginestationarmotordieselmotorlister/

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[MBZ] Cold start OK

2018-01-04 Thread MG via Mercedes
Well I'm happy. It is 28 deg outside and the care started just 
fine. Let it glow, waited 4 seconds after the light went off, 
gave it abut half throttle and let er rip. The starter turned a 
bit slower then normal but the engine did only 4 bumps and lit 
off. Nice and even.


Yeah I know it's not like it was really cold but it's about as 
cold as it will get down here in FL. BTW the car (83 300TD has 
just over 290K miles on it now and there wasn't any smoke.


Can't complain,
MG

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Re: [MBZ] hot start issue in 617

2017-12-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Something is wrong with the injection pump or an input to the injection pump.  
I'd try disconnecting the vacuum shut-off valve to test Curly's theory.

Maybe lift pump is bad?  Maybe air leak into fuel lines?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 8, 2017 9:36:53 PM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I got in touch with the shop about the work done.  The lines all seem
>to be where they belong.  There was prior issue with slow shut down. 
>It is a heartbeat only, not the immediate shut off, nor does it sputter
>along for seconds on end.
>
>clay 
>
>1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>1986 SDL - Polei
>1982 300 SD - Allen
>
>retired models-
>2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> messed up vacuum lines?  reversed?
>> 
>> Is the vacuum shutoff holding the rack closed after the key is on? 
>That is what it sounds like to me.  Vacuum reservoir is supposed to
>hold vacuum until the car is started the next time.  If it is connected
>to the shutoff when the key is turned on, that will will hold the rack
>in the off position.  (reversed lines when trans work was done?)
>> 
>>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>> December 2, 2017 at 2:47 PM
>>> Not sure if causation, but there is correlation.
>>> 
>>> Prior to having the transmission in the SD serviced a few weeks ago
>there was no issue. The two vacuum pods on the trans were swapped for
>better ones, so the shifts are much smoother and no more ATF leaks.
>>> 
>>> Now, I have a good cold start with full throttle control. Once I get
>where I am headed and do some short term business, trying to light her
>off again is a chore. Initial spin up either does not happen or just
>spins without lighting. Second key turn will maybe get it to light off,
>but there is no throttle response, as it just will not climb more than
>200 rpm above idle over a minute or so. Pedal or manual actuation from
>under the hood is the same no power. If I shift into gear, the engine
>dies. Third attempt will result in full power.
>>> 
>>> Is this filters or some other issue?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>>> 
>>> retired models-
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] hot start issue in 617

2017-12-08 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
I got in touch with the shop about the work done.  The lines all seem to be 
where they belong.  There was prior issue with slow shut down.  It is a 
heartbeat only, not the immediate shut off, nor does it sputter along for 
seconds on end.

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Dec 2, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> messed up vacuum lines?  reversed?
> 
> Is the vacuum shutoff holding the rack closed after the key is on?  That is 
> what it sounds like to me.  Vacuum reservoir is supposed to hold vacuum until 
> the car is started the next time.  If it is connected to the shutoff when the 
> key is turned on, that will will hold the rack in the off position.  
> (reversed lines when trans work was done?)
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2017 at 2:47 PM
>> Not sure if causation, but there is correlation.
>> 
>> Prior to having the transmission in the SD serviced a few weeks ago there 
>> was no issue. The two vacuum pods on the trans were swapped for better ones, 
>> so the shifts are much smoother and no more ATF leaks.
>> 
>> Now, I have a good cold start with full throttle control. Once I get where I 
>> am headed and do some short term business, trying to light her off again is 
>> a chore. Initial spin up either does not happen or just spins without 
>> lighting. Second key turn will maybe get it to light off, but there is no 
>> throttle response, as it just will not climb more than 200 rpm above idle 
>> over a minute or so. Pedal or manual actuation from under the hood is the 
>> same no power. If I shift into gear, the engine dies. Third attempt will 
>> result in full power.
>> 
>> Is this filters or some other issue?
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] hot start issue in 617

2017-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

messed up vacuum lines?  reversed?

Is the vacuum shutoff holding the rack closed after the key is on?  That 
is what it sounds like to me.  Vacuum reservoir is supposed to hold 
vacuum until the car is started the next time.  If it is connected to 
the shutoff when the key is turned on, that will will hold the rack in 
the off position.  (reversed lines when trans work was done?)



clay monroe via Mercedes 
December 2, 2017 at 2:47 PM
Not sure if causation, but there is correlation.

Prior to having the transmission in the SD serviced a few weeks ago 
there was no issue. The two vacuum pods on the trans were swapped for 
better ones, so the shifts are much smoother and no more ATF leaks.


Now, I have a good cold start with full throttle control. Once I get 
where I am headed and do some short term business, trying to light her 
off again is a chore. Initial spin up either does not happen or just 
spins without lighting. Second key turn will maybe get it to light 
off, but there is no throttle response, as it just will not climb more 
than 200 rpm above idle over a minute or so. Pedal or manual actuation 
from under the hood is the same no power. If I shift into gear, the 
engine dies. Third attempt will result in full power.


Is this filters or some other issue?


clay

1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] hot start issue in 617

2017-12-02 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
Not sure if causation, but there is correlation.

Prior to having the transmission in the SD serviced a few weeks ago there was 
no issue.  The two vacuum pods on the trans were swapped for better ones, so 
the shifts are much smoother and no more ATF leaks.

Now, I have a good cold start with full throttle control.  Once I get where I 
am headed and do some short term business, trying to light her off again is a 
chore.  Initial spin up either does not happen or just spins without lighting.  
Second key turn will maybe get it to light off, but there is no throttle 
response, as it just will not climb more than 200 rpm above idle over a minute 
or so.  Pedal or manual actuation from under the hood is the same no power.  If 
I shift into gear, the engine dies.  Third attempt will result in full power.

Is this filters or some other issue?


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Where's Joe Redner in the midst of all of this? I thought he had something to 
do with the cab business in Tampa. Did he die or retire? Joe would have become 
a famous Tampa politician had he managed to get elected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Redner
Gerry

