Re: [MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Have to check the VIN to see if the engine is in the affected range.  If 
it is, that's a parts car, $500.  Plus, it's a boring color combo, just 
the thing for Flahduh though I guess, but it looks like a realtor's car.


I sent the guy a note asking him what the issue was and for the VIN to 
check.


--FT

On 6/1/21 9:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Around that time, I believe. I was wondering the same. If the gear is goobered 
on the balance shaft I would think it could cause issues like this since it 
affects timing.

-D


On Jun 1, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

Did they fix the balance shaft issue before 2008?

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Re: [MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Around that time, I believe. I was wondering the same. If the gear is goobered 
on the balance shaft I would think it could cause issues like this since it 
affects timing.

-D

> On Jun 1, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> Did they fix the balance shaft issue before 2008?
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Re: [MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

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Did they fix the balance shaft issue before 2008?

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Re: [MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

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If it was somewhat closer I would. 

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> On May 31, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> Go for it, Kaleb!
> 
> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/cto/d/naples-2008-mercedes-benz-r350-as-is/7329763421.html
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Re: [MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

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Naples is full of people for whom money is basically a big ho hum.  They
would rather get rid of real estate and cars at below market prices because
their time is so valuable.

On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 4:18 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I bet if you showed up and chatted him up a bit you could knock him down
> a good bit.  That would be a decent deal.
>
> --FT
>
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> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I bet if you showed up and chatted him up a bit you could knock him down 
a good bit.  That would be a decent deal.


--FT

On 5/31/21 4:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Go for it, Kaleb!

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/cto/d/naples-2008-mercedes-benz-r350-as-is/7329763421.html
 


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[MBZ] Rich Old Guy is Too Cheap to Fix Car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Go for it, Kaleb!

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/cto/d/naples-2008-mercedes-benz-r350-as-is/7329763421.html
 


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Re: [MBZ] Rich White Folks' Profligacy

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On 2020-12-07 13:20, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:


I can't believe someone just chucked it in a dumpster.  It's probably
like a $150 unit, so not a high-end thing, but still...


Where I live, a good find is a stack of drywall mud buckets with lids 
(two of them hold a 35# bag of dog food), or 20 gallon plastic Roundup 
barrels (I took them both, and throw my recycling in them), or a 30 year 
old Stihl chain saw in the metal dumpster (I thought about that, then 
realized I already had non-running chain saws at home).


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Re: [MBZ] Rich White Folks' Profligacy

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You can't believe what a builder friend of mine told me about houses he 
was remodeling over there.  Some rich dude buys it, his wife immediately 
wants it completely redone to suit her interests.  So they would go in 
and take out EVERYTHING down to the studs -- granite kitchens with very 
high-end appliances and cabinetry, stone bathrooms, marble, granite, etc 
with fancy fixtures, fancy exotic wood flooring, all that stuff.  He 
said he took his son 3000ft2 of solid cherry flooring that was like 2yo 
in this one house that had been redone then, last time it flipped. He 
had his guys salvage it.


He lived over there too but was kind of a basic midwest guy, had been a 
Treasury agent doing forensic accounting, then did consulting work on 
that after he retired and made some good money, not really into a lot of 
fancy stuff, so he was astounded too.  He usually let his crew take 
stuff and use it or sell it as a perk, unless he knew someone who 
wanted  something (me!  me!).  Crazy.


--FT

On 12/7/20 2:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This is why I belong to the RWF FB Marketplace group for a nearby development. 
Rich people’s trash/cast offs are usually pretty nice stuff.

We scored a beautiful Kincaid cherry dining room table for the hacienda in 
Indiana a few weeks ago for $150. Ended up spending more on new chairs for it 
than the table, but it’s really nice and has two leafs (leaves?), too, so we 
can seat like 10 people. I was hoping to score a nice headboard or bedroom set 
for our guest bedroom up north before we left, but nothing came up, darn it.

I’ve scouted out similar groups in Indianapolis but most are on the other side 
of town. I may still attempt to join a couple, however…

-D


On Dec 7, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
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I went over yesterday in the $720ML500 (Benz Content!) to drop off some 
recycling and a bag of trash at the Kiawah Island Community Association place, 
they have a big recycle bin and a small dumpster there that is about a 6ft cube 
with a door on the side to put trash in.  I opened it to put my bag of trash in 
it and there was a box sitting right there, looked new,  a Sony stereo 
receiver.  I opened it up and it looked like it had never been used, the remote 
was still in a plastic bag, the unit had been taken out of a foam sleeve but 
the cord was still wrapped with a wire tie.  I threw it in the ML500 (Benz 
Content!) and brought it home.  I have not hooked it up to speakers yet, I have 
some of those I got for nothing from a garage sale.  I need to buy one of those 
little bluetooth dongles and can use it for a streaming system, play music off 
the internets or my phone or iPad.

I can't believe someone just chucked it in a dumpster.  It's probably like a 
$150 unit, so not a high-end thing, but still...

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Re: [MBZ] Rich White Folks' Profligacy

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is why I belong to the RWF FB Marketplace group for a nearby development. 
Rich people’s trash/cast offs are usually pretty nice stuff.

We scored a beautiful Kincaid cherry dining room table for the hacienda in 
Indiana a few weeks ago for $150. Ended up spending more on new chairs for it 
than the table, but it’s really nice and has two leafs (leaves?), too, so we 
can seat like 10 people. I was hoping to score a nice headboard or bedroom set 
for our guest bedroom up north before we left, but nothing came up, darn it.

