Re: [MBZ] Could be interesting 2004 Mercedes Wagon E500 - $2, 500 (Columbia)

2021-02-24 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
The only issue I see is the salvage title, wonder what the deal is with
that.
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Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:35 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Guy says this is a 4M and is clean inside and out, has no other pics.  I
> might take a little road trip and go look at it. Anyone have an interest?
>
>
> Very clean and dependable garaged kept and we'll maintenanced.
> Everything works as it should. Fresh oil change and new tires. The only
> thing this car could use is a front axle and fresh spark plugs. must see
> to appreciate!!!
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/24/21 10:23 AM, Floyd Thursby wrote:
> >
> https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-2004-mercedes-wagon-e500/7281800555.html
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Could be interesting 2004 Mercedes Wagon E500 - $2, 500 (Columbia)

2021-02-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I do. PM me.

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Guy says this is a 4M and is clean inside and out, has no other pics.  I 
> might take a little road trip and go look at it. Anyone have an interest?
> 
> 
> Very clean and dependable garaged kept and we'll maintenanced. Everything 
> works as it should. Fresh oil change and new tires. The only thing this car 
> could use is a front axle and fresh spark plugs. must see to appreciate!!!
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 2/24/21 10:23 AM, Floyd Thursby wrote:
>> https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-2004-mercedes-wagon-e500/7281800555.html
>>  
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Could be interesting 2004 Mercedes Wagon E500 - $2, 500 (Columbia)

2021-02-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Guy says this is a 4M and is clean inside and out, has no other pics.  I 
might take a little road trip and go look at it. Anyone have an interest?



Very clean and dependable garaged kept and we'll maintenanced. 
Everything works as it should. Fresh oil change and new tires. The only 
thing this car could use is a front axle and fresh spark plugs. must see 
to appreciate!!!


--FT

On 2/24/21 10:23 AM, Floyd Thursby wrote:
https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-2004-mercedes-wagon-e500/7281800555.html 




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[MBZ] Could be interesting 2004 Mercedes Wagon E500 - $2, 500 (Columbia)

2021-02-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbia-2004-mercedes-wagon-e500/7281800555.html

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Re: [MBZ] might be interesting

2021-01-19 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
You'd think maybe they'd find dealers who would be willing to provide
title services as a donation-in-kind. Tax writeoff for the dealer, plus
goodwill. More $$$ for the charity. Maybe not enough kind-hearted
dealers around?

On the other hand if the charity is volunteer-run, it sort of makes
sense to keep the workload to a minimum, otherwise you lose volunteers.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> I would imagine after their fees, and the copart fees, the check is probably 
> very small. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> They don’t care, because it’s essentially free money for them.
>> 
>> My local NPR station has a guy that coordinates these donations. That is, he 
>> makes the calls to the service that disposes of the cars/boats/whatever. 
>> They never touch or see the vehicle, they just call a service that picks it 
>> up, determines the best way to get rid of it (many times it’s CoPart) and 
>> sends them the check after deducting his fees.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 9:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 On 2021-01-18 19:51, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 Too bad you have to have a dealers license or use a broker for TN
 https://www.copart.com/lot/53868750/clean-title-1985-mercedes-benz-500-sel-tn-memphis
>>> 
>>> Around here, the donation places don't want to mess with retitling, so they 
>>> just leave it on the donor's title and sell it to dealers who can reassign 
>>> the title. But that kills the auction value of the donated car. It's as if 
>>> the charities don't care, because the car was free.
>>> 

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Re: [MBZ] might be interesting

2021-01-19 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Which brings us back to government/charity think: free money beats no 
money.


About 20 years ago, a local fire chief signed a contract with 
telemarketers.
The telemarketers did all the work, and at the end of the campaign 
they'd cut a check to the FD for 4% of the gross. Which was all well and 
good, until the details became public, and the average working stiff was 
quite irate to learn that giving $100 of hard earned cash to the FD 
meant flushing $96 down the tube from their point of view.


Mitch.


On 2021-01-19 09:04, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I would imagine after their fees, and the copart fees, the check is
probably very small.


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Re: [MBZ] might be interesting

2021-01-19 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I would imagine after their fees, and the copart fees, the check is probably 
very small. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They don’t care, because it’s essentially free money for them.
> 
> My local NPR station has a guy that coordinates these donations. That is, he 
> makes the calls to the service that disposes of the cars/boats/whatever. They 
> never touch or see the vehicle, they just call a service that picks it up, 
> determines the best way to get rid of it (many times it’s CoPart) and sends 
> them the check after deducting his fees.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 9:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2021-01-18 19:51, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Too bad you have to have a dealers license or use a broker for TN
>>> https://www.copart.com/lot/53868750/clean-title-1985-mercedes-benz-500-sel-tn-memphis
>> 
>> Around here, the donation places don't want to mess with retitling, so they 
>> just leave it on the donor's title and sell it to dealers who can reassign 
>> the title. But that kills the auction value of the donated car. It's as if 
>> the charities don't care, because the car was free.
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Re: [MBZ] might be interesting

2021-01-19 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
There was some sort of charity outfit in Houston that would get donated cars 
and have a live auction once a month at a lot they had in a fairly rough part 
of town. I went to a couple just for grins. Some of the cars were total junk, 
others not too bad. I remember some kid and his mother were there once and 
bought a half-decent 300SD for $800, the kid was ecstatic. It was a reasonable 
deal at the time. Another one I remember was a clapped-out Vega 2 ol boys 
bought to make a dragster, it went for some fairly big money, like $2k if I 
recall but they were happy with the deal. 

The auctions lasted a year or two then faded away, no idea what happened to the 
organization. 

--FT
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> On Jan 19, 2021, at 6:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They don’t care, because it’s essentially free money for them.
> 
> My local NPR station has a guy that coordinates these donations. That is, he 
> makes the calls to the service that disposes of the cars/boats/whatever. They 
> never touch or see the vehicle, they just call a service that picks it up, 
> determines the best way to get rid of it (many times it’s CoPart) and sends 
> them the check after deducting his fees.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 9:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2021-01-18 19:51, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Too bad you have to have a dealers license or use a broker for TN
>>> https://www.copart.com/lot/53868750/clean-title-1985-mercedes-benz-500-sel-tn-memphis
>> 
>> Around here, the donation places don't want to mess with retitling, so they 
>> just leave it on the donor's title and sell it to dealers who can reassign 
>> the title. But that kills the auction value of the donated car. It's as if 
>> the charities don't care, because the car was free.
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Re: [MBZ] might be interesting

2021-01-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
They don’t care, because it’s essentially free money for them.

My local NPR station has a guy that coordinates these donations. That is, he 
makes the calls to the service that disposes of the cars/boats/whatever. They 
never touch or see the vehicle, they just call a service that picks it up, 
determines the best way to get rid of it (many times it’s CoPart) and sends 
them the check after deducting his fees.

-D

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 9:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-18 19:51, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Too bad you have to have a dealers license or use a broker for TN
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/53868750/clean-title-1985-mercedes-benz-500-sel-tn-memphis
> 
> Around here, the donation places don't want to mess with retitling, so they 
> just leave it on the donor's title and sell it to dealers who can reassign 
> the title. But that kills the auction value of the donated car. It's as if 
> the charities don't care, because the car was free.
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Re: [MBZ] might be interesting

2021-01-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On 2021-01-18 19:51, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Too bad you have to have a dealers license or use a broker for TN

https://www.copart.com/lot/53868750/clean-title-1985-mercedes-benz-500-sel-tn-memphis


Around here, the donation places don't want to mess with retitling, so 
they just leave it on the donor's title and sell it to dealers who can 
reassign the title. But that kills the auction value of the donated car. 
It's as if the charities don't care, because the car was free.


