Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Nearly everything in a house is not that voltage or frequency sensitive. For that matter, even in commercial installations it’s not an issue. The only time I ever came up against a problem with the quality of the generator output was with some really sensitive Johnson Controls HVAC stuff, which

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
If you needed to have generator current with stable freq. and waveform, would it make sense to run the juice through a VFD, or would that only work for motors?   5 KW would need a honkin big VFD, but I got a huge Siemens VFD from the univ junk sale for $400 a few years ago.  I think it was good

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
"sitting a couple years..."  Probably more like 40 to 70 years Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 1/11/19 6:17 PM: Don’t know about the cap, it depends on the unit. That generator looks to be some sort of on-off military contract unit. Powered with a Wisconsin VG4D from the looks of things.

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 1/11/19 5:23 PM: I pulled the motor and blower unit from my old heat pump, was thinking to use it in the shop for a fan. I know it is 220V, would I need to hook up the capacitor to it to get it going or would that be small enough to get rolling on its own?

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Rotating iron generators start motors well, because they're basically trading inertia through overloaded wiring, but by the time the genny slows down much or heat can build up the load is enough up to speed that it's back to 'normal' current and things recover. _Inverter_ generators don't have n

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Don’t know about the cap, it depends on the unit. That generator looks to be some sort of on-off military contract unit. Powered with a Wisconsin VG4D from the looks of things. -D > On Jan 11, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > My memory is a little hazy here, but it se

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
My memory is a little hazy here, but it seems like AC/Heat Pump outdoor units usually have a twin start cap for the compressor and the fan. Anyway, speaking of generators, I bet Dan knows what this is, I sure don't: https://lansing.craigslist.org/hvo/d/dewitt-military-generator/6779443753.html

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
This one had an external capacitor I had to change a time or two, maybe it was for the compressor.  I'll take a look at this unit at some point and see what it has.  It's been a coupla years since I looked at it --FT On 1/11/19 6:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: It is probably reconnecta

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
A 3650 Husky (Home Depot branded Homelite with 6.5hp Subaru) hardly noticed my furnace (3 ton blower) kicking in. I have no idea what the HP rating on the blower it. Generator claims 4550 surge watts. When I hooked it up to a 4500W water heater, it lugged down and put out 197 volts at full throt

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It is probably reconnectable to 120 VAC - look on the nameplate or the cover plate for the connections. If it had a capacitor on it as long as it’s connected the way it was wired you should be good. Capacitor start motors usually have a metal cover over the capacitor that looks like a large c

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I pulled the motor and blower unit from my old heat pump, was thinking to use it in the shop for a fan. I know it is 220V, would I need to hook up the capacitor to it to get it going or would that be small enough to get rolling on its own? --FT On 1/11/19 5:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrot

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yes. You’re unlikely to find a motor in household equipment that’s more than maybe 1-2 HP at best, and that would be on something pretty substantial, such as an AC compressor. A furnace blower is going to be in the 1/2 HP range in most cases. -D > On Jan 11, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Craig via Merc

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:50:04 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Single phase small (>10) HP and fractional HP motors are typically > around the middle of the alphabet. Small is smaller than 10 HP? Or did you mean something else? Craig ___ http://www.ok

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The bulk of the power required by a furnace is in the blower motor. The controls are pretty much inconsequential, especially if they’re electronics. The real b*tch here is the inrush current the blower motor needs to get started. Since I”ll almost guarantee the motor is capacitor start/split p

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 11/01/2019 3:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: How much power does a furnace require? I imagine forced air is more than hydronic. My oil burner has a fan (forced induction) and an oil pump that runs off of it. There's also a couple water valves. I wonder if an 800w inverter would run

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
How much power does a furnace require? I imagine forced air is more than hydronic. My oil burner has a fan (forced induction) and an oil pump that runs off of it. There's also a couple water valves. I wonder if an 800w inverter would run it. If it would you could use the inverter with a battery

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Anything computerized, or otherwise running off low-voltage DC, doesn't care what the power is like. It can be fairly filthy, with no problems. BUT!!! The ability of the internal _power_supply_ itself to survive filthy power is usually what is at issue, some early circuits were overly sensiti

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I thought it an interesting concept to share. On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:28 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 11/01/2019 2:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > A "clean" generator would be a ginormous storage battery charged by wind, > > solar or geoth

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 11/01/2019 2:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: A "clean" generator would be a ginormous storage battery charged by wind, solar or geothermal power. Of course, the manufacturing process of the unit as well as the renewable energy equipment all have a carbon footprint but operationall

