Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
Me thinks it will be cheaper / faster to repair the auto car and get it on the road, compared to any transmission swap. What's the deal with the other - is that the car that needs a new differential? Didn't you get this auto car for its diff? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:20 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update My 2 190Ds have been at my Indy's for a couple days now. Today he gave me a call, turns out the timing chain doesn't appear to be broken on the parts car. He says it looks like the belt tensioner broke the timing chain case. Of course that covered the front of the engine with nasty diesel oil... He's going to pull it apart a little and diagnose a little more but its looking like for a couple hundred bucks I'll have a running '84 190D 2.2l auto... I hate auto trans but hesitate to have him put the manual trans in it now. I'm thinking to run the auto car for a couple months while I find a nice manual to replace it... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
Curt- Wonder what that might say about the diagnostic skills of the Indy here who diagnosed it as a thrown chain? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:20 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update My 2 190Ds have been at my Indy's for a couple days now. Today he gave me a call, turns out the timing chain doesn't appear to be broken on the parts car. He says it looks like the belt tensioner broke the timing chain case. Of course that covered the front of the engine with nasty diesel oil... He's going to pull it apart a little and diagnose a little more but its looking like for a couple hundred bucks I'll have a running '84 190D 2.2l auto... I hate auto trans but hesitate to have him put the manual trans in it now. I'm thinking to run the auto car for a couple months while I find a nice manual to replace it... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
Thats right... It needs other things too, couple rear suspension links, its got some rust, needs 3 window motors etc... Sounds like the auto car is going to be a reasonable fix. I dunno if I'll part the other one or what... -Curt Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:28:20 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Me thinks it will be cheaper / faster to repair the auto car and get it on the road, compared to any transmission swap. What's the deal with the other - is that the car that needs a new differential? Didn't you get this auto car for its diff? -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Curt- Wonder what that might say about the diagnostic skills of the Indy here who diagnosed it as a thrown chain? Did he see the car or diagnose it over the phone? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
No he looked at it-but didn't tear it apart. He works some on MB diesels and said by looks of it he thought that the bottom end probably had damage too-I asked him about just changing chain and fixing/replacing head. He felt it was too far gone to charge the seller-his customer to tear it down. We got the car from the Indy's lot. He has done some work for me in the past and I know of a 123 300D that he serviced for years. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Curt- Wonder what that might say about the diagnostic skills of the Indy here who diagnosed it as a thrown chain? Did he see the car or diagnose it over the phone? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
So on this particular car, the theory is that it made terrible noises, oil spewing from the front, alternator and other lights came on and the steering got heavy, but he (or she?) really decided the car was dead when it started to overheat? And all this due to a neglected belt tensioner which finally tore out of the front engine cover? I once found a really beat 190D apparently abandoned in a parking lot with a pool of oil under the engine, I wonder now if it suffered the same fate? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:23 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update No he looked at it-but didn't tear it apart. He works some on MB diesels and said by looks of it he thought that the bottom end probably had damage too-I asked him about just changing chain and fixing/replacing head. He felt it was too far gone to charge the seller-his customer to tear it down. We got the car from the Indy's lot. He has done some work for me in the past and I know of a 123 300D that he serviced for years. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Curt- Wonder what that might say about the diagnostic skills of the Indy here who diagnosed it as a thrown chain? Did he see the car or diagnose it over the phone? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
We... I think what happened is Craig opened the hood, saw a hole in the front of the engine and made a leap... I did the same thing. It never occured to me to maybe bar the engine over. -Curt Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:57:39 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update Message-ID: 002b01caa9a8$fcbc5000$f634f0...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt- Wonder what that might say about the diagnostic skills of the Indy here who diagnosed it as a thrown chain? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:20 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update My 2 190Ds have been at my Indy's for a couple days now. Today he gave me a call, turns out the timing chain doesn't appear to be broken on the parts car. He says it looks like the belt tensioner broke the timing chain case. Of course that covered the front of the engine with nasty diesel oil... He's going to pull it apart a little and diagnose a little more but its looking like for a couple hundred bucks I'll have a running '84 190D 2.2l auto... I hate auto trans but hesitate to have him put the manual trans in it now. I'm thinking to run the auto car for a couple months while I find a nice manual to replace it... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
We picked it up at his shop.. -Curt Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:49:02 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update Message-ID: 4b71a00e.1030...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Curt- Wonder what that might say about the diagnostic skills of the Indy here who diagnosed it as a thrown chain? Did he see the car or diagnose it over the phone? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
