Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-08 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
This afternoon I did a tank exchange (empty one for a full one) at 
Wal-Mart for $16.89.  'Did not turn in the leaking one yet, though.


Grilled coupla mighty good salmon steaks without burning myself nor the 
house.


BTW, the two small ('bout 5/8 dia.) burned spots on my hand are healing 
fast and nicely - not burned as badly as I first thought.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire



On 04/08/2015 7:45 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Kleb sez: You can get bottles filled but around here most people just 
swap theirs for a full one for about $18 or so. I guess this is a reason 
why charcoal is better but we use propane because it's easier.


Those swap cylinders are NOT full.  they have 16-18 lb in a 25 lb 
cylinder.  When you get the tank filled, they put in 25 lb for a buck or 
two less than a swap.




Does Costco sell propane down south?
We are currently paying $8.45 for a 20# fill at Costco here in Winnipeg.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 17:57:36 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 BTW, the two small ('bout 5/8 dia.) burned spots on my hand are
 healing fast and nicely - not burned as badly as I first thought.

Good!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-07 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I haven’t noticed if Costco sells propane here.  I’ll be interested to see what 
Andrew finds out.

Dan


 On Aug 4, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That's sick.  HD charges more than triple what you pay.  I'll check at the
 Pentagon City Costco when I go there later today..
 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-05 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

the engine ingested all the gas and ran away, destroying the engine.


Can't happen unless you put/left it in neutral.  The brakes are
stronger than the engine.  With an automatic you'll be limited to
the stall speed of the TC, maybe 1800RPM 'til the outside fuel
runs out.  On a manny, you should be able to kill the engine.
Unless either the brakes or the clutch are weak.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-05 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Packing nut leak?  Overflow screw leaks?  Or was the O-ring that
is part of the new connection scheme faulty?  (I believe the new
plastic handscrew relies upon an O-ring seal.  Versus the [old,
and still there] LH screw thread seal that is metal-on-metal.)

Either way, when suspecting a leak a spray of soapy water is
always in order before applying fire!

I'm glad there was no lasting damage, to anyone/anything.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 04/08/2015 2:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

On 04/08/2015 7:45 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Kleb sez: You can get bottles filled but around here most people 
just swap theirs for a full one for about $18 or so. I guess this 
is a reason why charcoal is better but we use propane because it's 
easier.


Those swap cylinders are NOT full.  they have 16-18 lb in a 25 lb 
cylinder.  When you get the tank filled, they put in 25 lb for a 
buck or two less than a swap.



Does Costco sell propane down south?
We are currently paying $8.45 for a 20# fill at Costco here in Winnipeg.

RB


So we are paying about $10-12 more here, primarily for insurance so 
the propane companies can protect themselves from shysters.


It was not that many years ago I could drive 12-15 miles to a small 
town and get a tank filled for $8.  now most of the exchange places 
are $18-20 for a partial tank.


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Lots of places here charging $20 or more too but Costco is very reasonable.
I think I paid something like $36 to exchange a 20# tank out at the lake 
last summer.
This time I took one of my city tanks out and brought the empty exchange 
cylinder home to get it refilled here.
I truly want to switch to natural gas here in the city so that I won't 
run out and won't need to haul the cylinders around quite so often.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I did read on the internet about one fellow who lost the charge of
hydrocarbon refrigerant in a leak next to the engine air cleaner intake, so
the engine ingested all the gas and ran away, destroying the engine.  I can
see how the engine could overspeed and self destruct when the injection
pump / governor is not controlling the fuel.  IIRC that was a 123 car which
has the AC lines on the same side of the engine as the intake?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Highly pressurized gasoline no less.
 IIRC theres a pound or less of hydrocarbons in the Cathey test
 refrigerant, thats a quart or so of actual fuel, it should flash off pretty
 quick...
 -Curt
   From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

 ‎Curly writes:

 This was a considerably bigger propane fire, but it is why I am not
 thrilled about the Cathey test refrigerant in a car.
 