Dan wrote:
> Here's our current political cluster, of which I can only comment on in a 
> limited manner as my department has been involved with the investigation:
> 
> Our county has a commission, the PTC, which manages cabs licenses and other 
> forms of paid public transportation. It's been well known to be a serious 
> cesspool for reasons too numerous to go into here.  Suffice to say when Uber 
> and Lyft came onto the scene a year ago, the PTC and its "buddies", the local 
> cab companies, were in a major uproar over it and did everything they could 
> to keep them out of the County.
> 
> The guy who headed the PTC and his right hand thug were former sheriff's 
> investigators, to give you some context.
> 
> While both ridesharing companies attempted to negotiate ways of working in 
> the County, the PTC threatened them with all sorts of nasty tickets, 
> citations, etc., etc. to try and discourage them from operating. 
> 
> So dumb and dumber cook up this idea where they get cabbies to volunteer to 
> be customers for the ridesharing companies and hire them out. The punch line 
> is that when they take the "rider" to their destination, someone from the PTC 
> is waiting there with a citation for $700. Surprise!
> 
> The County administrator got wind of this while it was going on due to the 
> complaints and put the head of the PTC on suspension and ordered an 
> investigation.  This only pissed the doofus off, so it appears that in the 
> interim he gathered up many of the commission employees' County issued cell 
> phones and took them to an outside data forensics place to have them wiped. 
> So much for public records!
> 
> So now a citizen has filed suit for public records disclosure and doofus is 
> pleading the Fifth. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement has, as one 
> might expect, opened an investigation, as destruction of public records is a 
> crime.
> 
> The best part? Some of his texts between he and his minion (who has since 
> resigned as well) have been made public, and they're not at all complimentary 
> they used to be online but have since been taken down. Here's an op-ed piece 
> on them:
> 
> http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/
> 
> It just keeps getting better...
> 
> http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.
> > 
> > On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which I 
> > once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the 
> > former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 meetings 
> > I set up with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC meeting and 
> > presented me with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our FB page was 
> > getting a little stale and I needed to find some more words to use (I think 
> > he was referring to my characterization of him as duplicitous and 
> > mendacious, so I guess I will have to start using two-faced liar).  I 
> > thanked him, then kindly suggested he could polish his stand-up routine and 
> > we would have him come to another meeting sometime soon, it would be great 
> > entertainment, we might even make a vid of it so everyone could see it.  
> > That took him aback a bit, he tried to recover but failed.  The funny thing 
> > is, I bet he was thinking about this for a whole week, and made a special 
> > trip to a bookstore to buy the thing, and was all excited about it.  What a 
> > little d*ck this guy is.  He knows we basically killed his political future 
> > so this is how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > 
> >> On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> >> OT offering
> >> 
> >> When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And 
> >> sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim 
> >> understanding what you’ve done.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   *Insouciant*
> >> 
> >> When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case just 
> >> don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. Insouciant 
> >> translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance encapsulates the essence 
> >> of negligence.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   Specious
> >> 
> >> The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your 
> >> opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   Banal
> >> 
> >> 

Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Uh, isn't that a distinction with no difference?


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 5:47 PM
This ain't politics, it's corruption! Wait, I meant, hmm... Ok you got us.



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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
This ain't politics, it's corruption!  Wait, I meant, hmm...  Ok you got us.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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On February 14, 2017 6:17:37 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>You are starting to get out of control with the political talk
>


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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

You are starting to get out of control with the political talk


On 2/14/2017 2:31 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Here's our current political cluster, of which I can only comment on in a 
limited manner as my department has been involved with the investigation:

Our county has a commission, the PTC, which manages cabs licenses and other forms of paid 
public transportation. It's been well known to be a serious cesspool for reasons too 
numerous to go into here.  Suffice to say when Uber and Lyft came onto the scene a year 
ago, the PTC and its "buddies", the local cab companies, were in a major uproar 
over it and did everything they could to keep them out of the County.

The guy who headed the PTC and his right hand thug were former sheriff's 
investigators, to give you some context.

While both ridesharing companies attempted to negotiate ways of working in the 
County, the PTC threatened them with all sorts of nasty tickets, citations, 
etc., etc. to try and discourage them from operating.

So dumb and dumber cook up this idea where they get cabbies to volunteer to be customers 
for the ridesharing companies and hire them out. The punch line is that when they take 
the "rider" to their destination, someone from the PTC is waiting there with a 
citation for $700. Surprise!

The County administrator got wind of this while it was going on due to the 
complaints and put the head of the PTC on suspension and ordered an 
investigation.  This only pissed the doofus off, so it appears that in the 
interim he gathered up many of the commission employees' County issued cell 
phones and took them to an outside data forensics place to have them wiped. So 
much for public records!

So now a citizen has filed suit for public records disclosure and doofus is 
pleading the Fifth. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement has, as one might 
expect, opened an investigation, as destruction of public records is a crime.

The best part? Some of his texts between he and his minion (who has since 
resigned as well) have been made public, and they're not at all complimentary 
they used to be online but have since been taken down. Here's an op-ed piece on 
them:

http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/

It just keeps getting better...

http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/

-D

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.

On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which I once 
again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the former 
Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 meetings I set up 
with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC meeting and presented me with 
a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our FB page was getting a little stale 
and I needed to find some more words to use (I think he was referring to my 
characterization of him as duplicitous and mendacious, so I guess I will have 
to start using two-faced liar).  I thanked him, then kindly suggested he could 
polish his stand-up routine and we would have him come to another meeting 
sometime soon, it would be great entertainment, we might even make a vid of it 
so everyone could see it.  That took him aback a bit, he tried to recover but 
failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was thinking about this for a whole week, 
and made a special trip to a bookstore to buy the thing, and was all excited 
about it.  What a little d*ck this guy is.  He knows we basically killed his 
political future so this is how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet 
pathetic.

--FT



On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And 
sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim understanding 
what you’ve done.


   *Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case just don’t 
give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. Insouciant translates 
from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance encapsulates the essence of negligence.


   Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your opponent a 
liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.


   Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred times. It’s 
trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal assertion does not justify 
the position set forth in this case.” This word is correctly pronounced as many 
as three ways, though the preferred pronunc

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Re: [MBZ] slow start today -- more transcripts

2017-02-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Oh yeah, you should listen to the recordings my partner made, our boy 
was trash-talking everyone all up and down the state food chain as well 
as his Council colleagues, even his daddy,  It was just too delicious.  
Here's some quotes we transcribed.


So this first guy is the President of the State Senate, controls 
everything, including all the money.  Has more power than the governor.  
Last December at a Transportation Bank meeting the boy had to bow and 
scrape and "apologize" about his "unfortunate remarks."  Ol' Hugh wasn't 
buying it and worked him over pretty good to where he was up there 
sputtering and blathering.  2 days after the article appeared with the 
recordings, this guy AND the governor, unsolicited, call up the 
newspaper reporter to make comments, which she then wrote in another 
lengthy article.  These two have never even returned her calls for 
comment on stuff, then they are calling her.  It was amazing.


Hugh Leatherman:

He’s a tyrant. It’s his state. It’s his money. If you don’t believe me, 
ask him.


The governor’s not the problem. She is fine. As a matter fact, she's on 
record to be against the completion of I-526. She’s fine. But the 
problem is we don’t live a state where the governor really has that much 
stroke. I mean, she can goad them into it, make them look bad, but you 
can’t make Hugh Leatherman look any worse than he already is.


Because Hugh Leatherman and them won’t to do their job.

Leatherman’s the king of the world. You can’t do nothing through him. 
I’ve got another baby coming, I’ve got five kids, I need to concentrate 
on my family for awhile. And oh by the way, I’m probably going to run 
for governor so I can try to do something to his ass.


The hell with him.

He wants the money too! He wants the money too. He is a greedy, greedy 
being.


Leatherman says [mimics], “Mr. Chairman, you come up with your money and 
I’ll come up with mine.”


[Elliott also tells a story about how he saw Leatherman in his bathing 
suit and it made him want to “go puke.” Let me know if you need that.]


Well, you know, if we could get a coalition of senators that could slow 
down Leatherman on some other things and say, listen, I mean, I hate to 
say extort it out of him, but I mean we gotta have some money to place 
some leverage on him. The problem with Hugh has always been, even when 
you get a guy like Grooms who from a philosophical standpoint wouldn’t 
normally be okay with this, with 526 and that kind of thing, you know, 
Hugh will jerk all the money out of Moncks Corner, you know. And a 
little town like Moncks Corner cannot survive without the stuff that 
Larry gets them. I mean, and how do you go back to your folks and go, 
“Hey man, I’ve got a philosophical problem with that guy over there, 
with the problem in Charleston, and that’s why you didn’t get anything.” 
You’d get unelected pretty quick.