I’ve scouted out similar groups in Indianapolis but most are on the other side 
of town. I may still attempt to join a couple, however…

-D

> On Dec 7, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went over yesterday in the $720ML500 (Benz Content!) to drop off some 
> recycling and a bag of trash at the Kiawah Island Community Association 
> place, they have a big recycle bin and a small dumpster there that is about a 
> 6ft cube with a door on the side to put trash in.  I opened it to put my bag 
> of trash in it and there was a box sitting right there, looked new,  a Sony 
> stereo receiver.  I opened it up and it looked like it had never been used, 
> the remote was still in a plastic bag, the unit had been taken out of a foam 
> sleeve but the cord was still wrapped with a wire tie.  I threw it in the 
> ML500 (Benz Content!) and brought it home.  I have not hooked it up to 
> speakers yet, I have some of those I got for nothing from a garage sale.  I 
> need to buy one of those little bluetooth dongles and can use it for a 
> streaming system, play music off the internets or my phone or iPad.
> 
> I can't believe someone just chucked it in a dumpster.  It's probably like a 
> $150 unit, so not a high-end thing, but still...
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[MBZ] Rich White Folks' Profligacy

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I went over yesterday in the $720ML500 (Benz Content!) to drop off some 
recycling and a bag of trash at the Kiawah Island Community Association 
place, they have a big recycle bin and a small dumpster there that is 
about a 6ft cube with a door on the side to put trash in.  I opened it 
to put my bag of trash in it and there was a box sitting right there, 
looked new,  a Sony stereo receiver.  I opened it up and it looked like 
it had never been used, the remote was still in a plastic bag, the unit 
had been taken out of a foam sleeve but the cord was still wrapped with 
a wire tie.  I threw it in the ML500 (Benz Content!) and brought it 
home.  I have not hooked it up to speakers yet, I have some of those I 
got for nothing from a garage sale.  I need to buy one of those little 
bluetooth dongles and can use it for a streaming system, play music off 
the internets or my phone or iPad.


I can't believe someone just chucked it in a dumpster.  It's probably 
like a $150 unit, so not a high-end thing, but still...


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Re: [MBZ] Rich Corinthian Leather

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I looked this over closely, as my Dad had one.  This car had over 100k on the 
clock and rust in a number of places.  Why it was on BAT is beyond me. It 
presents well but on close inspection it’s a turd.  I think they were lucky to 
get $2k.

-D


> On Oct 12, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Won't get you very far these days.  No love for a '76 Corthoba.  Maybe it's
> because of prose like this:
> 
> 
> 
> *A matching landau roof was also optioned while factory steel wheels are
> shod in a set of 235/70R15 BFGoodrich Radial T/A tires.*
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-chrysler-cordoba-2/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-12
> 
> Seriously - only $2k for a rare, clean car?
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[MBZ] Rich Corinthian Leather

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Won't get you very far these days.  No love for a '76 Corthoba.  Maybe it's
because of prose like this:



*A matching landau roof was also optioned while factory steel wheels are
shod in a set of 235/70R15 BFGoodrich Radial T/A tires.*
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-chrysler-cordoba-2/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-12

Seriously - only $2k for a rare, clean car?
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Re: [MBZ] Rich and other coastal dwellers need this car

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I’m waiting until I can launch my kayak off the back deck 

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-amphicar-model-770/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-02-26
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[MBZ] Rich and other coastal dwellers need this car

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How to defeat rising sea levels:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-amphicar-model-770/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-02-26
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Re: [MBZ] Rich here's your convertible

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Wait, is it $5000 or $5260?  Whichever, it is an AMAZING DEAL!

I'll head to the bank to wire my Nigerian friend a down payment to hold 
it...


--R


On 8/30/17 2:12 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

"This is an AMAZING DEAL"

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-mercedes-560sl-560-sl/6272159345.html

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[MBZ] Rich here's your convertible

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

"This is an AMAZING DEAL"

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-mercedes-560sl-560-sl/6272159345.html

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Re: [MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Some guy posted a generic 60W chinee laser cutter on CL for $1500, which 
is not that much less than they can be bought new but I guess that gives 
room to dicker a bit. 
https://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/5984330399.html  Everybody thinks 
their chinee crap is gold.


He also says he has a $500 cooler, not clear if that is part of the 
bargain or not.  He sent me emails, I sent my phone he says he will call 
me today but have not heard yet.


It might be worth picking up for maybe $1200 max if the tube works OK, 
the machines themselves are fairly decent but the controllers are a bit 
wonky, some kind of chinee software runs them, but there are improved 
controllers and S/W that can be had for them, and I think they will 
accept more powerful tubes, so might be OK for a basic machine to 
start.  I could probably unload it for similar price at some point, so 
will see if I hear from him.


--R


On 2/6/17 9:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Dunno Wazer has been on the market awhile. 5 short years ago any kind of water 
jet cutter was going to run you $45,000 or more.The problem with a $1500 unit 
will be reliability, you can see that in 3D printers now. You can buy a $300 3D 
printer but you'll have to fiddle with it for every print. If you're willing to 
spend $10,000 you can buy reliability and something that will just work.
I was listening to the "Making It Podcast" the other day and they were talking 
about the reliability issue with 3D printers.
Still we've come so far. A guy i work with has a side business laser etching. 
Says his biggest seller right now is etching military logos onto 1911 handgrips.
-Curt

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I'm guessing as soon as there are 2 or 3 competitors, the price will

drop to $1500.

Even at $4500, a guy might be able to get it to pay off if you find
enough business, and if it is study enough for long term use.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
February 5, 2017 at 11:05 AM
That is quite intriguing.  Wonder how much they will sell for.

I'm still thinking about a laser cutter though...

--FT




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February 5, 2017 at 8:50 AM
https://www.wazer.com

Desktop water jet

Moving from mass production to mass customization.

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Re: [MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Dunno Wazer has been on the market awhile. 5 short years ago any kind of water 
jet cutter was going to run you $45,000 or more.The problem with a $1500 unit 
will be reliability, you can see that in 3D printers now. You can buy a $300 3D 
printer but you'll have to fiddle with it for every print. If you're willing to 
spend $10,000 you can buy reliability and something that will just work.
I was listening to the "Making It Podcast" the other day and they were talking 
about the reliability issue with 3D printers.
Still we've come so far. A guy i work with has a side business laser etching. 
Says his biggest seller right now is etching military logos onto 1911 handgrips.
-Curt

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I'm guessing as soon as there are 2 or 3 competitors, the price will 
drop to $1500.