It is so easy to jump to conclusions. Most of us have been there and done that in one manner or another. I know I am guilty of assuming things that I should be smart enough to check out first. An Example if you will. A couple of years back (or somewhere thereabouts) my big air compressor in the garage started making knocking noises. I assumed the worst since it is old, old (de Vilbiss (sp?) of 1947 vintage). I had changed the tank due to concerns about the big ka-boom! that might take me and the garage out, but the head and motor were still original. I cleaned up the exterior of the head and painted it when I swapped tanks but I don't think parts are available so I did not open the case to have a look. A year or two later, the thing started to make a bit of a knocking noise - not terrible but enough to cause me concern that it was on its last legs. I bought a new compressor. I thought about replacing the head only but my nephew got me a good deal on a unit with the vertical tank so I went for it. I later bought a new head similar to the one on the new compressor and hauled it and the old compressor out to the cottage with the thought that I could use it there and my younger son who is becoming an auto mechanic might one day like to have it. It sat there over the winter and then last summer, I got around to removing the old head so that I could check the new head to see if the holes would line up for mounting etc. I then discovered the source of the knock. The big pulley on the head was a bit loose. It has a bolt through the side of the hub that one tightens to squeeze the pulley onto the shaft. The bolt needs to be a bit tighter. So, I spent (even though I got a really good deal on the new compressor and the new head) about $1,100 for something I did not really need. The old compressor was fine and doing the job. By the time that I learned of my mistake, I had had both the compressor and the head for so long that I could not in good conscience try to return either. I had destroyed and tossed the crating too. I know I cannot likely sell either for any sort of profit or probably even a break even situation so, I now have 2 big compressors and a spare head that will work on either. Not really a bad sitation all things considered but I might have chosen another purpose for that money given the opportunity. I have to say I am relatively happy that the old head is sitll usable. I debated about putting the new head on the one at the lake but think I might as well put the old one back and let the new one wait. I have another comment I want to make on that subject too, but this is getting long so will do that in a separate post. Randy who jumped to a conclusion -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:58 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update Curt- Wonder what that might say about the diagnostic skills of the Indy here who diagnosed it as a thrown chain? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:20 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update My 2 190Ds have been at my Indy's for a couple days now. Today he gave me a call, turns out the timing chain doesn't appear to be broken on the parts car. He says it looks like the belt tensioner broke the timing chain case. Of course that covered the front of the engine with nasty diesel oil... He's going to pull it apart a little and diagnose a little more but its looking like for a couple hundred bucks I'll have a running '84 190D 2.2l auto... I hate auto trans but hesitate to have him put the manual trans in it now. I'm thinking to run the auto car for a couple months while I find a nice manual to replace it... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
Well my $0.02 is that if it runs drive it for a couple months-, it seems to be a fairly solid car. I have come to like automatics in my driving-I'd say try it-can't be as bad as a 240D automatic can it? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:22 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update We... I think what happened is Craig opened the hood, saw a hole in the front of the engine and made a leap... I did the same thing. It never occured to me to maybe bar the engine over. -Curt Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:57:39 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update Message-ID: 002b01caa9a8$fcbc5000$f634f0...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt- Wonder what that might say about the diagnostic skills of the Indy here who diagnosed it as a thrown chain? Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:20 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update My 2 190Ds have been at my Indy's for a couple days now. Today he gave me a call, turns out the timing chain doesn't appear to be broken on the parts car. He says it looks like the belt tensioner broke the timing chain case. Of course that covered the front of the engine with nasty diesel oil... He's going to pull it apart a little and diagnose a little more but its looking like for a couple hundred bucks I'll have a running '84 190D 2.2l auto... I hate auto trans but hesitate to have him put the manual trans in it now. I'm thinking to run the auto car for a couple months while I find a nice manual to replace it... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update
Yeah thats the plan. Angie and I will trade it and the 240D back and forth. I plan to continue to slam the miles on the 240D since although it burns more fuel its been super cheap to own. If I'm faced with a big repair on it I'll send it to the junker and drive the 190D full time while looking for a new toy car. I bought the 240D with the plan of learning how to work on cars. Now I know how to do brakes, exhaust, upper control arms, water pump, alternator belt, LED dash lights, steering wheel removal, ODO fix and improved my welding. Not bad for the maybe $1600 I've got in it total for price and parts and in the meantime I've put around 14,000 miles on it. -Curt Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:45:30 -0500 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D Parts car update Message-ID: 000e01caa9f2$baa166c0$2fe434...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Well my $0.02 is that if it runs drive it for a couple months-, it seems to be a fairly solid car. I have come to like automatics in my driving-I'd say try it-can't be as bad as a 240D automatic can it? Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