Hugh buys them. I mean, if you think about the guys that put Hugh in the 
president pro tempore, its the same guys who put McConnell in. It's the 
democrats. The black caucus.


Another legislator who is a dumb*ss too: Chip Limehouse:

And once we’ve got the legislators out of the Aviation Authority, it's 
running pretty good again. You know. I hate to be that way, but it's 
true. You put a Limehouse in there and, poof, it goes to hell. He’s 
never seen a buffet he didn't like.


 A black Council colleague, so this got the black folks upset:  Anna 
Johnson:


And Anna doesn't understand

I know, Bo. Listen, I get it. Listen, you know, listen, the hour before 
the Chairman's vote in January, she called me and said, "I’m not voting 
for you." I said, "Okay." She said, "I’m going to nominate and vote for 
myself." I said, "Go right ahead." There’s no love affair with me and 
Anna Johnson. We don’t love each other. They tolerate me. They have to. 
Because, no – that would sound terrible


She's ignorant. And I can't deal with that. I just can't. I don't deal 
with that with my own children. It's like, dealing with a 5 year old. 
I'm like wake up. Why are you here? If you can't understand, then don't 
be here. Shut up.


Thomas, the reason why she wins is because the district is drawn as an 
African-American district. Listen, I'd rather have. She couldn't tie C's 
boots, man.


They [African-Americans] gonna pull the master lever, Bo. That's just... 
It's unfortunate.


2 other Council colleagues:

This one took his position as Council Chairman:  Vic Rawl:

I think he eats too much. I don't know what to say. I think that's gonna 
be a problem if you eat too much.… kind of out to never-never land.



This one works for Daddy (it's all very incestuous around here):  Teddie:

And I think that’s a shame, and it’s hypocritical for people like 
Teddie, who, no offense, work for my daddy. It’s not right, that’s not 
right. He’s being a hypocrite, and I’ve told him that.


And Teddie's too far up my daddy's tail to really know what's going on


--FT

On 2/14/17 4:33 PM, Dan 

Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

To the Republic!


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 14, 2017 at 1:49 PM
I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.

On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at 
which I once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them 
are, the former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies 
in 2 meetings I set up with him, chased me down as I was leaving the 
CC meeting and presented me with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick 
on our FB page was getting a little stale and I needed to find some 
more words to use (I think he was referring to my characterization of 
him as duplicitous and mendacious, so I guess I will have to start 
using two-faced liar).  I thanked him, then kindly suggested he could 
polish his stand-up routine and we would have him come to another 
meeting sometime soon, it would be great entertainment, we might even 
make a vid of it so everyone could see it.  That took him aback a bit, 
he tried to recover but failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was 
thinking about this for a whole week, and made a special trip to a 
bookstore to buy the thing, and was all excited about it.  What a 
little d*ck this guy is.  He knows we basically killed his political 
future so this is how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.


--FT




Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 13, 2017 at 10:33 AM
OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. 
And sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim 
understanding what you’ve done.



   *Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case 
just don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. 
Insouciant translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance 
encapsulates the essence of negligence.



   Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your 
opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.



   Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred 
times. It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal 
assertion does not justify the position set forth in this case.” This 
word is correctly pronounced as many as three ways, though the 
preferred pronunciation rhymes with “canal.”



RB

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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You should have seen the texts that were recovered, especially the ones between 
he and his minion.  They were littered with profanities and all sorts of 
nastiness towards elected officials that are working on eliminating this 
commission.  A number of them were printed in the local media with the naughty 
stuff redacted.

There’s a state legislator who has been trying to eliminate the PTC for a 
couple of years, and for good reason.  The comment that she could go fornicate 
with herself among other things was a classic that got into the local media.  
The best part was when she was asked about it by the local media.  To give you 
an idea of how classy she was, she said, "It's not surprising at all. The 
agency and its management does continue to disappoint on a seemingly daily 
basis.”



I found some of the texts they published between the commissioner (Cockream) 
and his minion:

• A text message between Brett Saunders and Kyle Cockream sent at 11:03 
a.m. on November 9 said: “That head Patterson is here. I recommend you go 
out the back.”

• A text message between Brett Saunders and Kyle Cockream sent at 10:30 
a.m. on October 16 said: “Tell victor to kiss your ass. You work for the board. 
Not him. We only used them on those few occasions and it fell apart with their 
cards. Candidly. Louie’s people were scared.

• A text message between Brett Saunders and Kyle Cockream sent at 10:34 
a.m. on October 16 said: “And. Don’t resign. Make them fire you. Then you get 
unemployment. And before they fire you. Fire me so I can get it too. Oh with a 
90 day severance package.”

• A text message between Brett Saunders and Kyle Cockream sent at 10:39 
a.m. on October 16 said: “I hear you. But on my way out I’ve decided to burn 
the house down.

• "There was no quid pro quo. We didn't hide anything. We used 
volunteers to help us. F--- her too," Saunders wrote.


Do be aware that the previous PTC commissioner went to prison for accepting 
bribes, so this is nothing new.  It’s just more entertaining.  Both of these 
idiots have resigned, of course, but that’s not going to get their ‘nads out of 
the grinder of the state and Federal courts.  I suspect both will be wards of 
the state eventually and getting their dance cards punched nightly.

-D


> On Feb 14, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow.  "With a criminal investigation hanging over him, former Public
> Transportation Commission chief Kyle Cockream repeatedly pleaded the
> Fifth.."
> 
> It speaks for itself.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 


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Re: [MBZ] slow start today OT

2017-02-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Yeah, but he only p*ssed off my partner along about a month before the 
election, she does not think like you and I do, so there's that aspect 
to the whole thing.


On another note the black folks he also p*issed off with his borderline 
racist nonsense are still lying in wait, might get a few of them to show 
up next week to raise some h*ll too.  It is tremendously entertaining.  
He accused me of paying them to come and raise h*ll before, this just 
shows how stupid he is, he doesn't think the black folks can think for 
themselves.  I shared that with them, that got them even more worked 
up.  His time is coming.


here is an entertaining vid if you can see it.  Shakem goes off on the 
mayor's son (the mayor being Daddy and the boy being his dumb*ss spawn 
on County Council we took down) 
https://www.facebook.com/shakem.akhet/videos/1439922146052561/ Daddy 
don't like it!!!  I do love it though.


--FT


On 2/14/17 4:15 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

My only complaint is your timing, about six months prior to the election
last fall would have worked just fine for me, but beggars can't be choosers
eh!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


It makes me feel great actually.  Couldn't have happened to a more
deserving scalawag.  And I do really like the fact that I am living in his
head rent-free and it gets under his skin bigtime.



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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”

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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Hey, it's his constitutional right!

I can't wait until the day we get to sit in a courtroom and hear the 
same thing...


--R


On 2/14/17 4:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Wow.  "With a criminal investigation hanging over him, former Public
Transportation Commission chief Kyle Cockream repeatedly pleaded the
Fifth.."

It speaks for itself.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:



http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-
the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/

It just keeps getting better...

http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-
pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/



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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Wow.  "With a criminal investigation hanging over him, former Public
Transportation Commission chief Kyle Cockream repeatedly pleaded the
Fifth.."