Even at $4500, a guy might be able to get it to pay off if you find 
enough business, and if it is study enough for long term use.
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> February 5, 2017 at 11:05 AM
> That is quite intriguing.  Wonder how much they will sell for.
>
> I'm still thinking about a laser cutter though...
>
> --FT
>
>
>
>
> Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com>
> February 5, 2017 at 8:50 AM
> https://www.wazer.com
>
> Desktop water jet
>
> Moving from mass production to mass customization.

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Re: [MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'm guessing as soon as there are 2 or 3 competitors, the price will 
drop to $1500.


Even at $4500, a guy might be able to get it to pay off if you find 
enough business, and if it is study enough for long term use.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 11:05 AM
That is quite intriguing.  Wonder how much they will sell for.

I'm still thinking about a laser cutter though...

--FT




Curley McLain 
February 5, 2017 at 8:50 AM
https://www.wazer.com

Desktop water jet

Moving from mass production to mass customization.


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Re: [MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

website sez $4500


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
February 5, 2017 at 11:05 AM
That is quite intriguing.  Wonder how much they will sell for.

I'm still thinking about a laser cutter though...

--FT




Curley McLain 
February 5, 2017 at 8:50 AM
https://www.wazer.com

Desktop water jet

Moving from mass production to mass customization.


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Re: [MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That is quite intriguing.  Wonder how much they will sell for.

I'm still thinking about a laser cutter though...

--FT


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https://www.wazer.com

Desktop water jet

Moving from mass production to mass customization.

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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] Rich (and some others) need one of these

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Rich needs to go to Nashvile

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> That wagon is a steal if there's no rust.
>
> Rich, I believe you have a wagon with good interior...  But why stop there, 
> install the diesel engine and running gear while you're at it!

I could do OM616 4sp transplant to make TD, eh?
Both euro cars... or not.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I had a regulator "fail" on a 123, it got all bent so I took it out and 
put it between 2 2x4s and applied some Richforce to the middle of it.  
Got it sprung back right.  At some point on another one the rivets 
holding the arm gear sheared so I bodged it back with some small bolts, 
I had to grind the heads off a bit so they would not interfere with the 
arm motion.  Worked fine.


--R



On 10/9/15 10:38 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

123 power windows never fail?  If original, this part has lasted nearly thirty 
years and just shy of 350k miles.  I'll compare that to any electric window 
from the 123 or 126 series...



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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'd still like to know if anyone has read about or developed a "fix" for
the 124 front window regulators to reduce the flexing.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I had a regulator "fail" on a 123, it got all bent so I took it out 
and put it between 2 2x4s and applied some Richforce to the middle 
of it.  Got it sprung back right.  At some point on another one the 
rivets holding the arm gear sheared so I bodged it back with some 
small bolts, I had to grind the heads off a bit so they would not 
interfere with the arm motion.  Worked fine.


--R



On 10/9/15 10:38 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
123 power windows never fail?  If original, this part has lasted 
nearly thirty years and just shy of 350k miles.  I'll compare that 
to any electric window from the 123 or 126 series...


I think I have had one 123 winder regulator fail in 20+ years.  I've 
had a bunch fail in 126.  maybe 3 or 4?


I am not a big fan of air cond, so I run windows down unless it is 
way cold or way hot, or way long trip. (500 to 1100 miles/day)  YMMV


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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

 > On October 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes

  wrote:


 I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting said
 parts from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable
 arrangement, not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and down.


My W140 has that arrangement. As the window finished closing, the upper pulley
broke in half with a loud bang that made me fear the glass had broken.
Fortunately the window stayed fully closed.
Unfortunately, I opened it a few days later without having a spare regulator
on hand. When the upper pulley is broken, the lower cable can pull it open
but it isn't going to close again, even if you raise the glass by hand while
somebody else taps the button.
A comment in a regulator replacement thread at Benzworld recommends replacing
the regulator, closing the window, and never opening the rear windows again.

Mitch.


Another reason to stick with older MBs.

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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

123 power windows never fail?  If original, this part has lasted nearly thirty 
years and just shy of 350k miles.  I'll compare that to any electric window 
from the 123 or 126 series...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 9, 2015 10:24:06 PM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>>  > On October 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting
>said
>>>  parts from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable
>>>  arrangement, not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and
>down.
>>
>>My W140 has that arrangement. As the window finished closing, the
>upper pulley
>>broke in half with a loud bang that made me fear the glass had broken.
>>Fortunately the window stayed fully closed.
>>Unfortunately, I opened it a few days later without having a spare
>regulator
>>on hand. When the upper pulley is broken, the lower cable can pull it
>open
>>but it isn't going to close again, even if you raise the glass by hand
>while
>>somebody else taps the button.
>>A comment in a regulator replacement thread at Benzworld recommends
>replacing
>>the regulator, closing the window, and never opening the rear windows
>again.
>>
>>Mitch.
>
>Another reason to stick with older MBs.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

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It's good Max had a cashay of parts to fix it.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 22:38:18 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 123 power windows never fail?  If original, this part has lasted nearly
> thirty years and just shy of 350k miles.  I'll compare that to any
> electric window from the 123 or 126 series...

I had to repair the driver's manual window regulator in our '82 240D/3.0.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Rear window regulator uses a cable, front uses bastardized design combining
electric motor with hand crank mechanism (or at least that what it looks
like to me).

Didn't someone develop a field modification to strengthen the door or the
regulator to reduce the flexing (and the resulting metal fatigue) and
prolong the life?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting said parts
> from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable arrangement,
> not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and down.
>
> --R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Havin' to do a field/home mod on a "$75 thou" car to make it reliably do 
what the original cheap bastards shoulda done.  Now, that makes me damned 
mad - almost as mad as I was when I learned about the rod bender engine in 
the "top-of-the-line" 350SDL I paid plenty-good money for in '95.


