Re: [MBZ] 190 gears
On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 07:22:08PM -0700, Jim Cathey wrote: > > tried to really pay attention today, at 55mph in 4th I'm at about > > 2600-2700. > > I tried today, and at 55 in 4th I'm right about 2500. 60 mph was about > 2650. > Of course, speedos and tachos do vary. On the way home it was more like > 52 mph at 2500 rpm, go figure. > > In the Frankenheap (200D 115) I'm running around town in 4th all the > time. > In the 190D, make that third. More or less the same ground speed. In > fact, the 200D lugs down to about 25 mph in fourth before you _have_ to > shift, of course you should have long before that. My memories of my 5 speed 190D are a bit distant, but fourth at 55 didn't seem all that outlandish. The 60x are a seemingly less torquey, higher revving (but more efficient) version of the 61x. I put up with it, and enjoyed the 40+mpg doing 80 in fifth, knowing that unlike in a honda, I'd most likely survive a wreck. If it was me, I'd either speed up, or not worry about it. 61x's likely had longer strokes meaning more low end torque, but lacking Marshall, who knows. K
Re: [MBZ] 190 gears
tried to really pay attention today, at 55mph in 4th I'm at about 2600-2700. I tried today, and at 55 in 4th I'm right about 2500. 60 mph was about 2650. Of course, speedos and tachos do vary. On the way home it was more like 52 mph at 2500 rpm, go figure. In the Frankenheap (200D 115) I'm running around town in 4th all the time. In the 190D, make that third. More or less the same ground speed. In fact, the 200D lugs down to about 25 mph in fourth before you _have_ to shift, of course you should have long before that. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 190 gears
I tried to really pay attention today, at 55mph in 4th I'm at about 2600-2700. As Mitch said 5th is of no use at that speed unless you're going downhill with a tailwind. 70mph in 5th is about 3000. The engine does seem happiest around 2500-3000. No low end grunt at all, I usually wind it out a bit as I ease the clutch out to get moving. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:07:54 -0400 From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190 gears To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jim Cathey wrote: > Below about 1500 RPM the car's a pig, and gets very buzzy. I'm guessing that the timer is not in action at that speed. Most of the timers seem to hit full advance somewhere around 2000 rpm, I wouldn't want to cruise below 2200. - All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 24 14:19:24 2006 Received: from fed1rmmtao05.cox.net ([68.230.241.34]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcN7j-0008S4-Li for [email protected]; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:19:24 + Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:19:18 -0400 Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id eEK11V00c1raWR8000 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:19:02 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:19:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK X-BeenThere: [email protected] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:19:24 - Have a ball, Jeff. Think of us poor tied-down-with-families-and-mindnumbing-obligations fellers frequently. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: "Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Zedic bound for the UK > I'll probably start out in the slums of Shepperton or Egham just outside > of town but still easily accessible. I've about had enough of big city > life for now but perhaps not having so much "stuff" will change my mind > on that. Have a girlfriend in East Acton that may work into something > more permanent. (Met her in Venice recently) > > As for work, I'll be ok for a decade or two moneywise but might continue > being an entertainer over there...just with a different style of show. > > If things go to hell, I'll ship myself to France or French Africa. Love > it!! > > Looking forward to having Paris 90 minutes away for those weekends with > nothing to do!! > > Jeff Zedic > Toronto/London/Belfast > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >
Re: [MBZ] 190 gears
Jim Cathey wrote: > Below about 1500 RPM the car's a pig, and gets very buzzy. I'm guessing that the timer is not in action at that speed. Most of the timers seem to hit full advance somewhere around 2000 rpm, I wouldn't want to cruise below 2200.
Re: [MBZ] 190 gears
I'm not entirely sure what's on the parts car (the parts car is a 2.3, isn't it?) but I think the 2.5 auto came with a 3.07, same as my 300SD. Does your It's a 1984 190D 2.2, formerly with stickshift. The driver (and its differential) is a 1986 190D 2.5, formerly with an automatic. car do about 2000-2100 at 60 in 5th? Seems like 5th would be a nice gear at 70-80 mph, but not useable at 55. Your donor car might have a 3.27 in it. The car just doesn't feel quite right in the gearing department. I think a slightly shorter rear end ratio might do it some good. IIRC, 70MPH in fifth is around 2800-2900 RPM. (I rarely get it up that far, in part because the out-of-balance tires get un-fun up there.) Below about 1500 RPM the car's a pig, and gets very buzzy. Yes, it has brand new motor and transmission mounts. Supposedly sized (sez Rusty) for the 2.5l with manual, and different than what either car used before. The car's also much too easy to get into a forward-backward throttle oscillation if you blow a shift. I'm not really enjoying it yet, except for the (great) mileage. Here's a Marshall quote for you: The 717.411 (GL 68/20 B-5) transmission used in the 190E has slightly different gearing than the 717.410 (GL 68/20 A-5) used in the 190D (3.91, 2.32, 1.42, 1.00, 0.78 for the 717.411 vs 4.23, 2.36, 1.49, 1.00, 0.84 for the 717.410). The 717.410 is PERFECT for the 190D 2.2 in MY opinion (less ideal for the 190D 2.0 however) and the 717.411 would not be as nice. Well, here's another one: The manual 201.029 (190E 2.6 manual, US version) had a 3.27 rear (at least in the late '80s - I don't have data on '90s 201s). Other 201s with manual 5 speed transmissions had 3.07, 3.23 and 3.42 rears. All of these cars (unlike the 190E-16V with 1.00:1 5ths) had 5th gear ratios of between 0.84:1 and 0.78:1. I'm guessing that 3.42 ratio was either in the 2.2 diesel or 2.3 gasser. More info, dunno quite what to make of it. -- Jim