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[MBZ] might be interesting

2021-01-18 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Too bad you have to have a dealers license or use a broker for TN

https://www.copart.com/lot/53868750/clean-title-1985-mercedes-benz-500-sel-tn-memphis


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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, interesting car jibberish

2020-10-06 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
That looks like some kind of lorem ipsum keyword generator, intended to match 
every conceivable
search filter so that this ad. turns up on any vehicle search, yet not get 
flagged and discarded as
merely having a crass list of inappropriate keywords tacked at the end.  I've 
seen it before.

Or the guy is batshit crazy.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, interesting car jibberish

2020-10-06 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The sovereign citizen stuff gets caught in our data loss prevention system, so 
I’ll see it when it hits the fence. It’s amazing to read and doesn’t seem to be 
totally crazy until you read and parse the whole thing. My Mom got caught up in 
this garbage years ago and was convinced that she wouldn’t have to pay taxes if 
she claimed to be a sovereign citizen. It was silly to think, as  she was 
retired and probably paid little to nothing in taxes to begin with.

Fortunately, my brother, a commercial banker who also took care of her 
financials, convinced her it would be a very bad idea for her to pursue this. 
She backed off.

-D

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was at a trade show of some sort once, this well-dressed, well-spoken guy 
> comes up to me and engages in a conversation, seemed pretty smart and 
> interested in whatever I was flogging at the time.  After a few minutes he 
> says he needs to go look at other stuff but could I take a look at this stack 
> of papers he pulls from his satchel then get back to him on how to proceed.  
> I say sure, he hands me the papers and walks off.
> 
> I had a slow time so I started reading this stuff.  It was several pages of 
> well-written nonsense, single-spaced, no paragraph breaks, something about 
> atomic energy if I recall. Stuff like this.  Guy stops by a bit later and 
> wants to engage on my thoughts on his report, was very persistent.  I guess I 
> was the only person to talk with him.  He got annoying so finally I had to 
> tell him I couldn't talk anymore, he got pretty agitated but finally left.  
> It was weird, I guess he was total schizo.  Kinda said too as the guy was 
> clearly pretty smart but just batsh*t crazy.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 10/6/20 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> This reminds me of the crazy long letters the nutcases who claim sovereign 
>> citizenship send in to our clerk’s office to be recorded.
>> 
>> https://people.howstuffworks.com/sovereign-citizen-movement.htm
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Read the stuff below in the description
>>> 
>>> https://greensboro.craigslist.org/ctd/d/roswell-2019-mercedes-benz-class-560/7208960041.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, interesting car jibberish

2020-10-06 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On 2020-10-06 09:59, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Kinda said (sad?) too as the guy was clearly pretty smart but
just batsh*t crazy.


I believe Theodore John Kaczynski was clearly pretty smart.
The batshit part seems pretty well established too.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, interesting car jibberish

2020-10-06 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I was at a trade show of some sort once, this well-dressed, well-spoken 
guy comes up to me and engages in a conversation, seemed pretty smart 
and interested in whatever I was flogging at the time.  After a few 
minutes he says he needs to go look at other stuff but could I take a 
look at this stack of papers he pulls from his satchel then get back to 
him on how to proceed.  I say sure, he hands me the papers and walks off.


I had a slow time so I started reading this stuff.  It was several pages 
of well-written nonsense, single-spaced, no paragraph breaks, something 
about atomic energy if I recall. Stuff like this.  Guy stops by a bit 
later and wants to engage on my thoughts on his report, was very 
persistent.  I guess I was the only person to talk with him.  He got 
annoying so finally I had to tell him I couldn't talk anymore, he got 
pretty agitated but finally left.  It was weird, I guess he was total 
schizo.  Kinda said too as the guy was clearly pretty smart but just 
batsh*t crazy.


--FT

On 10/6/20 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This reminds me of the crazy long letters the nutcases who claim sovereign 
citizenship send in to our clerk’s office to be recorded.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/sovereign-citizen-movement.htm

-D


On Oct 6, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Read the stuff below in the description

https://greensboro.craigslist.org/ctd/d/roswell-2019-mercedes-benz-class-560/7208960041.html

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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, interesting car jibberish

2020-10-06 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
This reminds me of the crazy long letters the nutcases who claim sovereign 
citizenship send in to our clerk’s office to be recorded.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/sovereign-citizen-movement.htm

-D

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Read the stuff below in the description
> 
> https://greensboro.craigslist.org/ctd/d/roswell-2019-mercedes-benz-class-560/7208960041.html
> 
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[MBZ] Nice car, interesting car jibberish

2020-10-06 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Read the stuff below in the description

https://greensboro.craigslist.org/ctd/d/roswell-2019-mercedes-benz-class-560/7208960041.html

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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Those rare moments I am actually in a vehicle this year and use the phone, I 
tell it I am not driving, but walking.

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I paid my Allstate car insurance using their app on my phone. The app updated 
> at some point. 
> 
> When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it 
> could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to 
> continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Allstate has been advertising "pay per mile" plans here, so it's probaby
related to that.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:

> I paid my Allstate car insurance using their app on my phone. The app updated 
> at some point. 
>
> When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it 
> could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to 
> continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits 
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The app gives you the ability to remove or delete “trips” that it records. For 
instance, if you’re not driving, you can tell it you’re not.

You can also disable the app’s ability to phone home, too, if you want.

-D

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, when you feel like blasting around with you foot down, you "forget" the 
> phone at home?
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 02/10/2020 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m using it at present, although grudgingly. Remember, I’m an IT security 
>> professional.
>> 
>> Why do I use it? Because I get a significant discount with it, like 20%. 
>> When your insurance costs exceed $3k/year for two cars, ten bucks is ten 
>> bucks, as Geddy Lee says. I vetted the app and found that it’s pretty 
>> innocuous for the most part, relying primarily on the accelerometer to 
>> determine braking, acceleration and speed. Those are the biggies. They also 
>> ding you for time of day, with late night and early morning being bad times 
>> to drive statistically. They don’t appear to be getting any sort of location 
>> information from what I can see.
>> 
>> As long as you don’t exceed 80 mph, change lanes rapidly, or jam on your 
>> brakes, you’re good. In other words, Mrs. Dan DOES NOT have this app on her 
>> phone.
>> 
>> My biggest gripe about it? It’s horribly inefficient and sucks battery 
>> power. I’ve given feedback about it in this regard, and received 
>> notifications that they’re aware of this and working to make it less of a 
>> drain. When I was recently up in Indiana for four days I turned it off. 
>> Yeah, I was driving on occasion, but I also didn’t want to have to have my 
>> phone on a charger the whole time, either.
>> 
>> If the discount wasn’t as significant I wouldn’t bother with it. Sometimes 
>> you have to balance security with benefits. In this case I’ll take the money 
>> and let them look over my shoulder.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I paid my Allstate car insurance using their app on my phone. The app 
>>> updated at some point.
>>> 
>>> When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it 
>>> could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to 
>>> continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits
>>> 
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On 2020-10-02 11:34, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’m using it at present, although grudgingly. Remember, I’m an IT
security professional.