Wilton

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From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Meade Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon


Rear window regulator uses a cable, front uses bastardized design 
combining

electric motor with hand crank mechanism (or at least that what it looks
like to me).

Didn't someone develop a field modification to strengthen the door or the
regulator to reduce the flexing (and the resulting metal fatigue) and
prolong the life?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting said 
parts

from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable arrangement,
not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and down.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The rear window regulators on the W140 chassis cars have a design flaw, and 
it's more about materials than anything else.

The design itself isn't bad, but the stress placed on the plastic or nylon 
pulleys that are used exceeds their strength or as they age they can't handle 
the stress. Ultimately, they break and the cable goes slack, allowing the 
window to drop.

I've also seen instances where the window won't slide smoothly due to lack of 
lubrication in the guides, which puts stress on the cable and causes it to 
"jump" off the pulley(s).

So in my opinion, they didn't design it poorly, they just didn't spec the 
materials out so they would hold up over time.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 1:41 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 'Havin' to do a field/home mod on a "$75 thou" car to make it reliably do 
> what the original cheap bastards shoulda done.  Now, that makes me damned mad 
> - almost as mad as I was when I learned about the rod bender engine in the 
> "top-of-the-line" 350SDL I paid plenty-good money for in '95.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "Meade Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon
> 
> 
>> Rear window regulator uses a cable, front uses bastardized design combining
>> electric motor with hand crank mechanism (or at least that what it looks
>> like to me).
>> 
>> Didn't someone develop a field modification to strengthen the door or the
>> regulator to reduce the flexing (and the resulting metal fatigue) and
>> prolong the life?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting said parts
>>> from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable arrangement,
>>> not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and down.
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> 
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[WILTON via Mercedes]

Specin' materials is part of the design.  Somebody tried to do it "on the 
cheap."


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon


The rear window regulators on the W140 chassis cars have a design flaw, 
and it's more about materials than anything else.


The design itself isn't bad, but the stress placed on the plastic or nylon 
pulleys that are used exceeds their strength or as they age they can't 
handle the stress. Ultimately, they break and the cable goes slack, 
allowing the window to drop.


I've also seen instances where the window won't slide smoothly due to lack 
of lubrication in the guides, which puts stress on the cable and causes it 
to "jump" off the pulley(s).


So in my opinion, they didn't design it poorly, they just didn't spec the 
materials out so they would hold up over time.


Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 9, 2015, at 1:41 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:


'Havin' to do a field/home mod on a "$75 thou" car to make it reliably do 
what the original cheap bastards shoulda done.  Now, that makes me damned 
mad - almost as mad as I was when I learned about the rod bender engine 
in the "top-of-the-line" 350SDL I paid plenty-good money for in '95.


Wilton

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<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Meade Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon


Rear window regulator uses a cable, front uses bastardized design 
combining

electric motor with hand crank mechanism (or at least that what it looks
like to me).

Didn't someone develop a field modification to strengthen the door or 
the

regulator to reduce the flexing (and the resulting metal fatigue) and
prolong the life?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting said 
parts
from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable 
arrangement,

not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and down.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Gwagen w463 are famous for this same failure. You can buy sliding door
nylon pulleys with steel ball bearings for about $4 at the hardware store
which are a direct swap into the assembly with rivets. Beats 600 for a new
regulator each time.
On Oct 9, 2015 12:51 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Specin' materials is part of the design.  Somebody tried to do it "on the
> cheap."
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon
>
>
> The rear window regulators on the W140 chassis cars have a design flaw,
>> and it's more about materials than anything else.
>>
>> The design itself isn't bad, but the stress placed on the plastic or
>> nylon pulleys that are used exceeds their strength or as they age they
>> can't handle the stress. Ultimately, they break and the cable goes slack,
>> allowing the window to drop.
>>
>> I've also seen instances where the window won't slide smoothly due to
>> lack of lubrication in the guides, which puts stress on the cable and
>> causes it to "jump" off the pulley(s).
>>
>> So in my opinion, they didn't design it poorly, they just didn't spec the
>> materials out so they would hold up over time.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 1:41 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 'Havin' to do a field/home mod on a "$75 thou" car to make it reliably
>>> do what the original cheap bastards shoulda done.  Now, that makes me
>>> damned mad - almost as mad as I was when I learned about the rod bender
>>> engine in the "top-of-the-line" 350SDL I paid plenty-good money for in '95.
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: "Meade Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon
>>>
>>>
>>> Rear window regulator uses a cable, front uses bastardized design
>>>> combining
>>>> electric motor with hand crank mechanism (or at least that what it looks
>>>> like to me).
>>>>
>>>> Didn't someone develop a field modification to strengthen the door or
>>>> the
>>>> regulator to reduce the flexing (and the resulting metal fatigue) and
>>>> prolong the life?
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Max
>>>> Charleston SC
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting said
>>>>> parts
>>>>> from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable
>>>>> arrangement,
>>>>> not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and down.
>>>>>
>>>>> --R
>>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting said 
parts from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable 
arrangement, not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and down.


--R



On 10/8/15 10:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

A couple years ago Rich and I went to a salvage yard close to his compound, and 
dragged out a couple piles of MB parts.

Tonight I made time to investigate a popping noise that the White Whale 
(124.193) was making in the driver's door when closing the window.  Regulator 
had metal fatigue failure, it came out in pieces. Rats!

I recalled that Rich had removed a couple regulators from a 124 that I was 
taking various bits from and added them to my pile on that day, so I dug 
through the stash and there it was, exactly what I needed.

Thanks Rich!  I probably would not have snagged those, sure glad you did.



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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 9, 2015 at 10:55 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I will take the complement but only vaguely remember extracting said 
> parts from said vehicle.  i do recall they used some sort of cable 
> arrangement, not a mechanical linkage, to run the window up and down.