 ‎
 Meh. Most folks drive around with multiple gallons of extremely explosive
 liquid (gasoline) in their autos.

 Rick
 Sent from my BlackBerry Z10

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 04/08/2015 7:45 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Kleb sez: You can get bottles filled but around here most people just 
swap theirs for a full one for about $18 or so. I guess this is a 
reason why charcoal is better but we use propane because it's easier.


Those swap cylinders are NOT full.  they have 16-18 lb in a 25 lb 
cylinder.  When you get the tank filled, they put in 25 lb for a buck 
or two less than a swap.




Does Costco sell propane down south?
We are currently paying $8.45 for a 20# fill at Costco here in Winnipeg.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Is it a real 20# fill? The exchange places generally go between 15 and 17#.
I'm paying $14 at my local True Value for a real 20# fill.
-Curt
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 3:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire
   
That's sick.  HD charges more than triple what you pay.  I'll check at the
Pentagon City Costco when I go there later today..

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On 04/08/2015 7:45 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

 Kleb sez: You can get bottles filled but around here most people just
 swap theirs for a full one for about $18 or so. I guess this is a reason
 why charcoal is better but we use propane because it's easier.


 Those swap cylinders are NOT full.  they have 16-18 lb in a 25 lb
 cylinder.  When you get the tank filled, they put in 25 lb for a buck or
 two less than a swap.


 Does Costco sell propane down south?
 We are currently paying $8.45 for a 20# fill at Costco here in Winnipeg.

 RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
That's sick.  HD charges more than triple what you pay.  I'll check at the
Pentagon City Costco when I go there later today..

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On 04/08/2015 7:45 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

 Kleb sez: You can get bottles filled but around here most people just
 swap theirs for a full one for about $18 or so. I guess this is a reason
 why charcoal is better but we use propane because it's easier.


 Those swap cylinders are NOT full.  they have 16-18 lb in a 25 lb
 cylinder.  When you get the tank filled, they put in 25 lb for a buck or
 two less than a swap.


 Does Costco sell propane down south?
 We are currently paying $8.45 for a 20# fill at Costco here in Winnipeg.

 RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-04 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Meade wrote:
 
 I did read on the internet about one fellow who lost the
 charge of hydrocarbon refrigerant in a leak next to the
 engine air cleaner intake, so the engine ingested all the
 gas and ran away, destroying the engine.

One more reason for a manual transmission. *smiles*


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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

On 04/08/2015 7:45 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Kleb sez: You can get bottles filled but around here most people 
just swap theirs for a full one for about $18 or so. I guess this 
is a reason why charcoal is better but we use propane because it's 
easier.


Those swap cylinders are NOT full.  they have 16-18 lb in a 25 lb 
cylinder.  When you get the tank filled, they put in 25 lb for a 
buck or two less than a swap.



Does Costco sell propane down south?
We are currently paying $8.45 for a 20# fill at Costco here in Winnipeg.

RB


So we are paying about $10-12 more here, primarily for insurance so 
the propane companies can protect themselves from shysters.


It was not that many years ago I could drive 12-15 miles to a small 
town and get a tank filled for $8.  now most of the exchange places 
are $18-20 for a partial tank.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-04 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Might have something to do with all those taxes / fees / lawsuits / EPA
rules / general harassment associated with, oh maybe something like, could
be... Global Warming?  Naahh...


-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 That's sick.  HD charges more than triple what you pay.  I'll check at the
 Pentagon City Costco when I go there later today..


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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
If my tank gets rusty/scuzzy, i swap it.  You don't get much propane 
on the swap, but it is cheaper than buying a new tank/valve. 
Thereafter, it can be refilled for a full charge.   All my old tanks 
with the old valves, I managed to swap eventually without having to 
buy the new safety valve.  I much prefer the old unsafe valve 
with LH threads.  The swap shops don't pay much attention to the 
valve type now.


I've only used propane to fry turkeys that past few years.  Gas grill 
stays in the shed.  Charcoal/wood tastes better.