Why do I use it? Because I get a significant discount with it, like
20%. When your insurance costs exceed $3k/year for two cars, ten bucks
is ten bucks, as Geddy Lee says. I vetted the app and found that it’s
pretty innocuous for the most part, relying primarily on the
accelerometer to determine braking, acceleration and speed. Those are
the biggies.


That's my favorite part. If you stop for a yellow light and check your 
scorecard afterward, they ding you for a 'hard stop'. If you sail 
through as or slightly after the light turns red, your insurance score 
is better.


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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
So, when you feel like blasting around with you foot down, you "forget" 
the phone at home?


RB


On 02/10/2020 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’m using it at present, although grudgingly. Remember, I’m an IT security 
professional.

Why do I use it? Because I get a significant discount with it, like 20%. When 
your insurance costs exceed $3k/year for two cars, ten bucks is ten bucks, as 
Geddy Lee says. I vetted the app and found that it’s pretty innocuous for the 
most part, relying primarily on the accelerometer to determine braking, 
acceleration and speed. Those are the biggies. They also ding you for time of 
day, with late night and early morning being bad times to drive statistically. 
They don’t appear to be getting any sort of location information from what I 
can see.

As long as you don’t exceed 80 mph, change lanes rapidly, or jam on your 
brakes, you’re good. In other words, Mrs. Dan DOES NOT have this app on her 
phone.

My biggest gripe about it? It’s horribly inefficient and sucks battery power. 
I’ve given feedback about it in this regard, and received notifications that 
they’re aware of this and working to make it less of a drain. When I was 
recently up in Indiana for four days I turned it off. Yeah, I was driving on 
occasion, but I also didn’t want to have to have my phone on a charger the 
whole time, either.

If the discount wasn’t as significant I wouldn’t bother with it. Sometimes you 
have to balance security with benefits. In this case I’ll take the money and 
let them look over my shoulder.

-D


On Oct 2, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I paid my Allstate car insurance using their app on my phone. The app updated 
at some point.

When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it 
could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to 
continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’m using it at present, although grudgingly. Remember, I’m an IT security 
professional.

Why do I use it? Because I get a significant discount with it, like 20%. When 
your insurance costs exceed $3k/year for two cars, ten bucks is ten bucks, as 
Geddy Lee says. I vetted the app and found that it’s pretty innocuous for the 
most part, relying primarily on the accelerometer to determine braking, 
acceleration and speed. Those are the biggies. They also ding you for time of 
day, with late night and early morning being bad times to drive statistically. 
They don’t appear to be getting any sort of location information from what I 
can see.

As long as you don’t exceed 80 mph, change lanes rapidly, or jam on your 
brakes, you’re good. In other words, Mrs. Dan DOES NOT have this app on her 
phone.

My biggest gripe about it? It’s horribly inefficient and sucks battery power. 
I’ve given feedback about it in this regard, and received notifications that 
they’re aware of this and working to make it less of a drain. When I was 
recently up in Indiana for four days I turned it off. Yeah, I was driving on 
occasion, but I also didn’t want to have to have my phone on a charger the 
whole time, either.

If the discount wasn’t as significant I wouldn’t bother with it. Sometimes you 
have to balance security with benefits. In this case I’ll take the money and 
let them look over my shoulder.

-D

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I paid my Allstate car insurance using their app on my phone. The app updated 
> at some point. 
> 
> When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it 
> could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to 
> continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Big Brother

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> updated at some point.
>
> When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it
> could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to
> continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits
>
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[MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I paid my Allstate car insurance using their app on my phone. The app updated 
at some point. 

When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it 
could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to 
continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits 

--R
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[MBZ] This is interesting WUZ:It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes



Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 10:32 PM:


"The powers that be" are blowing things out of proportion to destroy the
economy and rob Donald Trump of a campaign issue.


Craig

Note the date is 2016.   This was predicted.   We've had a "sky is 
falling" event each year since y2k in 1999.   It has become a very 
predictable pattern.  This particular event is not heavy on the #5 "one 
condition = one cause", but the others sure seem to be right on; 
particularly numbers 6 through 10.


More Americans need to throw out the tv and stop watching/listening 
to/reading the propaganda channels.



 Ebola, Swine Flu, Zika, SARS – The Anatomy of a False Flag Disease

Ebola-Swine-Flu-Zika-SARS-The-Anatomy-of-a-False-Flag-Disease-1 



6th April 2016

ByPaul A. Philips 

Guest writer forWake Up World 



There’s no better example of the deceptive world we live in than 
the/manufacture/of a disease. Epidemic or pandemic, whether it’s the 
zika virus or others such as ebola, swine flu, bird flu, SARS… all these 
diseases share a number of common repetitive patterns throughout their 
deceptive histories.


So, here are 10 common repetitive patterns making up the anatomy of a 
manufactured, ‘false flag’ disease.


**


   1. A disease outbreak suddenly finds its way into the spotlight of
   mass media attention.

Through unquestioning blind acceptance, going into agreement with the 
general consensus through mass media spin the sheep-like public 
immediately assume that the official authoritative view regarding the 
disease outbreak is correct…



   2. Questioning at the early stages reveals suspicious circumstances.

Those not readily accepting the official view, able to think for 
themselves, through questioning suspect that a deception may be at work:


For starters, something to immediately arouse suspicion at least at the 
early stages of the scare is the fact that these diseases have existed 
before and had only produced temporary mild feverish, flu-like 
symptoms. So why the sudden epidemic outbreak of a so-called deadly virus?



   3. Unfounded assertions, errors and contradictions.

As with other false flag diseases, the zika deadly virus claim was found 
by independent investigative journalists such as Jon Rappoport 
 to have a number of unfounded 
assertions, irreconcilable errors and contradictions:


The first stage when proving that a particular virus is responsible for 
an epidemic is to show its presence in every case or prove 
overwhelmingly by percentage. But in the realm of a false flag disease 
this doesn’t happen.


With, for example, the recent Zika pandemic outbreak In Brazil it was 
discovered that there were 404 cases not the suspected 4783: Then only 
17 of these 404 claimed cases could confirm the zika virus! But the 
Brazilian authorities ignored this and just went onto falsely claim that 
zika was responsible for microcephaly 
 (children 
born with abnormally small heads due to incomplete brain development).


Wasn’t this a case of bad science and bad lies? The Emperor has no clothes.

Then there was the case of the 2014 Ebola outbreak in West Africa. 
Here’s some good armoury for your false flag/false claims detection kit. 
Beware of 2 unreliable and untrustworthy tests: The PCR (Polymerise 
Chain Reaction) and antibody tests.


As with other diseases these tests were used to falsely claim that Ebola 
was responsible for the 2014 outbreak 
.


The PCR test is prone to mis-identification and contamination errors as 
it relies on growing such a tiny amount of viral fragment sample and can 
only produce qualitative results not quantitative, meaning that it 
cannot indicate whether or not a person has enough virus in them to get 
sick…


The antibody test if carried out correctly (as this test is frequently 
prone to errors) has the same problems in that it can only produce 
qualitative results. It can only tell if the person tested has 
antibodies for the specific virus. This would at least indicate that the 
person had at one time contracted the virus. However, it cannot tell 
whether or not the person presently has enough of the virus to get sick 
or have any virus in them at all.