My W140 has that arrangement. As the window finished closing, the upper pulley 
broke in half with a loud bang that made me fear the glass had broken. 
Fortunately the window stayed fully closed. 
Unfortunately, I opened it a few days later without having a spare regulator
on hand. When the upper pulley is broken, the lower cable can pull it open
but it isn't going to close again, even if you raise the glass by hand while
somebody else taps the button. 
A comment in a regulator replacement thread at Benzworld recommends replacing
the regulator, closing the window, and never opening the rear windows again. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

My Hairstyle is even more Powerful than The Don's

--R



On 10/8/15 10:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Word is getting out.  I hear Rich is The Donald's choice for running mate.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


A couple years ago Rich and I went to a salvage yard close to his
compound, and dragged out a couple piles of MB parts.

Tonight I made time to investigate a popping noise that the White Whale
(124.193) was making in the driver's door when closing the window.
Regulator had metal fatigue failure, it came out in pieces. Rats!

I recalled that Rich had removed a couple regulators from a 124 that I was
taking various bits from and added them to my pile on that day, so I dug
through the stash and there it was, exactly what I needed.

Thanks Rich!  I probably would not have snagged those, sure glad you did.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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[MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

A couple years ago Rich and I went to a salvage yard close to his compound, and 
dragged out a couple piles of MB parts.  

Tonight I made time to investigate a popping noise that the White Whale 
(124.193) was making in the driver's door when closing the window.  Regulator 
had metal fatigue failure, it came out in pieces. Rats!

I recalled that Rich had removed a couple regulators from a 124 that I was 
taking various bits from and added them to my pile on that day, so I dug 
through the stash and there it was, exactly what I needed.

Thanks Rich!  I probably would not have snagged those, sure glad you did.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Word is getting out.  I hear Rich is The Donald's choice for running mate.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A couple years ago Rich and I went to a salvage yard close to his
> compound, and dragged out a couple piles of MB parts.
>
> Tonight I made time to investigate a popping noise that the White Whale
> (124.193) was making in the driver's door when closing the window.
> Regulator had metal fatigue failure, it came out in pieces. Rats!
>
> I recalled that Rich had removed a couple regulators from a 124 that I was
> taking various bits from and added them to my pile on that day, so I dug
> through the stash and there it was, exactly what I needed.
>
> Thanks Rich!  I probably would not have snagged those, sure glad you did.
> --
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> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[WILTON via Mercedes]

ATTABOYS!

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Max Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 10:44 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon


A couple years ago Rich and I went to a salvage yard close to his compound, 
and dragged out a couple piles of MB parts.


Tonight I made time to investigate a popping noise that the White Whale 
(124.193) was making in the driver's door when closing the window. 
Regulator had metal fatigue failure, it came out in pieces. Rats!


I recalled that Rich had removed a couple regulators from a 124 that I was 
taking various bits from and added them to my pile on that day, so I dug 
through the stash and there it was, exactly what I needed.


Thanks Rich!  I probably would not have snagged those, sure glad you did.
--
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not good.  He doesn't like being upstaged.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My Hairstyle is even more Powerful than The Don's
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 10/8/15 10:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Word is getting out.  I hear Rich is The Donald's choice for running mate.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> A couple years ago Rich and I went to a salvage yard close to his
>>> compound, and dragged out a couple piles of MB parts.
>>>
>>> Tonight I made time to investigate a popping noise that the White Whale
>>> (124.193) was making in the driver's door when closing the window.
>>> Regulator had metal fatigue failure, it came out in pieces. Rats!
>>>
>>> I recalled that Rich had removed a couple regulators from a 124 that I
>>> was
>>> taking various bits from and added them to my pile on that day, so I dug
>>> through the stash and there it was, exactly what I needed.
>>>
>>> Thanks Rich!  I probably would not have snagged those, sure glad you did.
>>> --
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>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Rich saves my bacon

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

My Hairstyle is even more Powerful than The Don's

--R


Send pictures.  We wanna see!

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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Erika's remnants are active in the area now, thunderstorms all night 
with lots of rain, raining now and to continue for next coupla days. 
7+ft high tides (full moon and onshore winds) are making for lots of 
flooding.  But no hurricane winds, so that is something.


--R



Ach! Ist Nicht!The real storms are in the pacific.  Looks like 
Hawaii will dodge the current cat 4, with two more on the way.  Next 
one is cat 4, so Iniki like devastation if one hits.


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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Are the remnants of Erika heading up the coast?  We could sure use a
soaking, of the liquid variety that is.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Erika's remnants are active in the area now, thunderstorms all night with
>> lots of rain, raining now and to continue for next coupla days. 7+ft high
>> tides (full moon and onshore winds) are making for lots of flooding.  But
>> no hurricane winds, so that is something.
>>
>> --R
>>
>
>
> Ach! Ist Nicht!The real storms are in the pacific.  Looks like Hawaii
> will dodge the current cat 4, with two more on the way.  Next one is cat 4,
> so Iniki like devastation if one hits.
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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Our forecast is for dry weather to continue. Hope they're wrong.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks like
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/31/15 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Are the remnants of Erika heading up the coast?  We could sure use a
>> soaking, of the liquid variety that is.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Erika's remnants are active in the area now, thunderstorms all night with
>>>
 lots of rain, raining now and to continue for next coupla days. 7+ft
 high
 tides (full moon and onshore winds) are making for lots of flooding.
 But
 no hurricane winds, so that is something.

 --R


>>> Ach! Ist Nicht!The real storms are in the pacific.  Looks like Hawaii
>>> will dodge the current cat 4, with two more on the way.  Next one is cat
>>> 4,
>>> so Iniki like devastation if one hits.
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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Erika's remnants are active in the area now, thunderstorms all night 
with lots of rain, raining now and to continue for next coupla days.  
7+ft high tides (full moon and onshore winds) are making for lots of 
flooding.  But no hurricane winds, so that is something.


