Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I always try to take a copy of the CL ad with me. If there is a serious disconnect between it and the actual car, I ask the seller to read it to me and point out the attributes they describe in the ad. In this case the seller said the car had been garaged all of its life. The roof paint was

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-23 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I always try to take a copy of the CL ad with me. If there is a serious disconnect between it and the actual car, I ask the seller to read it to me and point out the attributes they describe in the ad. I once drove 50 miles one way to pick up an old Filter

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Thanks, I'll look for that one. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HF has a Cis kit also, it's the $100 One Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Thanks, Peter. What about the O-ring on the fuel pressure regulator in the side of the fuel distributor? My research shows that it can also be an issue, especially in cars where the fuel system has been crudded up. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Peter Frederick via

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
No EHA on this car. It predates them. Just barely. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Fellow MB 126 gasser guy says when they sit it's the fuel distributor with EHA that goes bad. Was bad on my neighbor's 560SEL. Can test flow.

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: When I started having trouble with the '78 450SLC running right, I bought a CIS testing kit from JC Whittney, I don't remember that it was very expensive at the time. It had the proper fittings to connect to the steel lines. You have to connect in a couple of places to

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Is there a ball in the regulator? If memory serves me correctly, I know there is a plunger with an O-ring and some shims. I just want to be prepared in the event that decide to pop it out to have a look Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I think they call it the master kit. It does Cis although I have not used it on Cis yet. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look for that one. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Found it. Currently on sale for $89.00. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I think they call it the master kit. It does Cis although I have not used it on Cis yet. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:00 AM,

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Find a 20% off coupon online to save more Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found it. Currently on sale for $89.00. Thanks! Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎http://www.dealsoff.com/images/harbor-freight-coupons-0913.png Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.   Original Message   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:55 AM To: Mercedes List Reply To: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!! Found it. Currently

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
I always connected a CIS gauge in line with the warm up regulator. See the work instruction here: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11883/PROGRAM/Engine/107/M116_38/07.3-120.pdf In checking the car for possible purchase, I'd check movement of the air flow regulating plate on the fuel

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Just got done looking at it. Beater. Damn CL sellers. D On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I always connected a CIS gauge in line with the warm up regulator. See the work instruction here:

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Just got home. Long story short, this car was not as described. The paint was thrashed, for one. There is no doubt in my mind that the fuel system was clogged up. The engine would idle but not carry load. You could press your foot to the floor and it might go to 3000 rpm, but shortly after

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-22 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!! Just got home. Long story short, this car was not as described. The paint was thrashed, for one. There is no doubt in my mind that the fuel system was clogged up. The engine would idle but not carry load. You could press

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Maybe the hose is all buggered and is collapsing when fuel is pumped through it (here I am assuming the pump is sucking it from the tank) or has crap in it from sitting so long. The filter aspect would also be a good place to start. How hard would it be to get a mity-vac on a fuel line and

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 21/07/2014 5:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Maybe the hose is all buggered and is collapsing when fuel is pumped through it (here I am assuming the pump is sucking it from the tank) or has crap in it from sitting so long. The filter aspect would also be a good place to start. How

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
One other thought -- a jug of gas with a hose in it, pump some fuel from there? Here again I am assuming the fuel pump sucks the gas and is somewhere near the engine. Take your fire extinguisher. -R On 7/21/14 6:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Maybe the hose is all buggered and is

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
He's asking $1200, but he's already inferred that he would take less. As I mentioned before, it's an older guy with time on his hands and he sounds like he got it from a neighbor who no longer drives for little or nothing. He's been tinkering with it in his shop for a couple of months (he

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Fellow MB 126 gasser guy says when they sit it's the fuel distributor with EHA that goes bad. Was bad on my neighbor's 560SEL. Can test flow. Anyway just another scientific wild a. guess to add to others. On Jul 21, 2014 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Finally

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Any simple tests I can perform to determine if this is the case? On the BW W126 forum a number of people have said that when they sit the tank gets crudded up with particulates smaller than what the stock filter can catch, and that ends up int eh fuel distributor among other places, causing

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Also, would this car have an overvoltage protection relay? I know later model CIS models did, not sure about this vintage. Dan On Jul 21, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any simple tests I can perform to determine if this is the case? On the BW W126

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
Any rust? - as you know, that's your biggest enemy. Of course the price of old mb parts is no walk in the park either... LarryT On 7/21/2014 6:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: He's asking $1200, but he's already inferred that he would take less. As I mentioned before, it's an

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
When I started having trouble with the '78 450SLC running right, I bought a CIS testing kit from JC Whittney, I don't remember that it was very expensive at the time. It had the proper fittings to connect to the steel lines. You have to connect in a couple of places to test the system properly,

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The leaking points are: fuel distributor to throttle body boot (buried on that car, you have to remove the manifold I think, but you have to anyway, see point #2) seals between intake manifold halves (this is an issue for all the V8s of that design type) Idle control valve hoses

Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!

2014-07-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
HF has a Cis kit also, it's the $100 One Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 10:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When I started having trouble with the '78 450SLC running right, I bought a CIS testing kit from JC Whittney, I don't remember that it was very