Thus in both cases highly questionable results have been used to 
indicate sickness and disease.


Why does the Rockefeller Foundation hold a patent on the Zika virus 



/Why does the Rockefeller Foundation hold a patent on the Zika virus?/


   4. 

Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2019-11-09 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Or this

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/714281915755890/?ref=browse_tab_query=Mercedes

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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2019-11-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
No photo of the trunk showing the badge so I am suspicious.

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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2019-11-06 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
That would be nice

--FT
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[MBZ] This looks interesting

2019-11-06 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2404168306500307/


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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2019-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Denial needs to trade his Silver Arrow for one. 
There were only 30 of these, makes it more of a rarity than the Silver Arrow. 
http://www.oursl.com/NewsLetter/NL0801/1997_SL500.htm
Mitch. 
> On January 15, 2019 at 1:25 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Garish interior!
> 
> https://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1357978-1997-sl500-la-costa-special-edition.html
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[MBZ] This is interesting

2019-01-15 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Garish interior!

https://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1357978-1997-sl500-la-costa-special-edition.html

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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting -- Poos?

2018-03-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Meaning that there is no easy way to diagnose engine issues?

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> And no, there are no magickal boxes for these cars for the most part.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 23, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Avoid any early R129s like the plague. There are numerous reasons why
> you don’t want to touch one of these.
> >
> > You have been warned.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Mar 23, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Poos needs to weigh in on if it needs the magick box to diagnose or if
> it can be sorted through less technical means
> >>
> >> --R
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 23, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Nice color (blau grun?).  I wonder what's wrong with the engine?
> >>>
>  On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-300sl-
> 5-speed/6537466276.html
> 
> 
>   1991 Mercedes 300SL 5 Speed - $3000
> 
>  1991 Mercedes 300sl  Very Rare 5 speed  3.0 DOHC 24 valve engine  Only
>  104K miles. This car has been setting for a long time. The engine will
>  start and run but will need to be worked on by someone who knows
>  Mercedes. The body is good. The interior is good but, the drivers seat
>  needs some work (see pics) This is a project car. Give me a call to
> see
>  this rare Mercedes.  NO TEXT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting -- Poos?

2018-03-23 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
And no, there are no magickal boxes for these cars for the most part.

-D

> On Mar 23, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Avoid any early R129s like the plague. There are numerous reasons why you 
> don’t want to touch one of these.
> 
> You have been warned.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Poos needs to weigh in on if it needs the magick box to diagnose or if it 
>> can be sorted through less technical means
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice color (blau grun?).  I wonder what's wrong with the engine?
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-300sl-5-speed/6537466276.html
 
 
  1991 Mercedes 300SL 5 Speed - $3000
 
 1991 Mercedes 300sl  Very Rare 5 speed  3.0 DOHC 24 valve engine  Only
 104K miles. This car has been setting for a long time. The engine will
 start and run but will need to be worked on by someone who knows
 Mercedes. The body is good. The interior is good but, the drivers seat
 needs some work (see pics) This is a project car. Give me a call to see
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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting -- Poos?

2018-03-23 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Avoid any early R129s like the plague. There are numerous reasons why you don’t 
want to touch one of these.

You have been warned.

-D

> On Mar 23, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Poos needs to weigh in on if it needs the magick box to diagnose or if it can 
> be sorted through less technical means
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Nice color (blau grun?).  I wonder what's wrong with the engine?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-300sl-5-speed/6537466276.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   1991 Mercedes 300SL 5 Speed - $3000
>>> 
>>> 1991 Mercedes 300sl  Very Rare 5 speed  3.0 DOHC 24 valve engine  Only
>>> 104K miles. This car has been setting for a long time. The engine will
>>> start and run but will need to be worked on by someone who knows
>>> Mercedes. The body is good. The interior is good but, the drivers seat
>>> needs some work (see pics) This is a project car. Give me a call to see
>>> this rare Mercedes.  NO TEXT
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting -- Poos?

2018-03-23 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Poos needs to weigh in on if it needs the magick box to diagnose or if it can 
be sorted through less technical means

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Nice color (blau grun?).  I wonder what's wrong with the engine?
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-300sl-5-speed/6537466276.html
>> 
>> 
>>1991 Mercedes 300SL 5 Speed - $3000
>> 
>> 1991 Mercedes 300sl  Very Rare 5 speed  3.0 DOHC 24 valve engine  Only
>> 104K miles. This car has been setting for a long time. The engine will
>> start and run but will need to be worked on by someone who knows
>> Mercedes. The body is good. The interior is good but, the drivers seat
>> needs some work (see pics) This is a project car. Give me a call to see
>> this rare Mercedes.  NO TEXT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting -- Poos?

2018-03-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Nice color (blau grun?).  I wonder what's wrong with the engine?

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> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-300sl-
> 5-speed/6537466276.html
>
>
>1991 Mercedes 300SL 5 Speed - $3000
>
> 1991 Mercedes 300sl  Very Rare 5 speed  3.0 DOHC 24 valve engine  Only
> 104K miles. This car has been setting for a long time. The engine will
> start and run but will need to be worked on by someone who knows
> Mercedes. The body is good. The interior is good but, the drivers seat
> needs some work (see pics) This is a project car. Give me a call to see
> this rare Mercedes.  NO TEXT
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[MBZ] This looks interesting -- Poos?

2018-03-23 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-300sl-5-speed/6537466276.html


   1991 Mercedes 300SL 5 Speed - $3000

1991 Mercedes 300sl  Very Rare 5 speed  3.0 DOHC 24 valve engine  Only
104K miles. This car has been setting for a long time. The engine will
start and run but will need to be worked on by someone who knows
Mercedes. The body is good. The interior is good but, the drivers seat
needs some work (see pics) This is a project car. Give me a call to see
this rare Mercedes.  NO TEXT

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2017-10-02 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
This has been posted before, I remember the fender dent and the "paint"
rust issue.  I'd love to have a garage with one of these and a diesel
G-wagon.

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2017-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
2.3-16s are like 450SEL-6.9s, they have wheels that were only made for them, 
and in my opinion not having those wheels is a price deduction. 

Mitch. 

> On October 2, 2017 at 10:02 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1987-mercedes-190e-cosworth/6325795389.html

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[MBZ] This is interesting

2017-10-02 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1987-mercedes-190e-cosworth/6325795389.html

Don't see too many of these, that is probably a reasonable price

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[MBZ] OT This interesting -- urfkwakes

2017-06-17 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/2017/06/16/theres-strange-reason-all-those-quakes-near-harrison/403563001/


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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-07 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

"A substantial portion of the car's value is in new parts"

--FT


On 5/7/17 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Too late to apologize since you already mentioned it.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> wrote:


"Many new parts too numerous to mention"

--FT


On 5/6/17 4:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

That is the way of cheap MBs!

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >
May 6, 2017 at 3:40 PM
I had to buy a $20some filter the other day so the cost is
already going up

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Too late to apologize since you already mentioned it.

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> "Many new parts too numerous to mention"
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 5/6/17 4:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> That is the way of cheap MBs!
>>
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>> May 6, 2017 at 3:40 PM
>>> I had to buy a $20some filter the other day so the cost is already going
>>> up
>>>
>>> --FT
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> large or petty,
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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-07 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

"Many new parts too numerous to mention"

--FT


On 5/6/17 4:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

That is the way of cheap MBs!