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
A "clean" generator would be a ginormous storage battery charged by wind, solar or geothermal power. Of course, the manufacturing process of the unit as well as the renewable energy equipment all have a carbon footprint but operationally - zero emissions. On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 1:38 PM Dan--- via

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
“Clean” is a relative term. No generator powered by an internal combustion engine produces “clean” power. If you look at the sine wave from any generator like this it will have all sorts of noise on it and the waveform will not be symmetrical or smooth. What will matter most, if it cares, is v

Re: [MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
If you lose power in WInnipeg in February you have roughly 5 minutes before freezing solid. Seriously - has this ever happened?. On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:23 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > How does one tell how "clean" the power is from a generator? I had no > c

[MBZ] OT Q - generator power

2019-01-11 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
How does one tell how "clean" the power is from a generator? I had no concerns about my generators being able to power my old Lennox furnace given it was a 1981 vintage and had nothing really electronic in the controls. However, we replaced the furnace about 3 years ago with a high efficiency L

Re: [MBZ] OT - Q

2018-03-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I failed the ChowdaQ driver acuity test so am nursing a grudge. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > Well we will keep our hoax & you will never need to be bothered by being > part of it. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Mar 7, 2018 3:28 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Merce

Re: [MBZ] OT - Q

2018-03-07 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Well we will keep our hoax & you will never need to be bothered by being part of it. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Mar 7, 2018 3:28 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So-called "ChowdahQ" is an elaborate, sophisticated hoax. Trust me on > this. > > On Tue,

Re: [MBZ] OT - Q

2018-03-07 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
AKA - fake news. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So-called "ChowdahQ" is an elaborate, sophisticated hoax. Trust me on > this. > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people ne

Re: [MBZ] OT - Q

2018-03-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
So-called "ChowdahQ" is an elaborate, sophisticated hoax. Trust me on this. On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > --R wrote: > > Well if it’s on the internets it must be true > > Yes it is the internets, and that is why the tinfoil hats. > T

Re: [MBZ] OT - Q

2018-03-06 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote: > Well if it’s on the internets it must be true Yes it is the internets, and that is why the tinfoil hats. To Dwight - nope, not as tasty as ChowdahQ. tin.man ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To U

Re: [MBZ] OT - Q

2018-03-06 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
I thought you were talking about the ChowdahQ Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Mar 6, 2018 9:50 PM, "Mountain Man via Mercedes" wrote: > Does anyone read the postings of Q? > See - True Lies QNN - a youtube channel that never ends. Reference is > made to "Q-drops" which are posts put out somep

Re: [MBZ] OT - Q

2018-03-06 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Well if it’s on the internets it must be true --R Sent from iPhone > On Mar 6, 2018, at 9:50 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does anyone read the postings of Q? > See - True Lies QNN - a youtube channel that never ends. Reference is > made to "Q-drops" which are posts put out some

[MBZ] OT - Q

2018-03-06 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Does anyone read the postings of Q? See - True Lies QNN - a youtube channel that never ends. Reference is made to "Q-drops" which are posts put out someplace, perhaps at reddit, perhaps at 4chan or 8chan whatever that is. What was said is that this is someone deep inside DC who knows goings on of

[MBZ] OT Q for the network guys

2015-03-23 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I am getting annoyed with email attachments being stripped off email from certain senders, with no apparent pattern. Today I received an email sent with an important attachment, but when I received it, there was no attachment. The first instance I noticed was close to a year ago, the local co

Re: [MBZ] OT Q for computer guys

2014-03-04 Thread Curt Raymond
4 Mar 2014 16:02:49 -0600 From: Randy Bennell To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Q for computer guys Message-ID: <53164d89.4020...@bennell.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My computer guy told me a while back that he would make me a usb stick 

Re: [MBZ] OT Q for computer guys

2014-03-04 Thread Rich Thomas
I think you can put some sort of Unix flavor on the stick and boot from it, then use the file utility to just "Copy C -> D" or whatever, which should move everything over and make an image of C at whatever time you do it. You could try Ubuntu, which is a fully-featured OS and not wildly differ

[MBZ] OT Q for computer guys

2014-03-04 Thread Randy Bennell
My computer guy told me a while back that he would make me a usb stick with the necessary files on to permit me to boot the computer and then to use it to copy the whole hard drive onto a portable drive so that it would be available as a backup to restore the computer in the event of trouble. U