It speaks for itself.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
>
> http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-
> the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/
>
> It just keeps getting better...
>
> http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-
> pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today OT

2017-02-14 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
My only complaint is your timing, about six months prior to the election
last fall would have worked just fine for me, but beggars can't be choosers
eh!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It makes me feel great actually.  Couldn't have happened to a more
> deserving scalawag.  And I do really like the fact that I am living in his
> head rent-free and it gets under his skin bigtime.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Here's our current political cluster, of which I can only comment on in a 
limited manner as my department has been involved with the investigation:

Our county has a commission, the PTC, which manages cabs licenses and other 
forms of paid public transportation. It's been well known to be a serious 
cesspool for reasons too numerous to go into here.  Suffice to say when Uber 
and Lyft came onto the scene a year ago, the PTC and its "buddies", the local 
cab companies, were in a major uproar over it and did everything they could to 
keep them out of the County.

The guy who headed the PTC and his right hand thug were former sheriff's 
investigators, to give you some context.

While both ridesharing companies attempted to negotiate ways of working in the 
County, the PTC threatened them with all sorts of nasty tickets, citations, 
etc., etc. to try and discourage them from operating. 

So dumb and dumber cook up this idea where they get cabbies to volunteer to be 
customers for the ridesharing companies and hire them out. The punch line is 
that when they take the "rider" to their destination, someone from the PTC is 
waiting there with a citation for $700. Surprise!

The County administrator got wind of this while it was going on due to the 
complaints and put the head of the PTC on suspension and ordered an 
investigation.  This only pissed the doofus off, so it appears that in the 
interim he gathered up many of the commission employees' County issued cell 
phones and took them to an outside data forensics place to have them wiped. So 
much for public records!

So now a citizen has filed suit for public records disclosure and doofus is 
pleading the Fifth. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement has, as one might 
expect, opened an investigation, as destruction of public records is a crime.

The best part? Some of his texts between he and his minion (who has since 
resigned as well) have been made public, and they're not at all complimentary 
they used to be online but have since been taken down. Here's an op-ed piece on 
them:

http://www.tbo.com/news/carlton-could-salty-talk-be-the-final-straw-for-the-ptc-20170208/

It just keeps getting better...

http://www.tbo.com/news/former-ptc-chief-cockream-pleads-the-fifth-amendment-over-missing-public-records-20170214/

-D

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.
> 
> On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which I 
> once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the former 
> Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 meetings I set up 
> with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC meeting and presented me 
> with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our FB page was getting a little 
> stale and I needed to find some more words to use (I think he was referring 
> to my characterization of him as duplicitous and mendacious, so I guess I 
> will have to start using two-faced liar).  I thanked him, then kindly 
> suggested he could polish his stand-up routine and we would have him come to 
> another meeting sometime soon, it would be great entertainment, we might even 
> make a vid of it so everyone could see it.  That took him aback a bit, he 
> tried to recover but failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was thinking about 
> this for a whole week, and made a special trip to a bookstore to buy the 
> thing, and was all excited about it.  What a little d*ck this guy is.  He 
> knows we basically killed his political future so this is how he acts now.  I 
> think it is awesome, yet pathetic.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> OT offering
>> 
>> When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And 
>> sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim understanding 
>> what you’ve done.
>> 
>> 
>>   *Insouciant*
>> 
>> When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case just 
>> don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. Insouciant 
>> translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance encapsulates the essence 
>> of negligence.
>> 
>> 
>>   Specious
>> 
>> The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your 
>> opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.
>> 
>> 
>>   Banal
>> 
>> You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred times. 
>> It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal assertion does not 
>> justify the position set forth in this case.” This word is correctly 
>> pronounced as many as three ways, though the preferred pronunc
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today OT

2017-02-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
It makes me feel great actually.  Couldn't have happened to a more 
deserving scalawag.  And I do really like the fact that I am living in 
his head rent-free and it gets under his skin bigtime.


A few months ago I got from a source a copy of a summary judgment court 
order in which he was found guilty of stiffing a contractor on one of 
his dirt pit operations (on land bought as a park with County money he 
voted on, in which he has been fined by the state more than once and 
shutdown for coloring outside the lines, in which he is selling dirt to 
contractors whose contracts he votes on as a CC member, imagine all 
that) and was ordered to pay the contractor, and a fine.  It was like 
$25k or something.  (I also had it on good authority that he was under 
water on that business, taking loads of cash out of it for reasons 
unclear though we had some ideas on that.)  Turns out one of the people 
involved in the work as a sub to the stiffed contractor worked for a 
company he was voting on contracts for too, and the guy had ended up 
leaving and setting up his own contracting business that we learned he 
was a silent partner in.  No conflicts there!


So I posted that to our FB page a little while before a CC meeting at 
which they were going to vote on a matter of interest to us.  So they go 
into exec session in the meeting to "receive advice of counsel" on the  
matter (which means the pizza had arrived so they wanted to get a 
nosh).  And the issue comes up, and one of the other Council members, a 
buddy of sorts, asks him what was going on with his legal issue.  He's 
all like, what are you talking about, I got no legal issues.  So he 
says, yeah Floyd posted your summary judgment a little while ago on the 
FB page, what's up?  He had not even been served with it yet so he had 
no idea but at the point I got it it was a public document, court 
record.  He starts blathering, goes completely pale, the subject he was 
pushing got dropped, so victory for our side.  And the others just 
laughed at him.  He was wicket p*ssed about it, screwed over his schemes 
again, I made sure it made it into the paper a few days later, a lot of 
people who live near the dirt pit operation were up in arms about it.


Merka!  I seriously just love it although sometimes it is just too easy, 
the guy is such a dumb*ss and is constantly opening himself up to this 
stuff.


--FT


On 2/14/17 2:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

And how does this make YOU feel?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> wrote:


I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly
banal.

On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at
which I once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of
them are, the former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing
his lies in 2 meetings I set up with him, chased me down as I was
leaving the CC meeting and presented me with a thesaurus, saying
that my schtick on our FB page was getting a little stale and I
needed to find some more words to use (I think he was referring to
my characterization of him as duplicitous and mendacious, so I
guess I will have to start using two-faced liar).  I thanked him,
then kindly suggested he could polish his stand-up routine and we
would have him come to another meeting sometime soon, it would be
great entertainment, we might even make a vid of it so everyone
could see it.  That took him aback a bit, he tried to recover but
failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was thinking about this for
a whole week, and made a special trip to a bookstore to buy the
thing, and was all excited about it.  What a little d*ck this guy
is. He knows we basically killed his political future so this is
how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.

--FT


On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more
concise. And sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger
without the victim understanding what you’ve done.


   *Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice
case just don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures
insouciant. Insouciant translates from French as “uncaring.”
Insouciance encapsulates the essence of negligence.


   Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never
call your opponent a liar. But you might assert that their
arguments are specious.


   Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a
hundred times. It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say,
“Counsel’s banal assertion does not justify the position set
forth in this case.” This word is correctly pronounced as many
as 

Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
And how does this make YOU feel?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.
>
> On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which I
> once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the
> former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 meetings
> I set up with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC meeting and
> presented me with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our FB page was
> getting a little stale and I needed to find some more words to use (I think
> he was referring to my characterization of him as duplicitous and
> mendacious, so I guess I will have to start using two-faced liar).  I
> thanked him, then kindly suggested he could polish his stand-up routine and
> we would have him come to another meeting sometime soon, it would be great
> entertainment, we might even make a vid of it so everyone could see it.
> That took him aback a bit, he tried to recover but failed.  The funny thing
> is, I bet he was thinking about this for a whole week, and made a special
> trip to a bookstore to buy the thing, and was all excited about it.  What a
> little d*ck this guy is.  He knows we basically killed his political future
> so this is how he acts now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> OT offering
>>
>> When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And
>> sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim
>> understanding what you’ve done.
>>
>>
>>*Insouciant*
>>
>> When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case just
>> don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. Insouciant
>> translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance encapsulates the essence
>> of negligence.
>>
>>
>>Specious
>>
>> The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your
>> opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.
>>
>>
>>Banal
>>
>> You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred times.
>> It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal assertion does not
>> justify the position set forth in this case.” This word is correctly
>> pronounced as many as three ways, though the preferred pronunciation rhymes
>> with “canal.”
>>
>>
>> RB
>>
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> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I like my wine to be a bit insouciant, jejune but not particularly banal.