I took mine in the other day and the kid said it was leaking as he 
tried to fill it. Says my tank can't be refilled anymore. He did 
seem to get it about half full and they refunded my money. Half tank 
of propane for free, score!
When it runs out I'll do a tank swap. Its 9 years old and they're 
only supposedta be good for 10 without testing right?
I've never heard of someplace replacing the valve for you, I'd just 
swap the tank.

-Curt
  From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 2:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire
  
BTW, I'll find another place to fill my propane tanks.


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 2:35 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire



 Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing
 full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.

 'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store.  'Thought
 I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was
 filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft?
 She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection
 quite tight enough.

 Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot
 enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on in
 such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from
 providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full
 tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the
 valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank.
 Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware
 store and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they
 could change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic
 when I tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she
 was filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging
 station, plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the
 connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I could
 get it with a wrench (big pliers).

 'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille
 until I installed it yesterday.

 When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I
 heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on
 the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the
 hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss
 and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to
 the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only
 did it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around
 the valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the
 valve handle/knob to turn it off!

 'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified
 myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with

  active flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!

 Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it
 again and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck
 underway, I need it now!

 Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to
 hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around
 the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able
 to use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off.
 'Grabbed the pliers and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold
 triangular-shaped knob while trying to dodge the flames.  After several
 tries, I began to find a way to grip the knob and turn it off a bit each
 time.  I finally got it off as the fire truck pulled up in front of the
 house.

 'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn
 (very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of
 fingers, hand and wrist.

 Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes a smart if painful move Wilton. First fire call I ever went on was
propane filling tank on fire. Not pretty.
Dwight
On Aug 3, 2015 6:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Na, 'told 'em I don't give up easily; 'needed to turn that valve off
 before it got hot enough to blow off.  After it had cooled a bit, I asked
 'em to remove/disconnect the tank for me.  Didn't realize I was burned a
 bit (very minor) until they had left and I started washing my hands to find
 the the 2 sore spots and singed hair.  I must have touched the hot
 underside of the grill to get the burns.  My hand was in and out of the
 flames several times.

 I think something is wrong with the spring-loaded valve that is opened by
 installing the regulator and hose.  'Don't know yet.  I've never had that
 problem with another tank.

 Wilton

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 Cc: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
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 Wow, very glad you weren't injured any worse!  Did the firemen fuss at you
 for handling the situation yourself and getting burned in the process?

 I'll be curious to hear what caused the leak, and I totally agree with
 finding a different place to get your propane tank filled.  Soapy water
 would have revealed that leak when your ears didn't.

 I have three tanks: one that I own, that came with the grill, one that I
 bought from the grocery store dispenser cage, so I just swap that out
 with a filled tank and pay the $20 or whatever, and a third tank same as
 #2
 but neighbor gave it to me when they moved and didn't want to take the
 time
 to return it for a refund.  I try to keep at least two full tanks on hand.
 Note to self: hurican season is hear, check your propane tanks...

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Waytago!

 We are glad you are not badly burned.

 This was a considerably bigger propane fire, but it is why I am not
 thrilled about the Cathey test refrigerant in a car.


 https://archive.org/stream/midamericapipeli00netc/midamericapipeli00netc_djvu.txt
 I saw the destruction firsthand.



 Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing

 full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.

 'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store. 'Thought
 I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was
 filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft?
 She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection
 quite tight enough.

 Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot
 enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on
 in
 such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from
 providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full
 tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the
 valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank.
 Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware
 store
 and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they could
 change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic when
 I
 tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she was
 filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging
 station,
 plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the
 connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I
 could
 get it with a wrench (big pliers).

 'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille
 until I installed it yesterday.

 When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I
 heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got
 on
 the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the
 hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss
 and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors
 to
 the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only
 did
 it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around the
 valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the
 valve
 handle/knob to turn it off!
 'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified
 myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with
 active
 flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!
 Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it
 again
 and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck
 underway,
 I need it now!

 Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to
 hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed

Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
You can get bottles filled but around here most people just swap theirs for a 
full one for about $18 or so. I guess this is a reason why charcoal is better 
but we use propane because it's easier.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 3, 2015, at 1:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing 
 full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.
 
 'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store.  'Thought I 
 heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was 
 filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft?  She 
 replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection quite 
 tight enough.
 
 Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot enough. 
  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on in such a 
 manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from providing 
 high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full tank and found 
 it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the valve on top of the 
 tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank.  Coupla days later I 
 took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware store and tried to tell 'em 
 that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they could change the valve.  'Lady 
 who had filled it nearly went ballistic when I tried to ask her if she 
 remembered my concern about it while she was filling it.  Another clerk 
 (male) took the bottle to the charging station, plugged it in and declared, 
 Not leaking; ya may not have had the connection tight enough.  I replied, 
 Well, I had it as tight as I could get it with a wrench (big pliers).
 
 'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille until I 
 installed it yesterday.
 
 When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I heard 
 a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on the 
 connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the hose.  
 When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss and 
 proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to the 
 tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only did it 
 ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around the valve on 
 top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the valve handle/knob 
 to turn it off!  
 
 'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified 
 myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with active 
 flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!  Dispatcher 
 started asking his questions, and I went through all of it again and finished 
 with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck underway, I need it now!
 
 Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to hear 
 the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around the valve 
 and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able to use the 
 pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off.  'Grabbed the pliers 
 and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold triangular-shaped knob while 
 trying to dodge the flames.  After several tries, I began to find a way to 
 grip the knob and turn it off a bit each time.  I finally got it off as the 
 fire truck pulled up in front of the house.
 
 'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn 
 (very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of fingers, 
 hand and wrist.
 
 Wilton 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Na, 'told 'em I don't give up easily; 'needed to turn that valve off before 
it got hot enough to blow off.  After it had cooled a bit, I asked 'em to 
remove/disconnect the tank for me.  Didn't realize I was burned a bit (very 
minor) until they had left and I started washing my hands to find the the 2 
sore spots and singed hair.  I must have touched the hot underside of the 
grill to get the burns.  My hand was in and out of the flames several times.


I think something is wrong with the spring-loaded valve that is opened by 
installing the regulator and hose.  'Don't know yet.  I've never had that 
problem with another tank.


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire



Wow, very glad you weren't injured any worse!  Did the firemen fuss at you
for handling the situation yourself and getting burned in the process?

I'll be curious to hear what caused the leak, and I totally agree with
finding a different place to get your propane tank filled.  Soapy water
would have revealed that leak when your ears didn't.

I have three tanks: one that I own, that came with the grill, one that I
bought from the grocery store dispenser cage, so I just swap that out
with a filled tank and pay the $20 or whatever, and a third tank same as 
#2
but neighbor gave it to me when they moved and didn't want to take the 
time

to return it for a refund.  I try to keep at least two full tanks on hand.
Note to self: hurican season is hear, check your propane tanks...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Waytago!

We are glad you are not badly burned.

This was a considerably bigger propane fire, but it is why I am not
thrilled about the Cathey test refrigerant in a car.

https://archive.org/stream/midamericapipeli00netc/midamericapipeli00netc_djvu.txt
I saw the destruction firsthand.



Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing

full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.

'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store. 'Thought
I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was
filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft?
She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection
quite tight enough.

Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot
enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on 
in

such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from
providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full
tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the
valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank.
Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware 
store

and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they could
change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic when 
I

tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she was
filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging 
station,

plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the
connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I 
could

get it with a wrench (big pliers).

'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille
until I installed it yesterday.

When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I
heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got 
on

the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the
hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss
and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors 
to
the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only 
did

it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around the
valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the 
valve

handle/knob to turn it off!
'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified
myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with 
active

flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!
Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it 
again
and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck 
underway,

I need it now!

Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to
hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around
the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able 
to
use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off. 
'Grabbed

the pliers and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold triangular

Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
When i get a tank with wonky valve I swap it. Otherwise  i get them filled
for 15.00 at the local body shop that restored my CD.
On Aug 3, 2015 9:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 You can get bottles filled but around here most people just swap theirs
 for a full one for about $18 or so. I guess this is a reason why charcoal
 is better but we use propane because it's easier.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 3, 2015, at 1:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing
 full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.
 
  'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store.
 'Thought I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk
 lady was filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve
 shaft?  She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging
 connection quite tight enough.
 
  Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot
 enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on in
 such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from
 providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full
 tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the
 valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank.
 Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware store
 and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they could
 change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic when I
 tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she was
 filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging station,
 plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the
 connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I could
 get it with a wrench (big pliers).
 
  'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille
 until I installed it yesterday.
 
  When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I
 heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on
 the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the
 hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss
 and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to
 the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only did
 it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around the
 valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the valve
 handle/knob to turn it off!
 
  'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified
 myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with active
 flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!
 Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it again
 and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck underway,
 I need it now!
 
  Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to
 hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around
 the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able to
 use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off.  'Grabbed
 the pliers and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold triangular-shaped
 knob while trying to dodge the flames.  After several tries, I began to
 find a way to grip the knob and turn it off a bit each time.  I finally got
 it off as the fire truck pulled up in front of the house.
 
  'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn
 (very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of
 fingers, hand and wrist.
 
  Wilton
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Curly wrote:
 
 This was a considerably bigger propane fire, but it is why
 I am not thrilled about the Cathey test refrigerant in a
 car.

From my research, even a non-flammable refrigerant can have a
large flame at a leak due to the oil.  But I have never
tested it myself - or compared the infernos.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

My Weber is a Spirit, too.

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire



Home Depot propane tank swaps are $18.00 around here.

Speaking of which, I grilled two types of fish on my Weber Spirit propane
grille tonite:  bluefish draped with bacon, and a thick salmon steak/
butter.  Both fresh fish came from the Great Wall Chinese market.  Cooked
each one in foil, and they were both moist and delish.  Sure beats heating
up the house.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:48 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


 Curly wrote:

 This was a considerably bigger propane fire, but it is why
 I am not thrilled about the Cathey test refrigerant in a
 car.

From my research, even a non-flammable refrigerant can have a
large flame at a leak due to the oil.  But I have never
tested it myself - or compared the infernos.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Home Depot propane tank swaps are $18.00 around here.

Speaking of which, I grilled two types of fish on my Weber Spirit propane
grille tonite:  bluefish draped with bacon, and a thick salmon steak/
butter.  Both fresh fish came from the Great Wall Chinese market.  Cooked
each one in foil, and they were both moist and delish.  Sure beats heating
up the house.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:48 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

  Curly wrote:
 
  This was a considerably bigger propane fire, but it is why
  I am not thrilled about the Cathey test refrigerant in a
  car.

 From my research, even a non-flammable refrigerant can have a
 large flame at a leak due to the oil.  But I have never
 tested it myself - or compared the infernos.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I took mine in the other day and the kid said it was leaking as he tried to 
fill it. Says my tank can't be refilled anymore. He did seem to get it about 
half full and they refunded my money. Half tank of propane for free, score!
When it runs out I'll do a tank swap. Its 9 years old and they're only 
supposedta be good for 10 without testing right?
I've never heard of someplace replacing the valve for you, I'd just swap the 
tank.
-Curt
  From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com 
 Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 2:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire
   
BTW, I'll find another place to fill my propane tanks.

Wilton

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From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 2:35 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire


 Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing 
 full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.

 'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store.  'Thought 
 I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was 
 filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft? 
 She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection 
 quite tight enough.

 Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot 
 enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on in 
 such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from 
 providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full 
 tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the 
 valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank. 
 Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware 
 store and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they 
 could change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic 
 when I tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she 
 was filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging 
 station, plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the 
 connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I could 
 get it with a wrench (big pliers).

 'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille 
 until I installed it yesterday.

 When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I 
 heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on 
 the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the 
 hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss 
 and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to 
 the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only 
 did it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around 
 the valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the 
 valve handle/knob to turn it off!

 'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified 
 myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with 
 active flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW! 
 Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it 
 again and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck 
 underway, I need it now!

 Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to 
 hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around 
 the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able 
 to use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off. 
 'Grabbed the pliers and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold 
 triangular-shaped knob while trying to dodge the flames.  After several 
 tries, I began to find a way to grip the knob and turn it off a bit each 
 time.  I finally got it off as the fire truck pulled up in front of the 
 house.

 'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn 
 (very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of 
 fingers, hand and wrist.

 Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

BTW, I'll find another place to fill my propane tanks.

Wilton

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Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 2:35 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire


Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing 
full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.


'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store.  'Thought 
I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was 
filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft? 
She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection 
quite tight enough.


Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot 
enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on in 
such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from 
providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full 
tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the 
valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank. 
Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware 
store and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they 
could change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic 
when I tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she 
was filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging 
station, plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the 
connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I could 
get it with a wrench (big pliers).


'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille 
until I installed it yesterday.


When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I 
heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on 
the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the 
hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss 
and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to 
the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only 
did it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around 
the valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the 
valve handle/knob to turn it off!


'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified 
myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with 
active flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW! 
Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it 
again and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck 
underway, I need it now!


Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to 
hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around 
the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able 
to use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off. 
'Grabbed the pliers and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold 
triangular-shaped knob while trying to dodge the flames.  After several 
tries, I began to find a way to grip the knob and turn it off a bit each 
time.  I finally got it off as the fire truck pulled up in front of the 
house.


'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn 
(very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of 
fingers, hand and wrist.


Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Yep, that's what I was worried about - to turn the valve off before the tank 
got too hot.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire



ATTABOY!  Flammable gases are not to be taken lightly. I think you dodged
one when the tank didn't explode.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:


Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing
full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.

'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store.  'Thought
I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was
filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft?
She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection
quite tight enough.

Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot
enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on 
in

such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from
providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full
tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the
valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank.
Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware 
store

and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they could
change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic when I
tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she was
filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging 
station,

plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the
connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I could
get it with a wrench (big pliers).

'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille
until I installed it yesterday.

When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I
heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on
the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the
hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss
and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to
the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only 
did

it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around the
valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the 
valve

handle/knob to turn it off!

'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified
myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with 
active

flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!
Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it 
again
and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck 
underway,

I need it now!

Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to
hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around
the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able 
to
use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off. 
'Grabbed

the pliers and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold triangular-shaped
knob while trying to dodge the flames.  After several tries, I began to
find a way to grip the knob and turn it off a bit each time.  I finally 
got

it off as the fire truck pulled up in front of the house.

'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn
(very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of
fingers, hand and wrist.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Waytago!

We are glad you are not badly burned.

This was a considerably bigger propane fire, but it is why I am not 
thrilled about the Cathey test refrigerant in a car.
https://archive.org/stream/midamericapipeli00netc/midamericapipeli00netc_djvu.txt 
I saw the destruction firsthand.



Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after 
installing full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.


'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store. 
'Thought I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the 
clerk lady was filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at 
the valve shaft?  She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the 
fill/charging connection quite tight enough.


Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting 
hot enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was 
turning it on in such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety 
feature to keep it from providing high heat.  During my tests, I 
temporarily installed the full tank and found it leaking at the 
fill/dispensing valve when I opened the valve on top of the tank.  I 
changed the bottles back to the old tank.  Coupla days later I 
took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware store and tried to 
tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they could change 
the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic when I 
tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she was 
filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging 
station, plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have 
had the connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as 
tight as I could get it with a wrench (big pliers).