--R



On 8/30/15 10:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

The saltpeter in the ammo will help preserve your hot dogs.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> wrote:


Going in my bunker along with the crates of ammo

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:

Are you selling off the milk and bread and TP and batteries at
half price now?

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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Going in my bunker along with the crates of ammo

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

Are you selling off the milk and bread and TP and batteries at half price now?

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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The saltpeter in the ammo will help preserve your hot dogs.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Going in my bunker along with the crates of ammo

 --R (sent from my miniPad)

 On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Are you selling off the milk and bread and TP and batteries at half price
 now?

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[MBZ] Rich

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Are you selling off the milk and bread and TP and batteries at half price now?

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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I went out this morning and got some cash and filled up a gas can, which I 
needed to do anyway.  Meh.

We’ll have some rain early in the week from the remains of the storm, but 
that’s about it.

Dan


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[MBZ] Rich needs THIS

[Max Dillon]

Rag top for M

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/4347279454.html

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC

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Re: [MBZ] Rich Thomas reports

[Tim C]

I think the deer were pulling the truck.  Obviously on the way to New
York for Thanksgiving.

For a more complete story of the crash described,
http://www.indexjournal.com/main.asp?SectionID=4SubSectionID=40ArticleID=15187

Best,
Tim
On Nov 19, 2012 10:31 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 So the deer was driving a truck?

 --R

 On 11/19/12 7:39 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

 In the paper today is a little blurb about an airplane that crashed,
 caught on fire somehow after hitting a deer that ran across the runway
 in front of the plane taking off.  It sounded like a little rural
 airport...

  172 Hits Truck: Three Killed



   Three people aboard a Cessna 172 were killed after the aircraft hit a
 pickup truck on the runway of Knox County Regional Airport near Rockland,
 Maine,
 late Friday. Airport Manager Jeffrey Northgraves told Bangor Daily News


   the 172 was taking off just before 5 p.m. when it hit the front of the
 truck, which was crossing the runway. The aircraft crashed in bush about
 300
 yards beyond the runway and caught fire. Bystanders reached the crash
 site and
 tried to pull occupants from the aircraft but the fire was too intense.
 The
 aircraft was consumed and the registration marks destroyed, complicating
 identification of the occupants. It was not a local aircraft, Northgraves
 said.

   The driver of the pickup was not injured. He has not been identified,
 but
 Northgraves said he is a pilot and was authorized to drive on the airport.
 The vehicle is not owned by the county and the driver is not a county
 employee. Northgraves said vehicles operated on airport property have to
 be
 equipped with a radio monitoring the local frequency but he said it's not
 known
 whether there was any radio communication between the aircraft and truck
 before
 the accident. The runway was cleared to allow a scheduled airline flight
 to
 land about two-and-a-half hours after the crash and an FAA investigator
 arrived shortly after.

 RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Rich Thomas reports

[RELNGSON]

 In the paper today is a little blurb about an airplane that crashed,
 caught on fire somehow after hitting a deer that ran across the runway
 in front of the plane taking off.  It sounded like a little rural 
 airport...
 
172 Hits Truck: Three Killed



 Three people aboard a Cessna 172 were killed after the aircraft hit a 
pickup truck on the runway of Knox County Regional Airport near Rockland, 
Maine, 
late Friday. Airport Manager Jeffrey Northgraves told Bangor Daily News


 the 172 was taking off just before 5 p.m. when it hit the front of the 
truck, which was crossing the runway. The aircraft crashed in bush about 300 
yards beyond the runway and caught fire. Bystanders reached the crash site and 
tried to pull occupants from the aircraft but the fire was too intense. The 
aircraft was consumed and the registration marks destroyed, complicating 
identification of the occupants. It was not a local aircraft, Northgraves 
said.

 The driver of the pickup was not injured. He has not been identified, but 
Northgraves said he is a pilot and was authorized to drive on the airport. 
The vehicle is not owned by the county and the driver is not a county 
employee. Northgraves said vehicles operated on airport property have to be 
equipped with a radio monitoring the local frequency but he said it's not known 
whether there was any radio communication between the aircraft and truck before 
the accident. The runway was cleared to allow a scheduled airline flight to 
land about two-and-a-half hours after the crash and an FAA investigator 
arrived shortly after.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Rich Thomas reports

[Rich Thomas]

So the deer was driving a truck?

--R

On 11/19/12 7:39 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

In the paper today is a little blurb about an airplane that crashed,
caught on fire somehow after hitting a deer that ran across the runway
in front of the plane taking off.  It sounded like a little rural
airport...


172 Hits Truck: Three Killed



  Three people aboard a Cessna 172 were killed after the aircraft hit a
pickup truck on the runway of Knox County Regional Airport near Rockland, Maine,
late Friday. Airport Manager Jeffrey Northgraves told Bangor Daily News


  the 172 was taking off just before 5 p.m. when it hit the front of the
truck, which was crossing the runway. The aircraft crashed in bush about 300
yards beyond the runway and caught fire. Bystanders reached the crash site and
tried to pull occupants from the aircraft but the fire was too intense. The
aircraft was consumed and the registration marks destroyed, complicating
identification of the occupants. It was not a local aircraft, Northgraves
said.

  The driver of the pickup was not injured. He has not been identified, but
Northgraves said he is a pilot and was authorized to drive on the airport.
The vehicle is not owned by the county and the driver is not a county
employee. Northgraves said vehicles operated on airport property have to be
equipped with a radio monitoring the local frequency but he said it's not known
whether there was any radio communication between the aircraft and truck before
the accident. The runway was cleared to allow a scheduled airline flight to
land about two-and-a-half hours after the crash and an FAA investigator
arrived shortly after.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?