On a related note, after the County Council meeting last week, at which 
I once again gently pointed out what fools the majority of them are, the 
former Chairman, whom we got deposed after exposing his lies in 2 
meetings I set up with him, chased me down as I was leaving the CC 
meeting and presented me with a thesaurus, saying that my schtick on our 
FB page was getting a little stale and I needed to find some more words 
to use (I think he was referring to my characterization of him as 
duplicitous and mendacious, so I guess I will have to start using 
two-faced liar).  I thanked him, then kindly suggested he could polish 
his stand-up routine and we would have him come to another meeting 
sometime soon, it would be great entertainment, we might even make a vid 
of it so everyone could see it.  That took him aback a bit, he tried to 
recover but failed.  The funny thing is, I bet he was thinking about 
this for a whole week, and made a special trip to a bookstore to buy the 
thing, and was all excited about it.  What a little d*ck this guy is.  
He knows we basically killed his political future so this is how he acts 
now.  I think it is awesome, yet pathetic.


--FT


On 2/13/17 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. 
And sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim 
understanding what you’ve done.



   *Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case 
just don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. 
Insouciant translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance 
encapsulates the essence of negligence.



   Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your 
opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.



   Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred 
times. It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal 
assertion does not justify the position set forth in this case.” This 
word is correctly pronounced as many as three ways, though the 
preferred pronunciation rhymes with “canal.”



RB

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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[MBZ] slow start today

2017-02-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

OT offering

When your brain knows just the right word, you can be more concise. And 
sometimes you can slip in the verbal dagger without the victim 
understanding what you’ve done.



   *Insouciant*

When you want to say the defendants in the medical malpractice case just 
don’t give a damn, you can label their procedures insouciant. Insouciant 
translates from French as “uncaring.” Insouciance encapsulates the 
essence of negligence.



   Specious

The law is a learned profession, right? So you would never call your 
opponent a liar. But you might assert that their arguments are specious.



   Banal

You (and the judge) have heard this (specious?) argument a hundred 
times. It’s trite. It’s boring. You could say, “Counsel’s banal 
assertion does not justify the position set forth in this case.” This 
word is correctly pronounced as many as three ways, though the preferred 
pronunciation rhymes with “canal.”



RB

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Re: [MBZ] Cold start.

2016-12-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
It was -5F here. The Jetta fired on the first compression stroke. I did glow it 
twice though...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Fred Moir via 
Mercedes wrote:   At 2.7 degrees yesterday morning.

Crank-wh-clunk.

Crank-wh.

Crank and start.

B*lls! need new starter drive/starter.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold start.

2016-12-17 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Sending you some really cold air now.   You are welcome!   I don't want it!

These are the days that try men's souls.and vocabulary!

Fred Moir via Mercedes 
December 17, 2016 at 12:13 PM
At 2.7 degrees yesterday morning.

Crank-wh-clunk.

Crank-wh.

Crank and start.

B*lls! need new starter drive/starter.


Fred Moir.


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[MBZ] Cold start.

2016-12-17 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
At 2.7 degrees yesterday morning.

Crank-wh-clunk.

Crank-wh.

Crank and start.

B*lls! need new starter drive/starter.


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[MBZ] Confusing start system problem

2016-01-08 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Question:
I just finished putting a new backup/starter safety switch and the contact 
assembly on the back of the ignition module, in my '83 300D; but the starter 
still won't work.
Turning the key all the way clockwise just lights up the preheat bulb.
Since there hasn't been an ignition key spring return on start for some time, I 
suspect there might be something jammed in the mechanical part of the ignition 
assembly which can't be disassembled. A new mechanical part is expensive.
Has anyone had experience with this problem?
Thanks,
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Confusing start system problem

2016-01-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

The one-only and spring return junk is all in the electrical
switch, IIRC.  The mechanical part only has the column lock.
(This is all from memory, from when I re-wafered the tumbler
on the Chicken Wagon [83 300D].)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-22 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Max.Thanks for the info. I had not looked closely at the body mounts, but I 
will now.I need to move Bent out of here, to be someone else's white elephant. 
A radiator, a radiator, my kingdom for a radiator, not.
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:14:29 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No start.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
 Definitely worth holding onto for spares if you've got the space.  At a
 minimum, I would keep the complete engine/transmission/differential/rear
 hatch assembly/tail lights/rear bumper.  If the interior is decent, the
 carpet is unique as well as the rear seats and back, but gasser models of
 newer vintage are out there too.
 
 Take a close look at the rear sub-frame bushings on both wagons.  The body
 sheet metal was too thin / weak from the factory in the first years of the
 124 wagon, and those bushing seats are subject to cracking.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
  
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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-22 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Fred ź do you want me to check with my Indy Fred? Just got CD back from him
for AC work.
On Jul 22, 2015 12:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Max.Thanks for the info. I had not looked closely at the body mounts, but
 I will now.I need to move Bent out of here, to be someone else's white
 elephant. A radiator, a radiator, my kingdom for a radiator, not.
 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

  Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:14:29 -0400
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] No start.
  From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
  CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
  Definitely worth holding onto for spares if you've got the space.  At a
  minimum, I would keep the complete engine/transmission/differential/rear
  hatch assembly/tail lights/rear bumper.  If the interior is decent, the
  carpet is unique as well as the rear seats and back, but gasser models of
  newer vintage are out there too.
 
  Take a close look at the rear sub-frame bushings on both wagons.  The
 body
  sheet metal was too thin / weak from the factory in the first years of
 the
  124 wagon, and those bushing seats are subject to cracking.
 
  -
  Max
  Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-22 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Dwight.Any help would be appreciated. Muchly!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:03:45 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No start.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 
 Fred ź do you want me to check with my Indy Fred? Just got CD back from him
 for AC work.
 On Jul 22, 2015 12:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  Max.Thanks for the info. I had not looked closely at the body mounts, but
  I will now.I need to move Bent out of here, to be someone else's white
  elephant. A radiator, a radiator, my kingdom for a radiator, not.
  Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  
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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-22 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Fred,
Give me specs  price point  i will call Fred's Autohaus tomorrow.
On Jul 22, 2015 6:59 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Dwight.Any help would be appreciated. Muchly!

 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

  Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:03:45 -0400
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] No start.
  From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
  CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 
  Fred ź do you want me to check with my Indy Fred? Just got CD back from
 him
  for AC work.
  On Jul 22, 2015 12:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  wrote:
 
   Max.Thanks for the info. I had not looked closely at the body mounts,
 but
   I will now.I need to move Bent out of here, to be someone else's white
   elephant. A radiator, a radiator, my kingdom for a radiator, not.
   Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-22 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Definitely worth holding onto for spares if you've got the space.  At a
minimum, I would keep the complete engine/transmission/differential/rear
hatch assembly/tail lights/rear bumper.  If the interior is decent, the
carpet is unique as well as the rear seats and back, but gasser models of
newer vintage are out there too.