'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the 
grille until I installed it yesterday.


When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the 
grille, I heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the 
valve,  got on the connection nut again with the big pliers while 
trying to wiggle the hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the 
tank again, I heard no hiss and proceeded with the grille starting 
procedure and leaving the doors to the tank compartment open.  When 
I pushed the ignition button, not only did it ignite the grille 
burners, It ignited a significant flame around the valve on top of 
the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the valve 
handle/knob to turn it off! 

'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly 
identified myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, 
Propane leak with active flame that keeps me from reaching the 
valve, 'needing help NOW!  Dispatcher started asking his questions, 
and I went through all of it again and finished with, While we're 
talking, I hope you have a truck underway, I need it now!


Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began 
to hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern 
around the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I 
may be able to use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn 
the gas off.  'Grabbed the pliers and began to get a grip on the 
hard-to-hold triangular-shaped knob while trying to dodge the 
flames.  After several tries, I began to find a way to grip the knob 
and turn it off a bit each time.  I finally got it off as the fire 
truck pulled up in front of the house.


'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree 
burn (very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on 
back of fingers, hand and wrist.


Wilton
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Wow, very glad you weren't injured any worse!  Did the firemen fuss at you
for handling the situation yourself and getting burned in the process?

I'll be curious to hear what caused the leak, and I totally agree with
finding a different place to get your propane tank filled.  Soapy water
would have revealed that leak when your ears didn't.

I have three tanks: one that I own, that came with the grill, one that I
bought from the grocery store dispenser cage, so I just swap that out
with a filled tank and pay the $20 or whatever, and a third tank same as #2
but neighbor gave it to me when they moved and didn't want to take the time
to return it for a refund.  I try to keep at least two full tanks on hand.
Note to self: hurican season is hear, check your propane tanks...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Waytago!

 We are glad you are not badly burned.

 This was a considerably bigger propane fire, but it is why I am not
 thrilled about the Cathey test refrigerant in a car.

 https://archive.org/stream/midamericapipeli00netc/midamericapipeli00netc_djvu.txt
 I saw the destruction firsthand.



 Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing
 full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.

 'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store. 'Thought
 I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was
 filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft?
 She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection
 quite tight enough.

 Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot
 enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on in
 such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from
 providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full
 tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the
 valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank.
 Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware store
 and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they could
 change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic when I
 tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she was
 filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging station,
 plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the
 connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I could
 get it with a wrench (big pliers).

 'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille
 until I installed it yesterday.

 When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I
 heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on
 the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the
 hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss
 and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to
 the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only did
 it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around the
 valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the valve
 handle/knob to turn it off!
 'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified
 myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with active
 flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!
 Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it again
 and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck underway,
 I need it now!

 Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to
 hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around
 the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able to
 use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off.  'Grabbed
 the pliers and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold triangular-shaped
 knob while trying to dodge the flames.  After several tries, I began to
 find a way to grip the knob and turn it off a bit each time.  I finally got
 it off as the fire truck pulled up in front of the house.

 'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn
 (very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of
 fingers, hand and wrist.

 Wilton
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[MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing full, 
20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.

'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store.  'Thought I 
heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was filling 
it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft?  She replied, 
Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection quite tight enough.

Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot enough.  
I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on in such a manner 
(too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from providing high heat. 
 During my tests, I temporarily installed the full tank and found it leaking at 
the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the valve on top of the tank.  I 
changed the bottles back to the old tank.  Coupla days later I took the 
newly-filled tank back to the hardware store and tried to tell 'em that, 
indeed, it does leak and asked if they could change the valve.  'Lady who had 
filled it nearly went ballistic when I tried to ask her if she remembered my 
concern about it while she was filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the 
bottle to the charging station, plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya 
may not have had the connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as 
tight as I could get it with a wrench (big pliers).

'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille until I 
installed it yesterday.