[Curt Raymond]

Did you leave a 1 out of your post? 2 tons curb weight would leave out many 
50's-60's era cars...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:17:20 -0600
From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?
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CDL is required by weigth (over 2 tons curb weigth and more than 2
axles) and if for hire.
I can drive a 6 axle  100 ton Grove down the freeway without any DL at all.
And there are School bus drivers. Different Endorsement.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Nothing to do with air brakes, if it's 26k or over have to gave cdl

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Air breaks? I was under the impression that air brakes made it a CDL
 vehicle even though he claims its under CDL weight which I would have
 expected. Back in my Boy Scout Camp days I got to drive an IH Loadstar
 stakebody of about the same size many times.
 
  -Curt

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[WILTON]

So, it's on break right.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Rich? Max?



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Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?

[WILTON]

So, it's on break right NOW.

Wilton

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So, it's on break right.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Rich? Max?



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Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?

[Curt Raymond]

Air breaks? I was under the impression that air brakes made it a CDL vehicle 
even though he claims its under CDL weight which I would have expected. Back 
in my Boy Scout Camp days I got to drive an IH Loadstar stakebody of about the 
same size many times.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:23:02 -0500
From: Tim C bb...@crone.us
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Rich? Max?
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Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?

[Jim Cathey]

I was under the impression that air brakes made it a CDL vehicle even 
though he claims its under CDL weight which I would have expected.


Probably the same system as my Unimog.  It's air-over-hydraulic,
which is not pure air.  Thus not CDL.  (No different than the
uber-common vacuum-over-hydraulic car system, really.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Nothing to do with air brakes, if it's 26k or over have to gave cdl

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Air breaks? I was under the impression that air brakes made it a CDL vehicle 
 even though he claims its under CDL weight which I would have expected. 
 Back in my Boy Scout Camp days I got to drive an IH Loadstar stakebody of 
 about the same size many times.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:23:02 -0500
 From: Tim C bb...@crone.us
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] Rich? Max?
 Message-ID:
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Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?

[Rich Thomas]

But the break dose work!

--R

On 12/17/11 1:10 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
I was under the impression that air brakes made it a CDL vehicle even 
though he claims its under CDL weight which I would have expected.


Probably the same system as my Unimog.  It's air-over-hydraulic,
which is not pure air.  Thus not CDL.  (No different than the
uber-common vacuum-over-hydraulic car system, really.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?

[G Mann]

Wish it was closer, it would make a great rat rod hauler. I'd spend $1,500
for it in a new york minute, but it would take another $3000 to get it to
the left coast.

Grant...
AZ...

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 But the break dose work!

 --R


 On 12/17/11 1:10 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 I was under the impression that air brakes made it a CDL vehicle even
 though he claims its under CDL weight which I would have expected.


 Probably the same system as my Unimog.  It's air-over-hydraulic,
 which is not pure air.  Thus not CDL.  (No different than the
 uber-common vacuum-over-hydraulic car system, really.)

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Rich? Max?

[Hans Neureiter]

CDL is required by weigth (over 2 tons curb weigth and more than 2
axles) and if for hire.
I can drive a 6 axle  100 ton Grove down the freeway without any DL at all.
And there are School bus drivers. Different Endorsement.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Nothing to do with air brakes, if it's 26k or over have to gave cdl

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Air breaks? I was under the impression that air brakes made it a CDL
 vehicle even though he claims its under CDL weight which I would have
 expected. Back in my Boy Scout Camp days I got to drive an IH Loadstar
 stakebody of about the same size many times.
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:23:02 -0500
  From: Tim C bb...@crone.us
  To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: [MBZ] Rich? Max?
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 caefegzp8t4ut7itotfa46ew2elg_6vfigp_w3v2bsqpfxbc...@mail.gmail.com
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[MBZ] Rich? Max?

[Tim C]

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Re: [MBZ] Rich needs to work and play well with others

[andrew strasfogel]

Don't bother to change it - ever.  Just top it up with whatevr oil you
happen to have on hand.

On 12/8/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 Thank you.  Do you know what the best oil is to use in my merzaydees dissel?

 --R

 On 12/7/11 11:29 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
 Rich, you are so NOT helpful.

 On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:


 On 12/7/11 6:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 Someone needs to change the Subject line of this thread.
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com
 Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:55:00
 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
 Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

 How close are you to Nashua?

 My former customer in Woburn was making overtures about hiring me back
 in
 the early 90s, when the housing market was tanking there. We looked at
 houses in Nashua, as we didn't want to live in Taxachusetts...

 Nice area, for that matter, there are a lot of nice areas around Boston
 and environs.

 Dan

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 On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com   wrote:

   T'other way 'round Loren, I'm living in exile...
 Dimitri, I live in north central MA on the New Hampshire border. About
 65 miles north west of Boston. The acreage in Maine is in Caribou which
 is
 the last city (such as it is) north in the state.

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:48:39 -0600
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming
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 No he escaped!

 In the 70s, the state of Wisconsin put out a bumper sticker to
 promote tourism.  It said Escape to Wisconsin.  It was meant for
 FIBs.  However in the northern counties, a lot of locals cut them
 apart and put parts on their bumpers:  Escape Wisconsin.


   Do you live in Maine?!!
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Re: [MBZ] Rich needs to work and play well with others

[Rich Thomas]

I've heard that used veggie oil is good to use in them?  Will that work?

--R

On 12/8/11 11:57 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Don't bother to change it - ever.  Just top it up with whatevr oil you
happen to have on hand.

On 12/8/11, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

Thank you.  Do you know what the best oil is to use in my merzaydees dissel?

--R

On 12/7/11 11:29 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Rich, you are so NOT helpful.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net   wrote:


On 12/7/11 6:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Someone needs to change the Subject line of this thread.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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Re: [MBZ] Rich needs to work and play well with others

[Walt Zarnoch]

Some bozo wonder clown is likely to have done it, changed it, then ran
it as fuel...

I cringe whenever people say yeah, I cut the fuel with my old engine oil...

Walt

On 12/8/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 I've heard that used veggie oil is good to use in them?  Will that work?