Take a close look at the rear sub-frame bushings on both wagons.  The body
sheet metal was too thin / weak from the factory in the first years of the
124 wagon, and those bushing seats are subject to cracking.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Max.Not decided yet, though as a rust bitten car it will not be very
 valuable.More to come.


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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-22 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Max.Not decided yet, though as a rust bitten car it will not be very 
valuable.More to come.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:04:36 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No start.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
 Replacement as in Smoke Silver will be for sale?  Price?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On July 21, 2015 11:43:05 AM EDT, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Had an interesting one this a.m.Going to the insco. to register my
 latest Hunter Green 300TD.
 Went out to the car (87 300TD Smoke Silver), sat, turned key
 nothing.S**t!Tried to jump from the 190D Bent, nothing. WTF?It seems
 that the ground cable broke off clean at the shock tower lug.Replaced
 it and good to go.This old girl is failing faster than I can fix her,
 or she knows that a replacement has arrived.
 
 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. 
  
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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

She needs moir care!

--R


On 7/21/15 11:43 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Had an interesting one this a.m.Going to the insco. to register my latest 
Hunter Green 300TD.
Went out to the car (87 300TD Smoke Silver), sat, turned key 
nothing.S**t!Tried to jump from the 190D Bent, nothing. WTF?It seems that the 
ground cable broke off clean at the shock tower lug.Replaced it and good to 
go.This old girl is failing faster than I can fix her, or she knows that a 
replacement has arrived.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. 
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[MBZ] No start.

2015-07-21 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Had an interesting one this a.m.Going to the insco. to register my latest 
Hunter Green 300TD.
Went out to the car (87 300TD Smoke Silver), sat, turned key 
nothing.S**t!Tried to jump from the 190D Bent, nothing. WTF?It seems that the 
ground cable broke off clean at the shock tower lug.Replaced it and good to 
go.This old girl is failing faster than I can fix her, or she knows that a 
replacement has arrived.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.   
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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Replacement as in Smoke Silver will be for sale?  Price?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 21, 2015 11:43:05 AM EDT, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Had an interesting one this a.m.Going to the insco. to register my
latest Hunter Green 300TD.
Went out to the car (87 300TD Smoke Silver), sat, turned key
nothing.S**t!Tried to jump from the 190D Bent, nothing. WTF?It seems
that the ground cable broke off clean at the shock tower lug.Replaced
it and good to go.This old girl is failing faster than I can fix her,
or she knows that a replacement has arrived.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.  
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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-21 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
So does my wife!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:48:23 -0400
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No start.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 
 She needs moir care!
 
 --R
 
 
 On 7/21/15 11:43 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
  Had an interesting one this a.m.Going to the insco. to register my latest 
  Hunter Green 300TD.
  Went out to the car (87 300TD Smoke Silver), sat, turned key 
  nothing.S**t!Tried to jump from the 190D Bent, nothing. WTF?It seems that 
  the ground cable broke off clean at the shock tower lug.Replaced it and 
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[MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Gerry Archer

Nearly every car being manufactured right now comes with a little added
bonus by way of a tiny recording device nestled under the center console.
And if you're looking to keep your driving habits under wraps, you might
want to start worrying.
As many as 96 percent of the cars mass-produced in 2013 include event data
recorders, or EDRs, yet the existence of these small black box
surveillance devices are rarely known among the automobile drivers whose
data is being collected with every quick turn of the steering wheel.
Despite widespread ignorance of the EDRs, though, they could soon become
mandatory. The US Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration is asking that the installation of EDRs in light
passenger vehicles be mandatory starting September 2014, and opponents are
already attempting to raise awareness in order to make auto drivers aware
that their sudden speed bursts and even seatbelt data is being collected and
could be easily shared.
But with little safeguards in place, the still emerging technology is
raising a lot of questions about what can legally be collected and who can
access that information.
These cars are equipped with computers that collect massive amounts of
data, Khaliah Barnes of the Electronic Privacy Information Center told the
New York Times for an article published on Sunday. Without protections, it
can lead to all kinds of abuse, she said.
When Barnes caught up with CBS This Morning earlier this year, she said that
only 13 states have so far implemented rules which make that data the
property of the driver, preventing it from being picked at and put under
analysis without proper consent. Barnes admitted that the majority of states
don't have these privacy safeguards, though, and the result is rearing the
data of everyone else available to third-parties with little protection.
There's not so much privacy concerns as actual threats to privacy, Barnes
told CBS. These machines collect lots of data, and right now there are no
federal laws that safeguard this information. And so what happens is there
is an increasing market for this information. Law enforcement wants to see
this information. Insurance companies, as well as private citizens involved
in litigation.
But what kind of data is recorded exactly? Standard EDRs don't log the
identity or actions of specific persons in cars, per se, but they are able
to provide investigators insight with what happened moments before a
collision. When they were first rolled out, though, that wasn't the plan.
It was never designed for investigative purposes, Dave Wells of the King
County Sheriff's Office in Washington state told National Public Radio. It
was designed for ... motor vehicle safety and keeping people less injured
and alive.
Depending on the type of EDR, these black boxes can record the speed of a
vehicle, the crash force at the moment of impact and an array of other
information about the automobile's inner workings.
It really just takes a snapshot of the event, John Giamalvo of Edmunds.com
told CBS News.
Other information that can be collected and then shared includes whether or
not the car's brake was activated before the crash, the state of the engine
and whether the vehicle seat belt was buckled before an incident.
More often than not, the data from this is going to help them in an
accident, Giamalvo said. It's at least going to point out one thing, and
that's the facts.
Those facts played an important role in the 2011 crash of the Ford Crown
Victoria operated by Timothy Murray, who at the time was the lieutenant
governor of Massachusetts. He smashed his government-issued automobile and
survived without serious injuries, but initially told police that he had
been wearing his seatbelt and driving at a safe speed. Data removed from the
black box later proved him inaccurate on both accounts. Murray later
admitted to falling asleep at the wheel before his car crashed at a speed of
over 100 miles an hour.
But because laws differ from state to state, Murray's ability to keep
investigators from collecting that data proved to be futile. Massachusetts
is one of the many states that have failed to pass legislation outlining who
can control and access that data, meaning millions of automobiles can be
subjected to spontaneous analysis if the right paperwork is written up.
Under the proposal that the NHTSA hopes to have on the books by the end of
next year, automobile manufacturers will be mandated to provide a
commercially available tool for copying the data collected by EDRs.

 http://rt.com/usa/car-recording-edr-device-429/


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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Mitch Haley

In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the data 
box.
When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search warrant for my 
data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to read warrants 
before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)


Mitch.

Gerry Archer wrote:


Those facts played an important role in the 2011 crash of the Ford Crown
Victoria operated by Timothy Murray, who at the time was the lieutenant
governor of Massachusetts. He smashed his government-issued automobile and
survived without serious injuries, but initially told police that he had
been wearing his seatbelt and driving at a safe speed. Data removed from 
the

black box later proved him inaccurate on both accounts. Murray later
admitted to falling asleep at the wheel before his car crashed at a 
speed of

over 100 miles an hour.
But because laws differ from state to state, Murray's ability to keep
investigators from collecting that data proved to be futile. Massachusetts
is one of the many states that have failed to pass legislation outlining 
who

can control and access that data, meaning millions of automobiles can be
subjected to spontaneous analysis if the right paperwork is written up.