When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I heard a 
slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on the 
connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the hose.  When 
I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss and proceeded with 
the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to the tank compartment 
open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only did it ignite the grille 
burners, It ignited a significant flame around the valve on top of the tank in 
such a manner that I could not reach the valve handle/knob to turn it off!  

'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified myself, 
location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with active flame that 
keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!  Dispatcher started 
asking his questions, and I went through all of it again and finished with, 
While we're talking, I hope you have a truck underway, I need it now!

Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to hear the 
sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around the valve and 
top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able to use the pliers to 
turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off.  'Grabbed the pliers and began 
to get a grip on the hard-to-hold triangular-shaped knob while trying to dodge 
the flames.  After several tries, I began to find a way to grip the knob and 
turn it off a bit each time.  I finally got it off as the fire truck pulled up 
in front of the house.

'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn (very 
minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of fingers, hand 
and wrist.

Wilton 
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - a little excitement, propane fire

2015-08-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
ATTABOY!  Flammable gases are not to be taken lightly. I think you dodged
one when the tank didn't explode.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Yesterday 'bout 5 PM, I had a few minutes of excitement after installing
 full, 20 # tank of propane on my Weber grille.

 'Had the tank filled 2 or 3 months ago at local hardware store.  'Thought
 I heard it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve while the clerk lady was
 filling it, and asked her, Is that bottle leaking at the valve shaft?
 She replied, Nah, I probably didn't have the fill/charging connection
 quite tight enough.

 Coupla months  ago, SWMBO had problem with the grille not getting hot
 enough.  I read owner's manual, and realized that she was turning it on in
 such a manner (too quickly) as to cause a safety feature to keep it from
 providing high heat.  During my tests, I temporarily installed the full
 tank and found it leaking at the fill/dispensing valve when I opened the
 valve on top of the tank.  I changed the bottles back to the old tank.
 Coupla days later I took the newly-filled tank back to the hardware store
 and tried to tell 'em that, indeed, it does leak and asked if they could
 change the valve.  'Lady who had filled it nearly went ballistic when I
 tried to ask her if she remembered my concern about it while she was
 filling it.  Another clerk (male) took the bottle to the charging station,
 plugged it in and declared, Not leaking; ya may not have had the
 connection tight enough.  I replied, Well, I had it as tight as I could
 get it with a wrench (big pliers).

 'Brought the tank back home and sat it on patio/terrace by the grille
 until I installed it yesterday.

 When I first opened the valve on top of the tank to start the grille, I
 heard a slight hiss/leak at the valve; after closing the valve,  got on
 the connection nut again with the big pliers while trying to wiggle the
 hose.  When I opened the valve on top of the tank again, I heard no hiss
 and proceeded with the grille starting procedure and leaving the doors to
 the tank compartment open.  When I pushed the ignition button, not only did
 it ignite the grille burners, It ignited a significant flame around the
 valve on top of the tank in such a manner that I could not reach the valve
 handle/knob to turn it off!

 'Grabbed my cell phone and told Siri to call 911.  'Clearly identified
 myself, location and situation to the dispatcher, Propane leak with active
 flame that keeps me from reaching the valve, 'needing help NOW!
 Dispatcher started asking his questions, and I went through all of it again
 and finished with, While we're talking, I hope you have a truck underway,
 I need it now!

 Fire station is only about 10 to 12 blocks away, so I quickly began to
 hear the sirens headed my way, and noticed that the flame pattern around
 the valve and top of the tank had changed slightly so that I may be able to
 use the pliers to turn the valve bit by bit to turn the gas off.  'Grabbed
 the pliers and began to get a grip on the hard-to-hold triangular-shaped
 knob while trying to dodge the flames.  After several tries, I began to
 find a way to grip the knob and turn it off a bit each time.  I finally got
 it off as the fire truck pulled up in front of the house.

 'Was literally bar-b-q ing my hand - 'got coupla small first degree burn
 (very minor) places on inner, top of thumb.  Singed hairs on back of
 fingers, hand and wrist.

 Wilton

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