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
May 6, 2017 at 3:40 PM
I had to buy a $20some filter the other day so the cost is already 
going up


--FT



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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

That is the way of cheap MBs!


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
May 6, 2017 at 3:40 PM
I had to buy a $20some filter the other day so the cost is already 
going up


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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I had to buy a $20some filter the other day so the cost is already going up

--FT


On 5/6/17 4:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I want you to get it running, then I'll pay you $400 for it!   I think 
it would make a great SDL!



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
May 6, 2017 at 3:31 PM
Be careful now!  You might get me lamenting the purchase of the $200 
300POSEL


--FT





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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I want you to get it running, then I'll pay you $400 for it!   I think 
it would make a great SDL!



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
May 6, 2017 at 3:31 PM
Be careful now!  You might get me lamenting the purchase of the $200 
300POSEL


--FT





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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Be careful now!  You might get me lamenting the purchase of the $200 
300POSEL


--FT


On 5/6/17 3:16 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
A us version 300SEL is not far from a 200D automatic 


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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Especially when it is a euro version.  A 107 280SL will outrun the us 
versions of the 350, 450, 380, and possibly the 560 in american trim. 
Yuro M110 is a hot engine. (for its day)   It is not a 2.3 cosworth as 
in the 190E 2.3-16, but it is NOT shabby.


A us version 300SEL is not far from a 200D automatic

It was drilled into our heads in the 60s and 70s:  the fallicy, "there's 
no replacement for displacement"  My first foray into German cars showed 
me different, and even before that, in HS, a guy had a Fiat Abarth that 
caused may stories to be told.  That Abarth was what?  maybe 1200cc  no 
more than 1600.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
May 6, 2017 at 12:21 PM
I always laugh when you guys talk this way, I remember people 
bemoaning how slow a 300SE is. It can't be as slow as a 240D auto...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I always laugh when you guys talk this way, I remember people bemoaning how 
slow a 300SE is. It can't be as slow as a 240D auto...
-Curt


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Oops, I just saw that it has the 280 engine, I was thinking 380.  I wonder
how slow that is?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah kinda spendy but likely fairly rare
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 5/6/17 9:00 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, that is the second Euro model that's been advertised in the last
>> couple years.  The earlier car was brown.
>>
>> That would be very nice with the manual transmission, if it has a
>> high-compression Euro-spec engine.
>>
>> The eternal question: How bad is the rust?  At that price it better not
>> have a spec.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6116986677.html
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --FT
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>>> large or petty,
>>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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> large or petty,
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> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Yuro M110 2.8 is way better than a us M116 3.8!

I had a yuro 2.8 I was gonna put in a 111 4 speed.  That would have been 
awesome.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
May 6, 2017 at 8:07 AM
Oops, I just saw that it has the 280 engine, I was thinking 380. I wonder
how slow that is?

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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Oops, I just saw that it has the 280 engine, I was thinking 380.  I wonder
how slow that is?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah kinda spendy but likely fairly rare
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 5/6/17 9:00 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, that is the second Euro model that's been advertised in the last
>> couple years.  The earlier car was brown.
>>
>> That would be very nice with the manual transmission, if it has a
>> high-compression Euro-spec engine.
>>
>> The eternal question: How bad is the rust?  At that price it better not
>> have a spec.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6116986677.html
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --FT
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>>> large or petty,
>>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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>>> the enemy.”
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> large or petty,
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> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Yeah kinda spendy but likely fairly rare

--FT


On 5/6/17 9:00 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Hmmm, that is the second Euro model that's been advertised in the last
couple years.  The earlier car was brown.

That would be very nice with the manual transmission, if it has a
high-compression Euro-spec engine.

The eternal question: How bad is the rust?  At that price it better not
have a spec.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6116986677.html


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Re: [MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Hmmm, that is the second Euro model that's been advertised in the last
couple years.  The earlier car was brown.

That would be very nice with the manual transmission, if it has a
high-compression Euro-spec engine.

The eternal question: How bad is the rust?  At that price it better not
have a spec.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6116986677.html
>
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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[MBZ] This looks interesting

2017-05-06 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6116986677.html


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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Those are still the burning of fossil fuels, just remotely, by big 
corporations, with the money and lawyers to avoid laws.
Actually since  a lot of manufacturing is done offshore its by big corporations 
that own their governments and force more lax environmental laws...
-Curt

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But relatively speaking, those external effects are more easily
controllable and less damaging to air quality than the combustion of
burning fossil fuels

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wrote:

> The manufacturing of those solar cells is not without it's own costs and
> pollutants as well, and transmission loses from the cells to the hydrogen
> generators. TANSAAFL.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:24 PM, fmiser via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> > The Nikola truck is supposed to get "free fuel" from Nikola Motor
> > company and they are getting their hydrogen from photo-voltaic.
> > At least that's their plan.  Solar to get the hydrogen, hydrogen
> > fuel cell trucks to deliver it to the retail station.
> >
> > So "no emissions" - except for manufacturing, like tires, steel,
> > lubricating oils, paint, transportation for all of the above.
> >
> > Still has losses, though.
> >
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
>
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
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> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
But relatively speaking, those external effects are more easily
controllable and less damaging to air quality than the combustion of
burning fossil fuels

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:38 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The manufacturing of those solar cells is not without it's own costs and
> pollutants as well, and transmission loses from the cells to the hydrogen
> generators. TANSAAFL.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:24 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> > The Nikola truck is supposed to get "free fuel" from Nikola Motor
> > company and they are getting their hydrogen from photo-voltaic.
> > At least that's their plan.  Solar to get the hydrogen, hydrogen
> > fuel cell trucks to deliver it to the retail station.
> >
> > So "no emissions" - except for manufacturing, like tires, steel,
> > lubricating oils, paint, transportation for all of the above.
> >
> > Still has losses, though.
> >
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-07 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
The manufacturing of those solar cells is not without it's own costs and
pollutants as well, and transmission loses from the cells to the hydrogen
generators. TANSAAFL.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:24 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
>>
> The Nikola truck is supposed to get "free fuel" from Nikola Motor
> company and they are getting their hydrogen from photo-voltaic.
> At least that's their plan.  Solar to get the hydrogen, hydrogen
> fuel cell trucks to deliver it to the retail station.
>
> So "no emissions" - except for manufacturing, like tires, steel,
> lubricating oils, paint, transportation for all of the above.
>
> Still has losses, though.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-07 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

Curt wrote:



The thing is that the greenies want "no tailpipe emissions" to
equal "no emissions" which they don't. I had a huge argument
once where my side of the argument was just me repeating "where
does the hydrogen come from" over and over. My opponent had no
answer, he had no idea where hydrogen came from for powering a
fuel cell...


The Nikola truck is supposed to get "free fuel" from Nikola Motor
company and they are getting their hydrogen from photo-voltaic.
At least that's their plan.  Solar to get the hydrogen, hydrogen
fuel cell trucks to deliver it to the retail station.

So "no emissions" - except for manufacturing, like tires, steel, 
lubricating oils, paint, transportation for all of the above.


Still has losses, though.