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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
You should join the ACLU.  They are all over this.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the
 data box.
 When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search warrant
 for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to read
 warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)

 Mitch.

 Gerry Archer wrote:

 Those facts played an important role in the 2011 crash of the Ford Crown
 Victoria operated by Timothy Murray, who at the time was the lieutenant
 governor of Massachusetts. He smashed his government-issued automobile and
 survived without serious injuries, but initially told police that he had
 been wearing his seatbelt and driving at a safe speed. Data removed from
 the
 black box later proved him inaccurate on both accounts. Murray later
 admitted to falling asleep at the wheel before his car crashed at a speed
 of
 over 100 miles an hour.
 But because laws differ from state to state, Murray's ability to keep
 investigators from collecting that data proved to be futile. Massachusetts
 is one of the many states that have failed to pass legislation outlining
 who
 can control and access that data, meaning millions of automobiles can be
 subjected to spontaneous analysis if the right paperwork is written up.


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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
That would be for a very limited market.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the
 data box.
 When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search warrant
 for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to read
 warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)

 Mitch.

 One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program such a
 black box.

 Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Rich Thomas

A hammer would do it, or any high-voltage source.

--R


On 7/23/13 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program 
such a black box.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell

On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, 
the data box.
When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search 
warrant for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even 
seem to read warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)


Mitch.

One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program such 
a black box.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell

You might be surprised at how big the market would be.

Randy

On 23/07/2013 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That would be for a very limited market.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the
data box.
When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search warrant
for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to read
warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)

Mitch.

One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program such a

black box.

Randy






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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell
I was thinking more along the lines of an ability to program the box to 
tell the govt that all was well - the seat belts were fastened with care 
and the speed limits were being obeyed.
Sort of like the aftermarket O2 sensors that tell the car computer all 
is within specs, often used on hot rod cars after the cat has been 
removed etc.


Randy

On 23/07/2013 3:06 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

A hammer would do it, or any high-voltage source.

--R


On 7/23/13 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program 
such a black box.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Rolf

I wont own a car with one.

-Rolf

On 7/23/2013 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

You might be surprised at how big the market would be.

Randy

On 23/07/2013 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That would be for a very limited market.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca 
wrote:



On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, 
the

data box.
When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search 
warrant
for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to 
read

warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)

Mitch.

One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program 
such a

black box.

Randy






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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell


However, if you have nothing to hide, it might well save you from 
allegations of wrong doing.


Randy

On 23/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rolf wrote:

I wont own a car with one.

-Rolf

On 7/23/2013 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

You might be surprised at how big the market would be.

Randy

On 23/07/2013 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That would be for a very limited market.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca 
wrote:



On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would 
assume, the

data box.
When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search 
warrant
for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem 
to read

warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)

Mitch.

One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program 
such a

black box.

Randy








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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
This is why my new car is from 1985.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


 However, if you have nothing to hide, it might well save you from
 allegations of wrong doing.

 Randy

 On 23/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rolf wrote:

 I wont own a car with one.

 -Rolf

 On 7/23/2013 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 You might be surprised at how big the market would be.

 Randy

 On 23/07/2013 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 That would be for a very limited market.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 wrote:

 On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the
 data box.
 When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search
 warrant
 for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to
 read
 warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)

 Mitch.

 One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program
 such a

 black box.

 Randy






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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Allan Streib
If there were a way to ensure that the data were only made available in
a crash investigation I would not really oppose it.  There is something
of a public good served in being able to show that a person was
driving negligently and caused an accident, thus making him more likely
to be held responsible for his actions.

But I don't see a way that could be guaranteed.  History shows that laws
always expand beyond original intent and information is always used if
it can be obtained.

Furthermore I doubt that there are very many cases where the physical
evidence of the crash would not be sufficient to determine if
e.g. excessive speed was a factor.

Allan

Rolf r...@winmutt.com writes:

 I wont own a car with one.

 -Rolf

 On 7/23/2013 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 You might be surprised at how big the market would be.

 Randy

 On 23/07/2013 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 That would be for a very limited market.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca 
 wrote:

 On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, 
 the
 data box.
 When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search 
 warrant
 for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to 
 read
 warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)

 Mitch.

 One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program 
 such a
 black box.

 Randy





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Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Rick Knoble
If you own a car made in this century, you probably already own a car with a 
black box. They have been around a while. 

http://www.crashdataservices.net/Vehicles.html

http://www.crashforensics.com/files/CDRVehicleList.pdf

It is interesting that GM was one of the first to use
CDR devices and the German manufacturers are
the last. 

Rick
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On Jul 23, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote:

 I wont own a car with one.
 
 -Rolf
 
 On 7/23/2013 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 You might be surprised at how big the market would be.
 
 Randy
 
 On 23/07/2013 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 That would be for a very limited market.
 
 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
 
 In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the
 data box.
 When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search warrant
 for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to read
 warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality)
 
 Mitch.
 
 One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program such a
 black box.
 
 Randy
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-06 Thread Max Dillon
   Someone else on this list has offered that a 9 volt battery can help find 
the problem; connect negative to ground and positive to your suspect wire, and 
use a volt meter to find out where the problem lies.
-- 
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Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

It did not work after I installed the new electrical portion of the
ignition switch. The new switch was comparable the original I'd say.
The
more I think about it, I think it's the wire from the ignition switch
to
the solenoid.



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Re: [MBZ] MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-06 Thread Dieselhead


Bingo!


It did not work after I installed the new electrical portion of the
ignition switch. The new switch was comparable the original I'd say. The
more I think about it, I think it's the wire from the ignition switch to
the solenoid.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-06 Thread Jerry Herrman
What does DAHIK mean, as in  - - - and welding the screw driver to the chassis 
(DAHIK).

Jerry
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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-06 Thread Peter Frederick

Don't ask how I know.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-06 Thread OK Don
Given the rest of the spelling in my post, I can see why he questioned
DAHIK - could have been anything! Sheesh, how embarassing.


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[MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Bob Rentfro
Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
Starter
Voltage regulator
Cables
Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the key
on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Randy Bennell

On 05/04/2013 10:09 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
Starter
Voltage regulator
Cables
Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the key
on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.

Bob R

When you say it spins the starter do you mean only the starter, or 
that the engine turns over but does not catch.
If the former, then the starter is not engaging the ring gear or 
something is wrong with the ringgear/flywheel etc.


If the latter, then one must wonder if the engine is getting fuel or if 
the glow plugs are not getting power with the key on.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Bob Rentfro
Starter is not engaging but only when using big screwdriver. Key does
nothing. Guess I will get the light out tomorrow and check stuff out. I
hate electrical crap. Ironic, huh.

Bob R
On Apr 5, 2013 8:23 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 05/04/2013 10:09 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

 Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
 Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
 Starter
 Voltage regulator
 Cables
 Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the
 key
 on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
 starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.

 Bob R

  When you say it spins the starter do you mean only the starter, or
 that the engine turns over but does not catch.
 If the former, then the starter is not engaging the ring gear or something
 is wrong with the ringgear/flywheel etc.

 If the latter, then one must wonder if the engine is getting fuel or if
 the glow plugs are not getting power with the key on.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Curt Raymond
When you say it does nothing does the dash not light up, radio not come on?