 --R

 On 12/8/11 11:57 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
 Don't bother to change it - ever.  Just top it up with whatevr oil you
 happen to have on hand.

 On 12/8/11, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:
 Thank you.  Do you know what the best oil is to use in my merzaydees
 dissel?

 --R

 On 12/7/11 11:29 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
 Rich, you are so NOT helpful.

 On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net   wrote:

 On 12/7/11 6:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 Someone needs to change the Subject line of this thread.
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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[MBZ] Rich your convertible is ready for you

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

1987 MERCEDES 560SL Roadster Convertible - $3900 (Columbia, South
Carolina)

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/1770178627.html

1987 Mecedes 560SL Hardtop Roadster Convertible, Great collectors car or
Summer cruseing fun, V-8,automatic,Very good condition for a 23 year old
car, cream color with chocolate interior,Runs  Drives great,new brake
pads,rotorscalipers,,needs new set covers,shows 154,000 miles,odometer
not working, Bluebook $9000-$20,000 value, A FANTASTIC DEAL at only
$3900 , Call 803-318-0789 St Andrews, Irmo area

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] Rich your convertible is ready for you

[Rich Thomas]

We could buy it together then I come to live with you when I get thrown 
out of the house, that way we can both drive it?


--R

On 6/11/2010 11:33 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

1987 MERCEDES 560SL Roadster Convertible - $3900 (Columbia, South
Carolina)

http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/1770178627.html

1987 Mecedes 560SL Hardtop Roadster Convertible, Great collectors car or
Summer cruseing fun, V-8,automatic,Very good condition for a 23 year old
car, cream color with chocolate interior,Runs  Drives great,new brake
pads,rotorscalipers,,needs new set covers,shows 154,000 miles,odometer
not working, Bluebook $9000-$20,000 value, A FANTASTIC DEAL at only
$3900 , Call 803-318-0789 St Andrews, Irmo area

-Max
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[MBZ] Rich person owned

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 
91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 
85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] Rich person owned

[WILTON]

'Could mean he didn't care how it was treated, too.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Rich person owned



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--
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95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 
560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro 
manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com



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[MBZ] Rich wants a Cordoba was Re: Worst, getting longer.

[Donald Snook]

Rich wrote: HM, maybe I should go look for one?  I wonder though if I 
could find the leisure suit to complete my suave and debonair appearance.

Here you go, Rich!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Highly-Optioned-Chrysler_W0QQitemZ270310552361QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6181QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And another one!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-CHRYSLER-CORDOBA-vintage-classic14677-orig-miles_W0QQitemZ260326554338QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6181QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

AND here's something to wear while driving

http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-70s-LEVIS-PANATELA-LEISURE-SUIT-UNWORN-M_W0QQitemZ260323267196QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Unisex_T_Shirts?hash=item260323267196_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

There is an awful picture of my father and me (I was only 4-5 at the time) and 
my father and I have on matching red/white leisure suits.  He had an afro and 
is smoking a pipe.  He didn't have a Cordoba, instead he had a 1977 Oldsmobile 
Cutlass Supreme.  We also had black naugahyde furniture and red shag carpeting. 
 My father wasn't a pimp, it was just the 70's.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Rich wants a Cordoba was Re: Worst, getting longer.

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260326554338


 My father wasn't a pimp, it was just the 70's.

That ebay listing brings back memories. I once owned a 1978 Dodge Charger SE, 
black, with red stripes and T-tops and a 360 engine. The Charger SE was just a 
Cordoba with low seats.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Rich wants a Cordoba was Re: Worst, getting longer.

[Rich Thomas]

I wanted a beige Cordoba, very snazzy.

--R

Donald Snook wrote:

Rich wrote: HM, maybe I should go look for one?  I wonder though if I could 
find the leisure suit to complete my suave and debonair appearance.

Here you go, Rich!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Highly-Optioned-Chrysler_W0QQitemZ270310552361QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6181QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And another one!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-CHRYSLER-CORDOBA-vintage-classic14677-orig-miles_W0QQitemZ260326554338QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6181QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

AND here's something to wear while driving

http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-70s-LEVIS-PANATELA-LEISURE-SUIT-UNWORN-M_W0QQitemZ260323267196QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Unisex_T_Shirts?hash=item260323267196_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

There is an awful picture of my father and me (I was only 4-5 at the time) and 
my father and I have on matching red/white leisure suits.  He had an afro and 
is smoking a pipe.  He didn't have a Cordoba, instead he had a 1977 Oldsmobile 
Cutlass Supreme.  We also had black naugahyde furniture and red shag carpeting. 
 My father wasn't a pimp, it was just the 70's.


Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS

[Max Dillon]

Found one for you, I'm passing because it doesn't have AC.  '72 350SL for $3950 
(typo?)

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html



--
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/s/ 
Max Dillon 
'87 300TD, 310k miles 
Charleston SC 
Digest lurker (on and off) since 
2001 
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Re: [MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS

[Jim Cathey]

I'm passing because it doesn't have AC.  '72 350SL for $3950 (typo?)
http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html


It has it.  It's probably just broken, but I'm sure
it's fixable, as opposed to a Euro car that was made
without it or something.  (Well, it has the thermostat
knob, anyway.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] RICH NEEDS TO BUY THIS

[Rich Thomas]

My wife would love it after she killed me.

--R

Max Dillon wrote:

Found one for you, I'm passing because it doesn't have AC.  '72 350SL for $3950 
(typo?)

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/865375420.html



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/s/ 
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Charleston SC 
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2001 
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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[RELNGSON]

 Anybody on this list?  Do you know who I am?
 
Certainly. You are Richard Thomas.

Good night, John Boy.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] Rich

[Rich Thomas]

See, I am worth millions.

--R

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Anybody on this list?  Do you know who I am?



Certainly. You are Richard Thomas.

Good night, John Boy.

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