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-07 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sure and there are no losses from transmission. The thing is that the greenies 
want "no tailpipe emissions" to equal "no emissions" which they don't.
I had a huge argument once where my side of the argument was just me repeating 
"where does the hydrogen come from" over and over. My opponent had no answer, 
he had no idea where hydrogen came from for powering a fuel cell...
Last time I looked into it, which would have been maybe 2 years ago, the best 
report I could find was that electrolysis to get hydrogen was something like 
20% efficient.
-Curt

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Peter wrote:
> I always fall down laughing when people talk about "ecological" electric or
> hydrogen powered cars.

Fall down laughing is a good thing?  The argument FOR electric or
hydrogen powered cars might be that the pollution generator is a
solitary point source generator rather than a diverse pollution
generator driving along the road?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-06 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Peter wrote:
> I always fall down laughing when people talk about "ecological" electric or
> hydrogen powered cars.

Fall down laughing is a good thing?  The argument FOR electric or
hydrogen powered cars might be that the pollution generator is a
solitary point source generator rather than a diverse pollution
generator driving along the road?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-06 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Precisely.  Hydrogen is not an energy source (unless you live on the sun).
Hydrogen is an energy storage medium (and a troublesome one at that).
Something else is the source.

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> 
> Commerical quantities of hydrogen usually come from natural gas these
days.
> Might eventually be produced by solar powered hydrolysis, but not
currently.
> 
> I always fall down laughing when people talk about "ecological"
> electric or hydrogen powered cars.  Electricity comes from magic, right?
Haha,
> they both produce MORE carbon than burning fossil fuel in the engine, what
> with conversion loses and all.
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-05 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Commerical quantities of hydrogen usually come from natural gas these  
days.  Might eventually be produced by solar powered hydrolysis, but  
not currently.


I always fall down laughing when people talk about "ecological"  
electric or hydrogen powered cars.  Electricity comes from magic,  
right?  Haha, they both produce MORE carbon than burning fossil fuel  
in the engine, what with conversion loses and all.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-05 Thread clay via Mercedes
Benz and Ballard Energy have sort of teamed up on the Hydro systems.  Fuel cell 
tech is being advanced, but at the club event their rep was not really good 
about saying where the fuel was going to be coming from.

clay


> On Dec 2, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mebbe they are gonna use an onboard generator to produce the go-gas.
> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM
>> These guys are apparently gonna put up sun catchers and make the basic 
>> matter of the universe from water or something.  I'm not sure of the 
>> whackonomics of that, and hauling H->2 around the country to truck stops, 
>> and putting in big Dewars everywhere the trucks might want to go.  I wonder 
>> if they will use the H->2 trucks to haul the H->2?  But I like their 
>> thinking.
>> 
>> And Hindenberg
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Curley McLain 
>> December 2, 2016 at 2:25 PM
>> It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little 
>> electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done that 
>> small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell them stop 
>> or else.   Jim was not intimidated.  Unfortunately the MIB paid off.  I have 
>> personally met and talked to 2 other people who were intimidated.
>> 
>> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
>> Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably and in
>> enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
>> molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
>> a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> stays
>> out Trumps bidness?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
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>> Jim Ettaro would be proud.  (RIP)  They may have silenced him, but they 
>> can't silence the economic viability of h 2 pow wer.
>> 
>> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2016 at 1:05 PM
>> OT 
>> https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/electric-big-rig-startup-nikola-comes-up-with-a-surpris-1789586024
>>  
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I will beg to differ with you.  It will rapidly oxidize in, say, a large 
balloon to which a length of jetex fuse has been attached, thence the 
whole affair released to float into the sky.


Not that I have any direct experience in that regard... nor in the 
reactionary home production of H->2 using commonly available household 
items...


--FT


On 12/2/16 4:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

H is not "explosive"  It does, however, burn rapidly.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 2:52 PM
This is the non--explosive isotope of H2, distilled in Norway from ultra
pure fjord waters.

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM
These guys are apparently gonna put up sun catchers and make the 
basic matter of the universe from water or something.  I'm not sure 
of the whackonomics of that, and hauling H->2 around the country to 
truck stops, and putting in big Dewars everywhere the trucks might 
want to go.  I wonder if they will use the H->2 trucks to haul the 
H->2?  But I like their thinking.


And Hindenberg

--FT



Curley McLain 
December 2, 2016 at 2:25 PM
It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little 
electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done 
that small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell 
them stop or else.   Jim was not intimidated.  Unfortunately the MIB 
paid off.  I have personally met and talked to 2 other people who 
were intimidated.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably 
and in

enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> 
stays

out Trumps bidness?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Jim Ettaro would be proud.  (RIP)  They may have silenced him, but 
they can't silence the economic viability of h 2 pow wer.





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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

no

If you read the posts, you'd already know that.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 10:26 PM
Didn't the H2 inflated Hindenburg explode?



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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Didn't the H2 inflated Hindenburg explode?

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> On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:29:35 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > How 'bout the 6 big electric motors?  then the cables, controls,
> > computers, etc.  Granted, the Diesel engine and trans probably weigh a
> > ton, and the axles probably weigh a ton.
> >
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > > December 2, 2016 at 5:11 PM
> > > Payload capacity is everything in a semi tractor.
> > > They're paying you to haul their freight, not your own vehicle weight.
> > > If you're carrying a ton of fuel and two tons of batteries, you're
> > > throwing away
> > > payload because total weight is limited by law.
>
>
> http://www.overdriveonline.com/new-electric-class-8-
> truck-1000-hp-1200-mile-range/
>
> With its electric drivetrain, Nikola One can apply power and
> braking to wheels 15 times faster than diesel-powered trucks and
> is 2,000 pounds lighter. Steering and handling is improved by a
> torque vectoring system that controls the speed of every wheel.
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting - truck weight

2016-12-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

Mitch wrote:



Payload capacity is everything in a semi tractor.



They're paying you to haul their freight, not your own vehicle
weight. If you're carrying a ton of fuel and two tons of
batteries, you're throwing away payload because total weight is
limited by law.


Yup.  That the reason for aluminum wheels the wide base tires
instead of duals.

Aluminum can save about 30 lb., which is over 500 lbs saving for a
tractor-trailer combination.  1/4 ton - but enough that most road
trucks bother.

A single wide base tire and wheel assembly weighs about 300 lbs
less than a typical dual wheel assembly resulting in about 2400 lb
savings for the whole combination.  Some drives say the wide base
ride better than duals.  The down-side to the wide base tires is
the lack of redundancy, considerable expense in retrofitting.

With any of these weight savings, it's the bulk hauling that makes
the best use because it's easy to add just a few more pounds.
With packaged freight, it's hard to add one more package to each
pallet after the loads been made up.

Even with the truck at less than weight capacity, fuel use goes
down as the weight goes down so even packaged freight can see some
savings from less weight even if revenue doesn't go up.

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I knew there was an oxide in the thermite reaction, couldn't remember which 
bit...
-Curt

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Aluminum powder (not oxide) with iron oxide added for body, in  
nitrocelluose lacquer.  Thermite with guncotton, so to speak.  Very,  
very, very flammable, and should never have been used without  
grounding all the linen panels together (they were sewn on with cotton  
thread, I think).

The Deutchland and Graf Zepplin, the two other dirigibles in  
transatlantic service at the time were hangered, stripped of their  
skin, and re-skinned before again carrying passengers.

The hydrogen was just added fuel.

Notably more than half the passengers simply walked off through the  
burning debris.

There are fragments of the covering around, and the History Detective  
(I think it was that show, something on PBS anyway) crew set one of  
them on fire with a Van De Graff generator spark. Burned like crazy.