You might pull the vacuum line from the shutoff valve, that sounds to me like 
the reason for the car not starting when the starter spins.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:30:09 -0700
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Starter is not engaging but only when using big screwdriver. Key does
nothing. Guess I will get the light out tomorrow and check stuff out. I
hate electrical crap. Ironic, huh.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Bob Rentfro
Everything works electrically. The starter spins, the engine does not. The
starter spins only when I jump across the terminals with a screwdriver.
Turning the key does nothing... but all the dash lights come on correctly.

Bob R
On Apr 5, 2013 9:12 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 When you say it does nothing does the dash not light up, radio not come
 on?

 You might pull the vacuum line from the shutoff valve, that sounds to me
 like the reason for the car not starting when the starter spins.

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:30:09 -0700
 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D
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 Starter is not engaging but only when using big screwdriver. Key does
 nothing. Guess I will get the light out tomorrow and check stuff out. I
 hate electrical crap. Ironic, huh.

 Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Randy Bennell

What starter terminals are we referring to?
Are you on the starter or the solenoid?

Randy

On 05/04/2013 11:19 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

Everything works electrically. The starter spins, the engine does not. The
starter spins only when I jump across the terminals with a screwdriver.
Turning the key does nothing... but all the dash lights come on correctly.

Bob R
On Apr 5, 2013 9:12 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


When you say it does nothing does the dash not light up, radio not come
on?

You might pull the vacuum line from the shutoff valve, that sounds to me
like the reason for the car not starting when the starter spins.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:30:09 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Starter is not engaging but only when using big screwdriver. Key does
nothing. Guess I will get the light out tomorrow and check stuff out. I
hate electrical crap. Ironic, huh.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Bob Rentfro
H.I'll have to check more closely to what I did.
On Apr 5, 2013 9:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 What starter terminals are we referring to?
 Are you on the starter or the solenoid?

 Randy

 On 05/04/2013 11:19 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

 Everything works electrically. The starter spins, the engine does not. The
 starter spins only when I jump across the terminals with a screwdriver.
 Turning the key does nothing... but all the dash lights come on correctly.

 Bob R
 On Apr 5, 2013 9:12 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  When you say it does nothing does the dash not light up, radio not come
 on?

 You might pull the vacuum line from the shutoff valve, that sounds to me
 like the reason for the car not starting when the starter spins.

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:30:09 -0700
 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D
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 Starter is not engaging but only when using big screwdriver. Key does
 nothing. Guess I will get the light out tomorrow and check stuff out. I
 hate electrical crap. Ironic, huh.

 Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Max Dillon
Automatic transmission?  Neutral safety switch!  Might also be loose/missing 
shift rod bushings.

-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
Starter
Voltage regulator
Cables
Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the
key
on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Bob Rentfro
It's a manual.

Bob R
On Apr 5, 2013 10:48 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Automatic transmission?  Neutral safety switch!  Might also be
 loose/missing shift rod bushings.

 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
 Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
 Starter
 Voltage regulator
 Cables
 Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the
 key
 on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
 starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.
 
 Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Randy Bennell
Is there a safety switch that requires you to depress the clutch to 
start it?


Randy

On 05/04/2013 1:25 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

It's a manual.

Bob R
On Apr 5, 2013 10:48 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:


Automatic transmission?  Neutral safety switch!  Might also be
loose/missing shift rod bushings.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:


Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
Starter
Voltage regulator
Cables
Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the
key
on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread M G
Which of the terminals on the starter/solenoid are you jumping with the 
screwdriver?

If it's the two big bolts with the heavy wires on them then the only thing that 
will happen is that the starter will turn. Just what is happening. 

If you are jumping the big wire coming into the solenoid to the small contact 
with the push-on terminal on it and the starter just turns then there is 
something wrong with the solenoid.

My guess is that you are jumping the two big wires. Try jumping the incoming 
big wire to the little terminal and it should make the starter turn the engine 
over rather then just running by itself. There should be a small wire on that 
small terminal. If there isn't then you need to look for it because it fell 
off. (push-on connector too loose) That would also be why turning the key 
doesn't make the starter work.

Manfred


Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:09:19 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] No Start, 240D


Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
Starter
Voltage regulator
Cables
Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the key
on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Michael Canfield
Sounds like you are not getting the right terminals with the screwdriver.
You need the big top one and the little o e to engage the motor and
solenoid.  If you just cross the big two only the starter motor will spin.

Mike
On Apr 5, 2013 2:25 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a manual.

 Bob R
 On Apr 5, 2013 10:48 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  Automatic transmission?  Neutral safety switch!  Might also be
  loose/missing shift rod bushings.
 
  --
  Max Dillon
  Charleston SC
  '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
 
  Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
  Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
  Starter
  Voltage regulator
  Cables
  Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the
  key
  on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
  starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.
  
  Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Bob Rentfro
The first thing I'm checking when I get home is to put a light on the small
wire going from the ignition switch to the solenoid and see if that lights
up when someone turns they key for me.

Bob R
On Apr 5, 2013 3:24 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sounds like you are not getting the right terminals with the screwdriver.
 You need the big top one and the little o e to engage the motor and
 solenoid.  If you just cross the big two only the starter motor will spin.

 Mike
 On Apr 5, 2013 2:25 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

  It's a manual.
 
  Bob R
  On Apr 5, 2013 10:48 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
   Automatic transmission?  Neutral safety switch!  Might also be
   loose/missing shift rod bushings.
  
   --
   Max Dillon
   Charleston SC
   '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
  
   Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
   Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
   Starter
   Voltage regulator
   Cables
   Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn
 the
   key
   on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins
 the
   starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.
   
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Bob Rentfro
I think I did touch the two big terminals. I'm going to check the little
wire from the ignition switch...put a light on it while someone turns the
key. I think that might be the issue.

Bob R
On Apr 5, 2013 3:19 PM, M G trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Which of the terminals on the starter/solenoid are you jumping with the
 screwdriver?

 If it's the two big bolts with the heavy wires on them then the only thing
 that will happen is that the starter will turn. Just what is happening.

 If you are jumping the big wire coming into the solenoid to the small
 contact with the push-on terminal on it and the starter just turns then
 there is something wrong with the solenoid.

 My guess is that you are jumping the two big wires. Try jumping the
 incoming big wire to the little terminal and it should make the starter
 turn the engine over rather then just running by itself. There should be a
 small wire on that small terminal. If there isn't then you need to look for
 it because it fell off. (push-on connector too loose) That would also be
 why turning the key doesn't make the starter work.

 Manfred


 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:09:19 -0700
 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
 Subject: [MBZ] No Start, 240D


 Over the last 4 months, I have replaced the following:
 Ignition switch (electrical and mechanical portions)
 Starter
 Voltage regulator
 Cables
 Car will not start. Nothing happens when key is turned. When I turn the key
 on and try to start it using the big old screwdriver, it just spins the
 starter.What should I check? I'm getting annoyed.

 Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] No Start, 240D

2013-04-05 Thread Craig
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:19:41 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Everything works electrically. The starter spins, the engine does not.
 The starter spins only when I jump across the terminals with a
 screwdriver. Turning the key does nothing... but all the dash lights
 come on correctly.

Sounds like you have multiple problems:

- If the starter spins, but the engine does not, you at least need a new
  starter solenoid. More likely a new (rebuilt by Bosch) starter.

- If you cannot make the starter spin with the key, you have an
  electrical problem. Could be the Neutral/Park lockout switch on the
  side of the automatic transmission. Could be wiring or anything else on
  the journey from the battery to the center terminal on the soleniod.


Craig

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