The Nazi's figured out the problem within a day or two of the fire,  
duplicated the conditions and got burning skin, and re-skinned the  
other airships in a couple weeks.

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Aluminum powder (not oxide) with iron oxide added for body, in  
nitrocelluose lacquer.  Thermite with guncotton, so to speak.  Very,  
very, very flammable, and should never have been used without  
grounding all the linen panels together (they were sewn on with cotton  
thread, I think).


The Deutchland and Graf Zepplin, the two other dirigibles in  
transatlantic service at the time were hangered, stripped of their  
skin, and re-skinned before again carrying passengers.


The hydrogen was just added fuel.

Notably more than half the passengers simply walked off through the  
burning debris.


There are fragments of the covering around, and the History Detective  
(I think it was that show, something on PBS anyway) crew set one of  
them on fire with a Van De Graff generator spark. Burned like crazy.


The Nazi's figured out the problem within a day or two of the fire,  
duplicated the conditions and got burning skin, and re-skinned the  
other airships in a couple weeks.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Aluminum power is added to the dope to reflect ultra-violet, reducing the
deteriorating effect of UV exposure on the fabric. It adds many years to
the life of the fabric covering. The nitrate dope was very flammable.
Combine the two . . .

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> Wasn't the dope on the fabric aluminum oxide powder or some such? Somewhat
> like a termite reaction?
> -Curt
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>
> > Floyd wrote:
>
> > And Hindenberg
>
> The Hindenberg burned with a visible flame.  That is not
> hydrogen.  And hydrogen is _so_ light it is tricky to get it to
> stick around long enough to burn.
> My research suggests the dope on the fabric outside of the
> Hindenberg is the cause of the fire.  Seems it was effectively
> solid rocket fuel!
>
> Still a tragedy, but hydrogen is not to blame.
>
> Meanwhile, those light and tiny atoms are hard to store 'cause
> they leak out everywhere.
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Wasn't the dope on the fabric aluminum oxide powder or some such? Somewhat like 
a termite reaction?
-Curt

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> Floyd wrote:

> And Hindenberg

The Hindenberg burned with a visible flame.  That is not
hydrogen.  And hydrogen is _so_ light it is tricky to get it to
stick around long enough to burn.
My research suggests the dope on the fabric outside of the
Hindenberg is the cause of the fire.  Seems it was effectively
solid rocket fuel!

Still a tragedy, but hydrogen is not to blame.

Meanwhile, those light and tiny atoms are hard to store 'cause
they leak out everywhere.

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Methanol is dangerous for the same reason.


Craig via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 7:15 PM
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 19:08:40 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes

Yes, hydrogen burns with an invisible flame. That's why the folks at NASA
who were working with it had to have infrared cameras surveying the area
to alert them to the presence of flames.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Yep, you are right on!

BTW, WWI planes had the same problem and same reaction to heat/flame


fmiser via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 7:08 PM

Floyd wrote:



And Hindenberg


The Hindenberg burned with a visible flame.  That is not
hydrogen.  And hydrogen is _so_ light it is tricky to get it to
stick around long enough to burn.
My research suggests the dope on the fabric outside of the
Hindenberg is the cause of the fire.  Seems it was effectively
solid rocket fuel!

Still a tragedy, but hydrogen is not to blame.

Meanwhile, those light and tiny atoms are hard to store 'cause
they leak out everywhere.


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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
It was indeed the fabric, and the nitrocellulose/aluminum powder/iron  
oxide dope (thermite with a fuse, so to speak).   The Deutchland was  
immediately grounded and the entire covering removed and replaced  
before she flew again (on the South American route) for this very  
reason.


Needless to say, the Nazis didn't bother to tell anyone else what  
happened, mostly for liability reasons.  Painting an airship with  
something that can be ignited by a spark (or even a tear in the  
fabric) isn't too smart.


On top of the flammability, the individual panels of linen fabric were  
NOT grounded together with conductive thread, so the static discharge  
to the ground line caused a spark somewhere in the tail that ignited  
some of the linen panels.  Fire spread from the tail forward, as you  
can see from the films of the event.


Naturally, thermite (iron oxide and aluminum powder) burns HOT -- a  
family friend of ours worked for the railroad immediately before WWII  
and used it to weld railroad rails together.  Leaves molten iron as  
"ash".


History Detectives did a piece on this, if you ignore the theatrics  
it's quite interesting.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 19:08:40 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Floyd wrote:
> 
> > And Hindenberg
> 
> The Hindenberg burned with a visible flame.  That is not
> hydrogen.

Yes, hydrogen burns with an invisible flame. That's why the folks at NASA
who were working with it had to have infrared cameras surveying the area
to alert them to the presence of flames.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting, Hydrogen

2016-12-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

Floyd wrote:



And Hindenberg


The Hindenberg burned with a visible flame.  That is not
hydrogen.  And hydrogen is _so_ light it is tricky to get it to
stick around long enough to burn.
My research suggests the dope on the fabric outside of the
Hindenberg is the cause of the fire.  Seems it was effectively
solid rocket fuel!

Still a tragedy, but hydrogen is not to blame.

Meanwhile, those light and tiny atoms are hard to store 'cause
they leak out everywhere.

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:29:35 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> How 'bout the 6 big electric motors?  then the cables, controls, 
> computers, etc.  Granted, the Diesel engine and trans probably weigh a 
> ton, and the axles probably weigh a ton.
> 
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > December 2, 2016 at 5:11 PM
> > Payload capacity is everything in a semi tractor.
> > They're paying you to haul their freight, not your own vehicle weight.
> > If you're carrying a ton of fuel and two tons of batteries, you're 
> > throwing away
> > payload because total weight is limited by law.


http://www.overdriveonline.com/new-electric-class-8-truck-1000-hp-1200-mile-range/

With its electric drivetrain, Nikola One can apply power and
braking to wheels 15 times faster than diesel-powered trucks and
is 2,000 pounds lighter. Steering and handling is improved by a
torque vectoring system that controls the speed of every wheel.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
How 'bout the 6 big electric motors?  then the cables, controls, 
computers, etc.  Granted, the Diesel engine and trans probably weigh a 
ton, and the axles probably weigh a ton.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 5:11 PM
Payload capacity is everything in a semi tractor.
They're paying you to haul their freight, not your own vehicle weight.
If you're carrying a ton of fuel and two tons of batteries, you're 
throwing away

payload because total weight is limited by law.




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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Payload capacity is everything in a semi tractor.
They're paying you to haul their freight, not your own vehicle weight.  
If you're carrying a ton of fuel and two tons of batteries, you're throwing away
payload because total weight is limited by law. 

> On December 2, 2016 at 5:49 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It only takes a little electricity to make a little H2. 1000kg of H2 is a
> LOT...
> Curt

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
It only takes a little electricity to make a little H2. 1000kg of H2 is a LOT...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   It is amply available all over the 
Earph.  It only takes a little 
electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done that 
small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell them 
stop or else.  Jim was not intimidated.  Unfortunately the MIB paid 
off.  I have personally met and talked to 2 other people who were 
intimidated.

> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
> Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably and in
> enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
> molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
> a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> stays
> out Trumps bidness?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
We have CNG vehicles because natural gas is too hard to liquify, but this thing
will run on liquid hydrogen? 
Will it be continuously boiling off in a giant Dewar flask?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Mebbe they are gonna use an onboard generator to produce the go-gas.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM
These guys are apparently gonna put up sun catchers and make the basic 
matter of the universe from water or something.  I'm not sure of the 
whackonomics of that, and hauling H->2 around the country to truck 
stops, and putting in big Dewars everywhere the trucks might want to 
go.  I wonder if they will use the H->2 trucks to haul the H->2?  But 
I like their thinking.


And Hindenberg

--FT



Curley McLain 
December 2, 2016 at 2:25 PM
It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little 
electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done 
that small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell 
them stop or else.   Jim was not intimidated.  Unfortunately the MIB 
paid off.  I have personally met and talked to 2 other people who were 
intimidated.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably and in
enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> stays
out Trumps bidness?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Curley McLain 
December 2, 2016 at 1:34 PM
Jim Ettaro would be proud.  (RIP)  They may have silenced him, but 
they can't silence the economic viability of h 2 pow wer.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 1:05 PM
OT 
https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/electric-big-rig-startup-nikola-comes-up-with-a-surpris-1789586024 



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nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to 
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

H is not "explosive"  It does, however, burn rapidly.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 2:52 PM
This is the non--explosive isotope of H2, distilled in Norway from ultra
pure fjord waters.

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM
These guys are apparently gonna put up sun catchers and make the basic 
matter of the universe from water or something.  I'm not sure of the 
whackonomics of that, and hauling H->2 around the country to truck 
stops, and putting in big Dewars everywhere the trucks might want to 
go.  I wonder if they will use the H->2 trucks to haul the H->2?  But 
I like their thinking.


And Hindenberg

--FT



Curley McLain 
December 2, 2016 at 2:25 PM
It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little 
electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done 
that small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell 
them stop or else.   Jim was not intimidated.  Unfortunately the MIB 
paid off.  I have personally met and talked to 2 other people who were 
intimidated.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably and in
enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> stays
out Trumps bidness?

-
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Charleston SC

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Curley McLain 
December 2, 2016 at 1:34 PM
Jim Ettaro would be proud.  (RIP)  They may have silenced him, but 
they can't silence the economic viability of h 2 pow wer.





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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
This is the non--explosive isotope of H2, distilled in Norway from ultra
pure fjord waters.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> These guys are apparently gonna put up sun catchers and make the basic
> matter of the universe from water or something.  I'm not sure of the
> whackonomics of that, and hauling H->2 around the country to truck stops,
> and putting in big Dewars everywhere the trucks might want to go.  I wonder
> if they will use the H->2 trucks to haul the H->2?  But I like their
> thinking.
>
> And Hindenberg
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/2/16 3:25 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little
>> electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done that
>> small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell them stop
>> or else.   Jim was not intimidated. Unfortunately the MIB paid off.  I have
>> personally met and talked to 2 other people who were intimidated.
>>
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
>>> Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably and
>>> in
>>> enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
>>> molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
>>> a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> stays
>>> out Trumps bidness?
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
These guys are apparently gonna put up sun catchers and make the basic 
matter of the universe from water or something.  I'm not sure of the 
whackonomics of that, and hauling H->2 around the country to truck 
stops, and putting in big Dewars everywhere the trucks might want to 
go.  I wonder if they will use the H->2 trucks to haul the H->2?  But I 
like their thinking.


And Hindenberg

--FT

On 12/2/16 3:25 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little 
electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done 
that small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell 
them stop or else.   Jim was not intimidated. Unfortunately the MIB 
paid off.  I have personally met and talked to 2 other people who were 
intimidated.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably 
and in

enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> 
stays

out Trumps bidness?

-
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Charleston SC


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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little 
electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done that 
small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell them 
stop or else.   Jim was not intimidated.  Unfortunately the MIB paid 
off.  I have personally met and talked to 2 other people who were 
intimidated.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably and in
enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> stays
out Trumps bidness?

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Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably and in
enough quantity to make it work?  Frack on federal land, break the H2
molecules off the natural gas?  Imported from China?  George Soros has cut
a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> stays
out Trumps bidness?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jim Ettaro would be proud.  (RIP)  They may have silenced him, but they
> can't silence the economic viability of h 2 pow wer.
>
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2016 at 1:05 PM
>>
>> OT https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/electric-big-rig-startup-niko
>> la-comes-up-with-a-surpris-1789586024
>>
>> -- --FT
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Jim Ettaro would be proud.  (RIP)  They may have silenced him, but they 
can't silence the economic viability of h 2 pow wer.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 1:05 PM
OT 
https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/electric-big-rig-startup-nikola-comes-up-with-a-surpris-1789586024 



-- --FT

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nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to 
convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield 
to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”


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[MBZ] This is interesting

2016-12-02 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
OT 
https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/electric-big-rig-startup-nikola-comes-up-with-a-surpris-1789586024


-- --FT

Winston Churchill: “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in 
nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to 
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-04 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Yes
-- 
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 9:32:50 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Aren't there E class diesels?
>
>On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I noticed the SLS reservoir.  I thought that was interesting.  I
>wonder if
>> it’s all four wheels or just the back?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like it has ASD, or SLS (or both).  I wonder if it was
>> "federalized" when imported?
>> > --
>> > Max Dillon
>> > Charleston SC
>> > '87 300TD
>> > '95 E300
>> >
>> > On October 3, 2016 5:45:46 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-
>> giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577
>> >>
>> >> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

You could ask Dave M what was available for SLS.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 8:30 PM
I noticed the SLS reservoir. I thought that was interesting. I wonder 
if it’s all four wheels or just the back?


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Aren't there E class diesels?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I noticed the SLS reservoir.  I thought that was interesting.  I wonder if
> it’s all four wheels or just the back?
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like it has ASD, or SLS (or both).  I wonder if it was
> "federalized" when imported?
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> > On October 3, 2016 5:45:46 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I noticed the SLS reservoir.  I thought that was interesting.  I wonder if it’s 
all four wheels or just the back?

Dan


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> Looks like it has ASD, or SLS (or both).  I wonder if it was "federalized" 
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Looks like it has ASD, or SLS (or both).  I wonder if it was "federalized" when 
imported?
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
It is an M104.  What do you think it burns?  Car is listed as an E320.  
That is a clue.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 5:22 PM
Diesel or gas?

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 5:18 PM
IS that some kind of pumped-up euro mkt engine or the standard fitting 
to the car?  Is the US version 24 valve?


--FT




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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Diesel or gas?

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> IS that some kind of pumped-up euro mkt engine or the standard fitting to
> the car?  Is the US version 24 valve?
>
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>> Nice! No ACC!  That is a HUGE plus!   Sportline a Plus.  Vergasser: a
>> Huge negative  cancels out the plusses.
>>
>> If anyone wants a vergasser, this looks like a candidate.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-03 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
IS that some kind of pumped-up euro mkt engine or the standard fitting 
to the car?  Is the US version 24 valve?


--FT


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Nice! No ACC!  That is a HUGE plus!   Sportline a Plus.  
Vergasser: a Huge negative  cancels out the plusses.


If anyone wants a vergasser, this looks like a candidate.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

2016-10-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Nice!  No ACC!  That is a HUGE plus!   Sportline a Plus.  Vergasser: 
a Huge negative  cancels out the plusses.


If anyone wants a vergasser, this looks like a candidate.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 4:45 PM
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577

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